[Atlanta Man]

^^^ He did better than pornstars, truth be told pornstars are not that attractive most of the time (6s and 7s with a lot of make up)-he had sex with the most beautiful women in the world, and got rich selling their images. He did this at a time when print publications were still a viable way to make a profit, that time has passed. Samseau , I respect you to much to insult you , or belittle you-We just disagree about this issue. I am a pornography aficionado and you are an intellectual pursuit type of guy, you are likely more well read than I am and and would rather contemplate existence than look at pictures of hot teen ass, I respect that. I just really like pictures of hot college ass, to each his own.

[Huey]

HUGH HEFNER’S 31-YEAR-OLD WIFE WON’T INHERIT ANYTHING AFTER DEATH BECAUSE OF WATERTIGHT PRE-NUP

Quote:

Hugh Hefner’s wife reportedly won’t get a penny after it was announced that the Playboy editor died this morning, aged 91.

Crystal Harris, 31, married Hefner in 2012 in a New Year’s Eve ceremony that took place at the infamous Playboy mansion.

Harris is reported to have signed an “ironclad” prenuptial contract, which prohibits her from inheriting any of Hefner’s $43m (£32m) fortune, a source revealed to Us Weekly shortly after the couple tied the knot.


Instead, the original Playboy’s assets will be split between his four adult children, the University of Southern California film school, and several charities.

The two were originally set to marry in June 2011, however, five days before the ceremony was due to take place, Harris called it off.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...71876.html



Heff still running game even in heaven.

[AneroidOcean]

(09-29-2017 08:23 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:17 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Wildly broad comparisons like this are beneath you. Try taking a few deep breaths.

Did you ever buy a woman a drink with the intention of fucking her later?

Well you paid for sex. She's a whore and you're a John.

"Because I don't see a difference between..."

The difference is that no contract is signed, no agreement upon sex is made, and no future promises of payments are made on my part either. Massive differences to overlook, but the male hamster of whoremongers is quite vigorous.

[Captainstabbin]

Hef's biggest business mistake was letting his ego get in the way during the hardcore drug years. Firing Victor Lownes and losing the casino business was a massive, and completely avoidable, disaster. Hef should have been up there with Steve Wynn.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(09-29-2017 08:41 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:28 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:22 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:36 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I saw that the thread had reached a fourth page and I figured it'd become a dumping ground for bunny pics.

There is still time!! We can rebuild it!!!

No need.
If you're keen make a thread for old school vintage (pre internet) NSFW pictures.

This discussion is about Hefner himself.

Nah I was being facetious.

Plus girls dressed up as bunnies doesn't do anything for me anymore unless they have easter eggs shoved up their asses.

Here you go!

NSFW!!!! NSFW!!!!!

[Bluto]

(09-29-2017 08:23 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:17 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 07:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

...

(09-29-2017 03:36 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's surprising that Hefner is turning out to be such a divisive character for the forum. I saw that the thread had reached a fourth page and I figured it'd become a dumping ground for bunny pics.

I guess it's dredging up the divider between the save-the-west crowd and the enjoy-the-decline crowd.

I know fuck all about Hef. Whether he had game is a matter of contention but it's hard to argue that he was a bad businessman and considering all the top grade snatch his organisation put on his dick it's difficult to hang shit on him without sounding like a hater.

I love my wife and my family, but if things had gone differently and I were in his shoes at a similar age I would find it hard to take the haters seriously. How many of the save-the-west crowd have kids? How many have a wife? How many are even seriously looking? How many are committed to strict monogamy, even when their spouse it 40+ with wrinkles and stretchmarks?

And of that slim minority here on the forum, how many think that getting on the 'Hef-is-the-devil' soap-box on a PUA forum doesn't fall barely shy of pointless shit-stirring?

He was a wildly successful businessman.
His notch count was off the charts.
His bloodline carries on.

Hard to hate on Hef IMO.

By the logic of the above statements, we should admire porn site operators.

Why don't you guys run us your datasheets on SeekingArrangement, or how to build a porn site? Or tell us about the best brothels with the best talent? Because I don't see a difference between any of these activities and what Hugh did.

Wildly broad comparisons like this are beneath you. Try taking a few deep breaths.

Did you ever buy a woman a drink with the intention of fucking her later?

Well you paid for sex. She's a whore and you're a John.

"Because I don't see a difference between..."

The difference is that no contract is signed, no agreement upon sex is made, and no future promises of payments are made on my part either. Massive differences to overlook, but the male hamster of whoremongers is quite vigorous.

Last time that I checked, when you get married you get a marriage license, that works in essence as a contract. A marriage is consummated, or validated, only when you have sex for the first time. According to the divorce laws being so open ended and allowing for no fault, half of your current assets and an arbitrary amount of your future earnings are subject to transfer to your spouse. Likewise estate laws are significantly generous to a spouse rather than a descendant. Unfortunately I would have to technically disagree with you. Generally I would agree that there is a lot of quid-pro-quo that goes with a marriage that we used to have that made it significantly more than just transactional sex. Sadly that quid-pro-quo is eroding every year it seems.

I would agree that the trick is to find a proper spouse these days, and good luck finding one. Likewise being on the same page with your spouse on your life goals is another condition that easier said than done. And of course good LTR game is paramount.

For the OP: I tend to think that Hefner was a canny business man who was able to capitalize on what was at the time, subversive material that he published in his magazine. I also concur that he did contribute to the cultural rot that the west is experiencing these days, as said before extensively by other members, to include Samseau. You can see the cultural rot in that it became so mainstream that Playboy is tame, and really does not need the plastic cover that it comes in. I am not depressed about this, but it is something that I did take notice on. It is a sign of the times for me in that my father was a subscriber, and I am not. I would rather read the game forum that Playboy these days.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(09-29-2017 12:04 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Oddly enough I never once owned a Playboy magazine.

I was trail blazing on the internet and having .jpegs and short shitty quality porn clips on 56K modem load up.

Closest I ever got to Playboy was an ex girlfriends best friend - she was a centerfold a few years back.

I brought in one of my best friends on a double date - and he ended up banging her a few times.

Needless to say, I was a bit jealous, and my ex was a bit jealous I ended up seeing her best friend naked

Fun fact, that centerfold hits up my best friend from time to time still, he's married now and had to block her.

Couldn't help but think of this song even if it's not 100% relevant.

Not terribly surprising that the centerfold is now single and desperately hitting up former flings for some affection. It's one reason I'm not super-upset that Hefner is gone from this world. That lifestyle isn't as much fun as it looks.

[debeguiled]

(09-29-2017 07:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 08:17 PM)Repo Wrote:  

If Hugh pays the girls with the money that he makes off them, does it count as paying them?

Yes, moreover, a pimp is by definition a whoremonger.

Belongs in the Grammar Nazi thread.

You don't answer rhetorical questions.

[Vicious]

RIP Hef.

The man that says he wouldn't have lived his life is not a man.

He is soy.

[Bluto]

(09-29-2017 02:38 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:41 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:28 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:22 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:36 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I saw that the thread had reached a fourth page and I figured it'd become a dumping ground for bunny pics.

There is still time!! We can rebuild it!!!

No need.
If you're keen make a thread for old school vintage (pre internet) NSFW pictures.

This discussion is about Hefner himself.

Nah I was being facetious.

Plus girls dressed up as bunnies doesn't do anything for me anymore unless they have easter eggs shoved up their asses.

Here you go!

NSFW!!!! NSFW!!!!!

Leave it to Pornhub to come through.

[Sherman]

Some Hugh Hefner quotes to ponder:

If you let society and your peers define who you are, you're the less for it.

Life is too short to be living somebody else's dream.

Living in the moment, thinking about the future, and staying connected to the past: That's what makes me feel whole.

My best pick-up line is "My name is Hugh Hefner.

Surrounding myself with beautiful women keeps me young.

Playboy was founded on the notion that nice girls like sex too.

Part of the sexual revolution is bringing rationality to sexuality - because when you don't embrace sexuality in a normal way, you get the twisted kinds, and the kinds that destroy lives.

The major civilizing force in the world is not religion, it is sex.

"Playboy exploits sex the way Sports Illustrated exploits sports.”

“The notion of the single man began in the 1950's. The idea of the bachelor as a separate life was new and obscure.”

“Because of the nature of my life, it's difficult for people to recognize that a person can live a full life, and maybe an unorthodox life, and still be on the side of the angels.”

I urge one and all to live this life as if there is no reward in the afterlife and to do it in a moral way that makes it better for you and for those around you, and that leaves this world a little better place than when you found it.

[Matsufubu]

Well if anything he kept in the public eye that many women will be part of the harem of an 'alpha' man rather than settle with beta monogamy. He could have called the magazine 'Look what I'm tapping!"

I'm not going to hate on the guy too much because I know so little about him, but if the stories of gay porn are true then it just shows the degradation of the soul that decades of hedonism and meaningless sex bring to a man. Pleasure is not happiness.

I just hope his kids were brought up right and are decent people - that's the real legacy he's left. The name 'Playboy' will be remembered, much like 'Punch', but future generations won't remember why, or care why they don't.

[Samseau]

(09-29-2017 02:49 PM)Bluto Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:23 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 08:17 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 07:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

...

(09-29-2017 03:36 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's surprising that Hefner is turning out to be such a divisive character for the forum. I saw that the thread had reached a fourth page and I figured it'd become a dumping ground for bunny pics.

I guess it's dredging up the divider between the save-the-west crowd and the enjoy-the-decline crowd.

I know fuck all about Hef. Whether he had game is a matter of contention but it's hard to argue that he was a bad businessman and considering all the top grade snatch his organisation put on his dick it's difficult to hang shit on him without sounding like a hater.

I love my wife and my family, but if things had gone differently and I were in his shoes at a similar age I would find it hard to take the haters seriously. How many of the save-the-west crowd have kids? How many have a wife? How many are even seriously looking? How many are committed to strict monogamy, even when their spouse it 40+ with wrinkles and stretchmarks?

And of that slim minority here on the forum, how many think that getting on the 'Hef-is-the-devil' soap-box on a PUA forum doesn't fall barely shy of pointless shit-stirring?

He was a wildly successful businessman.
His notch count was off the charts.
His bloodline carries on.

Hard to hate on Hef IMO.

By the logic of the above statements, we should admire porn site operators.

Why don't you guys run us your datasheets on SeekingArrangement, or how to build a porn site? Or tell us about the best brothels with the best talent? Because I don't see a difference between any of these activities and what Hugh did.

Wildly broad comparisons like this are beneath you. Try taking a few deep breaths.

Did you ever buy a woman a drink with the intention of fucking her later?

Well you paid for sex. She's a whore and you're a John.

"Because I don't see a difference between..."

The difference is that no contract is signed, no agreement upon sex is made, and no future promises of payments are made on my part either. Massive differences to overlook, but the male hamster of whoremongers is quite vigorous.

Last time that I checked, when you get married you get a marriage license, that works in essence as a contract. A marriage is consummated, or validated, only when you have sex for the first time. According to the divorce laws being so open ended and allowing for no fault, half of your current assets and an arbitrary amount of your future earnings are subject to transfer to your spouse. Likewise estate laws are significantly generous to a spouse rather than a descendant. Unfortunately I would have to technically disagree with you. Generally I would agree that there is a lot of quid-pro-quo that goes with a marriage that we used to have that made it significantly more than just transactional sex. Sadly that quid-pro-quo is eroding every year it seems.

Answered this last post last page:

Quote:

Obviously dishonest question that ignores the fact of only being married to one person at a time with many obligations upon both parties. With whores, the only obligation is money for sex, but with wives, the obligations are for love (loyalty, sacrifice, and sex), care (spiritually, intellectually, and emotionally), and money. That because money is common to both renders both equal is a reductionist absurdity.

Moreover, the woman in marriage is not entitled to any certain payments like a whore negotiates for. A woman in marriage gets whatever the man earns; if he does not have large income she is not entitled to find a new man to negotiate for better. Likewise the man is not entitled to negotiate for younger, hotter, and tighter wife. (of course, our marriage laws are broken piles of trash that give no one any rights, but that is another subject for another thread)

It's really easy to refute these arguments because I've seen whoremongers make the same bankrupt arguments for over 10 years on the internet. I've refuted them 100 times and I'm sure I'll have to refute them 1000 more times before I die.

[Samseau]

(09-29-2017 01:12 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

^^^ He did better than pornstars, truth be told pornstars are not that attractive most of the time (6s and 7s with a lot of make up)-he had sex with the most beautiful women in the world, and got rich selling their images. He did this at a time when print publications were still a viable way to make a profit, that time has passed. Samseau , I respect you to much to insult you , or belittle you-We just disagree about this issue. I am a pornography aficionado and you are an intellectual pursuit type of guy, you are likely more well read than I am and and would rather contemplate existence than look at pictures of hot teen ass, I respect that. I just really like pictures of hot college ass, to each his own.

Just because Hugh found the finest whores does not make them any difference in essence from any "porn" star. Hugh brought glamor to the whore lifestyle and what we see today with the explosion of "porn," aka whore film production, is nothing more than the fruits of his efforts. Just lots and lots of fucked up women.

You may think that hot teen ass feels good to look at, but you're poisoning your soul. I encourage all men to stay far away from whores.

[YoungBlade]

^
Aren't you the guy who tried to justify biblical extramarital sex with whores?

thread-47972.html

[worldwidetraveler]

The foundations of RVF was deeply fractured into two groups - the appetizers and the non-appetizers.

I didn't think we would come back from that polarizing topic.

Yet we did and now we are being tested once again.

Damn you Hefner, damn you!

[Samseau]

(09-29-2017 05:09 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

^
Aren't you the guy who tried to justify biblical extramarital sex with whores?

thread-47972.html

No, there is a clear distinction between whores and sluts, which involves intentions around money. Having sex out of pleasure versus sex for cash, a major difference.

Sluts are toxic but not nearly as bad according to Christian teaching because they lack the intentions of selling their bodies purely for cash, and just according to everyday common sense.

I wrote at length about it in that thread, and I just spoke at length about this subject with Aurni:

[debeguiled]

Two forks of this thread. Hef the icon. Hef the human.

They are getting all mixed up.

As an archetype, the Playboy, he fulfilled a fantasy for all the guys stuck in jobs they hate with wives and lives they hate.

What would you do if you could do whatever you wanted?

Living the life of the carefree bachelor forever, with all the best girls and all the best gadgets and enjoying the best literature and movies and adventure.

He fulfilled that role just fine, as a relief valve to the everyday.

For all those women whining "how can we compete with that" there are men who don't expect their wives to be centerfolds and know it is a fantasy. Unlike the Eat Pray Love crowd.

Guys could read his magazine, and the excellent fiction and reporting, and the in depth interviews with important people, and fantasize about the stereo equipment and the speed boats, and finish it off by whacking off to a centerfold.

We could have chosen someone a whole lot worse for that role.

As for the man himself, well, any time you go backstage the magic disappears. Fair enough if that is what you want to talk about.

They are two separate things though.

[Kona]

(09-29-2017 05:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

No, there is a clear distinction between whores and sluts, which involves intentions around money. Having sex out of pleasure versus sex for cash, a major difference.

Sluts are toxic but not nearly as bad according to Christian teaching because they lack the intentions of selling their bodies purely for cash, and just according to everyday common sense.

I wrote at length about it in that thread, and I just spoke at length about this subject with Aurni:

Just sitting in traffic listening to some samseau on the radio. I'm a happy Hawaiian.

Aloha!

[Mercenary]

(09-29-2017 05:32 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Guys could read his magazine, and the excellent fiction and reporting, and the in depth interviews with important people, and fantasize about the stereo equipment and the speed boats, and finish it off by whacking off to a centerfold.

Exactly my point.
It was all a fantasy, with no intention of Hefner ever telling you HOW to make it a reality.
He never helped men achieve anything useful or meaningful in real life by way of practical advice, motivational material, or using his personal wealth and political influence to change society back to the benefit of men.

NOTHING that Playboy ever published helped normal guys understand women, do more approaches in real life, help them get more girls into bed, improve their game, help their long term relationships, or even prevent a whole 2 generations of men being divorced raped.

In fact, Hef was emasculating entire generations of men, cause every time Playboy published more nude pics, Hef was essentially selling YOU a ticket to being a loser cuckold each month, by making you pay for the privledge of staying indoors and masturbating in a dark corner, over the girls he was actually fucking. Don't forget - until internet porn came along, you had to pay for that all that stuff. Hef didn't give away even a single ass or pussy pic for free.

The only thing Hefner left you with each month (that you could still use) after consuming his garbage, was your own limp wet dick in your hand.

...

[CynicalContrarian]

(09-29-2017 04:19 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

...The name 'Playboy' will be remembered, much like 'Punch', but future generations won't remember why, or care why they don't.

Had a 20 year old gal at work ask what Playboy Magazine was all about due to all this news recently.
Admittedly, she also had no clue who O.J. Simpson was despite all his drama...

Goes to show, despite the sheer amount of information accessible to everyone due to the internet.
People only have so much time in the day & certain matters can easily slip off their radar.

[The PerSev]

(09-29-2017 04:19 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

I'm not going to hate on the guy too much because I know so little about him, but if the stories of gay porn are true then it just shows the degradation of the soul that decades of hedonism and meaningless sex bring to a man. Pleasure is not happiness.

I just hope his kids were brought up right and are decent people - that's the real legacy he's left. The name 'Playboy' will be remembered, much like 'Punch', but future generations won't remember why, or care why they don't.

Yeah, that's where I was coming from. There's no question that by most metrics Heff was a winner. It's just... is that all there is?

Banging sloots until you're 91? Doesn't that get old eventually?

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

He sold out to (((them))) and in the end our world and the lives of many men have worsened because of his exploits. Those RVFers of color may enjoy the fallout from his life's work longer than some but its only a matter of time before your joyride ends too.

[kaotic]

(09-29-2017 07:21 PM)IstillLoveVistaBaby Wrote:  

He sold out to (((them))) and in the end our world and the lives of many men have worsened because of his exploits. Those RVFers of color may enjoy the fallout from his life's work longer than some but its only a matter of time before your joyride ends too.

[WilliamDoor]

Prior to Hef, maybe we were happy to live in a world that was civil, where we were all kind to each other, a deal was a deal and if you were a good man that was all right.

But the truth was under that thin cover of civil life we were all dogs, ready to give in to our most base wants for a quick high.

First small doses, then you need more for your hit = panty pics, then sex, then BDSM, BBCDP, then fags. Now they want our kids.

Hef was the first to open that door. Sexy pics went around, then the flood of tech came and today porn is known even to a child.

We can not go back. But now we know.

Truth is truth, even if it comes from evil.

What we do with what we know is up to us.