Quote: (12-28-2016 01:06 AM)Samseau Wrote:
Lots of speculation but this is actually an easy topic.
If you want to race mix without your children suffering negative consequences, you need to use your race to your advantage. No slumming it.
Yup, I agree. I think there is a certain set of white male loser types that think: I don't want to act like a man, might as well get a submissive wife from Asia who will make up for my lack of masculinity and self-worth. These are the types of guys who slum it, and I think the kids suffer. Those kids would also suffer if the schlubby white dude married some white chick, and watched their mom henpeck him to death for his bitch behavior.
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So if you're a White guy seeking children with non-Whites, you should be punching anywhere from 1-3 points higher than your same race equivalent depending on the race. I would say, as a White man, if you're dating...
...a Hispanic woman, at least 1 point higher.
...an Asian woman, at least 2 points higher.
...a Black woman, at least 3 points higher.
In my experience if you follow that guide, your mixed race kids will be so attractive no one cares about their race. Beauty trumps all. Elliot Rodgers was the product of a pretty average looking Chinese woman. The Dad slummed it, was an absent father, and Eliot paid the price.
I agree with your guidelines. Selectiveness is key. Picking a wife is a one-off opportunity. You don't get a do-over on getting it right. I filter with extreme prejudice and encourage all men to do likewise. I think that is especially true if you are dating outside of your race. As a tall, relatively good looking white man in Asia, I can easily punch above my weight for girls in terms of attractiveness and age difference. If I went to the Philippines and and married the first 5.5 that paid attention to me, yes, I think that slumming it would produce adverse effects. Without being a total eugenicist, I'm well aware that a mother's genes are linked to her beauty. There's no point in not getting the best deal you can make, regardless of her race. I've not attracted to the overwhelmingly majority of black women, for instance. I'd make some exceptions to Ethiopian women. This is all based solely upon looks. I want to raise my children Catholic, so finding a Catholic (or Orthodox) woman is key. Values and upbringing matter to me as much as beauty. They go hand in hand for a wife search IMO.
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And by the way, it works in reverse with White women as well. How frequently do you see Black men dating White women 2 points or more below their own race value? Asian guys I rarely see with White chicks unless they are very successful, but they can still get Black chicks at above market value or other Asian women at equal value (from Asia). Same shit with Hispanic men, punching a bit below their weight just for the coveted White genes.
Very true. Most black dudes here in the United States date white women below their own attractiveness. The exceptions I've noticed tend to be really successful black guys who have a popular following or swagger. Think DJ's, athletes, models, etc. It is hard for black guys in the United States to punch above their weight with white women, without other mitigating factors. Given that the overwhelming majority of black women in the United States are either overweight or outright obese, a chubby white chick might actually be a step up. I don't envy the average black guy's dating options in America.
I live in California, where there's a sizeable Asian population. Overwhelmingly, Asian women date other Asian men or white men. The amount of Asian girls dating or marrying Latinos or blacks is insignificant. It just doesn't happen in any sizable numbers. I'm open to dating a Latina woman, but my filter is set very hard for them given a lot of them and their families are big into left-wing politics, plus with at least Mexican-American girls, they tend not to take care of themselves and get fat. I'd only date a Mexican girl if her mother actually made a point of looking good and staying fit. Slumming it, as you've pointed out, makes no sense.
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At the end of the day, since Whites attract the most attractive of all races, what tends to happen is a great merging of attractive people into one giant K-selected super race... with skin that gets lighter and lighter over time. I've seen this process occur in my Middle Eastern half of the family. We've been race mixing for God knows how long, centuries at least, all sorts of colors in my family, and yet White phenotypes are everywhere.
I've noticed that especially with some of my mixed Lebanese and Persian acquaintances with Euro blood. Both the men and women are extremely attractive. Good genes + compatible cultural values for marriage = Jackpot for wife spot
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The White phenotype is highly desirable, there's no way to sugar coat it, so if you have it you gotta leverage it.
Yup, I agree. No point in being lazy and slumming it. I didn't build my business or exercise in the gym only to punk out and just phone it in for a wife search.
Quote: (12-28-2016 01:09 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:
Quote: (12-28-2016 12:14 AM)Brosemite Wrote:
^ That was a hidden camera hoax done by professional actors intended to cause an uproar amongst witnesses in a restaurant opposed to what Asian guys actually deal with when meeting the parents of their partners......
That video attempts to make a racial hate victim out of the Asian guy and demonise old country white people at the same time. Pathetic!
My bad, I didn't watch the video to the end, so I missed the part where it was a setup. My mistake for not doing my homework on something a MSM produced. Truly pathetic race baiting bullshit.
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Let me tell you from me and my uncle's examples of dating and marrying white women from rural areas: the meeting with the parents is always very pleasant.
My uncle is married to a Polish woman from some tiny village. He wasn't even Christian. He first met his future parents-in-law at Christmas and brought them some massive ham and fine whiskey for the father. They loved him to bits and wanted their daughter to marry him asap. My uncle would joke that they'd get him to marry their other daughter too if it were possible!
In my social circle I have a lot of Vietnamese and Polish friends. Although they are from radically different parts of the world, there are some serious overlaps. For one, both cultures place extremely strong values on family importance and respect. Both cultures have a tradition of eating together with friends and family a lot as a bonding experience, they both know how to throw a party. Both cultures are very traditional when compared to the rest of the world regarding men's and women's roles within a relationship. Feminism in Poland and Vietnam are minor movements compared to the rot that they are in the West. The Viet's have been fighting people left, right and center for ages. They know what it means to defend themselves. The Poles are a thick-headed bunch (I say that in a loving way) that got those thick skulls from fighting the Nazi's and Commies. I think there's something to be said for people that go through hardship being well-adjusted compared to the pampered spoiled brats that our current soft generation is known for.
Any further insights on your uncles that married white girls? Their marriages and how they make it work? Do they have any kids, and if so, hopefully they were well-raised? Also, once your uncles found these white girls, what country did they end up settling in with their new wife, and how did that home work out for them?
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My wife's entire family live in a tiny Aussie coastal town where it's almost 100% lily white, everyone goes to the same church and knows everyone else. My parents-in-law loved talking to me the first time we met, and at times they almost forgot to talk to their own daughter that they have not seen in a while because she moved to the city. They were a bit surprised that we got engaged relatively quickly compared to the modern "standard" of waiting the better part of a decade, but they couldn't be any happier for their daughter. My father-in-law is very fond of and has great respect for me, he frequently asks me for my guidance in mentoring my brother-in-law who's 20.
Excellent. I think a strong respect of future in-laws is critical to a wife search. Your family must love their family and vice versa. I honestly couldn't fathom marrying a girl from any culture that had parents I either didn't respect, or they didn't respect me.
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I have met a few parents of white girls I considered for serious relationships in the past, and it has always been pleasant. I used to think that it could be like this video from time to time and was looking forward to a similar racist encounter because I love dealing with conflicts, but alas these bloody white parents are always so nice to me!
Well, I sense that you present well, so if someone isn't overly biased, why would they give you a hard time? I expect a girl that is raised well by her parents, regardless of culture, should be respectful of me also. I have a very low threshold for rudeness and don't believe using cultural differences is an excuse for hostility. Classy people are classy regardless of color. Assholes are assholes, avoid them like a toxic plague.
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Bro, but what's your ranking when it comes to Asian women?
I'd put mine as (hottest to ugliest):
Indonesian
Korean
Japanese
Chinese (law of big numbers)
Thai
Malay
SEA-not Thai
Phils
Largely agree, with a few caveats. Indonesian girls can be drop-dead gorgeous. Some of the most exotic beauties you'll ever meet are Indo. Pleasant personalities overall from my limited interaction with them online. Most of them are Suni Islam, but I found a few Christians in the mix. The culture is conservative, so even if they have a rocking body, they aren't going to be flaunting it. Korean women can be quite stunning too, same for Japanese. When you're dealing with higher-end in looks for those groups, they often have truly doll like faces or alternatively rather sharp by tasteful facial structures. How much of that is surgrery in Korea, who knows? Same thing goes for higher-end Chinese girls. All three of these groups for high-end women (not slumming it) I get the impression that they would rather date a high-end alpha from their native country, or at least a very well-versed foreigner in their native language and country. Can it be done? Probably, but I think the hurdle is very high, especially in Korea based upon multiple reports of Korean parents scoffing at their daughters dating white guys, much less a Latino or black. Thai's tend to have a more masculine look to me, not the biggest fan. There are a few that make the exception to the rule, but by and large I'm just not feeling it. Philippines is really slumming it in the looks department unless you date a girl with a lot of Spanish blood in her. Having spent time there, I can confirm that most of the girls, while skinny, have no curves. No chest, no butt and no hips. Very boyish bodies and uniformly average or even harsh faces. It would be an extremely rear Filipina that I found stunning. One wildcard that I think is overlooked is Vietnamese girls. There's a fair split between the have's and have not's in terms of looks. But there are a lot of friendly 6's, 7's and 8's who are interested in finding a boyfriend online. Besides the pleasant personalities, if you like petite women with surprisingly curvy chests with tiny waists and feminine faces, I'd say they are worth looking over.
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With that said, with my time in Korea/Japan the halfie kids who were well adjusted had a definite advantage with the top shelf chicks. On top of fitting in visually they had the opportunity to possess not only social ties/knowledge about their culture but also about the foreign culture that people are generally curious about/find interesting.
Just like most everything in life, what you may perceive as a "weakness" can generally be spun into a "strength".
That would be my ideal if I married an Asian girl. Insist she teach them her native language in addition to English. Give the kids a cultural and linguistic advantage early on. Let them spend time in both cultures so they can learn and take the best traits of both, while also critiquing the worst parts. Honesty is key.
Quote: (12-28-2016 02:14 PM)Dusty Wrote:
I think hapa girls have life by the balls. Their chance of looking hot is very high. It seems to be tougher for hapa guys. Some do turn out to be attractive (Keanu Reeves) but a lot do not. A lot of the guys may have decent faces, but are small, not just height, but narrow shoulders and not a masculine build ( eg, Elliot Rodgers).
I don't think Eliot Rodgers was an ugly dude. He needed to lift some weights and stop obsessing over women he didn't even have the balls to say "hi" to. I honestly think he was a mental case with bad parents.
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Having said that, I know this one hapa guy who is one of the most attractive guys I've known (no homo) and he's six feet tall. It's s crap shoot.
I'd have a kid with an Asian, but having a girl would probably be easier.
The only hapa kids I know are three girls, all of them gorgeous. Don't have a sample of hapa guys to go off to judge looks or adjustment for personality.
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Here is John Derbyshire (old school alt right writer) with his family. Derb is ugly, but managed to produce a cute hybrid daughter. The boy is not as fortunate.
Derb has the brains, but not the look. Agreed. His son isn't "ugly" to me, he needs to stop scowling in that pic though, it does him no favors.
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I think hapa girls have life by the balls. Their chance of looking hot is very high. It seems to be tougher for hapa guys. Some do turn out to be attractive (Kona )but a lot do not.
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Fixed that for you.
I am hapa. The whole family is. A true-to-the-word hapa has to have Polynesian in them.
My sister is an example of a hapa girl with life by the balls. She attends a fancy California college and has perfect grades in a stem program.
She has the exoticness factor plus the minority credentials going.
I can't comment on the straight white/Asian mix because we factor in the Polynesian traits. I think my whole family has the perfect blend that balances out the Samoan fatness with Japanese/Filipino.
I also can't comment on how I was treated as a child because I come from the land of the hapa, where we are the majority.
Once I went away to college, most white folks assumed I was a tall Mexican. I had to explain my ethnicity, and the Hawaiian factor is always a positive. My looks, once explained, led to many fantastic encounters with girls, but horrible ones with cops.
The thread where I put up some pictures is linked already. So check those girls out.
In my opinion, Samseau (no relation to Junior) put it best, that attractiveness will trump all.
And by the way "looking for a wife" translated to under 25 hapa girl lingo is "taking her to the BAE area." I don't make the rules.
Aloha!
I guess the hapa population of HI isn't a representative group, given the extremely high amount of pure Asians and hapas alredy there. It isn't like they are growing up in a completely foreign land. Do you or any of your hapa friends/family have experience living outside of HI which radically changed how they were treated or saw the world?
Quote: (12-28-2016 06:21 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:
As long as you respect Asian people and culture and are not racist or hold extremist views, I think an arrangement like this could work. This means giving your kids a balanced upbringing and if you do have a male child, teach him game and let him experience success with women early so he isn't handicapped later in life.
If you do harbor some 'alt-right' sentiments and decide to go through with a mixed marriage, you need to be very prudent about how your children will perceive you. An old fart neo-Nazi and a Thai bargirl do not make for well-adjusted kids.
Haha, had to laugh at your last sentence. I'm just trying to imagine a pureblood neo-Nazi with a Thai bar girl. Talk about an unlikely match! I see myself as an old-fashion straight talker. I call bullshit out wherever I see it, regardless of race. I don't sugar coat things, but I don't go out of my way to offend people of different races or cultures. Show me respect, and you'll earn mine is how I roll.
Quote: (12-28-2016 06:38 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:
Quote: (12-28-2016 02:14 PM)Dusty Wrote:
I think hapa girls have life by the balls. Their chance of looking hot is very high. It seems to be tougher for hapa guys. Some do turn out to be attractive (Keanu Reeves) but a lot do not. A lot of the guys may have decent faces, but are small, not just height, but narrow shoulders and not a masculine build ( eg, Elliot Rodgers).
This is confirmation bias, you being a straight man only check out the hotter hapa girls and hardly look at the guys and the uglier girls.
Knowing enough of them socially, their chance of being attractive - for the girls or guys - is about the same. Often they are more attractive than both of their parents though. That son in your photo, despite not being the most handsome fella around, is better looking than his white dad who looked like he fell off the ugly tree and got slapped hard by his disappointed parents at birth.
Being into powerlifting and boxing, I know plenty of tall big hapa guys who do really well with attractive girls despite (being typical of Aussies) having no game.
The slight build you see in Asian or half Asian guys is because those guys don't lift or play any sport. The ones who do tend to build muscles very easily without getting fat. Two of my Viet friends in powerlifting and boxing are around 6-6'2" and used to be about 130~140lb soaking wet as teenagers. Now they're both around 220lb lean. There are also plenty of smaller ones who are similar with muscle building, myself included.
That's what I've noticed too. White and Asian genes seem to balance out with the averages. Kids often beating their parent's combined average. I think any father should teach his son fitness. I'd say even more so for Asian sons or half-Asian sons given that there are too many stereotypes of them being feminine, passive or geeky. I don't want my son to feel like he is unattractive or unmasculine, so I say when he reaches the right age, his first gift will be a weight set. The Asian guys I've met that tend to be successful in life and socially are physically fit, by and large. They don't let their (often) shorter statures or more naturally slender frames act as an excuse for not being fit and having good posture. In fact, one of the most successful Asian dudes I know is only about 5'3", speaks with a thick Vietnamese accent and actually rather unattractive looking. Still, he has great posture, a winning smile and is funny as hell. He rakes down $1.5m a year as a senior partner in the financial sector, has a wonderful wife and children, and the respect of of many wonderful friends and business partners. He never let his being an Asian man, short, not having an attractive face, being born in a different country, etc. be an excuse for why he couldn't be successful. He's actually one of my biggest mentors, because he helped me out a lot in my own business endeavors.