[Rob Banks]

(12-28-2016 08:43 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 07:25 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

OP, I don't think the question of whether a mixed-race child will be discriminated against is the most important issue here. Sure, it is an important issue, as you want your children to grow up being accepted by the larger community. But in my opinion, racial discrimination by others should not be the biggest problem in the world, at least if you are living in the US.

I'm not sure where I will be living long-term, which is why I solicited so many different opinions. Regardless of the race you marry, raising a family in what has become the burning trash heap of American culture is one hell of a challenge, spiritually and legally. Although I love my country dearly, I feel I am in exile here. I think Trump will challenge some of the prevailing political correctness that has ruled over us for far too long, but that isn't changing Family Law that is biased against men, or this ridiculous 58 gender pronoun crap that our universities are pushing. There are plenty of advantages to living in the USA, but raising children here I don't think is one of them, unless you truly move them out to the middle of nowhere.

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The reason why I, personally, would prefer not to have children with a non-white woman (I am white/half Jewish) is because I want to have children who look like me and have a similar genetic makeup to me.

On some level, I agree with that argument. Having strong resemblance to your family lineage is a plus. I'm a mix of Portuguese, English, Irish, Scottish, French, German, Flemish, and Italian. I've had many people say I look even Greek or Jewish, because I have darker features and curly hair. I've often been mistaken for Italian. I don't look particularly Irish, even though I have a considerable percentage in me. Here in the United States, most of us are mutts to begin with. I think in continental European cultures, there's a more homogenous look to "blend in". Your average German looks very "German" to me, whereas your average white American just looks, like...a mixture of white ethnic groups.

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I remember a conversation I had with my Italian grandmother recently. I asked her if she knew where all her ancestors were from, and she responded with the name of a town near Genoa, Italy. I responded "What about the rest of your ancestors? They can't all be from that town, right?" And she responded that they were, in fact, all from the same town. And then it dawned on me that it was the norm throughout the vast majority of human history for all of one's ancestors to have been from the same town, let alone country. I then asked my grandmother if all of my grandfather's ancestors came from the same town, and she told me that they all came from the same town in Basque Country (northern Spain).

I think family history, and love of roots are an important part of culture. Still, when taken to a logical extreme as in the case of the Ashkenazi Jewish community, many ultra-traditional cultures like Pakistan you start getting inbreeding and genetic problems, with increased health issues and mental neuroticism. Given that I'm a mixture of over a half-dozen different white ethic groups, who is my "home" culture? Sure, if I met a very traditional white 20 year old American girl that wants to marry a 32 year old (me) and have my kids, and be a respectful wife and mother, I'd hop all over that. I believe going to a foreign culture requires extra hurdles to leap in some instances that you don't have with marrying a native. That being said, how many girls in the West are even considering being a loving wife and mother at age 20? The amount of neurotic white women in America is staggering. Over 1 in 4 are on mental health drugs. These are not the foundations I want for a marriage, even if it might sadly mean giving up the "looks" of my ancestors if I marry a woman from a different culture. For the men of this forum who are looking for wives, there is simply a shortage of qualified white, American women, our natural mating cohort. We can't invent more wonderful women. They will either come round on their own, or men will choose other options, or take a sucker's bet.

You mentioned that you're half-Jewish.

Look at Israel, founded by Jews from Soviet countries, German Jews, French Jews, etc. There's no one completely "Jewish" look, but rather a blend. I'm not sure looking like family members of times gone by is the most key factor to a happy marriage. I think the good genes of your future mother, plus a set of spiritual and cultural values that agree surpass that in my own opinion. If I could find that in a white girl who had all those traits, born in America and wanted to get married young before riding the cock carousel, then I'd certainly see that as a plus. There JUST AREN'T MANY of those types of women. The men of this forum giving serious consideration to marriage need to consider foreign options, because their a severe shortage of marriage-quality women in the USA. Full stop.

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Considering that what I just described was the norm throughout most of history, I would worry about what kind of effect it would have mixed-race (half-white, half-Asian) children if their mother and father come from opposite sides of the world, from cultures so vastly different from one another. I would be more worried about the child dealing with internal identity issues than external ones. What would it feel like if you looked nothing like your mother or your father? Every time you spent time with your extended family from either side, you would be seen as the outsider. During family get-togethers, everyone at the table would look similar to each other and share a cultural identity, except for you.

A valid point. Thankfully I don't have an ultra racist family. I have an uncle who is Portuguese who married a Mexican. They have a wonderful marriage. That's but one example of two different cultures merging. If I was to marry a white girl in the United States, do I teach them my over half-dozen European identities? I think the case can be made in Europe it matters more to maintain that familial line and "look", as the individual countries are more homogeneous than here in the USA. Europeans have a long history of being more tribal and nationalistic when it comes to race than Americans. Most white Americans are a mix of at least three or four different European backgrounds. We don't have a solidified "white" identity. That's why the KKK isn't ever going to make a strong comeback. Most white Americans don't strongly identify with their European roots. I think it would be nice if we stopped demonizing white folks here in the US as racists all the time, but that's something out of my direct control and ability to change. European identity has been dormant for too long, and I think it will rise again to face the Islamic hordes and I hope so. The chart and path of Europe is very different than that of white Americans. I don't think there is a parallel.

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My wife, who I plan on starting a family with, happens to be of similar genetic makeup as me. Like me, she also has Italian and Basque ancestry. However, I did not know this when I met her. In fact, I did not know she had Italian blood until relatively recently. However, I don't think this was merely a coincidence. I think one of the reasons I was drawn to her (and her to me) was because of our similar genetic makeup. I think it is simply in our nature to look for husbands/wives who are genetically similar to us, because that is what we did for the vast majority of human history.

Yes, before modern travel, people mostly mated with folks in their village or nearby towns. There are a more standardized look of a country. In the era of mass transportation, that is not true. In fact, even before airplanes and boats, there have been many wars fought which have changed the genetic makeup of the lands. Look at your Italian history for example. I've met plenty of Italians with silver or blue colored eyes and even with red or blonde hair! You might even think of them as Scandinavian before being sons or daughters of Italy.

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As for the whole white-worship thing that goes on in Asian cultures (especially among Asian women), I believe it is a recent cultural phenomenon based on the fact that whites are perceived to have more money and higher status. I once had a Thai girl I went out with tell me that people back in Thailand tell her she is ugly because her skin is too dark (her skin wasn't even all that dark). If I were Asian, I would surely be offended by the way Asian women seem to worship whites, and by the way white culture in general is worshipped. Then again, maybe I am oversimplifying the situation. I am not Asian, so maybe someone who is Asian (or has lived in east Asia) can explain this phenomenon better than I can.

Make no mistake, that there are certainly a sizable number of Asian women (especially from the poorer countries) that see marrying a white man as a step up. They are probably right to think so. I have nothing against them for waiting to get the best deal at the bargaining table, as do I. Keep in mind that my target for wife searching is educated in her own country. I'm not looking for some poverty row girl that just wants a meal ticket. I want a strong, smart woman to raise children with. That means she has a brain and knows how to use it, not just waiting for a white savior. That's where a man must filter strongly!

Right now, white American women are some of the most spoiled brats ever to walk the face of the Earth. I know a few exceptions to that rule who are wonderful wives and mothers. But today's generation of young, white American women are a disaster. Marrying one (other an a truly exceptional angel) would be a recipe for disaster in my opinion. That "Wife Hunting Abroad" thread wouldn't be dozens of pages deep if many other men had come to that same conclusion. The divorce stats don't lie. American men who marry women from abroad have MUCH lower divorce rates. If you go through all the hassle of marrying a woman from abroad, it is because you've done all the extra filtering and homework worth making it worth it. I'd still marry a white American girl in a heartbeat if she had the temperament of many Asian girls, and the desire to be a mother and wife to me. Those are massively tall orders for women that by and large have left that role in droves. You can't convince someone to do something they don't want to. I can't call the shots with regards to what American women want. If I find a unicorn, I'll marry her. But in the mean time, exploring foreign options is in the interest of every American man.

I agree 100% when it comes to American women. My woman is not American. I met her when I was living in South America (she is from the same town as my family). I won't say the specific country, but it is a very white country in South America, populated mostly by Europeans.

I'm would never tell any American guy not to go abroad to look for a wife. I don't think I've ever even met an American woman who I would consider wifing up, and I'm not exaggerating (oddly enough, the only woman I ever met in America who I would have considered potential wife material was a Thai girl who was in town for the summer).

I'm also not saying that you need to find a woman that exactly matches your genetic heritage. My woman doesn't completely match my heritage. I have some Jewish heritage and she doesn't. She has some Native American heritage and I don't. I was just pointing out that I was drawn to her before I knew her heritage, and then it turned out she had mostly the same heritage as me (Italian and Basque), and I don't think this was merely a coincidence. However, if it had turned out that she was half German and half Portuguese (or which I am neither), it wouldn't have made a difference to me.

I'm not here to preach against race-mixing, or anything like that. I think we should let people naturally group together however they see fit. I do, however, believe that people have a natural desire to group together with their own kind. I, personally, would not restrict myself to only dating women of the same ethnic background as me, but at the same time, I probably would not go as far as marrying an East Asian woman. They are simply too different, genetically and culturally. I would feel like I could not have a genuine connection with the woman. Plus, as I have said before, I would want my kids to look at least somewhat like me.

I certainly have sympathy for why men would look abroad for a wife. However, I have to ask myself, is East Asia the only option? What about Eastern Europe, or South America? I guess I just have a personal preference for women who are at least somewhat similar (genetically and culturally) to me, and I think it is natural to have this preference. That being said, I undertand that some men don't have this preference, and that's absolutely fine. It is certainly possible for interracial couple to be happy, as long as you both understand what you're getting into and you're both on the same page about how to handle certain problems that may come up, especially when it comes to raising children.

[realologist]

For all you racial purity guys on here. I'm willing to bet you aren't so "pure" yourself. So why don't you put your money where you mouth is and get a 23andme DNA test and post them on this thread.

Still can't believe I have to say this and this is an issue on a forum founded on banging chicks while traveling.

[Elster]

Funny that, I and my wife to be have extremely matching phenotypes and our iberian peninsula ancestry may have even originated from the same region at one point.
I do suspect our physiological similarity played a big part in the kick-off and/or the development of our Relationship.

Interestingly enough she points out her complexes and confusion of growing up a small stouter and darker girl in a land of stringy blonde blue eyed giants,even though she is already a fifth or sixth generation german so point for the issue of being the odd featherd duck.

Our main genetic differences are that I do have some SA native blood (almost impossible to tell unless you thoroughly examine my features) while she is a full european package so I guess our children will probably end up very similar looking to us.
And on that note,I would point out that no matter how odd the genetic pairing is,it will be quite easy to find the features of both parents' bloodlines in the child's genetical makeup.

I guess in the end,genetics do play an influence in your choice but by no means would I say they have the final say in the matter,and renewing blood is always a healthy thing so why not?

[Fortis]

^ Nope, not gonna work. Should have married your sister. Gotta have the same, THE SAME, DNA, or your wife will leave you for her cousin and famili-cuck you.

[Kid Twist]

(12-29-2016 02:16 PM)realologist Wrote:  

For all you racial purity guys on here. I'm willing to bet you aren't so "pure" yourself. So why don't you put your money where you mouth is and get a 23andme DNA test and post them on this thread.

Still can't believe I have to say this and this is an issue on a forum founded on banging chicks while traveling.

This is an oversimplification and fairly irresponsible to categorize what I've seen on this thread as honest attempts to talk about races, their mixes, and identity.

Secondly, this topic has nothing to do with "banging chicks while traveling" and even if the forum has that at its starting point, it's still irrelevant.

In my view, if you don't at least think about how mixed race children may fare in a given country or environment, you are doing a disservice to everyone.

Honestly taking about it, which is an issue of history and biology , has nothing to do with "purity" or anything of the sort that you suggest.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Why is it only Hapa's take their bi-raciality as license to bitch and moan about their identity issues and lack of pussy getting? You never hear half black, half mexican, half arab, or anyone else whine with quite as much volume. If being biracial is so horrible, why's it only the half asian males who spend their time bitching on the internet? It's just another form of IRTism whining about how he will never get "blonde bombshell".


Why are we enabling this pathetic circle jerk of victimhood? What makes Hapas so uniquely noble in this respect?

Also, this shouldn't be in the game subforum as nothing about this discussion thusfar is related in any way to GAME.

[realologist]

(12-29-2016 09:01 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 02:16 PM)realologist Wrote:  

For all you racial purity guys on here. I'm willing to bet you aren't so "pure" yourself. So why don't you put your money where you mouth is and get a 23andme DNA test and post them on this thread.

Still can't believe I have to say this and this is an issue on a forum founded on banging chicks while traveling.

This is an oversimplification and fairly irresponsible to categorize what I've seen on this thread as honest attempts to talk about races, their mixes, and identity.

Secondly, this topic has nothing to do with "banging chicks while traveling" and even if the forum has that at its starting point, it's still irrelevant.

In my view, if you don't at least think about how mixed race children may fare in a given country or environment, you are doing a disservice to everyone.

Honestly taking about it, which is an issue of history and biology , has nothing to do with "purity" or anything of the sort that you suggest.

Not quite. This has popped in multiple threads lately. It only stays an honest attempt for a page or so. I would engage this in a more positive way if that approach was attempted. The mixed kid thing has been beaten to death on this forum. Read through this thread again, there are plenty of racial purity trolls.

I have a lot of experience on this topic but I would rather not waste my time giving great information to people that are going to shit on it when they probably don't have children, have never been around a decent amount of mixed people and/or don't do anything to preserve their "people".

This is coming from a guy that doesn't care if people want to date their own women to hold on to heritage and culture but people take that too far basically saying mixed kids are doomed for failure, aren't good for society, etc.

My statement about banging girls while traveling is to show that most of these dudes spitting that racial purity shit would have no problem banging a hot asian, Latina, black, etc. chick. Guess what that is. Your body is telling you to get that chick pregnant which is why you want to fuck her. You can't deny that.

[Swoldier]

(12-29-2016 09:34 PM)realologist Wrote:  

Not quite. This has popped in multiple threads lately. It only stays an honest attempt for a page or so. I would engage this in a more positive way if that approach was attempted. The mixed kid thing has been beaten to death on this forum. Read through this thread again, there are plenty of racial purity trolls.

I have a lot of experience on this topic but I would rather not waste my time giving great information to people that are going to shit on it when they probably don't have children, have never been around a decent amount of mixed people and/or don't do anything to preserve their "people".

This is coming from a guy that doesn't care if people want to date their own women to hold on to heritage and culture but people take that too far basically saying mixed kids are doomed for failure, aren't good for society, etc.

My statement about banging girls while traveling is to show that most of these dudes spitting that racial purity shit would have no problem banging a hot asian, Latina, black, etc. chick. Guess what that is. Your body is telling you to get that chick pregnant which is why you want to fuck her. You can't deny that.

I think you're making this thread out to be something that it isn't. I just went over this thread with a fine-tooth comb and found little evidence of guys advocating racial purity.

One guy, who was clearly a troll, got banned. Rob Banks, whom I suspect you're talking about, was the only other guy who mentioned intra-racial breeding, and his reason for it – which I thought was a non-concern but nonetheless reasonable – wasn't even that extreme.

[Rob Banks]

(12-29-2016 09:34 PM)realologist Wrote:  

Not quite. This has popped in multiple threads lately. It only stays an honest attempt for a page or so. I would engage this in a more positive way if that approach was attempted. The mixed kid thing has been beaten to death on this forum. Read through this thread again, there are plenty of racial purity trolls.

I have a lot of experience on this topic but I would rather not waste my time giving great information to people that are going to shit on it when they probably don't have children, have never been around a decent amount of mixed people and/or don't do anything to preserve their "people".

This is coming from a guy that doesn't care if people want to date their own women to hold on to heritage and culture but people take that too far basically saying mixed kids are doomed for failure, aren't good for society, etc.

My statement about banging girls while traveling is to show that most of these dudes spitting that racial purity shit would have no problem banging a hot asian, Latina, black, etc. chick. Guess what that is. Your body is telling you to get that chick pregnant which is why you want to fuck her. You can't deny that.

Assuming you're talking about me, I never said anything about "racial purity." Of course I would have no problem banging a girl of any race, if I found her attractive. And there are definitely attractive girls of all races. I'm just saying if I was looking for a wife to have kids with, I might naturally be more inclined to choose a woman of similar (not identical) genetic makeup rather than an East Asian woman, whose DNA would be about as different from mine as you can get.

I am by no means saying that guys should ignore their natural instincts to be with a girl just because she is of a different race. I'm just saying that most people, free of outside influences, are naturally more attracted to men/women genetically similar to them (even if they are not aware of each other's heritage).

That doesn't mean I condemn interracial couples. I just think it's something you need to think hard about and understand what you're getting into.

[Fortis]

All jokes aside, the point I wanna make is that guys need to hold themselves accountable for how their kids turn out. I rarely meet a shitty kid who comes from a totally nice and normal family. If your kids turn out fucked up, then take a look in the mirror. The son is a projection of the father, not just a projection of some nebulous genetic mix that you can dial in, get it correct and then pop out perfect kids. Doesn't work that way.

Also, I knew Kona wasn't black, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Kona were black.

[John Michael Kane]

(12-29-2016 02:18 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 08:43 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 07:25 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

OP, I don't think the question of whether a mixed-race child will be discriminated against is the most important issue here. Sure, it is an important issue, as you want your children to grow up being accepted by the larger community. But in my opinion, racial discrimination by others should not be the biggest problem in the world, at least if you are living in the US.

I'm not sure where I will be living long-term, which is why I solicited so many different opinions. Regardless of the race you marry, raising a family in what has become the burning trash heap of American culture is one hell of a challenge, spiritually and legally. Although I love my country dearly, I feel I am in exile here. I think Trump will challenge some of the prevailing political correctness that has ruled over us for far too long, but that isn't changing Family Law that is biased against men, or this ridiculous 58 gender pronoun crap that our universities are pushing. There are plenty of advantages to living in the USA, but raising children here I don't think is one of them, unless you truly move them out to the middle of nowhere.

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The reason why I, personally, would prefer not to have children with a non-white woman (I am white/half Jewish) is because I want to have children who look like me and have a similar genetic makeup to me.

On some level, I agree with that argument. Having strong resemblance to your family lineage is a plus. I'm a mix of Portuguese, English, Irish, Scottish, French, German, Flemish, and Italian. I've had many people say I look even Greek or Jewish, because I have darker features and curly hair. I've often been mistaken for Italian. I don't look particularly Irish, even though I have a considerable percentage in me. Here in the United States, most of us are mutts to begin with. I think in continental European cultures, there's a more homogenous look to "blend in". Your average German looks very "German" to me, whereas your average white American just looks, like...a mixture of white ethnic groups.

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I remember a conversation I had with my Italian grandmother recently. I asked her if she knew where all her ancestors were from, and she responded with the name of a town near Genoa, Italy. I responded "What about the rest of your ancestors? They can't all be from that town, right?" And she responded that they were, in fact, all from the same town. And then it dawned on me that it was the norm throughout the vast majority of human history for all of one's ancestors to have been from the same town, let alone country. I then asked my grandmother if all of my grandfather's ancestors came from the same town, and she told me that they all came from the same town in Basque Country (northern Spain).

I think family history, and love of roots are an important part of culture. Still, when taken to a logical extreme as in the case of the Ashkenazi Jewish community, many ultra-traditional cultures like Pakistan you start getting inbreeding and genetic problems, with increased health issues and mental neuroticism. Given that I'm a mixture of over a half-dozen different white ethic groups, who is my "home" culture? Sure, if I met a very traditional white 20 year old American girl that wants to marry a 32 year old (me) and have my kids, and be a respectful wife and mother, I'd hop all over that. I believe going to a foreign culture requires extra hurdles to leap in some instances that you don't have with marrying a native. That being said, how many girls in the West are even considering being a loving wife and mother at age 20? The amount of neurotic white women in America is staggering. Over 1 in 4 are on mental health drugs. These are not the foundations I want for a marriage, even if it might sadly mean giving up the "looks" of my ancestors if I marry a woman from a different culture. For the men of this forum who are looking for wives, there is simply a shortage of qualified white, American women, our natural mating cohort. We can't invent more wonderful women. They will either come round on their own, or men will choose other options, or take a sucker's bet.

You mentioned that you're half-Jewish.

Look at Israel, founded by Jews from Soviet countries, German Jews, French Jews, etc. There's no one completely "Jewish" look, but rather a blend. I'm not sure looking like family members of times gone by is the most key factor to a happy marriage. I think the good genes of your future mother, plus a set of spiritual and cultural values that agree surpass that in my own opinion. If I could find that in a white girl who had all those traits, born in America and wanted to get married young before riding the cock carousel, then I'd certainly see that as a plus. There JUST AREN'T MANY of those types of women. The men of this forum giving serious consideration to marriage need to consider foreign options, because their a severe shortage of marriage-quality women in the USA. Full stop.

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Considering that what I just described was the norm throughout most of history, I would worry about what kind of effect it would have mixed-race (half-white, half-Asian) children if their mother and father come from opposite sides of the world, from cultures so vastly different from one another. I would be more worried about the child dealing with internal identity issues than external ones. What would it feel like if you looked nothing like your mother or your father? Every time you spent time with your extended family from either side, you would be seen as the outsider. During family get-togethers, everyone at the table would look similar to each other and share a cultural identity, except for you.

A valid point. Thankfully I don't have an ultra racist family. I have an uncle who is Portuguese who married a Mexican. They have a wonderful marriage. That's but one example of two different cultures merging. If I was to marry a white girl in the United States, do I teach them my over half-dozen European identities? I think the case can be made in Europe it matters more to maintain that familial line and "look", as the individual countries are more homogeneous than here in the USA. Europeans have a long history of being more tribal and nationalistic when it comes to race than Americans. Most white Americans are a mix of at least three or four different European backgrounds. We don't have a solidified "white" identity. That's why the KKK isn't ever going to make a strong comeback. Most white Americans don't strongly identify with their European roots. I think it would be nice if we stopped demonizing white folks here in the US as racists all the time, but that's something out of my direct control and ability to change. European identity has been dormant for too long, and I think it will rise again to face the Islamic hordes and I hope so. The chart and path of Europe is very different than that of white Americans. I don't think there is a parallel.

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My wife, who I plan on starting a family with, happens to be of similar genetic makeup as me. Like me, she also has Italian and Basque ancestry. However, I did not know this when I met her. In fact, I did not know she had Italian blood until relatively recently. However, I don't think this was merely a coincidence. I think one of the reasons I was drawn to her (and her to me) was because of our similar genetic makeup. I think it is simply in our nature to look for husbands/wives who are genetically similar to us, because that is what we did for the vast majority of human history.

Yes, before modern travel, people mostly mated with folks in their village or nearby towns. There are a more standardized look of a country. In the era of mass transportation, that is not true. In fact, even before airplanes and boats, there have been many wars fought which have changed the genetic makeup of the lands. Look at your Italian history for example. I've met plenty of Italians with silver or blue colored eyes and even with red or blonde hair! You might even think of them as Scandinavian before being sons or daughters of Italy.

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As for the whole white-worship thing that goes on in Asian cultures (especially among Asian women), I believe it is a recent cultural phenomenon based on the fact that whites are perceived to have more money and higher status. I once had a Thai girl I went out with tell me that people back in Thailand tell her she is ugly because her skin is too dark (her skin wasn't even all that dark). If I were Asian, I would surely be offended by the way Asian women seem to worship whites, and by the way white culture in general is worshipped. Then again, maybe I am oversimplifying the situation. I am not Asian, so maybe someone who is Asian (or has lived in east Asia) can explain this phenomenon better than I can.

Make no mistake, that there are certainly a sizable number of Asian women (especially from the poorer countries) that see marrying a white man as a step up. They are probably right to think so. I have nothing against them for waiting to get the best deal at the bargaining table, as do I. Keep in mind that my target for wife searching is educated in her own country. I'm not looking for some poverty row girl that just wants a meal ticket. I want a strong, smart woman to raise children with. That means she has a brain and knows how to use it, not just waiting for a white savior. That's where a man must filter strongly!

Right now, white American women are some of the most spoiled brats ever to walk the face of the Earth. I know a few exceptions to that rule who are wonderful wives and mothers. But today's generation of young, white American women are a disaster. Marrying one (other an a truly exceptional angel) would be a recipe for disaster in my opinion. That "Wife Hunting Abroad" thread wouldn't be dozens of pages deep if many other men had come to that same conclusion. The divorce stats don't lie. American men who marry women from abroad have MUCH lower divorce rates. If you go through all the hassle of marrying a woman from abroad, it is because you've done all the extra filtering and homework worth making it worth it. I'd still marry a white American girl in a heartbeat if she had the temperament of many Asian girls, and the desire to be a mother and wife to me. Those are massively tall orders for women that by and large have left that role in droves. You can't convince someone to do something they don't want to. I can't call the shots with regards to what American women want. If I find a unicorn, I'll marry her. But in the mean time, exploring foreign options is in the interest of every American man.

I agree 100% when it comes to American women. My woman is not American. I met her when I was living in South America (she is from the same town as my family). I won't say the specific country, but it is a very white country in South America, populated mostly by Europeans.

I'm would never tell any American guy not to go abroad to look for a wife. I don't think I've ever even met an American woman who I would consider wifing up, and I'm not exaggerating (oddly enough, the only woman I ever met in America who I would have considered potential wife material was a Thai girl who was in town for the summer).

I'm also not saying that you need to find a woman that exactly matches your genetic heritage. My woman doesn't completely match my heritage. I have some Jewish heritage and she doesn't. She has some Native American heritage and I don't. I was just pointing out that I was drawn to her before I knew her heritage, and then it turned out she had mostly the same heritage as me (Italian and Basque), and I don't think this was merely a coincidence. However, if it had turned out that she was half German and half Portuguese (or which I am neither), it wouldn't have made a difference to me.

I'm not here to preach against race-mixing, or anything like that. I think we should let people naturally group together however they see fit. I do, however, believe that people have a natural desire to group together with their own kind. I, personally, would not restrict myself to only dating women of the same ethnic background as me, but at the same time, I probably would not go as far as marrying an East Asian woman. They are simply too different, genetically and culturally. I would feel like I could not have a genuine connection with the woman. Plus, as I have said before, I would want my kids to look at least somewhat like me.

I certainly have sympathy for why men would look abroad for a wife. However, I have to ask myself, is East Asia the only option? What about Eastern Europe, or South America? I guess I just have a personal preference for women who are at least somewhat similar (genetically and culturally) to me, and I think it is natural to have this preference. That being said, I undertand that some men don't have this preference, and that's absolutely fine. It is certainly possible for interracial couple to be happy, as long as you both understand what you're getting into and you're both on the same page about how to handle certain problems that may come up, especially when it comes to raising children.

All fair points and brought up respectfully. I certainly think there is a case to be made for marrying someone with similar racial makeup, especially if you are in a country or plan on moving to a country where mixed children would be heavily discriminated against. Being aware of the host culture of where you plan on raising children needs to be considered. For myself personally, East Asia is not the only option. I've dated girls from all sorts of backgrounds. From personal experience, many (not all) traditional Asian women rank fairly high on the good LTR/wife scale. I'm open to Eastern Europe or South America too. The challenges with EE is that with perhaps the exception of Poland, many EE are very cold personality wise. They are smart, but often lack warmth. I say this having worked with and dated EE women. The Slavs are very often a morose bunch of people, and that's not a good fit for my warm personality. I've also found them to play more head games that Asian girls, who tend to be more straight forward. Huge generalizations? Yes. But still true in the main. As for South American women, my experience with them is limited. I'm open to dating a Latina and marrying one, but some of the more attractive ones such as Columbians (have a very bad reputation for cheating) and Argentinians (have a very bad reputation for being snobby and aloof). These are impressions after pouring over dozens of threads on these forums posted by men I trust. I haven't been down there, and I'm not writing it off completely, but I'm not all that encouraged based upon what I've read so far.

(12-29-2016 02:51 PM)El_Gostro Wrote:  

Funny that, I and my wife to be have extremely matching phenotypes and our iberian peninsula ancestry may have even originated from the same region at one point.
I do suspect our physiological similarity played a big part in the kick-off and/or the development of our Relationship.

Interestingly enough she points out her complexes and confusion of growing up a small stouter and darker girl in a land of stringy blonde blue eyed giants,even though she is already a fifth or sixth generation german so point for the issue of being the odd featherd duck.

Our main genetic differences are that I do have some SA native blood (almost impossible to tell unless you thoroughly examine my features) while she is a full european package so I guess our children will probably end up very similar looking to us.
And on that note,I would point out that no matter how odd the genetic pairing is,it will be quite easy to find the features of both parents' bloodlines in the child's genetical makeup.

I guess in the end,genetics do play an influence in your choice but by no means would I say they have the final say in the matter,and renewing blood is always a healthy thing so why not?

I've run extensive blood test for genetic makeup. Thankfully I have no markers for hereditary illnesses that are often passed on to kids. Marrying a woman with similar genetic makeup is more likely to have kids with health issues than one with very different DNA, providing she has good genes in the first place. That's where Samseau's point comes in about not slumming it. I'm tall and have brown eyes and brown hair, with pale skin. I'm very much attracted to women that share those traits. If I find a woman who looks like that, and has a traditional mindset, I'm every bit as willing to marry her as some Asian girl, all things being equal.

(12-29-2016 11:03 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

All jokes aside, the point I wanna make is that guys need to hold themselves accountable for how their kids turn out. I rarely meet a shitty kid who comes from a totally nice and normal family. If your kids turn out fucked up, then take a look in the mirror. The son is a projection of the father, not just a projection of some nebulous genetic mix that you can dial in, get it correct and then pop out perfect kids. Doesn't work that way.

My thoughts exactly. Pick the right wife, and be (or become) the right man for the job. Even wonderful parents occasionally have kids that go off the reservation. I know a wonderful set of extremely smart parents with a wonderful family overall. Eight kids in total. All of them turned out great except for one 16 year old daughter who has gone 200% SJW. Hopefully she'll grow out of it. It breaks the parents' hearts, and they are doing their best to try and love her and steer her back on track.

[limejelo]

Longtime lurker, I have posted a couple times in the past.

I'm what you would call "hapa," half Japanese half Eastern European. My father is 5ft 11 and average built, pretty alpha he was born and raised on a farm, college grad and now works in marketing. Mother was born in Japan moved here to be with my father. I'm 5ft 11 and currently 180 lbs around 11 percent bf. But I fluctuate up to 200 and 15%.

You talked about tribes never really thought about it but I'm pretty white. Born and raised here in the usa. All my friends are white except for a few blacks. No accent.

You asked about childhood. Pretty typical white kid like background tbh played football, golf, basketball, baseball, and powerlifted all through HS. Joined a frat in college. Mother was stay at home wife, dad made the bread.

Biggest con would probably be no true identification here in the US. Im pretty racially ambiguous. In the US I get a lot of where you from... In Japan most people automatically try and speak to me in English. It's no big deal. I get confused for every race under the sun. Mixed black, Hispanic, middle Eastern, Italian. You name it.

Pros most people find me pretty exotic being in a primarily white area of the US. I get a lot of perks. I mean this as I'm not polarizing. You see a black person on the street you have preconceived ideas prejudices, same with white people or Hispanics. Since I'm so racially ambiguous most people cant pin me imo. You can hear the gears grinding. Everyone needs to be able to label ya... So eventually through conversation they are able to get me to say I'm mixed Asian. But for the most part in the US they focus on my Asian side. It actually works out to my favor. They expect nerdy, effeminate, and nice. Usually because of bias of culture here in the usa. How Asians are depicted on TV.... I'm the polar opposite it works to my advantage. I'm rambling. I think that covers that bullet point.

As a bi racial kid I see no issue with race mixing. I date / get hit on pretty regularly. Just the other day a black girl said she wanted to take me home and pussy pop on a handstand. Lol. I've dated all races and I had more opportunities than most the other frat guys. This wasn't some nerd / heritage fuckig frat either. In the Philippines I had the most luck like most the people here suggest. I will say this if you are hapa or halfu... You are actually on a higher rung then white people out there unless they are looking to get preggo or want steady income from an older white guy. But the demographic I hit out there are usually middle/upper classes 18-24. Majority of cultures are influenced by what they see and what they are bombarded with in media primarily TV. In the Philippines mixed celebrities are on the news shows, modeling ads(Filipino based), and nightly entertainment. Look at Filipino big brother. All the dudes there are mixed lol. It's just fish in a barrel. Whats interesting is the white expat girls living/working there are also influenced so I actually had a fling or 2 with a few of them too. Crazy how much pull media has on us tbh. Anyways lately I'm having no problem here in the US.

[Roosh]

He got triggered solely because of this thread:

[LikeABaller]

Hahaha He called the whole forum racist because I want my son from a slav mother, this guy is fucked up in the head man. People need to understand the difference between preference and racism.

People need to understand that in some races the women are more desirable than their men.
This goes well for EE/Asia

On the other hand Black/Middle Eastern men are more succesful than their women.

[LikeABaller]

(12-29-2016 02:16 PM)realologist Wrote:  

For all you racial purity guys on here. I'm willing to bet you aren't so "pure" yourself. So why don't you put your money where you mouth is and get a 23andme DNA test and post them on this thread.

Still can't believe I have to say this and this is an issue on a forum founded on banging chicks while traveling.

[Elster]

Whichever asian banging forum member that fathered this poor youtubing soul should step up and admit responsability

[John Michael Kane]

Damn, I have my first YouTube hater! Eurasian writer, if you're still reading this, know that whinning about life doesn't change it. If you spent more time fixing yourself in the gym, financially, confidence and whatever you're currently lacking, you'd be a lot happier in life. Stop blaming your parents for everything. You are a man who can take life in his own hands.

[Mentavious]

I don't think it's difficult to bang an Asian girl if you're black. Sure it's not easier than a white guy but I'm not white so I don't know how easy it is. A lot of black men do not like Asian women in the first place so I think that adds to it. Before I joined this forum, I honestly believed Most Asian girls loved black dudes. This was just my experience when I was in high school and college

Finding one to marry is a different story is another story. The American black guys I see married to Asian girls were at least on their level or above them.

If you're a good looking guy, have your life together, and you show you can adapt to the environment then it's quite easy for a black guy to find a good Asian girl or a girl of any ethnicity

[LikeABaller]

(12-30-2016 09:28 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  

I don't think it's difficult to bang an Asian girl if you're black. Sure it's not easier than a white guy but I'm not white so I don't know how easy it is. A lot of black men do not like Asian women in the first place so I think that adds to it. Before I joined this forum, I honestly believed Most Asian girls loved black dudes. This was just my experience when I was in high school and college

Finding one to marry is a different story is another story. The American black guys I see married to Asian girls were at least on their level or above them.

If you're a good looking guy, have your life together, and you show you can adapt to the environment then it's quite easy for a black guy to find a good Asian girl or a girl of any ethnicity

Let me put it like this, being an average looking white guy in Asia is like being a blonde 7 in the west.

[Kid Twist]

(12-29-2016 09:11 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

Why is it only Hapa's take their bi-raciality as license to bitch and moan about their identity issues and lack of pussy getting? You never hear half black, half mexican, half arab, or anyone else whine with quite as much volume. If being biracial is so horrible, why's it only the half asian males who spend their time bitching on the internet? It's just another form of IRTism whining about how he will never get "blonde bombshell".


Why are we enabling this pathetic circle jerk of victimhood? What makes Hapas so uniquely noble in this respect?

Also, this shouldn't be in the game subforum as nothing about this discussion thusfar is related in any way to GAME.

Having said what I have said, I also agree with this sentiment as well.

I have to admit that I know what guys were referring to as well (on previous posts) when I read about the caucasian father "slumming" it ... rang true at least from my point of view, empirically.

[kaotic]

LMFAO

This guy thinks we're all white !

Insults: Homo, Pedo, MRA, bottom of the barrel, etc.

Typical.

He "just can't even" and speaks behind a fucking Kylo Ren mask

Sounds super triggered and sounds like a faggot.

Can you be anymore self loathing Eurasian ?

PS Preference ISN'T racism.

[Dusty]

I never knew until recently that Eddie Van Halen is a hapa. His mom is Indonesian. Here he is with his parents (and brother Alex):



Kirk Hammett from Metallica is a halfie too (Filipino mother).

[StrikeBack]

Wow that EurasianWriter kid's parents failed him in every way possible.

[iknowexactly]

(12-30-2016 12:00 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

I never knew until recently that Eddie Van Halen is a hapa. His mom is Indonesian. Here he is with his parents (and brother Alex):



Kirk Hammett from Metallica is a halfie too (Filipino mother).

Jimi Hendrix was, from one biography I read, descended on BOTH SIDES from white master / black slave relationships.

"Racial purity" freaks needs to broaden their cultural horizons by say learning some elite culture stuff like, say, gun cartridge reloading.

Not to say we need millions of Somalis hanging out here

[Excelsior]

(12-28-2016 11:52 PM)dallasguy Wrote:  

Wow you're an ignorant fool. Those white guys are banging hookers and sluts. Do you expect them to belike Saudi Arabia and cover their women up? If those women slut it up, they will be slut shamed. You have Arab, African, and Asian guys buying up white black, and Latinas. It goes both ways but for now the status, power, and money is with white guys because of the US and Europe. Women have always been attracted to those things. Look at how many black athletes have hot white women hanging on them.

(12-28-2016 11:56 PM)dallasguy Wrote:  

LOL you're full of shit. Of course there are some Asian women who like black guys. As far as all of the hot ones wanting to fuck black guys that is crap from your brain. You're a Samoan guy so you know all about East Asian culture, right? LMAO