Tons of different opinions, I appreciate everyone sharing their input and experiences. I'll try to break them down one by one. I know this is a sensitive topic, but part of what I really admire about the men of RVF is that we have different ethnic backgrounds represented here, but we all have a strong desire to determine the truth. My goal is not to extol one race over the other, but examine the pros, cons and neutrals of Western men giving serious consideration to marrying and having kids with an Asian woman. I don't think kids are a "side-effect" of marriage.
They are the REASON for marriage.
My own father has many wonderful alpha and beta traits that he taught me. I want to pass on excellent parenting to my future children regardless if I marry some lily white redhead or a Vietnamese girl. The values instilled to them matter greatly, but I'm not naive as to think consideration shouldn't be paid for marrying into or having kids with a woman from a different culture. This discussion is to determine what works and what doesn't, because at the end of the day we should be pragmatic men.
Quote: (12-27-2016 12:00 AM)Bobb Johnson Wrote:
OP,
I think it will come down to how you raise your hapa kids but more importantly the environment they grow up in.
You need to accept that your hapa kids will have some issues and growing pains; whether they grow up in the East or West. It may be grave or may be a thorn in their side, it depends.
I've seen this with immigrants in the US where their kids have a clash of cultures; home culture, American culture and peer pressure of being a teenager. Many of them turn out alright if not better than their US peers, while others have gone a different direction.
Like I said it is up to you. I don't think it is the end of the world, it'll just be a different set of challenges. It seems you're already aware of them which is good start.
Yes, my gut instinct is to say that there can be some growing pains, no matter what culture they are brought up in, especially the formative years. I'm of the belief that challenges can harden a person and make them more resilient if you give them proper guidance. I believe this to be true regardless if your kids are mono-racial or bi-racial. I'm trying to wrap my head around those with first-hand experience with this topic. To me, the whole point of marriage is to be a strong patriarch to your wife and children. I'm not a sloppy beta male with a fetish for Asian women. I greatly respect and admire certain aspects of Asian cultures. In several Asian countries, family values are still far stronger than they are than the vast majority of the West. I consider wife shopping to be like a buffet. There are lots of different flavors to choose from, both from an ethnic standpoint, as well as cultural. It makes the most sense to pick a woman who is compatible with your values.
Quote: (12-27-2016 12:39 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
in my humble opinion, i don't think that an half Asian/half White child will face that much discrimination overall. My belief about raising successful half breed kids is that you need to prepare them since discrimination & comments about that aspect are sure to come up. Due to that, they won't be the happiest kids on the block since the "death of their innocence" will come at a much earlier age then most kids... but at least you're gearing them up for success.
As someone who will probably have bi-racial children, I'm not taking the chance of them being naive, sensitive & then get blindsided by some of the hatred that out there. He'll get it straight while he's young, and have the tools to maturely deal with it. Strongly suggest you do the same even though the discrimination might not be as high as a bi-racial kid from Black descent.
Your sentiment echos some of my own thinking in that they will probably learn to toughen up sooner rather than later if they face some discrimination. That's where I think good parenting from two strong parents, especially led by a father that teaches children not to let bullies get under their skin. You mentioned you're likely to have bi-racial children. Any particular reason why? What race are you, and what race do you think the future mother of your children will be? If you could expound more, I'd appreciate it.
Quote: (12-27-2016 01:06 AM)dallasguy Wrote:
Some HAPA guys end up fine and some are rejects. That Elliot Rodgers kid was a loser because he didn't learn game. He seemed like a good looking guy. Russell Wong, Brandon Lee, and Mark Paul Gosselaar are HAPA. Most HAPA girls are hot. HAPA kids do fine if you raise them right.
Elliot Rodgers is a truly extreme example. I read a lot about that tragic circumstance and ultimately had the following takeaways:
1. His dad was an absent workaholic that slaved away in Hollywood. This is a massive risk factor for any child, regardless of being mono-racial or bi-racial. I blame the dad for failing to be a good father. I recall in reading Elliot's manifesto that his teenage sister was getting banged out by some dude in their home (of course with dad absent). The dad was a complete failure from what I can tell.
2. The mom was a nasty piece of work. Self-centered and didn't care much for her children.
3. Elliot himself had a strange obsession with white, blonde women. I'm not inside his head and can't tell if he was rejecting his Asian side or whatever. I do recall him making some nasty statements about black guys, and why they shouldn't be allowed near white women that he believed should be reserved for himself. The kid, despite having good looks, a father with a degree of fame, wealth and the opportunity to attend a true party school in Santa Barbara still couldn't find success with women of any color. He was truly mentally ill from what I can tell, and teaching him game was out of the question. Perhaps if both his parents had raised him better he wouldn't have gone down that dark slippery slope. I'm still not convinced that he shot everyone because "Angry Hapa Man" was going through his head.
I'd like to believe that well-intentioned (and grounded) father and mother of two different cultures can raise children successfully, as you highlighted in the case of the other examples in your post. Regardless of the racial makeup of your children, boys need to be taught masculinity and girls femininity. That's why you need a masculine and involved father, and a feminine and nurturing mother.
Quote: (12-27-2016 01:06 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:
I would like to address the elephant in the room, Elliot Roger. His father did a shitty job raising him and was a mostly absent father. When he should have been at home seeing to his family he decided to chase his dreams instead of focusing on his family like a man. Chasing your dreams, traveling the world, and trying to make a movie is great if you are single without children-but once you have kids you need to do your job as father and create stability.
Co-sign, which is what more or less my response to Dallasguy. I'm not sure Elliot stepped off the deep end due to being hapa, but rather because of a combo of two lousy parents, a massive sense of entitlement (he called himself The Perfect Gentlemen) and some sort of mental illness.
Quote: (12-27-2016 01:19 AM)Maxzilla Wrote:
Interracial child = you are the literal product of a racial fetishization/inferiority complex. Do what you want in terms of just dating but think carefully before producing a child. Writing the Youtuber off because he's "self-loathing" means you can't stomach his uncomfortable truths. Of course he's self-loathing, that's his whole point - he's warning others so they can avoid it. I know a fair bit about this first hand because I have mixed raced cousins.
While I don't doubt that there are some married couples that got hitched due to a racial fetish, I do not accept that argument wholesale. Myself personally, I've dated women of all different kinds of backgrounds and races. I don't have a strong preference for Asians due to "Asianness", but rather the cultural values that are attached with a more traditional country, as most Asian cultures are still more family-oriented than the decadent West. As a man who is highly selective in choosing the right woman for the job, I am not going to write off a huge shopping ground of potentially traditional women.
I'm sure there are white beta and omega males that are obessed with tentacle porn and speak four different tonal languages because of their obsession with the East. That's not me, nor is it the average man posting in the Wife Hunting Abroad thread. Regarding the "self-loathing" comment, it isn't about stomaching uncomfortable truths. That guy sounds like he hates both his father and mother, for different reasons. He describes his father as weak, and his mom obsessed with white men. If what he is saying is true, then his parents are dysfunctional. Does the unhappy hapa syndrome come from two bad parents, not due to their bi-racial makeup? Assuming everything that video maker says is true, it sounds like neither his father or mother were strong parents. Kids with mono-racial weak parents face the same issues IMHO.
I'm not discounting that raising kids from two different cultures isn't without challenges. I started this thread to discover those challenges, and how to best mitigate them if I, or any other man, marries an Asian girl. Saying it can't work at all is a gross generalization, just like saying there where will be no challenges would be. I'm interested in finding out what makes it work for the families that DO MAKE IT WORK.
I'd also appreciate it if you expound as to why IT DOES NOT WORK in the case of your cousins. Please share more when you get the chance. Details matter.
Quote: (12-27-2016 01:30 AM)Cumulonimbus Wrote:
Quote: (12-26-2016 11:02 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:
If I had a son I would want it from a slav mother, if I had a daughter I would want it from an Asian mother.
I think that too but imho it's not just about the looks. From personal experience I get the feeling that Asian women raise their children emphasising character traits like expressiveness and verbality (good for girls) whereas Eastern European women raise their children emphasising character traits like independence and self reliance (good for boys). If it were possible, I would pick an EE woman with the character and aging of an Asian woman. Whichever the case, there needs to be a solid-red-pill father to steer the boat in the right direction and prepare any bi-racial children of eventual shit that might be thrown at them down the road.
I think it's an interesting topic and would be great to hear opinions/experiences on the matter.
At the risk of generalizing, I think it really depends upon the specific culture you're talking about, not just Asia as a whole. The average Korean is very introverted and quiet when compared against your average Filipino. I've been on plane flights dominated by those two groups. The noise levels are palpable. I do think that Slavs tend to be very direct with their children. There isn't the pampering you see with the more Anglo parents further West. The kids turn out more street smart on average, but as Roosh has noted in other posts, many Slavic cultures aren't exactly the most warm or welcoming to strangers. I very strongly agree that regardless of the racial makeup of parents, it needs to be led by a strong, benevolent alpha male father figure, and a sweet, nurturing woman of feminine disposition.
Quote: (12-27-2016 04:52 AM)JWLZG Wrote:
Quote: (12-27-2016 01:19 AM)Maxzilla Wrote:
Interracial child = you are the literal product of a racial fetishization/inferiority complex[....] I know a fair bit about this first hand because I have mixed raced cousins.
Your first hand knowledge via your mixed cousins gave you licence to write off every Hapa union in one stroke.
Quote: (12-26-2016 10:40 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:
OP snip
The "angry hapa guy" phenomenon seems to be exclusive to the US. I went to school with 5 Hapa guys, and all of the turned out well-adjusted, successful WRT their peer group, for that matter. I remember one of them was even popular with the ladies. From what I know of their parents: Their mums are Sri Lankan, Chinese (x2), Japanese, Vietnamese and none of them were the stereotype of the "impoverished gold-digging village girl wanting to avoid her beta countrymen" — one of them was a Japanese teacher at our school, and another taught Chinese elsewhere. Likewise, their fathers didn't fit the "skinny beta white nerd" stereotype; one of them was our Headmaster.
I've gotten to know other half Asian-white kids (some of them were Asian on their father's side) over the years, but I brought up those five specifically because I knew them the longest.
And while you gave a reasonable explanation about Hapa girls fitting into society (any one) better than their brothers, I can't fully buy that belief. Children (in this day and age, like it or not) are primarily a product of their culture, and to a lesser extent their fathers' influence. They'll identify with the dominant cultural narrative they grew up in, not some Blood and Soil concept of racial identity that hardly belongs in an extremely multicultural society like America. What is to say that a hapa boy's Asianess is dominant enough for him to feel the supposed cultural stigma against Asian men? Should not full-blooded Asian guys in America experience the similar level of cultural tension being born of two separate cultures?
My original post used a few extreme examples (the guy in the first video complaining about his parents, and Elliot Rodgers). I don't believe these are representative of the whole, but something that a man considering marrying a woman of a different race needs to be aware of. I think fathers need to build a positive masculine identity for their sons. Here in the United States, Asians are treated mostly as a the kids who do well in school and stay out of trouble with the law. There aren't a whole lot of negative stereotypes about Asians in the USA. If anything, they are really underrepresented in movies, tv shows and also popular culture like fashion models. Asian men have been undersold especially. It is my opinion, that Asian or half-Asian men can sometimes build resentment over this if it isn't checked. Trust me when I say I'm not trying to put down Asian guys. I want all my Asian men friends to be successful in all areas of their lives. In fact, most of the ones I know are highly successful. The vast majority of them are married with intact families and stable careers. I'd say most of them are more beta, but they aren't simps either. They've found their grove and I'm happy for them. I'm just aware that
some Asian (or half-Asian) men in the United States seem to have inferiority complexes.
I once had a Korean friend who was adopted by a white family, here in the United States. His Korean parents gave him up at birth, he was an unplanned pregnancy. This guy had all kinds of identity issues, as you would expect from a child abandoned by his own family. On top of that, he was very short (maybe 5'6") and also was a massive pussy pedestalizer. He let women use his money, apartment, car, etc. just so he thought he could get a chance at sleeping with them. His groveling was massively unsuccessful. I felt pity for him and tried to teach him that he needed a better internal frame before any woman would be attracted to him. I advised him to go to the gym, dress better, cut back on drinking so much, etc. He totally lashed out at me. What did I know? I'm a tall white male! (True, but there are plenty of tale white males with zero game or social skills). He lambasted me with how easy everything is for me, blah, blah, blah. He sent me random nasty messages at 3am. No matter how nice I was to him, he just bit back. I have no interest in being his punching bag, so I advised him to see a therapist and cut him out of my social circle. I feel more pity than anger for the guy, as he has a lot of demons. Is he representative of the average Asian-American or half-Asian experience? Thankfully no!
Still, the whole reason I brought this thread up was because if I do marry an Asian woman, and have half-Asian kids, I want them to grow up happy and strong. This includes both sons and daughters. It is my theory that Asian or half-Asian boys especially need a strong father figure, as being Asian isn't the dominant culture outside of Asia. Duh! They need masculine guidance to avoid slipping into beta and omega traits that epitomize the stereotype of the Asian guy who is a geek or nerd with no social skills, or worse yet, a school shooter. A half-Asian son is still my flesh and blood, and I sure as hell aren't going to set him up for failure. I wouldn't go through all the trouble to create a thread and post long replies if I wasn't interested in knowing how to avoid the pitfalls. I believe that an active father is the best formation for children, regardless of race. I do wish that Asian men (or half-Asian men) in the United States had better representation in the border culture. I think it is rather disgraceful that they aren't represented better. Hopefully that changes.
Quote: (12-27-2016 05:39 AM)TTQQTT Wrote:
I grew up as a bi-racial kid in EE. If you can take a joke (some very offensive and racist jokes) you'll be fine. Now that I'm older, I realize I can't blame my "race" for any of my problems.
What is your racial mix? What do you look like? I'd imagine quite a bit different than the ethic EE's you were living amongst? There's no excuse for kids being nasty for the sake of being nasty, but it sounds like you grew thicker skin because of it. Do you believe your parents did a good job raising you, given the different racial or cultural backgrounds? If you could explain more, that would be great. My hat is also off to you regarding acceptance that you are responsible for your own destiny, not using your race as a crutch. Did you have a particular Eureka moment?
Quote: (12-27-2016 05:42 AM)262 Wrote:
This thread belongs in Everything Excrement, not Game.
Edit: If this thread stays in Game, then the Game solution is to make sure you raise your kids so they aren't punk-ass bitches. Teach them Game (Girl Game for girls), travel with them (so they learn how to take risks, etc.), and get them physically and mentally fit.
I agree strongly with you to raise kids to be strong. My father did that with us as children, so I'm thankful to have a great example. My kids will not be bitches. Still, I'm interested in knowing what special challenges (or opportunities for growth) come from having bi-racial children? We've talked a lot about the negatives, but I also would counter that your kids learning multiple languages and cultures can also be a benefit later in life. I want to know the tradeoffs, as do other men considering marrying outside of the West.
Quote: (12-27-2016 06:07 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:
When the OP first posted this, I subscribed to this thread because I thought he was asking a legit question.
I hope this thread doesn't fall apart, as many race-related threads have.
Although I'm not mixed race myself, I grew up in a different culture than the one my parents were born into.
This isn't a race-baiting thread. Anyone who starts crap around here tends to be dealt quick rebukes by the mods. One of the reasons why I've stuck around RVF is that the vast majority of men here argue civilly. We're opinionated, but not without manners.
Quote: (12-27-2016 06:45 AM)Excelsior Wrote:
Quote: (12-26-2016 11:13 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:
I'm not black, but have read plenty of the black guys on this forum who have spent time in Asia have mixed reviews as to whether or not they were welcomed, abused or treated as an exotic treat. I'm interested in finding out what the general issues are regarding bi-racial marriages with a pairing of an Asian mother and some type of non-Asian father.
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Asian people are very racist toward non whites so theres that, didnt surprise me that those chinese-african kids faced discrimination.
Well, there's certainly not denying that there are racial biases against black dudes. I'm not black, so obviously my experiences in Asia are from my white perspective. For any black guy considering marrying an Asian woman, he probably has extra hurdles to make it work, but if he's determined enough not to settle for the average black woman here in America (overweight and not very feminine), then he's probably used to pulling extra weight to get what he wants. Any black men here want to comment?
All of my upcoming comments are based off of second hand knowledge, as well as some first-hand experience with asian-american women. Take it for what it's worth (grains of salt and all that).
Whiteness is, in a very general sense, the preference in Asia. I think this phenomenon is well known and well documented both here and elsewhere, so I shouldn't need to expand on it too much. It is fetishized and sought after more than anything else, and the "White god" factor is real.
This being said, there's variation by culture/nation with regard to the desirability of black men and the acceptability of dating them.
My general impression has been that The Philippines is the nation where black men are most desired and dating them most acceptable.
Korea seems to be the worst - stigmas seem stronger there than many other parts of East/Southeast Asia.
Korea is actually one of the most virulently racist places on Earth. To give you an idea of what I mean, consider this fact: in Korea, the military still uses mandatory conscription for all nationals. Until a few years ago, it was illegal for those of mixed race to serve in the Korean military - they could not be conscripted because being of mixed race was considered to be in the same category of other disqualifying "defects" like alcoholism, criminality, physical disorders, etc. Thus, mixed-race Koreans were exempted from conscription. The law has only recently been amended such that mixed folks can legally serve.
Let that sink in for a second: Korea was so virulently opposed to the existence of mixed race Koreans that it wouldn't even allow them to die in service of it until very recently.
Here's a reddit thread where you can find some comments detailing the nature of the bias against blacks in Korea from a romantic perspective. Bias exists against all non-Koreans in Korea, but it is much greater when it comes to blacks who are generally considered to be at the bottom of every totem pole in the Korean mind. You'll find few places in the developed world with similar levels of bigotry.
Thailand, Japan, and China seem generally more open and tolerant with regard to black men than Korea, though stigmas are still strong. Reports I read from black men who spend time in those nations seem far more positive than those in Korea - I actually don't think I've ever read a trip report/journal from a black male visiting Korea that was anything more than "eh" from a romantic sense. Most weren't positive at all.
So, to summarize, Filipinas are pretty open and put up fewer hurdles for black men. East Asia is harder, but the highest hurdles are probably on the Korean peninsula - Japan and China have some potential but there seem to be more hurdles there than in The Philippines. If you're black and you are looking to Asia as a romantic destination, The Philippines appears to be the safest bet and you should ignore South Korea entirely.
My first hand experiences with Asian American women line up with this for the most part: Asian-American girls with Southeast Asian (Mostly Filipina, but also Thai and Cambodian) backgrounds seem to be the most open, while East Asian (Japanese/Korean/Chinese-American) girls appear less so. The East Asian Americans seem significantly more open than their peers back in their ancestral homelands, but many of the racialist dating preferences do remain - they show an extremely strong preference for whites and some of the stigmas I described above are present among them to a greater degree than you might see within other American groups (especially if they were raised by parents who were born/raised back in the far east - those stigmas die hard and if they love their parents they will think twice about getting serious with a guy whose background is likely to instantly piss them off the minute she brings him home).
Below is a flow chart designed as a mock "dating guide" for your typical California Bay Area Asian girl. It is meant as a joke, but there are kernels of truth in it that are relevant and probably speak at least somewhat accurately to the real life openness/preferences of the average East Asian-American in the states.
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TL;DR (to summarize the chart): Whites are preference #1 by a wide margin, while Asians and Blacks can get by after clearing significantly higher hurdles. The Filipinas have lower hurdles for black men than others.
Again, this is just my general impression of the Asian scene for black males and most of it is coming from secondhand observation (talking to peers with firsthand experience, reading reports/journals/blogs, etc), so take it with a grain of salt. Hopefully some of the black males in the community with more Asia experience (paging TravelerKai) can chime in and add more accurate firsthand perspectives and/or correct anything I missed/got wrong above.
Interesting story regarding Korean conscription. That's rather amazing they didn't accept mixed race soldiers for the draft until so late. Granted, we had segregation here in the United States for people still alive in our lifetimes. I have minimal time spent in Korea, and have never dated a Korean woman. As a white man, I've often wondered if I entered into a relationship with a traditional Korean woman, would she be able to convince even more traditional parents that we were a good match? Seems like a tall order, even for a white man. I'm under no illusions that it would probably be an uphill battle, despite the fact that I like several aspects of Korean culture. If a man was to seriously consider a Korean woman as his wife, he better speak Korean is my gut feeling. Doing so will allow him a greater opportunity to diffuse any tension with the potential in-laws.
My knowledge regarding thailand, Japan and China is fairly limited, but certainly more open than Korea, no doubt based upon what I've read. Regarding the Philippines, there's a huge White God factor there, but there's also something I'd call The Tall Factor. Any black dude is more likely than not quite taller than your average pinoy man. That alone is a huge status symbol if a girl is open to dating black guys. I've talked with tons of Filipinas, and been in a relationship with one. By and large, they love pale white skin, but they also love height and strength. Most Filipino guys are shorter and skinny in comparison to your average Western dude. I'd still consider them some of the warmest women in the world, just that a man has to be careful to do a lot of screening for scams, broken families and the like. There's more dysfunction in the Philippines that meets the eye at first glance, but doesn't mean that there aren't diamonds in the rough.
I have a moderate amount of Asian friends. Most of the Filipinas married other Filipinos, or white guys. A fairly even split. Most of the Vietnamese overwhelmingly married other Viets. One or two rare examples of them marrying white guys. By and large, the Viets are very proud of their culture and language, especially the ones that are more traditional. Don't really know any Thai-Americans. Dated a Chinese-American girl for a while. She was originally setup to date some millionaire Chinese dude and get married to him by her parents orders. She revolted, then met me. Rich kid with a nice apartment in the heart of the Chicago Loop. She told me she wasn't opposed to dating Chinese men, and actually appreciates her Chinese heritage, but dislikes the pushy nature of in-laws and family members. I slow-played the relationship without a lot of pressure and she greatly appreciated it. Most of the Koreans I know have married other Koreans, with the occasional white guy thrown in the mix. Finally, I know a white guy that married a lady from Nepal. They have three supermodel beautiful daughters. Very well-behaved and mature young ladies. Two strong parents with similar values, and three wonderful kids are the result. That's the only hapa family I know of with close personal contact, which is why I'm hoping to solicit more stories from others to get a consensus on how these families work (or don't work).
Your flowchart regarding SF Asian girls is right on, with some exaggeration IMHO. Asian-American girls in the SF Bay Area have a thing for white guys, no doubt. That being said, a lot of them are SJW's and feminists. Their being Asian doesn't necessarily give you traditional Asian values that make for wife status. Then again, anyone crazy enough to try and raise kids in the zoo that is San Francisco should get their head checked out.
Quote: (12-27-2016 07:18 AM)username Wrote:
Quote: (12-26-2016 11:13 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:
In the Philippines especially, pretty much all their celebs are half-white. Seems to be a huge bonus there, whereas I think it might be more a negative in a more "tribal" country like South Korea or China?
I agree with the Philippines part.
I can't speak about any other Asian countries but I do know the Philippines very well. In the Philippines being half white/half Filipino male or female is positive. I've asked several Filipinas what they think about half white/half Filipino guys and they all speak positively about them and how they are taller than regular Filipino guys, have nice face, skin, and features, are almost always handsome, etc.
One of the girls even told me she avoids half white/half Filipino guys. Why? She said they are handsome but they are all players and have lots of girls.
Meanwhile if you dropped that same guy in the United States there is a high percentage he would be an outcast or struggle with his identity. Even worse as mentioned above Asian girls, white girls, pretty much all girls would avoid him.
I agree with the first half of your post. Echos my own personal experience talking with Filipinas. Not sure I'm convinced a half-Filipino guy here in the US is an outcast though. Maybe if he had a weak ass father? I do think there is a certain subset of white beta and omega males that treat the Philippines and Filipinas as a "last ditch resort" for finding a wife. These guys have no game or internal frame, which is obviously bad when you have kids, especially to trying to raise masculine, confident sons. Are you sure that these half-Filipino guys that struggle aren't weak because of their mixed racial background, but rather because their fathers collectively might not be the most masculine men around? I'd like to hear your counter-argument.
Quote: (12-27-2016 07:39 AM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:
OP,
The fact that you put so much thought into this issue means you most likely won't raise disfunctional hapa children. I think it is the lack of foresight that causes these issues more than "people are racists".
That's my plan. Research and act with knowledge in hand. At 32 years of age, I don't want to wait forever to have kids. Asian women in general are more accepting of age differences in a relationship than most white women. In the West, it is harder to find a 20 year old traditional girl who wants to date and get married. There's far too many white women sleeping around with 8-10 guys prior to marriage. These aren't even the "bad" girls per se, but girls with weakened pair-bonded ability. By the time they are 27-30 and looking to settle down, they are high-risk IMHO. That's part of the reason why Asian women have some level of appeal for wife status. Their traditional parents encourage them to marry young, and often slut shame even for sleeping with a boyfriend! I know two separate Vietnamese girls. Both with one boyfriend, both only with that one sexual partner. Both have received a lot of heat from parents! One of the girls even told me she is worried that no man would ever want her because she slept with her ex-bf, and she's no single. This is a girl who is a HB 7 and sweet as a doll. Super affectionate, wants to have children and get married more than anything else in the world. She's only 19. How many attractive 19 year old American girls with one lifetime sexual partner feels badly about not waiting till marriage to sleep with a man? How many 19 year old women are even thinking about a relationship in the West, much less marriage? Culture matters, because it forms both men and women.
Quote: (12-27-2016 04:32 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:
No need to be PC about it, white males are the most sought after group in basically every continent from South America to Africa.In Philippines being white is like playing Doom 2 on god mode.
Maybe the only exception is Middle East, but then again girls there are probably scared of dating white guys out of fear of being labelled as a slut/infidel. A lot of middle eastern girls end up with whites in the west.
Yes, white men are considered attractive in many places throughout the world. I'm blessed to be tall, white and decent looking. Still, I'm not here to coast on my looks. Not looking for a woman who just wants exotic white cock. Filipinas, in some instances just lose it to sleep with a relatively handsome white guy. It is insane how much action you can get there just by showing up. I've had at least 3 or 4 women ask me very frankly if I was in their city or visiting soon for the SOLE PURPOSE of sleeping with me, and giving them a beautiful half-white baby. You probably wouldn't believe the stories unless I showed you the Viber messages, but it is true. While a bit flattering, these aren't the kinds of women I'd want to marry. As brought up by other posters, I want a marriage of respect and understanding, not purely a fetish. This goes both ways.
As for middle-eastern girls, there are very few of them where I live in the United States, so my experience with them is limited. The more traditional ones I've bumped into tend to stick with their own tribe. They have a very strong ethnic identity as a whole.
Quote: (12-27-2016 05:35 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:
Quote: (12-27-2016 05:19 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:
I'm not Asian
I'm a Middle Eastern who could pass off as white in Asia.
And I'm not shitting on blacks, I'm actually disgusted at the racist attitude of Asians towards Indians/Africans.
I was just making a point on how the mixed race kids who faced discrimination in Asia had Black fathers.
I will say of the Asian people, Japanese (maybe Koreans) are the only Asians that seem to stand up for themselves and make an attempt to protect their women and culture. It makes sense, Koreans are some crazy macho mother fuckers and so are lots of Japanese dudes. They are also the only Asian countries ballsy enough to fight (and win) wars against white, western countries. It's no wonder Japanese seem to give a fairer shake to blacks, they have enough pride in themselves to lend a hand.
The rest of the Asian countries are bitch-made. Thailand, China, Philippines etc.
Koreans seem to be extremely proud of their culture, something I don't hold against them, if they could tone down on some of the more extreme versions of it. I've read multiple stories on RVF about Korean guys trying to cock block western men from dating "their women". Possessive to the point of absurdity if you ask me. Nobody is "your woman" unless you are her boyfriend or husband.
As for Japanese men, they seem more meek to me on the whole. There are no doubt Japanese alphas, but with so many of them never having had a relationship before or huge numbers of 40 year old virgins, I'm not sure that Japan is as alpha as you make them out to be. This current generation of Japanese men don't resemble the badasses that gave American G.I.'s hell in the Pacific Theater during WWII. If anything, Japanese men seem very polite, especially if you take the time to learn the language and interact with them.
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