[Lino]

(11-19-2016 01:45 PM)KingTut Wrote:  

******I get around this problem by not rolling up with other blacks*********
As a brother, I find this comment very "interesting".
I have spent time in Europe: Paris, Berlin and Prague. I have Africans and African Americans friends. All well-educated professionals. We did well. We did not have to parse the whole African/African American label, because each one of us was solid individually.
You know what we had in common? The pride in who we are and the "cool" factor. "Walk like you belong", was our motto.
The problem is trying too hard to fit in and seeing yourself through other ll eyes. First the insecurity sets in, then you start questioning your being and people who look like you or whom you might be associated with.

Hmm so you have been to Paris, Berlin and Prague...and you think you have enough knowledge of Germany to give a lesson of "pride" and "embrace yourself and be a real man" to the opener????

What he says has nothing to do with pride, you have been to big cities famous Worldwide, go to a smaller city in these same countries, especially in Germany, and you'll see indeed if Jürgen the bouncer gives a shit about you being an educated well dressed and cool professional, all they see is a black guy and believe me in their mind it's not even the word black if you see what I mean.

I spent time in Berlin and in smaller cities, Berlin is an exception in Germany in terms of coolness and openness, actually many germans themselves say that Berlin is almost not Germany.

We aren't here to judge each other or give lessons, we try to give useful info and share our experiences, the op with his 6 years on the ground has probably more experience than you about the "real" Germany, just respect that. He doesn't seem ashamed or trying to fit at all costs in the "white society", just smart enough to find ways to get what he wants.

If we all start having these judgemental attitudes people will think twice before making datasheets, just saying...

[TigerTim]

(11-20-2016 06:28 AM)Lino Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 01:45 PM)KingTut Wrote:  

******I get around this problem by not rolling up with other blacks*********
As a brother, I find this comment very "interesting".
I have spent time in Europe: Paris, Berlin and Prague. I have Africans and African Americans friends. All well-educated professionals. We did well. We did not have to parse the whole African/African American label, because each one of us was solid individually.
You know what we had in common? The pride in who we are and the "cool" factor. "Walk like you belong", was our motto.
The problem is trying too hard to fit in and seeing yourself through other ll eyes. First the insecurity sets in, then you start questioning your being and people who look like you or whom you might be associated with.

Hmm so you have been to Paris, Berlin and Prague...and you think you have enough knowledge of Germany to give a lesson of "pride" and "embrace yourself and be a real man" to the opener????

What he says has nothing to do with pride, you have been to big cities famous Worldwide, go to a smaller city in these same countries, especially in Germany, and you'll see indeed if Jürgen the bouncer gives a shit about you being an educated well dressed and cool professional, all they see is a black guy and believe me in their mind it's not even the word black if you see what I mean.

I spent time in Berlin and in smaller cities, Berlin is an exception in Germany in terms of coolness and openness, actually many germans themselves say that Berlin is almost not Germany.

We aren't here to judge each other or give lessons, we try to give useful info and share our experiences, the op with his 6 years on the ground has probably more experience than you about the "real" Germany, just respect that. He doesn't seem ashamed or trying to fit at all costs in the "white society", just smart enough to find ways to get what he wants.

If we all start having these judgemental attitudes people will think twice before making datasheets, just saying...

Its true Germans have the preference over non-germans, only BERLIN being the exception because it barely feels like germany... And its not only with blacks but anybody not fully german, either non linguistically, culturally or ethnically german will run disadvantage over the true germans. And germans dont see themselves as "white" but as "german", an italian or an eastern european will always feel like an outsider in germany, heck even my dutch friends and guys from scandinavia dont feel 100% at home here even coming from similar cultural/linguisticla background and societies with akin social dynamics. Germany is in its self-destructive process anyways... admitting so many refugees and other people that shouldnt be here to begin with will inevitably change this country forever.

[Lino]

(11-20-2016 06:24 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 07:16 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

Thanks for a very good datasheet. Though the place itself sounds awful. Very similar to what I have to say about Sweden after 3 years.

Im interested in hearing thhe swedish version of this.

I am actually also interested, I spent 8 months in Stockholm and loved it, attitude of swedes was extremely frustrating at times and I don't know how I would have felt if I stayed for years but during these months I was a happy man, thank you Sweden.

I had friends who hated it also, I am always interested in knowing why.

[Lino]

(11-20-2016 06:37 AM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 06:28 AM)Lino Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 01:45 PM)KingTut Wrote:  

******I get around this problem by not rolling up with other blacks*********
As a brother, I find this comment very "interesting".
I have spent time in Europe: Paris, Berlin and Prague. I have Africans and African Americans friends. All well-educated professionals. We did well. We did not have to parse the whole African/African American label, because each one of us was solid individually.
You know what we had in common? The pride in who we are and the "cool" factor. "Walk like you belong", was our motto.
The problem is trying too hard to fit in and seeing yourself through other ll eyes. First the insecurity sets in, then you start questioning your being and people who look like you or whom you might be associated with.

Hmm so you have been to Paris, Berlin and Prague...and you think you have enough knowledge of Germany to give a lesson of "pride" and "embrace yourself and be a real man" to the opener????

What he says has nothing to do with pride, you have been to big cities famous Worldwide, go to a smaller city in these same countries, especially in Germany, and you'll see indeed if Jürgen the bouncer gives a shit about you being an educated well dressed and cool professional, all they see is a black guy and believe me in their mind it's not even the word black if you see what I mean.

I spent time in Berlin and in smaller cities, Berlin is an exception in Germany in terms of coolness and openness, actually many germans themselves say that Berlin is almost not Germany.

We aren't here to judge each other or give lessons, we try to give useful info and share our experiences, the op with his 6 years on the ground has probably more experience than you about the "real" Germany, just respect that. He doesn't seem ashamed or trying to fit at all costs in the "white society", just smart enough to find ways to get what he wants.

If we all start having these judgemental attitudes people will think twice before making datasheets, just saying...

Its true Germans have the preference over non-germans, only BERLIN being the exception because it barely feels like germany... And its not only with blacks but anybody not fully german, either non linguistically, culturally or ethnically german will run disadvantage over the true germans. And germans dont see themselves as "white" but as "german", an italian or an eastern european will always feel like an outsider in germany, heck even my dutch friends and guys from scandinavia dont feel 100% at home here even coming from similar cultural/linguisticla background and societies with akin social dynamics. Germany is in its self-destructive process anyways... admitting so many refugees and other people that shouldnt be here to begin with will inevitably change this country forever.

True, if you look south european you might have hard time getting in the clubs as well, I remember one evening I was in Hamburg with a black friend, I usually don't go to clubs but my friend wanted to spend the night out so we went to that famous big street packed with clubs (I found most people cheap there tbh), we manage to get in a latino club and the bouncer acted as if he was doing us a big favor " where are you from? "Show me your passport", hesitating a lot, then finally letting us in, " no troubles ok?"...I heard stories about turks grabbing girls asses in clubs so I guess that explains it a bit...

[kirdiesel]

Berlin is only place ive been to here that didn't really feel like Germany and thats why I have always recommended it for brothers looking to come to Germany the first time. The only problem is that it is overrun by hipster and not the best quality of girls from I have been hearing from the sheets on here.

Its very hard to integrate here and it is true you will never be seen as a German even though you might even be born here. I mean even one of the guys who perpetrated an attack in southern Germany complained about this.

What Lino is saying is accurate.. even down to the bouncer saying "no troubles ok" I have THE SAME experience in my home city. You could work for Goldman Sachs, be making 200K plus a year and pull up to a club here and still not get in... You are a black man and that is that. This is why I posted my quick guide on how best to get past this problem. When they see you with other white German guys they assume you are better integrated.

I am somewhat in support of the refugees. I wish they would VET them better but ultimately I am in support of them. People here are not tolerant enough of other cultures and they need to get with the times. I am NOT for a muslim takeover of the country but as I said before im from NYC and a fan of diversity. When the Syrians finally settle in and make up ground in the country its going to help all minorities.

[Fortis]

Damn, sometimes the experiential dichotomy is fascinating. On the one hand, you have guys saying Germany is this great, open-minded paradise for black men and on the other hand, you got dudes saying bouncers are vetting you like it's 1950's America. Not here to judge it, just pointing it out. I'm gonna show up some day, but good to know what to expect.

Thanks for the datasheet.

[Brosemite]

(11-20-2016 10:31 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Damn, sometimes the experiential dichotomy is fascinating. On the one hand, you have guys saying Germany is this great, open-minded paradise for black men and on the other hand, you got dudes saying bouncers are vetting you like it's 1950's America. Not here to judge it, just pointing it out. I'm gonna show up some day, but good to know what to expect.

Thanks for the datasheet.

From what I gather on Germany from testimonies of my peers that have been there:

1) White girls are open-minded about dating outside their race. Can be an underrated gold mind in that sense.
2) However, certain upscale nightlife venues can be selective as even many well to do white guys can be turned away at those venues as knowing the right people pays huge dividends. Race is also taken into consideration of "face control" in this process as well.

In that sense, this would exactly resemble the experience I had when visiting a Russian city few years back.

[Fortis]

^ Thanks, Brosemite. I'm gonna show up either way. I've decided the best travel policy is:

"fuck it! I'll do it live."

-Bill O'Reilly

[coverdoc]

I appreciate the sharing of the experiences, but @Lino you need to realize that just because people say they would react differently doesn't mean they are downplaying the experiences of others.

Kirdiesel and I have spoken about this a few times, we agree to disagree on the matter.

I for one will never ever in my life beg/subject myself to subtle belitteling to be let into any fucking night club, where I have to spend more money on drinks and try to pull some chick. Too many people forget that at the end of the day you are a paying customer as well. If some clown says to me "You can come in, but no trouble." I will ask him to repeat it, then kindly take my ID back and leave. No complaining, no running to social media and no civil suits. Fuck it. It's not a race thing, it's a "my" pride as a man thing. If you as an individual decide to stay there, good on you. That's "your" way of doing things. Not a bad or a good thing, just your thing. Same way some of my friends say I'm crazy for leaving a date if a chick uses her phone more than 2x infront of me after I asked her not to. It's "my" pride thing.

-CD

[kirdiesel]

(11-20-2016 10:31 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Damn, sometimes the experiential dichotomy is fascinating. On the one hand, you have guys saying Germany is this great, open-minded paradise for black men and on the other hand, you got dudes saying bouncers are vetting you like it's 1950's America. Not here to judge it, just pointing it out. I'm gonna show up some day, but good to know what to expect.

Thanks for the datasheet.

The discrepancies come from the choice of nightclub people are choosing:

Black Club or Black/Hip Hop Night at a specific club = They expect blacks to show up and its easier to get in.

Alternative Clubs/bars= Easier to get in or almost guaranteed entry.

So if you stick to these places you have NO PROBLEMS. You could hypothetically "stay in your lane" and live in peace. You could look for whatever gems these places produce and happily get notches.... If you are ambitious and want higher end girls this won't cut it for you.

If you want to get into mainstream and high end nightclubs in the city is where the 1950s era will start. Its tight for everyone but especially for us. Youll find 2 or 3 brothers in the club and thats all it seems the quota will allow for. MAYBE 1 black girl.

I dont want to sound like im bragging but I didn't move across half the world to be with mediocre looking girls (could have stayed in the US).

(11-20-2016 10:44 AM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 10:31 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Damn, sometimes the experiential dichotomy is fascinating. On the one hand, you have guys saying Germany is this great, open-minded paradise for black men and on the other hand, you got dudes saying bouncers are vetting you like it's 1950's America. Not here to judge it, just pointing it out. I'm gonna show up some day, but good to know what to expect.

Thanks for the datasheet.

From what I gather on Germany from testimonies of my peers that have been there:

1) White girls are open-minded about dating outside their race. Can be an underrated gold mind in that sense.
2) However, certain upscale nightlife venues can be selective as even many well to do white guys can be turned away at those venues as knowing the right people pays huge dividends. Race is also taken into consideration of "face control" in this process as well.

In that sense, this would exactly resemble the experience I had when visiting a Russian city few years back.

If your game (looks included) is tight it CAN be done. Ive been wanting to post some pics of the girls who I know are into black guys ive found in country.

(11-20-2016 11:08 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

I appreciate the sharing of the experiences, but @Lino you need to realize that just because people say they would react differently doesn't mean they are downplaying the experiences of others.

Kirdiesel and I have spoken about this a few times, we agree to disagree on the matter.

I for one will never ever in my life beg/subject myself to subtle belitteling to be let into any fucking night club, where I have to spend more money on drinks and try to pull some chick. Too many people forget that at the end of the day you are a paying customer as well. If some clown says to me "You can come in, but no trouble." I will ask him to repeat it, then kindly take my ID back and leave. No complaining, no running to social media and no civil suits. Fuck it. It's not a race thing, it's a "my" pride as a man thing. If you as an individual decide to stay there, good on you. That's "your" way of doing things. Not a bad or a good thing, just your thing. Same way some of my friends say I'm crazy for leaving a date if a chick uses her phone more than 2x infront of me after I asked her not to. It's "my" pride thing.

-CD

Yeah we had a long talk about this one haha.

In the beginning I had lots of problems getting into spots here and I was really demotivated and frustrated. I couldn't even believe that today is kind of shit is still going on world. This is unheard of in NYC and even if they try and pull some shit like that the club would be promptly closed down.

I went home and planned an angle of attack and within a few months I got to know people in the scene (everyone goes to generally the same places) and cracked one club after another.

Now guess what? I can go in the best places completely out of dress code, wearing snapback hats, not paying entry fees, getting reduced bottle service, and sometimes skipping the line when the club is super full..... This has all led eventually to dates and bangs that i would not have otherwise had if i had given up due to having too much "pride". Like I said before...

I moved half way around the world for success and I wasn't going to let any of these motherfuckers stand in my way. I knew if I could just get inside I could get to work and start pulling. I was determined to crack the code and for the most part in this city I have.

[Lino]

(11-20-2016 11:08 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

I appreciate the sharing of the experiences, but @Lino you need to realize that just because people say they would react differently doesn't mean they are downplaying the experiences of others.

Kirdiesel and I have spoken about this a few times, we agree to disagree on the matter.

I for one will never ever in my life beg/subject myself to subtle belitteling to be let into any fucking night club, where I have to spend more money on drinks and try to pull some chick. Too many people forget that at the end of the day you are a paying customer as well. If some clown says to me "You can come in, but no trouble." I will ask him to repeat it, then kindly take my ID back and leave. No complaining, no running to social media and no civil suits. Fuck it. It's not a race thing, it's a "my" pride as a man thing. If you as an individual decide to stay there, good on you. That's "your" way of doing things. Not a bad or a good thing, just your thing. Same way some of my friends say I'm crazy for leaving a date if a chick uses her phone more than 2x infront of me after I asked her not to. It's "my" pride thing.

-CD

Allright, let me tell you something: I absolutely don't give a shit about clubs and almost never go, I think I am a smart man with more education than all these bouncers will ever get in their miserable life. I also don't like being among clowns wasting tons of money for alcohol and dumb bitches with attitude to end up eventually bringing home a drunk sweaty bitch.

This being said, I do have friends and I can't always refuse going to clubs with them because of "my pride", I do this sacrifice and accept to play this game for my friends.

What is the point of your post? Looks like you didnt get the meaning of my message.

Let me be more clear then: this forum has a great value because smart people share their experiences, my point is that when a man posts a datasheet with plenty of info we shouldnt answer with a message pointing out a simple sentence and judging the poster, what does it bring to the conversation?

All you do in your message is judging my post and mention how proud you are and how you wouldnt do that, Sorry but...who gives a shit??

[rudebwoy]

If I had a dollar for the amount of German gals I've seen describe Germany as boring.

Other than clubs, what else is there to do?

Can I go down the street and get some Jamaican food?

Could be me, but the culture seems bland.

[coverdoc]

(11-20-2016 05:50 PM)Lino Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:08 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

I appreciate the sharing of the experiences, but @Lino you need to realize that just because people say they would react differently doesn't mean they are downplaying the experiences of others.

Kirdiesel and I have spoken about this a few times, we agree to disagree on the matter.

I for one will never ever in my life beg/subject myself to subtle belitteling to be let into any fucking night club, where I have to spend more money on drinks and try to pull some chick. Too many people forget that at the end of the day you are a paying customer as well. If some clown says to me "You can come in, but no trouble." I will ask him to repeat it, then kindly take my ID back and leave. No complaining, no running to social media and no civil suits. Fuck it. It's not a race thing, it's a "my" pride as a man thing. If you as an individual decide to stay there, good on you. That's "your" way of doing things. Not a bad or a good thing, just your thing. Same way some of my friends say I'm crazy for leaving a date if a chick uses her phone more than 2x infront of me after I asked her not to. It's "my" pride thing.

-CD

Allright, let me tell you something: I absolutely don't give a shit about clubs and almost never go, I think I am a smart man with more education than all these bouncers will ever get in their miserable life. I also don't like being among clowns wasting tons of money for alcohol and dumb bitches with attitude to end up eventually bringing home a drunk sweaty bitch.

This being said, I do have friends and I can't always refuse going to clubs with them because of "my pride", I do this sacrifice and accept to play this game for my friends.

What is the point of your post? Looks like you didnt get the meaning of my message.

Let me be more clear then: this forum has a great value because smart people share their experiences, my point is that when a man posts a datasheet with plenty of info we shouldnt answer with a message pointing out a simple sentence and judging the poster, what does it bring to the conversation?

All you do in your message is judging my post and mention how proud you are and how you wouldnt do that, Sorry but...who gives a shit??

I'm with you on the club thing, up until the part about doing it for friends. Even then, i'm not playing the please let me in role to meet some guys I know inside.

The first sentence where I @ you, was for you. The remainder of my post were for other readers to get the opinions of others who would approach things differently.

You're coming off as the type who get's butt hurt when someone has an opinion that differs from yours and your post reeks of passive aggression, a female trait.

@rudebwoy, You can't get authentic Jamaican food in Germany for the most part. What you get is Jamaican Euro fusion B.S. It's basically seasonedless trash that they upcharge people for. I paid 5 euros for a bland beef pattie that could fit in my palm and they put a lettuce over it lol. Just thought this would be funny to share.

I'll let Kirdiesel talk more about outside hobbies on his part.

-CD

[jackflag]

(11-20-2016 06:24 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(11-19-2016 07:16 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

Thanks for a very good datasheet. Though the place itself sounds awful. Very similar to what I have to say about Sweden after 3 years.

Im interested in hearing thhe swedish version of this.

I'd also be interested in this.

the Thing, would you mind dropping a sheet on your long-term experience there?

[kirdiesel]

(11-20-2016 06:55 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

If I had a dollar for the amount of German gals I've seen describe Germany as boring.

Other than clubs, what else is there to do?

Can I go down the street and get some Jamaican food?

Could be me, but the culture seems bland.

There are some African restaurants around but thats just about as close as you will get.

Other than clubs theres alot to do in this area:

Travel - Like I said in my datasheet.. I live near two/three major airports that have the budget airlines such as Ryanair, Germanwings and Euro wings and its very easy to fly away for the weekend to a European location and come back home on time to be work on Monday. Travel here is amazing. I unfortunately haven't taken too much advantage of it because I have spent TONS and hours and hours of time trying to figure out German girls. I didn't want to become reliant on travel to get laid. I got things under control here now but looking back I should have traveled more and now I will in the future.

Sports - Germans are for the most part very active people and there are lots of opportunites to find people willing to run, work out or whatever have you. Many soccer clubs and theres even some American sports around... I have been invited to play lacrosse on a team many times but Ive never done it. I prefer to be in the gym. There is a huge ski hall near to here as well and you can go indoor skiing or snowboarding. Crazy stuff.

Otherwise I have seen alot of Dance groups, Poetry slams, Book clubs, Foodie groups...

I personally spend my time outside of my two hustles and game:

in the gym - (Im in there right now 4x a week),
movies - I have usually seen everything in the theaters.
eating out - I like going out and trying new places.
travel - When I do really get the desire I travel and been to many European cities.
Fashion - I actually like shopping and was doing a suit blog on insta for a while.

In the coming days/weeks I will probably post a part 2 guide in here on how to meet German girls in clubs. Stay tuned.

[Il Bersagliere]

Why do you think you pulled more girls in Germany than in New York? What inhibited you?

Solid sheet, by the way.

[Branimir]

I'm from the same city, yea those girls are pretty good looking but I know exactly what they're like, and to be honest, they're so bland and boring to me, I rather go for a bit down in looks but get a more fun girl. And yes I exactly know what you feel like with the looks, it's hard to see good curves around here. Girls are rather flat. Girl with curves is a real headturner here ha.

Regarding the club thing, it's not just about being black, in fact, door policy for club is just insane in Germany in general if you compare to other countries, especially in "high end clubs".
Doorman literally let in people or not just by the way they feel at that moment. You'll get the dumbest questions and comments.

The thing about not letting in other ethnicities but germans (like said, not limited to black, just let the doorman hear some eastern european language or look like from there, granted you'll not come in) , is because more than often those are considered of not being a part of the higher educated part of society (since 90% of their parents are just workers without higher education themselves), and sadly they're much more inclined to start trouble. Especially if they come in groups, because then they feel overly confident, because they're with their countrymen there.
Even more so considering the current status of mass immigration and now too after what's happened in Cologne on NYE.

It's enough if the doorman just sees any sort of potential with trouble, he'll not let you in. I can sort of understand him, he's just doing his (shitty) job, and doesn't want to deal with any trouble yet another night again. Always best bet is to get in with a mixed group.

What also is quite possibly part of this vetting in general , is that they want ratios to be even, with the current door policy, they know if they going to let in e.g. one group of turks (which are always male), the next day there's going to be 5 male group of turks trying to get in (also groups of males are always very bad, 3 is the most you should try to get in).

I don't know how OP feels about this , but compared to other countries, german clubbing isn't much fun to me anyway to be honest. Lot of trashy people around and in my opinion there is no real high end clubs, shitty service trying to scam you with absolutely unprofessional doormen who seem like they're looking for trouble themselves instead of de-escalating.
In the club everybody is trying to be cool, instead of having fun. Very cliquey. Girls more than often cockblocking each other all the time , like pulling their friend away from you etc.

oh and of course, crappy music and increbidle inflexibility of the clubs (no creativity, same shit, same music every week).

But maybe that's just me.

[kirdiesel]

(11-21-2016 12:32 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

Why do you think you pulled more girls in Germany than in New York? What inhibited you?

Solid sheet, by the way.

Some reasons (in no particular order):

1. Logistics - Its exceptionally cheaper to have better logistics in Cologne. In NYC you NEED to live in Manhattan and I didn't. Bad decision on my part.. but didn't feel like spending a ton of money on rent every single month. I bought an expensive car and just drove in every Friday and Saturday or when it was needed.

2. Prejudice - Due to there being so many black men in NYC I found it hard to separate yourself from Jayquan in the Bronx. I just found white chicks were just not interested in brothers like that... If you went there you just dont see many brothers with "normal" or even good looking white girls. In Germany you have africans but there isnt so much of them influencing peoples opinion of you before you even open your mouth.

3. Exotic Factor - I dont think it holds tons of weight but being an American in Germany does hold some weight and makes you different and interesting. If a girl is somewhat attracted to you from the job being American can help the interaction run smoothly. Oil the gears a little if you will.

I highly doubt I will be moving back to NYC unless a major job opportunity presents itself.

(11-21-2016 11:02 PM)Branimir Wrote:  

I'm from the same city, yea those girls are pretty good looking but I know exactly what they're like, and to be honest, they're so bland and boring to me, I rather go for a bit down in looks but get a more fun girl. And yes I exactly know what you feel like with the looks, it's hard to see good curves around here. Girls are rather flat. Girl with curves is a real headturner here ha.

Regarding the club thing, it's not just about being black, in fact, door policy for club is just insane in Germany in general if you compare to other countries, especially in "high end clubs".
Doorman literally let in people or not just by the way they feel at that moment. You'll get the dumbest questions and comments.

The thing about not letting in other ethnicities but germans (like said, not limited to black, just let the doorman hear some eastern european language or look like from there, granted you'll not come in) , is because more than often those are considered of not being a part of the higher educated part of society (since 90% of their parents are just workers without higher education themselves), and sadly they're much more inclined to start trouble. Especially if they come in groups, because then they feel overly confident, because they're with their countrymen there.
Even more so considering the current status of mass immigration and now too after what's happened in Cologne on NYE.

It's enough if the doorman just sees any sort of potential with trouble, he'll not let you in. I can sort of understand him, he's just doing his (shitty) job, and doesn't want to deal with any trouble yet another night again. Always best bet is to get in with a mixed group.

What also is quite possibly part of this vetting in general , is that they want ratios to be even, with the current door policy, they know if they going to let in e.g. one group of turks (which are always male), the next day there's going to be 5 male group of turks trying to get in (also groups of males are always very bad, 3 is the most you should try to get in).

I don't know how OP feels about this , but compared to other countries, german clubbing isn't much fun to me anyway to be honest. Lot of trashy people around and in my opinion there is no real high end clubs, shitty service trying to scam you with absolutely unprofessional doormen who seem like they're looking for trouble themselves instead of de-escalating.
In the club everybody is trying to be cool, instead of having fun. Very cliquey. Girls more than often cockblocking each other all the time , like pulling their friend away from you etc.

oh and of course, crappy music and increbidle inflexibility of the clubs (no creativity, same shit, same music every week).

But maybe that's just me.

-I did say that if anyone who rolls up there not looking German will have trouble getting in.

-I have never heard of any club scams though.. Unprofessional doormen.. hell yeah.

-The clubbing here is pretty low energy compared to NYC thats for sure. The inflexibility and same music every week is really bad here and very annoying. I have not found it too cliquey outside of the 'club cliques' who go clubbing every week. I also have not found cock blocking from their friends to be any worse than any other country. American girls do the same crap.

How are you mainly meeting girls? Day game, night game, online?

[Lino]

(11-20-2016 07:14 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 05:50 PM)Lino Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 11:08 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

I appreciate the sharing of the experiences, but @Lino you need to realize that just because people say they would react differently doesn't mean they are downplaying the experiences of others.

Kirdiesel and I have spoken about this a few times, we agree to disagree on the matter.

I for one will never ever in my life beg/subject myself to subtle belitteling to be let into any fucking night club, where I have to spend more money on drinks and try to pull some chick. Too many people forget that at the end of the day you are a paying customer as well. If some clown says to me "You can come in, but no trouble." I will ask him to repeat it, then kindly take my ID back and leave. No complaining, no running to social media and no civil suits. Fuck it. It's not a race thing, it's a "my" pride as a man thing. If you as an individual decide to stay there, good on you. That's "your" way of doing things. Not a bad or a good thing, just your thing. Same way some of my friends say I'm crazy for leaving a date if a chick uses her phone more than 2x infront of me after I asked her not to. It's "my" pride thing.

-CD

Allright, let me tell you something: I absolutely don't give a shit about clubs and almost never go, I think I am a smart man with more education than all these bouncers will ever get in their miserable life. I also don't like being among clowns wasting tons of money for alcohol and dumb bitches with attitude to end up eventually bringing home a drunk sweaty bitch.

This being said, I do have friends and I can't always refuse going to clubs with them because of "my pride", I do this sacrifice and accept to play this game for my friends.

What is the point of your post? Looks like you didnt get the meaning of my message.

Let me be more clear then: this forum has a great value because smart people share their experiences, my point is that when a man posts a datasheet with plenty of info we shouldnt answer with a message pointing out a simple sentence and judging the poster, what does it bring to the conversation?

All you do in your message is judging my post and mention how proud you are and how you wouldnt do that, Sorry but...who gives a shit??

I'm with you on the club thing, up until the part about doing it for friends. Even then, i'm not playing the please let me in role to meet some guys I know inside.

The first sentence where I @ you, was for you. The remainder of my post were for other readers to get the opinions of others who would approach things differently.

You're coming off as the type who get's butt hurt when someone has an opinion that differs from yours and your post reeks of passive aggression, a female trait.

@rudebwoy, You can't get authentic Jamaican food in Germany for the most part. What you get is Jamaican Euro fusion B.S. It's basically seasonedless trash that they upcharge people for. I paid 5 euros for a bland beef pattie that could fit in my palm and they put a lettuce over it lol. Just thought this would be funny to share.

I'll let Kirdiesel talk more about outside hobbies on his part.

-CD

Cool, you are the most alpha man here, proud, masculine and all, happy?

Enjoy little boy.

[Nowak]

(11-20-2016 06:55 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

If I had a dollar for the amount of German gals I've seen describe Germany as boring.

Other than clubs, what else is there to do?

Can I go down the street and get some Jamaican food?

Could be me, but the culture seems bland.

Make money/spend it elsewhere. DE should be seen as a place to live,not a place to only pull

[Nowak]

(11-20-2016 09:58 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Berlin is only place ive been to here that didn't really feel like Germany and thats why I have always recommended it for brothers looking to come to Germany the first time. The only problem is that it is overrun by hipster and not the best quality of girls from I have been hearing from the sheets on here.

Its very hard to integrate here and it is true you will never be seen as a German even though you might even be born here. I mean even one of the guys who perpetrated an attack in southern Germany complained about this.

What Lino is saying is accurate.. even down to the bouncer saying "no troubles ok" I have THE SAME experience in my home city. You could work for Goldman Sachs, be making 200K plus a year and pull up to a club here and still not get in... You are a black man and that is that. This is why I posted my quick guide on how best to get past this problem. When they see you with other white German guys they assume you are better integrated.

I am somewhat in support of the refugees. I wish they would VET them better but ultimately I am in support of them. People here are not tolerant enough of other cultures and they need to get with the times. I am NOT for a muslim takeover of the country but as I said before im from NYC and a fan of diversity. When the Syrians finally settle in and make up ground in the country its going to help all minorities.

Most Germans and all other Europeans outside of major metropolitan areas do not want American/NYC style diversity. NYC is only as diverse as its neighborhoods are distinct from each other anyways, Gavin has a good article on that somewhere. The UK and US have a welcoming culture that is ingrained in the mentality much more than continental Europe. The problem with the refugees has less to do with race and more to do with culture and magnitude of the situation. Lot's of first generation immigrants themselves who aren't white are supporting the radical right more and more so I don't see your point about helping diversity.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/...s-germany/

[Lunostrelki]

I've lived in Germany and wouldn't mind living there again but don't really like the culture that much. It's got a lot of cool things worth learning about, especially if you're from an Anglo country since Germany is like the progenitor nation of the non-Romance western Europeans, but it lacks a certain depth and this shows in everyday life, language, etc.

[Samseau]

Kirdiesel, first of all, awesome data sheet and thanks for sharing. +1 from me.

However, I do not seem to understand your position on the refugees and your claims of getting better results in Cologne vs. NYC.

(11-20-2016 09:58 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

I am somewhat in support of the refugees. I wish they would VET them better but ultimately I am in support of them. People here are not tolerant enough of other cultures and they need to get with the times. I am NOT for a muslim takeover of the country but as I said before im from NYC and a fan of diversity. When the Syrians finally settle in and make up ground in the country its going to help all minorities.

You're from NYC and you like diversity, and yet you claim you getting better results in the non-diverse Cologne. If you made Cologne more diverse like NYC, wouldn't that impact your results? Wouldn't you have less of an exotic factor?

Is it the case you can either have more tolerant people, or you get more pussy? Are you sure you can have it both ways?

[rudebwoy]

This isn't the Syrian refugee thread.

[kirdiesel]

(11-26-2016 05:35 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

This isn't the Syrian refugee thread.

Yeah this isn't why I didn't respond to the Breitbart link. I'd like to stay away from drama as people get banned real quick on the forum.

If you guys would like to discuss any of the refugee info feel free to PM me.