[MCMV]

I'm also from New York but I came to Cologne in 2013 for a week. Compared to New York, Cologne really looks boring man. There's literally not much to do at all.

[kirdiesel]

I think it's a great starter city when you first move to Germany but after a while you grow out of it. I'm at that stage at the moment and looking forward to greener pastures.

[MCMV]

Been to Munich for 2 days, didn't see much but everyone says Munich is much better, in terms of girls and high class people live there. I don't know if there's any truth in it.

[Apollo21]

The holidays here for day game are much better
than what they were 10 years ago.

The malls/shopping areas are getting bigger and attracting a lot more women. Things are changing however the club atmosphere is mostly static...

Unless you have a solid circle I'd say the best opportunity is to stay on the move between nearby cities and find reasons to cover enough territory so you can approach different girls in a variety of situations.

[KingTut]

(11-20-2016 11:08 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  

I appreciate the sharing of the experiences, but @Lino you need to realize that just because people say they would react differently doesn't mean they are downplaying the experiences of others.

Kirdiesel and I have spoken about this a few times, we agree to disagree on the matter.

I for one will never ever in my life beg/subject myself to subtle belitteling to be let into any fucking night club, where I have to spend more money on drinks and try to pull some chick. Too many people forget that at the end of the day you are a paying customer as well. If some clown says to me "You can come in, but no trouble." I will ask him to repeat it, then kindly take my ID back and leave. No complaining, no running to social media and no civil suits. Fuck it. It's not a race thing, it's a "my" pride as a man thing. If you as an individual decide to stay there, good on you. That's "your" way of doing things. Not a bad or a good thing, just your thing. Same way some of my friends say I'm crazy for leaving a date if a chick uses her phone more than 2x infront of me after I asked her not to. It's "my" pride thing.

-CD

Thanks OP. This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my post when I got blasted as someone trying to give lesson in pride to others.
I just don't do the "Pussy Uber Alles"

[zeitgenosse]

Great datasheet

[kirdiesel]

(01-09-2017 05:08 PM)zeitgenosse Wrote:  

Great datasheet

Thank you sir... Ive been meaning to expand on it and make a "part 2" so to say but I have to put my thoughts together on some stuff first.

[KrisGLWorldwide]

Congratulations on doing well in such a hostile-to-neutral environment. I have no idea why you would stay so long there knowing that you could do better elsewhere and the people would be more welcoming to you. I mean, you even said the girls aren't the best!

Why did you stay?

[atlant]

Cologne is my home though I'll totally get why people might think it's boring or even ugly. But even now as it's overrun by rapefugees and Muslim thugs, I'll always have a fondness for it. I do think there's something there in the culture and locals that you don't get in most of other German cities. Places like Hamburg and Berlin are just horrifying to me in comparison.

I wouldn't ever try to live there for partying hard or serial dating though, that's for sure. German women are absolute shit, easily the worst in Europe.

[kirdiesel]

(04-18-2017 06:04 PM)KrisGLWorldwide Wrote:  

Congratulations on doing well in such a hostile-to-neutral environment. I have no idea why you would stay so long there knowing that you could do better elsewhere and the people would be more welcoming to you. I mean, you even said the girls aren't the best!

Why did you stay?

Thanks. I actually still live in Cologne.

There are a few reasons I am still here:

1. I am self employed and have two small "companies" at the moment.. Unfortunately, these are location dependent. If I moved I would lose them. I could move to another German city (ive been looking at Hamburg) I could probably recreate this situation but its going to be hard starting from scratch again.

2. Not a major reason but still one - I am socially somewhat well connected here with nightlife and have solid logistics. No problems for me to get into 90% of clubs here and im a 10 minute walk from the best clubs in the city.

3. I got comfortable - German women are not the best as I said but there are some stunners here and I know where to find them. I just need to figure out the best angle and I feel now that after many years of trial and error I am starting to gain ground here, in both women and business.

Finally I don't want to start all over and invest in yet ANOTHER Germany city to end up still dissatisifed but again don't want to start all over and learn ANOTHER language/culture in another country (like Sweden). I am also fully fluent in German now.

(04-18-2017 11:41 PM)atlant Wrote:  

Cologne is my home though I'll totally get why people might think it's boring or even ugly. But even now as it's overrun by rapefugees and Muslim thugs, I'll always have a fondness for it. I do think there's something there in the culture and locals that you don't get in most of other German cities. Places like Hamburg and Berlin are just horrifying to me in comparison.

I wouldn't ever try to live there for partying hard or serial dating though, that's for sure. German women are absolute shit, easily the worst in Europe.

I hate reading this crap. I am by no means in love with this place but what you are saying is an exaggeration. I am in the city most of the time and nothing has happened to me nor any of my friends nor anyone I even know. Through work I come into contact with many many people and either they are lying or you know something I don't.

I agree with you more on German women being crap. I haven't dated enough types of European women to compare that well but I also think its a matter of opinion. I have had fantastic experiences with Scandi girls but they also have a bad reputation on Roosh so who knows.

[atlant]

I'll just offer up the following random data points - North-Rhine Westphalia has the highest concentration of both refugees and Turkish immigrants in Germany. I spent 20 years there. Growing up with mostly punks and metalheads as friends in the region (Cologne and surrounding towns), frequent encounters with groups of Turkish and assorted other immigrant youth around train and bus stations were a common occurrence. My mother was present at the 2015 NYE event and is planning to move away now. My grandfather is the most die-hard Kölsche Jung I know. That city is the love of his life. Even he would move away now if he wasn't too old. This happened at a place I would often hang out in Summer with my friends.

TBH as a black guy without local family you are simply not in any relevant position to be affected. Of course nobody at work is ever going to bring up topics like this, be it due to being fucked up by media propaganda or out of fear of repercussions.

Obviously it's not Mogadishu. It has however gotten shittier by several orders of magnitude.

[tiikaa]

(04-19-2017 06:33 AM)atlant Wrote:  

I'll just offer up the following random data points - North-Rhine Westphalia has the highest concentration of both refugees and Turkish immigrants in Germany. I spent 20 years there. Growing up with mostly punks and metalheads as friends in the region (Cologne and surrounding towns), frequent encounters with groups of Turkish and assorted other immigrant youth around train and bus stations were a common occurrence. My mother was present at the 2015 NYE event and is planning to move away now. My grandfather is the most die-hard Kölsche Jung I know. That city is the love of his life. Even he would move away now if he wasn't too old. This happened at a place I would often hang out in Summer with my friends.

TBH as a black guy without local family you are simply not in any relevant position to be affected. Of course nobody at work is ever going to bring up topics like this, be it due to being fucked up by media propaganda or out of fear of repercussions.

Obviously it's not Mogadishu. It has however gotten shittier by several orders of magnitude.

Me too I am a native from the region near Cologne and I can confirm Atlant is 100% spot on! North-Rhine Westfalia and Germany in general are fucked now. At work ppl dont dare to talk about topics like this due to fear of repercussions. Black guys generally dont become affected, somehow the hatred and violence of muslim thugs is against the native people (especially German young men). The saddest thing is that Germans are getting used to this new kind of situation (where you dont know if you make it back home or end up in some hospital) and just ignore all the shit that is happening just for the sake of political correctness..

Of course this is not game-related and somewhat off-topic, but I feel like the world should know about what is really happening in Germany

[kirdiesel]

Could you guys stop complaining about immigrants in my datasheet?

If you want to talk about German girls and gaming them fine but take the immigrant stuff elsewhere.

I try to keep shit positive and helpful.

[tiikaa]

@Kirdiesel: I am sorry if you got me wrong dude, I wasn´t complaining about immigrants. I love immigrants and have many foreign friends, even guys from Siria, Egypt and so on..

I was complaining about the current crime situation and about a certain type of immigrants (which we all know what kind of people Im talking about) and about leftist politicians and judges who incentive crime.

About gaming German girls I would say they are not worth it. Still there is plenty of girls from other countries to choose from in Germany (in clubs you will se more guys than girls though).

In Cologne I can recommend the club "Bahnhof Ehrenfeld" which seems to attract at least a few attractive girls. Maybe street game is the better option anyhow, given the terrible rates male/female in clubs? Maybe someone who lives in Cologne at the moment (I dont) can elaborate on good spots for nightgame nowadays?

[atlant]

(05-04-2017 01:54 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Could you guys stop complaining about immigrants in my datasheet?

If you want to talk about German girls and gaming them fine but take the immigrant stuff elsewhere.

I try to keep shit positive and helpful.

While the premise of your request is silly in itself as it's akin to asking the guys in the Latin America threads to stop talking about crime problems or in the Asia threads about racism: I made a brief comment about it within a general commentary about Cologne, which you picked up on and called "crap". I'm not sure what you were expecting after that other than provoking reactions from me and other Germans with lifelong experience of the situation. Now you waste another post whining about the discussion that was started by you to begin with.

So just talk about girls then, nobody's stopping you.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

How many guys on here, especially if you're older, are running daygame in Germany? I've been running direct game for the past 6 weeks in Leipzig and, although I have had some dates, a couple with very good-looking women in their mid-20s, these are very much the exceptions and I'm constantly running into the following roadblocks:

(1) The set is either married or otherwise in an LTR or "has a boyfriend" (90% of my approaches fall into this category)

(2) When (1) doesn't apply, i.e. when she admits she's single, the girl tells me that I'm too old for her. I've had 5 women tell me this since I started, so I'm beginning to think that this is a factor which is significantly holding me back and not just an excuse on the part of the girl. I've also noticed that you almost never see a younger woman/older man as a couple here and this seems to lend support to my impression that there's a taboo in the society about a younger woman dating an older man. For the record, I'm a 42, white guy from the UK and I do, I admit, have quite a few grey hairs, although some women have told me they find this sexy.

Overall, though, I find many German women receptive to my approaches, especially the married ones, but my ROI is still relatively poor for the amount of effort I'm putting in. I've already approached nearly 300 sets directly and have yet to get a bang, so I'm beginning to get concerned about whether my daygaming efforts will ever pay off in this department.

Anyway, I'd be interested to hear whether any other guys have encountered the problems I've mentioned whilst gaming women in Germany.

[spaceman]

Hey kirdiesel, cool thread. I have also been living in Germany for the past 7 years as an American guy but am living in different city. I can concur with alot of things you say. Being an American in germany is fun for awhile but the culture begins to suck, shitty nightclubs etc. I will miss being the foreign piece of meat in Germany, as an American brown guy I have banged so many Germans in my time here. its been pretty crazy and awesome but I am probably moving back to the US very soon.

But all in all, your post in dead on. I have no commentary on this refugee business, everyone is freaked out about ISIS and I understand.

I will post more later but am going to bed.

[Mentavious]

I've been to Germany maybe 8/9 times for work and twice for vacation over the last 2.5 years. I can tell you most of the times I've been rejected to clubs is when I rolled with other black dudes or not dressed appropriately. Meanwhile, if I've been alone or with another white German I was let in. I've even spoken to this with co workers there and they've told me exactly what the OP has stated. Obviously it sucks but it is what it is.

I've found the personality of German girls can make it easier to pull at times then American girls. An intelligent and level headed conversation works very well there. Try that with most younger American women and watch those panties dry up. Even if you don't hit it off, you can always become friends with them. Like I said in the first paragraph, having social proof with native Germans when entering clubs is a very big help.

+1 for me.

[kirdiesel]

(05-15-2017 03:54 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

How many guys on here, especially if you're older, are running daygame in Germany? I've been running direct game for the past 6 weeks in Leipzig and, although I have had some dates, a couple with very good-looking women in their mid-20s, these are very much the exceptions and I'm constantly running into the following roadblocks:

(1) The set is either married or otherwise in an LTR or "has a boyfriend" (90% of my approaches fall into this category)

(2) When (1) doesn't apply, i.e. when she admits she's single, the girl tells me that I'm too old for her. I've had 5 women tell me this since I started, so I'm beginning to think that this is a factor which is significantly holding me back and not just an excuse on the part of the girl. I've also noticed that you almost never see a younger woman/older man as a couple here and this seems to lend support to my impression that there's a taboo in the society about a younger woman dating an older man. For the record, I'm a 42, white guy from the UK and I do, I admit, have quite a few grey hairs, although some women have told me they find this sexy.

Overall, though, I find many German women receptive to my approaches, especially the married ones, but my ROI is still relatively poor for the amount of effort I'm putting in. I've already approached nearly 300 sets directly and have yet to get a bang, so I'm beginning to get concerned about whether my daygaming efforts will ever pay off in this department.

Anyway, I'd be interested to hear whether any other guys have encountered the problems I've mentioned whilst gaming women in Germany.

I am now 36 (but look upper 20s). I don't do daygame but I am out there with alot of younger girls. Depending on your goals you need to simply find out how far down you can LIE about your age and do just that. If you find that girls are asking you your age all the time make sure you ask them their age first and adjust your age depending on what they say. Its a white lie but it will get you through. I say im 29 and have stuck with that strategy forever.

You should also be expanding your game and not only do daygame. Specific nightgame spots (where the girls a little older) and online game as well. You may not like it but more opportunity is better than no opportunity I would say. I myself should expand into day game as well!!!

I feel like ive said this 1000 times on the forum but I wasnt a major advocate of online game and in the last six months i started (with horrendous results at the beginning) and im making headways and getting more and more opportunity when I found out which pictures worked for me and which didnt. I have dates with two early 20s girls this week.

(05-15-2017 04:32 PM)spaceman Wrote:  

Hey kirdiesel, cool thread. I have also been living in Germany for the past 7 years as an American guy but am living in different city. I can concur with alot of things you say. Being an American in germany is fun for awhile but the culture begins to suck, shitty nightclubs etc. I will miss being the foreign piece of meat in Germany, as an American brown guy I have banged so many Germans in my time here. its been pretty crazy and awesome but I am probably moving back to the US very soon.

But all in all, your post in dead on. I have no commentary on this refugee business, everyone is freaked out about ISIS and I understand.

I will post more later but am going to bed.

Spaceman I would really like to hear about your experiences as a brown guy in Germany. Feel free to check me or correct me on anything I have said here.

What city are you in? What kind of quality have you been banging? Why are you going home?

(05-16-2017 08:54 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

I've been to Germany maybe 8/9 times for work and twice for vacation over the last 2.5 years. I can tell you most of the times I've been rejected to clubs is when I rolled with other black dudes or not dressed appropriately. Meanwhile, if I've been alone or with another white German I was let in. I've even spoken to this with co workers there and they've told me exactly what the OP has stated. Obviously it sucks but it is what it is.

I've found the personality of German girls can make it easier to pull at times then American girls. An intelligent and level headed conversation works very well there. Try that with most younger American women and watch those panties dry up. Even if you don't hit it off, you can always become friends with them. Like I said in the first paragraph, having social proof with native Germans when entering clubs is a very big help.

+1 for me.

Thanks Mentavious. I haven't had the experience with intelligent conversation working here. I feel like it really throws you in the friend zone but thats whats just happened to me. I play up the cool, exciting, funny american black guy thing and it seems to work best. It is true that they are always open to new friends though, moreso than American girls.

Appreciate the +1

[AWISEMAN]

Hey bro, i read your post on Germany, i recently visited Germany, i was in the Bremen-Hamburg area, First off Germany is a really nice country, most German people I encountered seem to be friendly and easygoing people, not sure if i can say that about the women in particular though , they just didn't seem that receptive to me, so it was hard to believe in that hype about them being very open to Black men, in fact some of them came off a bit rude if you ask me, no different from American women, maybe i just wasn't in the right place at the right time, i wasn't there very long either, for about a week or so. I left Germany a bit unsure about the women there.

[kirdiesel]

This is why I've never hyped Germany on here because there is nothing to be hyped about.

IMO you should do better here than in the US. Better quality girls, more bangs and slightly easier game. But as I've always said.... pussy paradise it is not. If you crack the code a 9 is within grasp but it's not going to be a regular occurrence.

[spaceman]

(05-20-2017 12:31 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

This is why I've never hyped Germany on here because there is nothing to be hyped about.

IMO you should do better here than in the US. Better quality girls, more bangs and slightly easier game. But as I've always said.... pussy paradise it is not. If you crack the code a 9 is within grasp but it's not going to be a regular occurrence.

Germany is def not a pussy paradise... but access to all of Europe makes all worth it. Kirdiesel pretty much everything you said is spot on. I got a pretty lucrative job back in the states (still making more here in Germany) but have been in the same city here for so long, starting to get a bit bored and looking for a change.

Cologne is def a fun city, top 5 in Germany.

[MrRoundtree]

I was in Münster the last 3 days it's a really clean and beautiful city..the girls are really friendly and beautiful (lot of blondes)...however the city is not really good for night life...Lot of matches on Tinder but in 3 days it was hard to get something out of it.

[kirdiesel]

I've never been there but it's known as a college town and you were there during the week and not the weekend. If it's anything like Cologne you have to know where to be on what night especially during the week.

[Mr.Carry]

I went to Germany twice and I had a really shit experience. The first time was back in 2015 when me and two friends were travelling through Scandinavia and decided to go there. We went to Hamburg, Koln and Berlin. Berlin was ok. I pulled a few girls there but none were german. The german girls are kind odd and a wee bit boring tbh. In Hamburg and Koln we couldn't enter in any nightclub or pub. Everytime that we tried to enter the bouncer would stop us. Meanwhile we could see turkish-like people freely entering. By that time I thought it was somekind of racial discrimination since I'm latino.

I went back to Hamburg last time during summer and the things were a wee bit better. I still couldn't enter in nightclubs but the atmosphere was just better in general. Maybe it was because it was summer. A funny fact: when I was using the tube a guy called me "nazischwein".

In my experience, Germany as a country is great. The problem its people. Honestly I've never met a really funny, outgoing german. They are very boring and very bureaucratic. Maybe I'm generalizing but everyone that I know says this. Or maybe because I lived during a few years in Ireland and UK made me think all european would be as open as the brits/irish.