[The_e_man]

(09-07-2016 08:14 PM)Troublesome Wrote:  

Lol after reading your post it proves high notches does not translate to superior game. That's why I Never associated with pua thing, always been a mack.

Facts your mesmerised by her looks. She higher VALUE . You caught feelings quick heard she holding hands with a guy lol. Should of played it cool. But you ain't start off right anyway you allow her to lead the direction of the relationship. Promise No sex until we dating...

Got her running things. Stringing you along, got you wishing for the day she finally let you hit that ass one day.

She's seeking other dating options. Wouldn't be surprised if she's getting dicked down.

Damn. I'm glad I made this post. You are right in just about every way possible. It's only once I've cooled off from the anger and started thinking more rationally that I'm seeing that I'm behaving like a total loser.

Bottom line is yes I am mesmerized by her looks. Admittedly, my high notch count does not contain more than just a small handful of 8's and 9's and the rest are 6's and girls I wouldn't want to fuck more than once (you probably already gathered that however). So when a really attractive girl DOES come along, I get very needy and beta and back to my old chump ways. The biggest thing that makes me feel like she has higher value than me is the fact that her phone is being blown up 24/7 from so many guys trying to hit her up. It gives me anxiety and turns me into an insecure loser.

Funnily enough, if you look at my post history, I made a thread a few months ago about being ghosted by a girl that I fucked that I considered a "10" in my eyes. I acted the same way and totally scared her away, only banged her once and we essentially never spoke again.

[Beirut]

How old are you two?

Are you asking if you should fuck then dump her or are you asking if you should make her your gf and then fuck and dump her or are you asking if you should make her your gf?

[The_e_man]

(09-07-2016 08:40 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

How old are you two?

Are you asking if you should fuck then dump her or are you asking if you should make her your gf and then fuck and dump her or are you asking if you should make her your gf?

I'm 22, she's 18.

I was asking if I should just completely ghost her or if I should "put my pride aside" and at least still talk to her just to fuck her and then ghost her afterwards.

But the guys gave much better responses that essentially reshaped by question. Bottom line is I should have acted unfazed and just proceeded to fuck her anyways. It's me catching feelings for this girl so early and pedestalizing her that is the cause of my problems.

[LINUX]

(09-07-2016 08:47 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

I'm 22, she's 18.

I was asking if I should just completely ghost her or if I should "put my pride aside" and at least still talk to her just to fuck her and then ghost her afterwards.

So the two options you are giving yourself are:
1. Stop talking to her.
2. Fuck her and then stop talking to her.


Then just stop talking to her. Stop trying to hurt people.

You want to hurt this girl because you are envious of the attention she receives; you're afraid she will hurt you and you want to fuck her because she is a "10" and you're trying to prove you've got what it takes by collecting another notch.

I used to be that way also. It's not a good thing. You're still young though.

[The_e_man]

(09-07-2016 09:24 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

You want to hurt this girl because you are envious of the attention she receives; you're afraid she will hurt you and you want to fuck her because she is a "10" and you're trying to prove you've got what it takes by collecting another notch.

I used to be that way also. It's not a good thing. You're still young though.

What kind of mindset changes can I make moving forward? I'll admit a lot of what you just said is true.

[LINUX]

(09-07-2016 09:32 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

What kind of mindset changes can I make moving forward? I'll admit a lot of what you just said is true.

I'm not so sure you can make mindset changes by reading. You have to live your own life instead of relying on what others say. Me writing, and you reading, does nothing if you can't see it.

You have to make mistakes in your own life and learn from them. You're only 21, you're young. Life is still going to kick your ass and bring you to your knees, being a man is learning to stand up when that happens. And after you hurt enough people in life and see enough death and sadness, you start to change. But you're going to have to walk that path first. Maybe give the girl a chance, you might actually like her and if you get hurt, it's part of the process, there's going to be hundreds of women after her and she'll eventually just be a memory that you can't even put a face to. But don't intentionally try to hurt someone.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

With age & experience you will start to separate a woman's physical beauty from how she treats you. That's the next step in the maturation process and one that could literally determine your lifetime dealings with the opposite sex.

Eventually that's what everything boils down to

Old folks around me used to say 'Some of the prettiest people do some of the ugliest things'

[Prof. Ligate]

Somewhat reminded me of a situation of my own a few weeks ago.

A girl comes up to me at my regular bar on a Saturday night. I've met her a couple of other times briefly (a few months back) at another nightclub in the area, "Are you Prof. Ligate from Snapchat??". Gives me a hug and a kiss on the cheek. I was out with my little brother who I'm just easing into game now (he's 19 and I'm 24).

*Funny thing about this girl was that just a couple of nights prior we were going through my snapchat and I mentioned of this one smoking 20yo girl who views every single one of my snaps. I tell him that's the kind of girl I would like to have in my life (looks and demeanour). We tag her in some memes on Facebook (#game2016) and leave it at that. My main girl was going back to Belgium in 2 weeks so I'd been slowly keeping good leads on the backburner*

Anyway, back to the night of snapachat girl. I'm out for a big night with my brother and a mixed group of friends... she's on a work outing... so we leave it at that.

Cue to 3am and I'm now out solo talking to a French girl who I've met out previously. My friends and I are all scattered at different clubs and bars. Trying to get the French girl away from her away from her orbiter friends when I receive some messages from my little brother saying he's with the Snapchat girl and she's asking where I am. He says he'll bring her to me at the club I'm at. He does so.

This girl is TRASHED. I'm a little high (reserve judgment pls) so I suggest we go back to meet up with my group of friends at another club. We go. We get drinks. We go out to the smokers.

Then some little Prince Harry Looking motherfucker puts her on the spot (that she works with) to come home with him at the club while I'm talking to my friends. She says she's leaving and part of me dies. I know that back when my game was smooth a few months back I would have just took her home from the club my little brother took her to so she could meet me. Why'd I venue change to meet up with my friends? Why didn't I take her home? A hundred questions of doubt running through my head.

Am I going soft? Not a savage anymore?
Is my game getting shit?

Then it hits me that it's more of a double edged sword. Maybe a bit of maturation.

Yes, my game should of clearly been tighter.

BUT..
Is the type of girl who gets trashed to the point where she doesn't know where she is or who she's going home with the type of girl you want in my/ your life?
When she texted me the next day apologising should I give her the validation of replies even though she cucked me?
Would there have been no repercussions to banging a girl that trashed?

Answer: a clear NO

If I see her out again, sure, I'll test the waters. Committing any of my valuable time to a run-of-the-mill slut you haven't yet banged however?
Forget about it.

[The_e_man]

My Detroit Playas - its funny you say that because I recently broke things off with a girl that was incredibly sweet, loyal, caring and completely 100% about me simply because I wanted to be with other more attractive girls. I'm starting to feel really immature about this, but I still value physical beauty more than anything else in my partner.

Prof. Litgate - I definitely can empathize with you when she said she texted you the next day. You want to keep your pride and just not talk to her anymore. But part of you doesn't want to just "throw her away" like that even though she cucked you as you called it. That's a mental battle that is never fun to face.

[Prof. Ligate]

If you value physical beauty above anything else in your partner you will surround yourself with hot nutcases until you realise that's not the way to grow. I'm not sure about you dude, but I got into this shit so I could improve the type of women I have in my life. It's pure economics of the sexual marketplace.

If your overall value of a man is an 8 and you want the beauty of a 10 as one of your girls... you're going to run into some trouble.

The only guys who I personally know that are banging 10s regularly are either:
a) not living in the Anglosphere
b) minor celebrities

As for your empathy in regards to how it's hard not to "throw her away". I didn't. Neither did you. Stop chasing so hard for girls that treat you like shit.

As I said, if I see that girl out, I start the process again. Like I would any other hot girl at a bar. If not, good riddance.

[XPQ22]

Here's a point I agree with women on. A woman who you haven't banged...doesn't owe you a fucking thing. Even if she texts you paragraph after paragraph taking about how you're the only one for her, she wants to settle down with you, blah blah blah. Girls will talk with anyone and say stuff to anyone, man, especially young ones. I'm frankly a bit glad that the teens/early 20s demographic isn't really mine anymore.

If I've been texting with a girl for X number of weeks and she says she really wants me, but keeps blowing me off, and then I see her out with another dude, that's 100% on me. I played my cards and lost. If I see her again and she's down to get together at that point, that's fine. I honestly can't hold it against her.

Unfortunately, the way it is these days is that if you haven't put your dick in her, you DON'T have a relationship of any kind. Accept it, and understand that these girls who promise the world but never deliver are stealing time you could spend working girls who actually want to make something happen.

[The_e_man]

(09-08-2016 12:27 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Here's a point I agree with women on. A woman who you haven't banged...doesn't owe you a fucking thing. Even if she texts you paragraph after paragraph taking about how you're the only one for her, she wants to settle down with you, blah blah blah. Girls will talk with anyone and say stuff to anyone, man, especially young ones. I'm frankly a bit glad that the teens/early 20s demographic isn't really mine anymore.

If I've been texting with a girl for X number of weeks and she says she really wants me, but keeps blowing me off, and then I see her out with another dude, that's 100% on me. I played my cards and lost. If I see her again and she's down to get together at that point, that's fine. I honestly can't hold it against her.

Unfortunately, the way it is these days is that if you haven't put your dick in her, you DON'T have a relationship of any kind. Accept it, and understand that these girls who promise the world but never deliver are stealing time you could spend working girls who actually want to make something happen.

Very true. Even if you did bang them a lot of girls will still act like they don't owe you a goddam thing (and I suppose they really don't). I've had girls that I've banged still act brand new with me when they see me in the club and they are with their friends. It's a shitty feeling.

[Onto]

(09-08-2016 04:18 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 12:27 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Here's a point I agree with women on. A woman who you haven't banged...doesn't owe you a fucking thing. Even if she texts you paragraph after paragraph taking about how you're the only one for her, she wants to settle down with you, blah blah blah. Girls will talk with anyone and say stuff to anyone, man, especially young ones. I'm frankly a bit glad that the teens/early 20s demographic isn't really mine anymore.

If I've been texting with a girl for X number of weeks and she says she really wants me, but keeps blowing me off, and then I see her out with another dude, that's 100% on me. I played my cards and lost. If I see her again and she's down to get together at that point, that's fine. I honestly can't hold it against her.

Unfortunately, the way it is these days is that if you haven't put your dick in her, you DON'T have a relationship of any kind. Accept it, and understand that these girls who promise the world but never deliver are stealing time you could spend working girls who actually want to make something happen.

Very true. Even if you did bang them a lot of girls will still act like they don't owe you a goddam thing (and I suppose they really don't). I've had girls that I've banged still act brand new with me when they see me in the club and they are with their friends. It's a shitty feeling.

A consequence of being in a culture where women are independent and don't need a man to survive and thrive

[XXL]

I've been in this situation too many times before. The pattern was the same though..

I liked the girl too much -> she enjoyed the attention and played hard to get -> I liked her more and tried harder -> she played harder to get -> I had enough and got detached emotionally -> I still gamed her but from different standpoint -> she was way more receptive -> We hooked up somewhere usually completely spontaneously.

Funny how it works.

The key thing is the mindset. Once I had enough I instantly got back on the right track which is not actually "right" per se but it works.

I'd say that this pride thing happens when you are too attached too soon. Trust me when you get over that first false image of a girl and get out of that haze and come back to the right state of mind you have no issue with your pride or ego even when you game a girl hard. You just enjoy the game itself and don't take seriously what happens.

[bradz]

It all comes down to do you want to date/marry her or just fuck her - and how bad.