Quote: (05-16-2016 07:02 AM)Mercenary Wrote:
Quote: (05-15-2016 10:15 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:
@Suits
If you would send me an e-mail at the address I gave and tell me what you consider reliable information, as you received the 3 page PM as well. If others have concerns (as they received the same PM) they can write to me as well. In fact, a handful have. Huey was an exception as he does not have a PM or E-mail listed and I could not send it to him.
I would like to remind forum members that if they email NASA at any email address he gives, he will be able to view your sending IP address.
Proceed with caution.
Technically he can only see the IP address of the mail server that sent the message over port 25 (usually), in the headers of the email.
Regardless, it is pretty clear to me that Nasa Test Pilot is embellishing this story. He used China in an effort to make himself appear to be more knowledgeable on the subject, probably sensing that no one on the forum was a serious enough practitioner with enough experience to know any better. What he made the mistake of doing was that he forgot that China was called a "Closed Society: and had "Closed Door Policies" for a very good reason during those times.
Here is just a little bit of what I have found or already knew while waiting for him to come clean.
1) Americans were banned from traveling to China until Nov 1972. Even then a visit length of 1 year is not possible.
2) The US and China did not create liaison offices until 1973. So even if you could do a quick visit that would probably had required US state dept. approval, formal visas came into play after this time.
3) President Jimmy Carter established full diplomatic relations with China in 1979. Now you can get travel visas. Trade restrictions were also lifted as well, so now you can do general business with China. Anyone here on RVF that traveled in China in 2012 or earlier, knows that a typical visa stay is under a year. 30 days to 6 months. Constant renewals were required. 1979 is also very important for other reasons as well, which brings us to point number 4.
4) Zhou En Lai and Mao are both dead by 1979. By 1979 the Cultural Revolution is over. China begins the new Open Door Policy. Long story short they secure the deal with the US to break many ties with Taiwan. They begin reforms and establish formal relations with every other country as well.
5) Back to Buddhism now. Buddhism was not only illegal before 1979, but it was essentially eradicated in China. The official Organization of Buddhists in China claim that they have no artifacts, writings, etc. that survived and consider that period the nightmare time of Buddhism. Revolution volunteers sacked and destroyed every temple in China and burned every book or ancient text that was there. Over 4000 temples were destroyed from what I found.
Everyone with decent China knowledge knows that all temples were sacked during this time, all the practitioners were beaten, tortured, and sent to the fields for re-education and to be a farmer. In China during the revolution, they had these people whose job was to watch and observe anyone not "learning through labor" so to speak. The Red Guard was just the more extreme version of this group, but if anyone was caught not working or not reading Mao's book(s), they would be sent to a camp immediately. All religions were illegal, all Western books were illegal, anything other than communist teachings were illegal.
This cannot be stressed enough. I write this out for people that do not know the history so that they can understand that any Chinese person with an education lived in an intense environment of fear. Religious or academics were persecuted without delay. It was not even possible to be non-Chinese and practice these things in China. Farmers and people loyal to Mao from the old days got the cushy local government official and bureaucratic jobs. All university professors were sent to the rice farms. All religious leaders Daoist or Buddhists, ditto. It was done in a revenge like manner to take all these people down a notch and show them that their knowledge did not mean shit compared to the combined power of people's labor.
No Chinese would risk a prison camp just to teach NASA Test Pilot anything outside of Mao's teachings. Anyone with that kind of knowledge would be too busy working the fields to teach him anything. Unless Zhou En Lai was giving him the lessons himself, it would have been suicide to do so.
6) In 1979 China gave Buddhism a "Tolerance" status. It was still not legal, just tolerated. That is when the remnants of the official group before the revolution reformed the group (The Chinese Buddhist Association). They started from scratch just like how everyone else had to.
In conclusion, the illegality and absence of Buddhism in China prior to 1979, the fact that he could not have stayed one year in China prior to 1979 nor gotten a visa, cannot claim business reasons because you could not trade with China prior to 1979 as well, his refusal to state where he stayed and the dates (which would endanger no one these days), prove that his claims are false and he is misleading the forum.
NASA if I were you, I would read Tuthmosis' thread on trolling to make sure it does not happen again. It is part of the Official Forum Rules and Roosh has a link to it on the Rules Thread. I have posted rule number 13, which is the rule you are breaking.
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13. Fiction-Writer Troll**
A seemingly competent, normal member of the community whose contributions are just a little too far-fetched. We've all done things and been in situations that stretch the boundaries of plausibility, but Fiction Troll's narratives go just a little further--displaying odd incongruities or elaborate literary devices that, upon close examination, smell obviously fabricated. What's more, they've often compiled little or no credibility on the board (through rep or a long history of posts) for their stories to be actually believable. The dead-giveaways tend to be bragadocious threads that trumpet his "alpha" cred or ultra-polished Dear-Journal threads that read like Skinimax-like voice-overs. The combination of a group of men whose lifestlyes are predicated on continual, impressive conquests--and the ease of stretching the truth behind the anonymity curtain of the Internet--makes small amounts of fish-story trolling almost inevitable. But egregious cases of outright lying, that take away from the mission of the forum, need to be called out.
**Allege with caution.
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