Quote: (05-06-2016 10:57 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:
The entire forum needs to know the answer to this NASA Test Pilot. There are several issues with what you just posted.
Here are the problems with this story:
1. Buddhism was illegal in China during that time.
2. The Cultural Revolution in China ended in 76.
3. How did you manage to get a visa to stay?
4. The US Govt had no normal relations with China until Nixon visited (1972), but it was not immediate either. It took time before things took fold.
5. I recall from my Foreign Policy classes back in college "Ping Pong Diplomacy" being done in the early 70's and even if your dad was one of the ping pong players, how does that enable you to stay and study something illegal?
6. Your dad couldn't be a missionary or religious worker either. All religions were illegal back then.
7. You said your grandfather fought in China in the 30s. What does that even mean? I cannot critique that part too much because the US did support the Chinese govt back then and we had an embassy there back then.
8. If you were there because of Vietnam War reasons that is even more suspicious because the US foreign policy issues the US had with China during the war because they openly and covertly supported the Vietcong and General Ho. I won't say more because Vietnam War is not one of my areas of knowledge history wise, but those are basics that most historians know and you could clarify for us.
9. Pending upon what you say, I will reserve comments about Tibet.
If any of your reasons were US government confidential back then, be aware that The Freedom of Information Act has been allowed on damn near anything from that time and if you make claims like that, it can be verified.
I expect NASA Test Pilot is out to sea and may not be able to reply for a while. In the mean time, I figured I'd throw out a few points to consider.
- At the very highest levels of geopolitics, the motives for war and the concepts of enemies and allies is much different for the key players than what the common man believes and what history will record. The easiest way to win a war is to control both sides of a conflict.
It is relatively well known that the Bush family helped provide funding for the rise of Hitler and National Socialism. Less well known is the involvement By Carl Bosch, Edsel Ford, C.E. Mitchell (Federal Reserve Bank of NY), financing of Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie AG, or the involvement of public relations firm Ivy Lee in controlling the publicity of this matter.
A good resource for studying this aspect of modern history is the works of Professor Anthony C. Sutton. He provides volumes of documentation and evidence illustrating the financial and technological support Western powers provided to both the Soviet Union and the National Socialists during a time when they were ostensibly the mortal enemy. Some notable works would be the Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development trilogy, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, and Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler.
For his efforts, he was kicked out of the Hoover institution of Stanford, and as he put it, he was "persecuted but never prosecuted" for his research and subsequent publication of his findings.
Some notable figures in the highest levels of geopolitics and academia support the authenticity of his works:
In his book Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era (New York: Viking Press;1970), Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote:
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For impressive evidence of Western participation in the early phase of Soviet economic growth, see Antony C. Sutton's Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917–1930, which argues that 'Soviet economic development for 1917–1930 was essentially dependent on Western technological aid' (p.283), and that 'at least 95 per cent of the industrial structure received this assistance.' (p. 348).
Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book, Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon & Schuster;1984):
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In his three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology... Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored. (p. 290)
- To understand the motives of financing and supporting two ostensibly opposing forces in wartime, it is imperative to understand the Hegelian dialectic.
Most people are inherently resistant to changes that would diminish their freedom and wealth. If the goal of an elite was to diminish the freedom of their subjects in order for them to exert greater control, the implementation of that goal must be done in a way in order for it to seem like the most palatable option.
In order to do so, a conflict or crisis must be engineered. For example, in order for Europeans to accept the loss of personal freedoms, privacy, and human rights, they must be placed in an environment of fear and danger. An elite could instigate and subsequently market the importation of a large, inassimilable, and culturally hostile population. This subpopulation could also include elements prone to violence and occasionally terrorism.
Once the environment of fear becomes intolerable, most Europeans would readily accept the loss of personal freedom in the form of "anti-terrorist" legislation in the hope that it would provide greater safety. Through this method of engineered crisis, the goal is reached.
The lower level groups will be too focused on the ostensible enemy (For one side, terrorists and radical Islam; For another side, infidels) to see the big picture and implicate the higher level players who engineered the crisis in the first place. The media will do their part in confining the discussion to a very narrow and superficial window that would not allow viewers to entertain the idea of an alternative.
Those who raise the logical alternatives that go against the end goal, i.e. "Why are we importing a huge population of potential terrorists? Why doesn't Israel or Middle Eastern nations take them in?" are dealt with by first not giving them a medium for which to speak, by destroying their reputation or credibility, or by imprisoning or assassinating (which the coroner determined an accidental suicide) them depending on the level of awareness their message has gained.
- These crises are instigated by those who remain above the conflict and who themselves are not drawn into it or bound by it. Most of the information regarding these players is hidden, though some information is available at the lowest levels. There are people and organizations who operate on an international level, above the system of national law.
One that most people will be familiar with the Federal Reserve, which, as a private international organization, controls the money supply of the US while not being beholden to it's laws.
Going higher, there are also other organizations such as the Bank of International Settlements (which cooperated with both sides during World War II). There are also organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission.
- Ideally, their identity would remain hidden for obvious reasons. If your identity and influence are known, you can be targeted or your power structure dismantled. If you remain hidden and direct attention away from yourself, potential threats won't know how to target you, let alone where to begin looking. This is how most power hierarchies work, as it isolates the major power players from threats. Even Mafia organizations follow this protocol. What we think of as power structures are just the formalized, visible aspect of them. They are low level players.
- While many classified documents have been made available through the years, I would argue that the ones which are truly sensitive will never see the light of day, or only be revealed through unintentional incompetence.
Take for instance, the CIA's MKUltra project. They employed former Nazi war criminals to refine the art of involuntary mental manipulation through means such as sexual abuse and torture. The records surrounding the project were destroyed in 1973. Out of sheer luck, 20,000 documents survived the purge due to being mislabeled and filed as financial documents, and these were subsequently revealed as a result of a FOIA request in 1977 following the Church Comittee hearings of 1975.
Before it was revealed to the public, the program was dismissed as conspiracy theory, and comments such as "Too many people would have to be involved, and someone would have blown the whistle on it already if it were true." It was a multi-million dollar program spanning over 20 years, involved at least 80 institutions (including universities), and incorporated at least 149 subprojects.
- The Office of Secret Services (OSS), the precursor to the CIA, funded and trained both sides (the communist guerrillas and the Kuomintang) during WW2, it may be possible that cooperation between the groups continued secretly even after the conflict ended.
- If what NASA Test Pilot says is true, revealing information that threatens the narrative woven by the high level geopolitical players would put him at personal risk. The best we can hope for is likely to be bread crumbs, and even then, the path will be further concealed by disinformation and obfuscation.
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