[Teedub]

(07-22-2015 06:22 AM)big poppa Wrote:  

Meanwhile I would doubt if 3% of high-schoolers know anything about the Great Chinese Famine in which 20 million starved, or even who Pol Pot is and what he did in Cambodia. None of that matters, lets talk more about Nazi Germany and the plight of the Jews.

To be fair, most Chinese people don't care about the Holocaust. It happened in Europe, so it's understandable why European, and other western countries study it more etc. It doesn't have nearly the same significance in other places. I think in India they have several Hitler-branded stores/products.

[Medic42]

(07-22-2015 06:41 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 06:22 AM)big poppa Wrote:  

Meanwhile I would doubt if 3% of high-schoolers know anything about the Great Chinese Famine in which 20 million starved, or even who Pol Pot is and what he did in Cambodia. None of that matters, lets talk more about Nazi Germany and the plight of the Jews.

To be fair, most Chinese people don't care about the Holocaust. It happened in Europe, so it's understandable why European, and other western countries study it more etc. It doesn't have nearly the same significance in other places. I think in India they have several Hitler-branded stores/products.

I seriously can't believe that's even a thing. I wonder what the story is on the popularity of such stores/products. Are those mainstream products or niche goods for primarily muslim minority consumers.

[samsamsam]

Chinese are more concerned about the harsh treatment by the Japanese. And how Europeans once colonized parts of the Middle Kingdom to really care about other people's suffering.

[The_CEO]

(07-17-2015 04:46 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:15 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

All I was saying is that they often prosecute people for deterrent effect.

Deter what exactly? By your logic, murder should never happen in the state of Texas. Texas executes more murderers than the rest of the US combined. And yet every day, it seems they add another person to death row.

(07-16-2015 10:15 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

And with crimes against humanity the courts like to set an example that justice catches up with you eventually.

If that's the case, can we expect to see criminal charges against those who have forcibly removed Palestinians from their homes to make way for new "settlements"? Forced relocation/internal displacement is considered a crime against humanity and a known precursor of genocide. Palestinians are entitled to justice too aren't they?

This guy never attempted to run or hide after the war. That tells me than the reason he was never charged previously is because most courts would have laughed at the prosecutors. So they waited until now
knowing current attitudes would be perfectly willing to hang this guy out to dry. In other words they've passed judgement on him based on standards of 2015 for his actions in 1943. This ought to be a case study example in the SJW instruction manual.

You need to ask a prosecutor. It's not "my" logic. I was only pointing out that deterrence is often factor taken into account for prosecutions. Especially in high profile cases.

As for prosecuting people based on the standards of the day, that often happens with "war crimes". In Chile and Argentina for example, to this day, you occasionally read stories about prosecutions for murders and kidnappings from the Dirty War in the 70's.

[Dan Woolf]

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[Suits]

(09-21-2015 04:41 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

Quote:

Woman, 91, Faces 260,000 Nazi Charges

Prosecutors believe the former radio controller should face court because of her role at the death camp during World War Two.

A 91-year-old German woman has been charged with 260,000 counts of being an accessory to murder over allegations she worked in the Auschwitz death camp complex.

German prosecutors say the woman, who cannot be named because of legal reasons, was allegedly a member of the Nazi SS and worked as a radio operator for the camp commandant for several months in 1944.

They say she can be charged as an accessory to murder because of her role at the camp.

Earlier this year, a 94-year-old man - known as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz" - was jailed under similar circumstances.

Former SS member Oskar Groening was sent to prison for four years over the murder of 300,000 people at the death camp.

In the case of the 91-year-old woman, prosecutors believe there has been no indication she is unfit to stand trial.

However, court officials are not likely to decide whether to proceed with the case until next year.

http://news.sky.com/story/1556540/woman-...zi-charges

I'm genuinely curious how the pussy pass will figure into a political case like this.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(07-22-2015 04:55 PM)Medic42 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 06:41 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 06:22 AM)big poppa Wrote:  

Meanwhile I would doubt if 3% of high-schoolers know anything about the Great Chinese Famine in which 20 million starved, or even who Pol Pot is and what he did in Cambodia. None of that matters, lets talk more about Nazi Germany and the plight of the Jews.

To be fair, most Chinese people don't care about the Holocaust. It happened in Europe, so it's understandable why European, and other western countries study it more etc. It doesn't have nearly the same significance in other places. I think in India they have several Hitler-branded stores/products.

I seriously can't believe that's even a thing. I wonder what the story is on the popularity of such stores/products. Are those mainstream products or niche goods for primarily muslim minority consumers.

The story: Hitler is something of an Indian hero, because... "had Hitler not weakened the British Empire by the Second World War, the British would have never voluntarily left India."

source: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/201...g-in-india

It seems that those are indeed mainstream products/stores.

[El Chinito loco]

The holocaust certainly did happen but it always bothers me how the Jewish diaspora/Israel downplays the other victims who were also gassed in favor of the "chosen ones as the biggest victims of persecution" script that seems to be repeated all the time in the past couple decades.

Even though I don't agree with a lot of the white nationalist/denial rhetoric I do think it's true that it serves as a powerful narrative tool for Israel and various zionist groups in the U.S. to guilt trip various western governments into this current human shield arrangement the U.S. has with Israel.

[Akwesi]

Hm. I believe in being a good man, personal responsibility, and property rights. An enthusiastic Nazi and SS member who robbed hundreds of thousands of old people, women, and children on their way to massacre by his fellow genocidal maniacs deserves to be tried and shamed (whether the sentence is appropriate is another matter, sounds like a lot by European standards under the circumstances). Even Eichmann cried "I was only doing my job," we all know that this is not any real excuse for a man. Also, even those of you who despise today's Jewish elites have to realize that most people killed in the Holocaust were not millionaire bankers and media moguls.

[The Beast1]

I said it somewhere before and i'll say it again:

20 million Russians > 6 million Jews.

WW2 was bad for everyone. Not just the Jews. The second I see this mentioned in the mainstream will be the day this Holocaust guilt ends.

In 20 years no one will be alive to remember this. Good riddance. It's time to move on. Berlin especially should tear down all its remnants of the day it was split.

[Akwesi]

I don't dispute that more Soviet citizens than Jews died in the Second World War. In fact, the number of Soviet ("Russians" is misleading, as only about half of those who died were ethnic Russians) dead was probably well over 20 million and the number of Jews less than 6 million (when I looked into this about ten years ago, the best estimates seemed to range from 4.5 to 5.5. million).

However, we remember the Holocaust, which included both Jews and other targeted groups, not only because about 11 million people died. We remember it because it was a systematic and deliberate campaign of murdering civilian men, women, and children on mostly ethnic grounds, executed by what had until 1933 been the greatest center of science and learning the world had ever seen. It was a grotesque and absurd policy dictated by psychopaths and yet willingly assisted by millions of people drawn from the most educated nation on earth (there were non-German participants, too, of course). It is this that makes it a particularly dark stain on the history of Europe and a disgrace to Western Civilization. To say that we should simply forget it, erase remnants of it, and trivialize it seems like barbarism to me. It is no better than the rabid IS fanatics destroying our common human heritage at Palmyra and Nineveh.

[DINO212]

(07-15-2015 08:36 AM)captndonk Wrote:  

How would you guys feel if your government starts to prosecute all your former bomber pilots?

Taking into consideration the fucktards currently in charge, it probably won't be long before they start.

[tiggaling]

As soon as we talk about "the holocaust" as this thing that happened or not, or that "holocaust deniers" believe the holocaust did not happen, is a really hoodwinked way of looking at this issue as an "either/or" situation, which is grossly simplistic. This perspective is designed to make the presumed holocaust deniers look stupid.

Because "the holocaust" in the public mind is the deliberate extermination of millions of jews. Holocaust revisionists do not dispute the fact that there were a very large amount of concentration camps where jews and others worked during WWII for the German war effort. They say that the majority of Jews died due to Typhus and hunger at the end of the war due to wartime deprivation and that there is no evidence, scientific or otherwise that the Nazi's used gas chambers to kill Jews.

This is from a revisionist forum about this man Oskar Groening and his history.

"Back to the 21st century and the latest Jack-in-the-Holocaust-box, Oskar
Groening.

So they simply edited the words into poor Groening's mouth in the
official distributed text, as Rees now seems to be confessing in his
correspondence with your blog here:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.c...right.html

That same text, of course, was the one used for the foreign dubbings,
and that's that. Anything goes in the happy-go-free world of serious
"Holocaust" publishing & broadcasting...

Unfortunately for Rees, in the original English version both the
superposed English comment and the German words that can be heard
beneath it (if you rewind and pay close attention) give the game away:
the "gas chambers" words are definitely not there.

Now, Rees didn't get away with it, and therefore, neither did Groening
for long. He probably is singing the right tune now and will do all that
is required of him, but the question remains: since both Groening's
voice and the superposed English comment agree in the soundtrack and
leave the gas chambers out, what do you call the transcript deemed to
have miraculously created those words backwards in time?...

Don't be afraid of the words: it's called a FALSIFICATION."

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3197

[Samseau]

(09-22-2015 06:11 AM)Akwesi Wrote:  

I don't dispute that more Soviet citizens than Jews died in the Second World War. In fact, the number of Soviet ("Russians" is misleading, as only about half of those who died were ethnic Russians) dead was probably well over 20 million and the number of Jews less than 6 million (when I looked into this about ten years ago, the best estimates seemed to range from 4.5 to 5.5. million).

However, we remember the Holocaust, which included both Jews and other targeted groups, not only because about 11 million people died. We remember it because it was a systematic and deliberate campaign of murdering civilian men, women, and children on mostly ethnic grounds, executed by what had until 1933 been the greatest center of science and learning the world had ever seen. It was a grotesque and absurd policy dictated by psychopaths and yet willingly assisted by millions of people drawn from the most educated nation on earth (there were non-German participants, too, of course). It is this that makes it a particularly dark stain on the history of Europe and a disgrace to Western Civilization. To say that we should simply forget it, erase remnants of it, and trivialize it seems like barbarism to me. It is no better than the rabid IS fanatics destroying our common human heritage at Palmyra and Nineveh.

Unfortunately, there is nothing exceptional or unique to the genocide in WW2. Virtually every major civilization of all races have practiced genocide.

The fixation on the Germans being particularly evil is very strange, and reeks of a Jewish grudge for being decimated by the Germans.

I understand that why many Jews would hold this grudge. But holding grudges aren't healthy and inevitably leads to more conflicts in the future. In this case the Jewish grudge against the Germans results in them being guilt-tripped into becoming Muslims, who will be far worse than the Nazi's were.

[tiggaling]

We are supposed to believe that the Nazi's killed all those unsuitable for work. But if you watch this video deconstructing the implausible anecdotal evidence of those who claim to have witnessed "gas chambers", you will see that the conditions in the camps were often not too bad for many in the early part of the war.

And "the holocaust" is typically used as an example of how barbaric man can be; German's being the vanquished enemy, were demonised and German national pride conveniently crushed.

As David Irving points out, there is no order from Hitler to exterminate the Jews, and there is no documentation to the effect this event ever occurred. And no plausible physical evidence which makes any sense.

In that case, I think it is perfectly reasonable to doubt the version of history we are presented with.

It is not implausible that the Germans did kill Jews en masse in gas chambers, which the Eisatzgruppen certain did through shooting, but they kept meticulous records.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

The issue that revisionists have, is that there is no evidence of gas chambers, which represent the brutal, systematic genocide and for most people represent the horror of "the holocaust"

A little bit of digging reveals that much of what we call "the holocaust" was manufactured by the allies, including the soviets.

http://www.thechristiansolution.com/doc2...enial.html

[DjembaDjemba]

Quote:

Unfortunately, there is nothing exceptional or unique to the genocide in WW2. Virtually every major civilization of all races have practiced genocide.

That's not true. There have been historical instances of this but it's not the norm. The European holocaust and Genghis Khan's invasion of China and Europe are probably the most egregious instances of systematic civilian massacres in an organized fashion.

Most of the time large sprawling multiracial, multi ethnic and multi cultural empires try and stop their civilians from killing each other over tribalism.

Read a little about the history of India, China, and Russia to get a sense of what a long term strategies empires use to smooth out differences within their populations.