[Fortis]

Well, I can feel for this kid. THink of the constraints, this isn't like when many of us were in grade school. YOu can't get into fights anymore because self-defense in schools is seen as an agressive action and not a defensive action. If he were to get up and start swinging they'd pin him as some sort of agressive minority who is causing trouble in the schools. Instead, he's getting them acting like retards and using it as evidence.

At the same time, everyone is going to hate him for making school even more stultifying and controlled than it already is.

It's like that zen koan:

You're hands are tied and you're hanging from a ledge by your teeth. There is a man above you on the ledge who wants you to answer a question and he's threatening to kill you if you don't.

What do you do?

[samsamsam]

(03-04-2015 05:53 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 05:35 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

However, I don't see the wrong in kids making fun of a kid who wears a Indian hat or whatever it is. These accessories are the production of weird, introverted cultures that base their values on submission to God, abandoning individuality and adapting the group's characteristics. In other words, it's a uniform. It indicates that you belong to a certain group of people. It's not simply practicing your religion and beliefs, it's about displaying them. By wearing that hat, 1) You are declaring to the world that you are different from them and that you belong to a certain group, 2) You are showing that you think that they are wrong and YOURS is the right way, that they will probably go to hell while you go to wherever it is that your people think they will go. Thus, you are purposely separating yourself from the others while passively belittling their beliefs. So how can you be offended or even surprised when people make fun of you?

Incorrect – Sikhism doesn’t belittle other people’s religion, in fact it’s one of the most tolerant religions out there. Sikhism doesn’t teach that their way is the right way and every other way is wrong. Some of other monotheistic faiths preach something like that, but Sikhism doesn’t.

Turkishcandy.

This event occurred in America.

Per Wikipedia.

Quote:

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

Plenty of religions display their unique characteristics. I don't hear a lot of complaints about jewish yarmulke, the cross you get for Ash Wednesday, etc.

I really doubt the kid is telling the other kids he is better than them. If he did that I am sure he would have bruises on his face from the beatings he would have gotten.

[DrewP]

Adolescents are just plain psychopaths. When I was in middle school I recall hearing things far worse than this on a daily basis. Someone calling an Arab-looking student a "terrorist" wouldn't even ping the radar given the stuff I remember; we're talking death threats, wishing another Holocaust to Jewish students, beating up kids who seemed gay, etc. Female teachers would routinely cry over the shit they witnessed.

If you really want to see the kind of maliciousness kids take pleasure in, here's your video. They even go so far as to make fun of the fact that this lady's son committed suicide.

[turkishcandy]

(03-04-2015 07:21 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Turkishcandy.

This event occurred in America.

Per Wikipedia.

Quote:

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

Plenty of religions display their unique characteristics. I don't hear a lot of complaints about jewish yarmulke, the cross you get for Ash Wednesday, etc.

I really doubt the kid is telling the other kids he is better than them. If he did that I am sure he would have bruises on his face from the beatings he would have gotten.

I'm not sure the first amendment argument is relevant, it protects you from being prosecuted. I'm talking about how people perceive you and treat you in return. Let me counter with another example.

If you are gay, you have the right to not be discriminated against based on your sexuality. Even if people can tell that you're gay from the way you talk and walk, it's wrong of them if they stand in your face and make fun of you. But if you wear rainbow-colored clothes and act like a clown, you make your sexuality people's business and you give them the right to judge you by your gayness.

I think the same should go for religions. If you publicly display your religion and preach about it, you make your beliefs people's business and give them the chance to judge you by them, which they judge and find them ridiculous, therefore they ridicule you. To simply stop this process, you can stop wearing this UNIFORM that publicly displays your religion.

Wearing religious clothes in day-to-day life is like wearing a t-shirt that says something very controversial (like ''I'm a feminist'' or ''I hate gays'' or ''Fuck Vegans'') and then demanding that people treat you neutral when you encounter people who don't share your beliefs.

Since you brought up the first amendment, I'd say you are missing the bigger picture here. This kid is not at the age to independently make the choice to wear something that shows everyone his parents' religion. He was most probably brainwashed by his parents to believe that wearing it is the right thing to do. In result, he will walk around with a religious hat all his life, fearing that taking it off is a sin or something. This will affect all his social life, business dating and overall happiness. By allowing kids to wear these things, you are taking away their freedom to choose what they want to believe and letting their parents choose for them instead. The same thing goes for burqa. Burqa, hat and all the other religious clothes and accessories are NOT a freedom, they are compulsory. When it's legal and socially acceptable to wear them, children don't have the right NOT to wear them. Thus in effect you are sentencing children to wear these things due to their parental pressure. Since a 8 year old kid can't defy his parents about something as serious as religion and the meaning of mortal life, the first amendment that was supposed to protect his freedom indirectly takes away the rights of any child who has religious parents who wear religious clothes. Consequently, if your parents tell you to wear a stupid hat, you have to wear and thankfully your right to wear a Turban as a 10 year old child is protected by the first amendment. Yeeayy...

[Atticus]

(03-04-2015 05:07 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

"Son, not everyone you meet in life has to like you, and you don't have to like them back. Resorting to Public Shaming, thereby forcing your entire school to undertake 'Sensitivity Training' in an attempt to make them like you, or else, is bitch behaviour, and will make you despised."

"I was going to have this conversation when you were older, but... son, you're adopted."

double plus good.

[Atticus]

As usual AnonymousBosch and Lizard of Oz are the voice of reason...

[WestIndianArchie]

(03-04-2015 06:48 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 06:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 06:34 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 06:19 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I'd blame myself for raising my family in the Deep South.

WIA

The Deep South can mean many things I consider people in Georgia to be northerners

If we're talking FL, if it ain't Miami, that's the deep South too.

WIA

How do you know?

I got family in Florida. Been many times. How else?

WIA

[el mechanico]

(03-04-2015 07:55 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 06:48 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 06:41 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 06:34 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 06:19 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I'd blame myself for raising my family in the Deep South.

WIA

The Deep South can mean many things I consider people in Georgia to be northerners

If we're talking FL, if it ain't Miami, that's the deep South too.

WIA

How do you know?

I got family in Florida. Been many times. How else?

WIA

So you've visited how cute.

[WalterBlack]

(03-04-2015 07:41 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

If you publicly display your religion and preach about it, you make your beliefs people's business and give them the chance to judge you by them, which they judge and find them ridiculous, therefore they ridicule you. To simply stop this process, you can stop wearing this UNIFORM that publicly displays your religion.

This kid is not preaching. In fact, I’ve never seen a Sikh preaching outside of a religious gathering in my life. I’ve seen plenty of Christians standing on street corners inviting people to Jesus. It's not a uniform, there's nothing stopping him having hair out in the open, but it's impractical so he fastens it under a patka.

What did the kid do to deserve shit from anybody?

(03-04-2015 07:41 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Wearing religious clothes in day-to-day life is like wearing a t-shirt that says something very controversial (like ''I'm a feminist'' or ''I hate gays'' or ''Fuck Vegans'') and then demanding that people treat you neutral when you encounter people who don't share your beliefs.

People don’t normally wear religious garb to provoke other people, they normally wear it as a sign of modesty and/or faith.

(03-04-2015 07:41 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Since you brought up the first amendment, I'd say you are missing the bigger picture here. This kid is not at the age to independently make the choice to wear something that shows everyone his parents' religion. He was most probably brainwashed by his parents to believe that wearing it is the right thing to do. In result, he will walk around with a religious hat all his life, fearing that taking it off is a sin or something. This will affect all his social life, business dating and overall happiness. By allowing kids to wear these things, you are taking away their freedom to choose what they want to believe and letting their parents choose for them instead. The same thing goes for burqa. Burqa, hat and all the other religious clothes and accessories are NOT a freedom, they are compulsory. When it's legal and socially acceptable to wear them, children don't have the right NOT to wear them. Thus in effect you are sentencing children to wear these things due to their parental pressure. Since a 8 year old kid can't defy his parents about something as serious as religion and the meaning of mortal life, the first amendment that was supposed to protect his freedom indirectly takes away the freedom of any child who has religious parents who wear religious clothes. Consequently, if your parents tell you to wear a stupid hat, you have to wear and thankfully your right to wear a Hindu hat as a 10 year old child is protected by the first amendment. Yeeayy...

The kid is not Hindu, he’s a Sikh. What’s a Hindu hat? I’m from a Hindu background and I’ve never heard of such a thing. Indian ≠ Hindu.

He wouldn’t wear a patka his whole life, since he would wear almost certainly wear a turban when he got older. He may even end up cutting his hair. As I mentioned in my first post, I knew guys who worse a similar head coverings and who cut their hear because of the amount of shit that they were getting. They were getting shit from other Indian kids, who felt it looked funny!

I defied my parents about religion when I was 8. My dad used to take me to the temple weekly, around the time I was 8 I said I don't want to go any more - he said "fine, you don't have to go". I never went after that. About 15 years later he said to me, There's one thing I can say to you - I never forced religion on to you".

[el mechanico]

You guys know this is the exact " perfect storm" that created the real deal IRT himself.

I would suggest your communities latch on to this an clean it up.

[Brian Shima]

The parents are dumb for making him wear that. He does not have an accent and looks normal, none of this would happened if he didn't wear that do rag thing.....

[turkishcandy]

(03-04-2015 08:11 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I defied my parents about religion when I was 8. My dad used to take me to the temple weekly, around the time I was 8 I said I don't want to go any more - he said "fine, you don't have to go". I never went after that. About 15 years later he said to me, There's one thing I can say to you - I never forced religion on to you".

WalterBlack, forgive me for the tecnicalities Hat/Turban/Patka whatever.

Going to temple can't be compared to wearing Patka. The latter has a direct and concrete effect on how you present yourself to the society and how the society perceives you. Going to temple can't be subject to bullying and public humiliation. You're lucky your parents didn't make you wear a patka.

Now you look me in the eye and tell me this kid is choosing to wear this and, if he wanted, he could defy his parents and not wear it anymore and not face serious consequences for that. Can you say this?

[WalterBlack]

(03-04-2015 08:26 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

The parents are dumb for making him wear that. He does not have an accent and looks normal, none of this would happened if he didn't wear that do rag thing.....

I agree, his parents should think about how other kids would treat him.

When the Sikhs came to the UK in 1950s and 1960s, nobody would hire them for work, so they had to become clean shaven so that they could get jobs.

(03-04-2015 08:38 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 08:11 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I defied my parents about religion when I was 8. My dad used to take me to the temple weekly, around the time I was 8 I said I don't want to go any more - he said "fine, you don't have to go". I never went after that. About 15 years later he said to me, There's one thing I can say to you - I never forced religion on to you".

WalterBlack, forgive me for the tecnicalities Hat/Turban/Patka whatever.

Going to temple can't be compared to wearing Patka. The latter has a direct and concrete effect on how you present yourself to the society and how the society perceives you. Going to temple can't be subject to bullying and public humiliation. You're lucky your parents didn't make you wear a patka.

Now you look me in the eye and tell me this kid is choosing to wear this and, if he wanted, he could defy his parents and not wear it anymore and not face serious consequences for that. Can you say this?

I'm not a Sikh, so I would never have worn a patka.

I can't tell you the kids mindset, if he was raised like that then he might think it's the way he's supposed to dress. He may not have a problem with it.

I also can't speak for his parents. A lot of Hindu and Sikh parents are OK with their kids not being religious.

[Feisbook Control]

Whatever I might think of various religions, assimilation vs multiculturalism, etc. (I'm sure many of the regulars are aware of my positions), it's just tacky and lower class to start harassing people because of how they dress. Don't socialise with them, don't employ them, etc., but it's crass to actively give them a hard time.

I second what Roosh said about public schools. They're vicious, feral places. I always laugh when people bring up the "socialisation" argument against home schooling. Yeah, because the socialisation at public schools is so wonderful... That said, I wouldn't even limit it to public schools. I went to a private school and it was like Lord of the Flies at times, including being actively encouraged by some teachers. I think it's mass education in general, not government education specifically.

If you want a pretty jaundiced view of humanity, go and become a teacher for a few years. Glad I got out.

[pheonix500000]

(03-04-2015 09:59 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

Whatever I might think of various religions, assimilation vs multiculturalism, etc. (I'm sure many of the regulars are aware of my positions), it's just tacky and lower class to start harassing people because of how they dress. Don't socialise with them, don't employ them, etc., but it's crass to actively give them a hard time.

I second what Roosh said about public schools. They're vicious, feral places. I always laugh when people bring up the "socialisation" argument against home schooling. Yeah, because the socialisation at public schools is so wonderful... That said, I wouldn't even limit it to public schools. I went to a private school and it was like Lord of the Flies at times, including being actively encouraged by some teachers. I think it's mass education in general, not government education specifically.

If you want a pretty jaundiced view of humanity, go and become a teacher for a few years. Glad I got out.

Hey dude can you expand on that?

what happens when you become a teacher?

[Brian Shima]

(03-04-2015 09:59 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

Whatever I might think of various religions, assimilation vs multiculturalism, etc. (I'm sure many of the regulars are aware of my positions), it's just tacky and lower class to start harassing people because of how they dress. Don't socialise with them, don't employ them, etc., but it's crass to actively give them a hard time.

I second what Roosh said about public schools. They're vicious, feral places. I always laugh when people bring up the "socialisation" argument against home schooling. Yeah, because the socialisation at public schools is so wonderful... That said, I wouldn't even limit it to public schools. I went to a private school and it was like Lord of the Flies at times, including being actively encouraged by some teachers. I think it's mass education in general, not government education specifically.

If you want a pretty jaundiced view of humanity, go and become a teacher for a few years. Glad I got out.

Have you ever met a home schooled kid that wasnt a weirdo.....me either

[monster]

(03-04-2015 09:59 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

Whatever I might think of various religions, assimilation vs multiculturalism, etc. (I'm sure many of the regulars are aware of my positions), it's just tacky and lower class to start harassing people because of how they dress. Don't socialise with them, don't employ them, etc., but it's crass to actively give them a hard time.

I second what Roosh said about public schools. They're vicious, feral places. I always laugh when people bring up the "socialisation" argument against home schooling. Yeah, because the socialisation at public schools is so wonderful... That said, I wouldn't even limit it to public schools. I went to a private school and it was like Lord of the Flies at times, including being actively encouraged by some teachers. I think it's mass education in general, not government education specifically.

If you want a pretty jaundiced view of humanity, go and become a teacher for a few years. Glad I got out.

Yep, sending a boy to public school is a good way to ensure that he'll never amount to anything in life.

[la_mode]

Home-schooling is terrible. Kids in general need to learn how to interact with other kids from a young age. Boys especially. Even with all the indoctrination happening in schools in the west (which is really nothing new), simply being around peers is still better than home-schooling a kid turning him into a complete nerd by default.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Honestly on going to school stateside quite recently I can say this. Public school is a damned good place to learn the social hierarchy and abuse it. If you can encourage your MALE child to read a lot as a kid while at the same time forcing interaction with classmates and teaching him how to make friends/influence people he'll have a great time. Public schools are a hierarchy and I think the most "red pill" thing to do is to teach your kid how to stand on top of it.

[Phoenix]

I'd just get the kid to give them a little history lesson on Sikhs, including their prior track record of service to the British empire, and to emphasize the difference with Muslims including mentioning Muslim-Sikh conflicts.

Unfortunately there is no way to force groups of idiots to be acceptable human beings, the normal remedy is to leave their presence and quietly maneuver 'pushing them down and out'. School precludes this. No social institution needs more of a revamp than the schools.

[Veloce]

Just kids being kids.

To reply to the thread title: I would never make my kid wear any article of clothing to adhere to any religion. It's easy to say because I'm not Sikh, but I also understand that kids are cruel and will make fun of anything that's out of the ordinary.

Okay so let's say my kid is super tall and skinny, or has fucked up teeth, or has to wear thick prescription lenses, some other trait that would lead to bullying. I'd teach him a few game tricks, like agree and amplify.

"Son, if a kid at school ever calls you a pussy, just reply with, 'Hey, I am what I eat.' If they call you any names that you can't think of a clever answer, always claim you fucked their mom last night. So if they call you a retard, tell them, 'I might be a retard but your mom didn't have a problem with it last night.'"

I would teach him to identify when a bully is about to get physical and I'd teach him to strike first and to hit hard where it counts. I would tell him, "If someone wants to start a fight at school, don't wait. Don't meet them by the flag pole. Hit them right then and there, throw them to the ground and put your knee on their neck. Don't worry about getting in trouble, I'll deal with that."

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-04-2015 05:40 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I told my kid if she gets bullied even though I doubt it will happen to get the kids last name then I'll go bully the parents myself.

I sometimes wonder what people here look like in real life.

When I read El Mechanico's words, I always imagine the hard-bitten bounty hunter played by Warren Oates in the classic Sam Peckinpah movie Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia.




This has just got to be him. It just has to be...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Young kids now have no discipline and I noticed that children in the US are way less disciplined than the ones in Europe - I experienced both high schools and found the ones in the US by far more wild in terms of bullying.

Essentially nothing is surprising because when crowds move into negative territory, they absolve themselves individually from responsibility and can do atrocious things without feeling any self-control.

That's why I was always uneasy in huge crowds since I knew that those can quite easily be manipulated as their emotions behave similar to a grumpy or a giddy 3 year old.

Fighting bullies is not always an option - in this case a girl led most of the charge. It certainly would help for the kid to start working out, take some boxing lessons - bullies respect strength and a bulked up Sikh commands a different kind of respect than a skinny Sikh.

Otherwise I share Roosh's opinion - in our times it's either homeschooling or super-high-end elite schools. Any other place will likely fuck up your kid mentally.

[CJ_W]

(03-04-2015 05:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Degenerate parents raise monster kids. Home schooling or good private schools are the answer.

This is pretty much the answer, Wearing a "Traditional headress" to elementary, or middle school is SUICIDE, no matter what race, religion.

Hell, I got made fun of for wearing ugly "Bill Cosby" sweaters, you better believe I stopped that shit pretty quickly, to which the bullies moved on to a guy who used to wear SUPER Tight ass jeans and the dude never, EVER changed it, he never got the message, so they kept at it, he eventually turned gay, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't born that way, and I'm certain that the bullying he got had something to do with it.

If *I* were his father, I never would have made him wear that bullshit in the first place, I'd have him keep all that stuff at home. I'd have him wear decent clothes that didn't attract attention, I'd have him involved in sports before hand so that he'd look athletic enough so that kids wouldn't want to mess with him. I don't get that a lot of immigrants seem to want their children to broadcast their religion at school when there's NO need to. Being a parent has a lot more thought that needs to be put into it than most parents do. I went to school with a lot of Jews and they didn't wear Yamulkas at school, but they sure did when they went to temple. They were in sports and everything, they were properly socialized by the time they went to school. So they never really had any problems.

Kids are MEAN, period, if you come looking goofy, you're going to get picked on! Any parent that doesn't know that and makes their kid come to school looking like something out of the Afghan desert, and expects kids NOT to make fun of them, is on some super low quality Dope.

It all comes back to parenting.

All that bullying could have went away but now he had to film it, and it's probably going to get worse. The father will have to take that kid out of school, and send him somewhere else. I'm betting that the Father or the son wont fix what got them into the situation in the first place. It'll just happen all over again.

[It_is_my_time]

One problem is that the leftist who run academia in the USA are completely clueless to about anything in life and they have deemed anyone involved in a fight to get the same punishment.

So when kids get bullied at many schools in the USA and they choose to fight back, they can get expelled from the school all together.

My guess is it is a mix of feminists who think it is a great way to destroy male students and at the same time it teaches people at a young age to not stand up for themselves. Making them easier citizens to bully and push around when they do grow up.