[Moma]

(12-07-2014 11:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

So Breezy is play acting when he's rapping about women not being loyal but trying to wife up an obviously unloyal woman and then crying about it afterwards like he expected different?

If rappers can't even walk the walk anymore, who can?

Technically Breezy is not a rapper, he's an RnB singer.

[Moma]

(12-07-2014 11:13 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

So Drake now has "stolen" 2 of Chris Brown's chicks? This is highly amusing.

They've had some beef that's been going on for a bit. Didn't Tony Parker get cut at some event where drama between the two broke out? Battle for supremacy of the light skinned one.

[JoyStick]

(12-07-2014 11:01 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 10:39 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I'm a fan of Pac for the record.

I like Pac for quotables but prefer Biggie cos Mr Wallace had a better flow. This is why I like guys like Big L who's subject matter consisted of guns, crack sales, homicides, hos and one upping the jakes. Pretty limited material but the way he navigated it in lyrical form had me shivering.

Anyway back to regular programming:

This post shows why game is necessary in all tiers. It doesn't stop once you get money and fame. It just means you play it a higher level and usually with higher stakes.

Pac have more quotables because he basically lived in the studio.

Biggie was busy being a real g.

[TravelerKai]

This Tran chick looks like a Blasian. Like half black and Vietnamese. Many brothers get super ultra sprung off those due to how rare they are. Chris is a whiner if he cannot get over that, but when you think about it for a minute and put yourself in his shoes, almost everyone in the world remembers him for smacking the shit out of a woman. Can you imagine some of the shut downs he probably gets from some women? Even people outside the US know about his assault, especially certain Europeans like UK people. So what looks like an awkward case of oneitis, in some ways is aggravated by the fact that he has that reputation to deal with, when it comes to procuring a hot 8+ chick.

And before someone here tries to charge me up a say some shit like, "Kai that case don't mean shit, Chris probably pulls 8-10's every night regardless!" Even if that was true, think about the ones that automatically NEXT his ass, over that shit in his past. Any man prone to oneitis, will take it hard when certain specific ones turn them down like trash, when they looked perfect for him. Being a rich celeb, that has to hurt his ego. Look at that sour grapes message he wrote about "bringing someone up".

Many of us will never know how it feels to be internationally famous for hitting a bitch and having to deal with oneitis like that.

[kosko]

Drake grew up with hostile Toronto women. Your game gets hardened up by our hard headed women when you deal with their games. Plus Toronto taught Drake to not care if a woman got a man. Thats his problem, not Drakes... Control your woman.

Drake has a long hit list. Dude has been bating above his average for a minute.

But look at reality and not the fake image they put in their brands and music. Drake takes his mom to award shows over hoes, he does not give those types of women a platform to attention whore and get wild. Drake when he is in town he has his controlled atmosphere with his party spots and he bans phones (he has a private, condo, club and shisha lounge for him and his crew to party with local women, tightly controlled). So agian women can't attention whore and use him, or catch him in compromising positions. On his tour he has a fire wall between him and women, his people will vet the girls in steps before they get to hang with him. A girl can spend a whole night trying to be cute and get within a foot of the man, do something dumb, and get booted out. Regardless of how hot she it, hey don't care.

On the flip, Chris Brown is always hugging up and kissing up on his women. Always out in public with then and all of that. Will let any hot girl get near him after shows and instragram with him, exact opposite.

Both talk shit in their brand/music. Drake acts like the he soft dude whom crys and eats pussy while begging, while CB fronts like he's a pimp. It's the exact opposite for this guys.

Drake is far from a role model. He is still a corny Jewish Black dude Forest Hill, but behind the scenes he has always kept it consistent and to himself. I can respect that.

[Old Fritz]

You can tell Chris Brown has never had a proper male role model in his life.

[heavy]

Great posts, including the Omarion story.

The problem: These guys are naturals. Naturals are inherently narcissistic, to the point of near blindness. Their in-born charisma, which normally stems from narcissism, is what fostered their success (with these guys, talent as well, but with average joe natural, usually more typical talents like sales or managerial or business or law or whatever).

Socioeconomically speaking, naturals aren't women's biggest problem, because women are manipulative enough to take advantage of these guys. Even small-town naturals, losers who are narcissistic and naturally good with women, will pay the child-support and do stupid things that will be taken care of by the court system because they're morons (though confident morons).

The problem, again socioeconomically speaking, are the born-agains. The guys here on RVF, the guys everywhere, who are learning the hard way how women behave. The nerds. Us guys who've watched those naturals succeed, figure it out, figure out *why*, and realize the game is fixed.

It's like realizing the game is fixed, the refs and umpires have been paid, the women will win, so we play the game, but we bet on the other team and throw the game. We'll give up the win, the championship, for the payoff on the over-under. We'll go in to the locker room as "losers" without anyone realizing we lost on purpose, that we just made out like bandits.

We know the game is fixed, the women have written the rules and won. And we play accordingly.

Maybe we don't have that dime-piece on our arm at the company Christmas party, but we didn't pay the $15k for the diamond ring on her finger either. We'll settle for the college coed worshipping our cock for a few months before she realizes we won't settle down.

That's not to say the naturals don't have great lives, it's just a different way of living life I guess. It's a different way of being alpha I suppose.

So no matter what level you achieve, remember why you achieved it. Humility. Remember women have the game fixed. When you think you've figured out the game, remember the women win. Play accordingly.

[Moma]

(12-07-2014 11:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Drake grew up with hostile Toronto women. Your game gets hardened up by our hard headed women when you deal with their games. Plus Toronto taught Drake to not care if a woman got a man.

kosko, hold on a min. Before you said Toronto dudes are soft (you referred to the Tristan incident where he was kissing on the reporter) and now you say that Toronto breeds tough players? I disagree. Toronto teaches you how to take lots of hits but you don't get that reward of being able to see your prey get knocked to the canvass nearly as much as you get slugged in the face.

I've lived and visited different cities across the world and Toronto is one of the most beta I have ever encountered.

In regards to the behaviour of Drake and Chris, it could be that Drake is more business minded. I'm not sure I could say that it spawned from his environment though.

[Sensei Creation]

Damn Drake is a real problem out here lol .

- Rihanna
- Kamehama
- Jhonni Blaze
- Black Chyna
- Serena Williams

The list goes on..

He is consistently fucking these rappers girls lol

Meanwhile Kanye , Wiz , Breezy , Joe Buddens out here putting pussy on a pedestal..

[kosko]

(12-08-2014 12:10 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 11:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Drake grew up with hostile Toronto women. Your game gets hardened up by our hard headed women when you deal with their games. Plus Toronto taught Drake to not care if a woman got a man.

kosko, hold on a min. Before you said Toronto dudes are soft (you referred to the Tristan incident where he was kissing on the reporter) and now you say that Toronto breeds tough players? I disagree. Toronto teaches you how to take lots of hits but you don't get that reward of being able to see your prey get knocked to the canvass nearly as much as you get slugged in the face.

I've lived and visited different cities across the world and Toronto is one of the most beta I have ever encountered.

In regards to the behaviour of Drake and Chris, it could be that Drake is more business minded. I'm not sure I could say that it spawned from his environment though.

I've seen some of the best and worst game in this city. You know just as much as me that its torn here with elite level dudes and mostly losers. Only signifier is the weak women. I feel that its the softness of our dudes that makes the women so terrible but out of that situation for a minority of men that learn to adapt. Get skills. Then bounce for greener pastures. You have to bounce because you will never be rewarded for your efforts here by the women, always will have to date down and fuck below your average unless you expend way to much energy, time, resources.

Drake had to swim in these shark waters before he bounced. There is that balance in the city of being ablento take shots that make you stronger versus grinding you down.

How else can we explain it. Drake to most Americans is a goofy Canadian Kat yet he is pulling women away from American Men whom supposedly have a advantage over the nice and polite Canadians. Even Chris Brown in jail couldn't give his girl enough alpha tingles to keep her off the CN Tower of a maple syrup Canadian. Toronto must do some things right in breeding a small number of sharp tooth players. The environment us to toxic here to not at least pump out an all star now and then.

[Sensei Creation]

(12-07-2014 07:41 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

Drake fucking people's girls comes from a position of weakness.

If you look at the more famous rap beefs, Jay vs. Nas and Tupac vs. Biggie, Carmen/Faith were part of a bigger war.

Drake won't actually beef with anyone directly, he just runs to go simp on their girlfriend when they're not looking.

Actually Jay Z fucked Nas baby mother , and famously rapped about it during the Jay Z/Nas beef .

Remember the famous " Condoms in the baby seat " line ?

As for Tubac/Big ... " That's why I fucked your bitch you fat motherfuc*er "
Ring any bells ?

So that whole position of weakness argument is invalid , rappers BEEN fucking each others girls .

Drake not beefing with anyone directly ?

Shots fired at Common ? Uncle Luke ? Jay Z ?

[Comte De St. Germain]

(12-07-2014 11:56 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Great posts, including the Omarion story.

The problem: These guys are naturals. Naturals are inherently narcissistic, to the point of near blindness. Their in-born charisma, which normally stems from narcissism, is what fostered their success (with these guys, talent as well, but with average joe natural, usually more typical talents like sales or managerial or business or law or whatever).

Socioeconomically speaking, naturals aren't women's biggest problem, because women are manipulative enough to take advantage of these guys. Even small-town naturals, losers who are narcissistic and naturally good with women, will pay the child-support and do stupid things that will be taken care of by the court system because they're morons (though confident morons).

The problem, again socioeconomically speaking, are the born-agains. The guys here on RVF, the guys everywhere, who are learning the hard way how women behave. The nerds. Us guys who've watched those naturals succeed, figure it out, figure out *why*, and realize the game is fixed.

It's like realizing the game is fixed, the refs and umpires have been paid, the women will win, so we play the game, but we bet on the other team and throw the game. We'll give up the win, the championship, for the payoff on the over-under. We'll go in to the locker room as "losers" without anyone realizing we lost on purpose, that we just made out like bandits.

We know the game is fixed, the women have written the rules and won. And we play accordingly.

Maybe we don't have that dime-piece on our arm at the company Christmas party, but we didn't pay the $15k for the diamond ring on her finger either. We'll settle for the college coed worshipping our cock for a few months before she realizes we won't settle down.

That's not to say the naturals don't have great lives, it's just a different way of living life I guess. It's a different way of being alpha I suppose.

So no matter what level you achieve, remember why you achieved it. Humility. Remember women have the game fixed. When you think you've figured out the game, remember the women win. Play accordingly.

[jariel]

Drake:

Quote:

“I’m trying to find the same feelings that I had for women when I had very little going on, which is tough,” he says. “When I was in my mom’s house, I had nowhere to go, no real obligations. My girlfriend at the time, if she was mad at me, my day was all fucked-up. I didn’t have anything else. And that made for some of the best music, I think, to date. Records where I felt small. That feeling is hard to capture when you’re sitting out here in a space like this.” He gestures to the pool, the tennis court, the volleyball court, the stables. “It’s really difficult for me to find something that makes me feel small.”

Spritzer in hand, he spreads himself out on the couch and acknowledges that, yes, he had a spell there when he was fucking tons of girls…but that just wasn’t right for him: “There’s just a time where it was like, just getting pussy. Where I was in that sort of ‘I’m young, I’m going to disconnect from my emotions and just do what everyone else tells me I should do and just be a rapper and have my fun.’ And for me as a person, it just doesn’t work. I just need something else. The seconds after a man reaches climax, that’s like the realest moment of your life. If I don’t want you next to me in that fifteen, twenty seconds, then there’s something wrong.”

The fire starts to die out, Sixteen Candlescomes to an end, and I ask if I can see his closet—after all, he designed his own $5,000 arctic-fox-fur, gold-hardware bomber jacket. We wander into the house, a woody manor. Drake enters some numbers into a keypad on a bookshelf and—presto!— it swings open into his massive, paisley-swathed sleeping chamber, complete with a California king bed, for which he must purchase custom sheets.

When I ask about the strange square above the bed, he grabs a remote, and a projection system emerges from the ceiling. Neato, I say.

“Would I have you already?” he asks. “Are you sleeping with me?”

Time to go!

It’s a hypothetical question (I think), but Drake, being Drake, still wants an answer: “We had wine and dinner by the pool, I brought you inside, I brought the projector down; are you or are you not sleeping with me?”

[Travesty]

(12-07-2014 11:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

So Breezy is play acting when he's rapping about women not being loyal but trying to wife up an obviously unloyal woman and then crying about it afterwards like he expected different?

If rappers can't even walk the walk anymore, who can?

Isn't this fitting with your nerds will rule the world post?

Drake is the smart one as far as rappers go his background is nerd. He is bright though. Knows how to sell product and keep his bitches in check.

Public figures without brains are getting slammed left and right.

[Saga]

(12-07-2014 11:56 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Remember women have the game fixed. When you think you've figured out the game, remember the women win. Play accordingly.

Recently I've started to think that in general, women own the realm of lust just like men own the realm of physical prowess. Women seem to have the same level of default advantage over men in matters of attraction as men do over women in sports. That's probably why women can't deal with rejection, they instinctively understand that it's basically the equivalent of a man losing to a woman in 1v1 basketball or a wrestling match...it's embarrassing, it's pitiful, it's not supposed to happen.

Like you said, even the best naturals get played over time because the house always wins...similar to how even the best women athletes will get taken to school by a man because nature made us that way. I guess the only way to win is by losing the right way.

[jariel]

I think we need to pump the brakes on "these guys are naturals".

They make mistakes that "naturals" just don't make.

A "natural" doesn't allow a no-name chick to capitalize off his fame, then dump him after she's fucked his arch-nemesis and created something for herself.

A "natural" doesn't take 50 large to a strip club:



I agree these guys are narcissists and highly-talented at what they do, but that doesn't make them naturals with women.

[jariel]

(12-08-2014 03:19 AM)Saga Wrote:  

Like you said, even the best naturals get played over time because the house always wins.

It's a bad idea to deal in absolutes. To say the house always wins is to say that every girl, because it's her nature, gets over on the man every time.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

If guys want to take L's in their dealings with women, that's their business, there are a number of guys here, myself included, who give advice as how to not do that, and we can only do that because we've figured out how to win our dealings with women.

[DVY]

So thats why chris brown threw that fat party in LA. He was trying to have break-up sex.

[Enigma]

(12-08-2014 12:55 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:41 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

Drake fucking people's girls comes from a position of weakness.

If you look at the more famous rap beefs, Jay vs. Nas and Tupac vs. Biggie, Carmen/Faith were part of a bigger war.

Drake won't actually beef with anyone directly, he just runs to go simp on their girlfriend when they're not looking.

Actually Jay Z fucked Nas baby mother , and famously rapped about it during the Jay Z/Nas beef .

Remember the famous " Condoms in the baby seat " line ?

As for Tubac/Big ... " That's why I fucked your bitch you fat motherfuc*er "
Ring any bells ?

So that whole position of weakness argument is invalid , rappers BEEN fucking each others girls .

Did you even read what you just quoted?

"Carmen/Faith were part of a bigger war"

Meaning Carmen Bryant (Nas's baby momma) and Faith Evans (Biggie's girl).

And despite fucking Nas's ex-girlfriend, Jay cried on the radio when "Ether" dropped.

So my "whole position of weakness" argument is completely valid. Most people still think Jay lost that battle, even though he threw everything he had at Nas.

Quote:

Drake not beefing with anyone directly ?

Shots fired at Common ? Uncle Luke ? Jay Z ?

" It's just vague subliminals or these sensitive interviews where it's obvious his feelings are hurt long after the other party's forgotten about it."

Drake never addresses anyone directly in his music, and he always denies any and everything in interviews.

Even Jay, king of the subliminals, has called him out by name on wax.

But when Drake mentioned Hov, it was some passive aggressive comment in an interview. Everything on records is just completely vague and could be directed at anyone. He'll just try to hit up Beyonce at a Nets game and get shot down.

Common, same thing. Drake got called out and clowned on wax, then he maybe slept with Common's ex after they weren't even together anymore.

Even Lil' Wayne -- who was still the bigger name at the time -- responded to Pusha T's "Exodus 23:1" by calling him out by name, but Drake keeps his mouth shut.

Pusha doesn't have a main chick, so he has no recourse to get back at him. He's afraid of direct confrontation. You've got someone publicly calling you a bitch, and your only response, if any, is to sleep with their ex?

[Muk]

(12-07-2014 07:20 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

"I'm sleep" means "I ain't tryin to hear that bullshit you talking"

Like when a girl is talking bout some boring shit and you tease her by fake snoring--same thing.

Not to be confused with the phrases
"don't sleep on me"--translation: wake up and pay attention I'm the truth
"the most slept on"--someone who is low key killing it and not getting recognition

So...has anyone put together a list of modern slang terms?
I know, Urban Dictionary, but that's full of fake shit

[dads]

(12-08-2014 04:25 AM)jariel Wrote:  

I think we need to pump the brakes on "these guys are naturals".

They make mistakes that "naturals" just don't make.

A "natural" doesn't allow a no-name chick to capitalize off his fame, then dump him after she's fucked his arch-nemesis and created something for herself.

A "natural" doesn't take 50 large to a strip club:



I agree these guys are narcissists and highly-talented at what they do, but that doesn't make them naturals with women.

I think when people say "natural" they're referring to someone who has always been able to pull. The result of a lifetime of that can lead a few different ways, but rarely does it lead to someone having the mindset of Roosh or Rollo. Which is why they still slip up.

[kosko]

Watch is new ex leak some compromising pics of the man after he gets all emotional online like that. These dudes don't learn.

[Saga]

(12-08-2014 04:29 AM)jariel Wrote:  

If guys want to take L's in their dealings with women, that's their business, there are a number of guys here, myself included, who give advice as how to not do that, and we can only do that because we've figured out how to win our dealings with women.

Definitely, that's game, and it starts when a guy begins to think outside the parameters presented to him by women. Chris Brown committed the cardinal sin, he cared, and so he had a losing hand. If he stayed indifferent he would've been playing his own game, a game he could win, instead of a rigged one.

[Moma]

I agree with dad's definition of naturals. Now it has gone beyond fcuking the lizards because you still have to know what to do to extract yourself cleanly from the situation without getting messed up financially AND/OR emotionally.

[TravelerKai]

(12-08-2014 06:09 AM)dads Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:25 AM)jariel Wrote:  

I think we need to pump the brakes on "these guys are naturals".

They make mistakes that "naturals" just don't make.

A "natural" doesn't allow a no-name chick to capitalize off his fame, then dump him after she's fucked his arch-nemesis and created something for herself.

A "natural" doesn't take 50 large to a strip club:



I agree these guys are narcissists and highly-talented at what they do, but that doesn't make them naturals with women.

I think when people say "natural" they're referring to someone who has always been able to pull. The result of a lifetime of that can lead a few different ways, but rarely does it lead to someone having the mindset of Roosh or Rollo. Which is why they still slip up.

No that's not it. What Jariel is saying is that neither of these guys are naturals. If you took all their money and fame away from them tomorrow, they would be batting below average. If you have ever met a real natural, they drop constant game without even know that game has actual techniques.

They have pussy coming out of their ears. They have that silver tongue and that mouthpiece, that almost none of us can duplicate without years of practice and learning game. They fuck a woman while holding a BBQ chicken dinner plate wearing sweatpants, when it took another cat a Ruth Chris Steakhouse dinner to get the exact same pussy. Those guys just fucking get it. I have at least 5 family members like this, and I used to just shake my head at how absurd it would be sometimes. I could not believe how gullible or dumb these bitches were back then, but they did. They would gloat all the time at how easy this shit is, because for them it is just that easy. If you are a black person, no doubt you have met a few of these kinds of guys in your lifetime. The ones that fucked the entire cheerleader team sans maybe one of them back in highschool. Had women mad at him, but he would get them drawls within a few hours, then come brag down the hallway about it singing a Tyrese song about makeup sex.

Thing is, no real natural simps. They never trick off (spend money) on women because they know that if they want the pussy, they understand that the money actually screws it up.

Chris and Drake just learned their game normally the way the majority of us did. Like Kosko said, Toronto is hard like LA or something. Jariel posted a piece about how Drake said that if he had a issue with his old girlfriend it would mess up his whole day. A natural would have grabbed a phone to hollah at a side piece. That whole concept of NEXT! and Keeping it moving comes from naturals.