[CaP7]

(06-29-2014 12:39 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 12:15 AM)CaP7 Wrote:  

As a WASP American, it is very hard for me to imagine a traditional Spaniard, or an Italian, in modern times, identifying with Mecca and Medina.

You realize this is what the Romans used to think about Christianity two thousand years ago, right? They regarded it as a death cult invented by some crazy Jews from the desert. The idea that it would become Rome's official state religion, much less dominate Europe and spread worldwide was unfathomable to them.

But it did.

Whether you attribute Christianity's success to divine mandate or simply to blind chance, the fact that it did succeed demonstrates that large-scale religious conversions can occur over relatively short time frames.

The fact is that most people will simply believe whatever they're told to believe, and whatever they're peer-pressured into believing. With Islam particularly there are compelling reasons to convert once a critical mass of Muslims infiltrate your area: they tend to kill you if you don't. That's more than enough incentive for the weak-willed and the non-believers, who would find it preferable to become a fake Muslim rather than a corpse.

Point taken.

It seems we keep going back 2 centuries to find examples that could occur in modern times. I'm not opposed to that, and I think I share your macro line of thinking regarding general, consistent characteristics of humanity.

One idea that keeps pestering me is, "Where is the next major war going to come from?" If you look back at human history, one consistent characteristic is that we have slaughtered each other. Stay with me here... There have been many different causes of war, but, there has always been major wars amongst civilized people. Therefore, war/conflict is a consistent characteristic of humanity.

The last major war that caused significant casualties of a 'civilized' country was...Vietnam with 58,000 U.S. soldiers dying? That was 40+ years ago. It doesn't seem unlikely that a Western country could see a major conflict in the next 20 to 40 years.

Perhaps there will be a Muslim conflict in Europe, in a country like France or Belgium. That sounds like a complete geopolitical mess where significant casualties of a modernized country would occur.

[Sp5]

The problem with all of this "Muslims are taking over" talk is not that it is bullshit.

There's a lot of harmless bullshit flung around. The problem is that this particular bullshit feeds political support for the most repressive measures of governments. It's a propaganda theme.

Don't like total surveillance of your electronic communications? "Mooslims!"

Don't like arbitrary detentions by government? "Mooslims!"

Don't like randomly being "special searched" at the airport? "Mooslims!"

Don't like your government spending billions on military interventions everywhere? "Mooslims!"

Don't like militarized police and out-of-control SWAT teams? "Mooslims!"

The idea that 5 - 7% of the European population, varying by country, and estimated to grow to 25% in 2100, are going to take over Europe is absurd. Look at the numbers.

Not to mention the fact that once Muslims get to Europe, they tend to lose their religion.

This website is critical of Islam, and cited a European Social Survey for this fact:

Quote:

According to data from the extensive 2010 European Social Survey (ESS), Muslims immigrants who have lived less than a year in Europe regularly go to the mosque. But after they have lived more than a year in their new homeland, the figure drops to 48.8%. More than half rarely or never go to the mosque to pray

Wikiislam: Fastest growing religion?

Through long (30+ years) personal observation of the Turkish population in Germany, I have seen this. Turkish chicks getting hammered at bierfests, etc.

Use common sense. On the one hand there is the immense attractiveness of the prosperity and freedom of the west (and far east) manifested in very popular global media and technological innovation. On the other hand, the "threat" is supposed to be Salafist Islam which rejects pretty much all technological innovation, music, television drama. No way would Arabs give up their music and soap operas.

It's not Islam taking over the West. It's the other way around. Go to an Arab country and flip through the TV channels one day.

Look at the Muslim countries themselves. I'm living in Cairo and it's pretty much a bigger shabbier version of Naples. Yes, personal mores are different, but not much different from Spain in the 1970s. There are enough bars and clubs here. Women go without headscarves and dress sexy.

Dubai is pretty much Sodom and Gomorrah rebuilt - a town full of clubs and whores.

Jordan, Morocco, Algeria, Syria, Lebanon, most of the UAE are all pretty tolerant with regard to alcohol. Even in Qatar you can drink in the hotels.

All of this - Europe and the Middle East - turning into a Salafi Caliphate? Give me a break. Some people just get pissed off if they hear someone speaking a language they don't understand, and that becomes a threat, which of course they have to exaggerate.

If the West stopped bombing and trying to control these countries, the political impetus for Salafism - a rejection of western dominance - would dry up in a week.

Again, something like accidental nuclear war or a bioengineered plague is more likely, and more worth worrying about at less cost to your personal freedoms.

[soup]

(06-28-2014 10:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 03:02 PM)soup Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:16 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 04:06 PM)soup Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 03:59 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

There's no worshipping going on. I think you are getting your semantics mixed up. Worshipping is for dieties.

Both of you are a bit off.

It's the worship of "ego", "self", basically your own narcissist tendencies.

Old religions if you believe in then, or not. Basically forced humans to worship "the larger picture" that mark folks from being self-destructive and full of themselves. Instead of he inner false ego you put faith in you in the context of something larger.

Promoting "ego", promotes decadence, which promotes decay.

Actually the left is about recognizing things beyond your ego.. like other people, and trying to help them.

It isn't though. It's all a smoke screen. The left acts as helpers but it's all self-seeing as elitism. They feel try are superior and try to cast downwards onto others. Democrats don't give to charity, they don't make donations, they don't help out. Every hipster girl does some expensive trip to Kenya to build a mud-but but it's all self-serving to her own ego. More conservative people always give more to charities a a donate time. All this talk ably helping others and "equality" when America has never been more divided an unequal...

They shouts loud so you pay attention to them, the message isn't important, only that they are acknowledged in delivering that message.

When your truly selfless then sacrificing for others isn't a big deal, when it a big deal it's all an act.

You are talking in big generalizations now. I don't know about your hipsters.. I do know people that actually volunteer and give to charity who are left.

Isn't right wing about "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps"? Anti-charity. Right wing is always complaining about "handouts". Give it a rest.

You guys are going back and forth on your frame in this thread.

Make up your mind.

[Wutang]

From my own personal observations of Muslims living in the US - I have to say the ones from Turkey, Bangladesh, and Morocco and to a certain extent Iran and Egypt - while they aren't about to identify as anything other than Muslim tend to be pretty loose in their beliefs. If anything they seem to be more into partying, hanging out at clubs and sleeping around then the typical white bread American guy or gal, especially with the 2nd generation BengaliI have met. With Egyptians the more religious ones I have met have tended to be Coptic Christian rather than Muslim which I attribute to that since Islam is the dominant religion of Egypt, a lot of people just kinda go with the flow as to not to rock the boat while anyone that chooses to remain Coptic and suffer the consequnces that comes along with it must feel a particularly strong kinship to it. From what I've heard of Turkish people in Europe they do tend to be pretty wild and unrowdy but it seems to have to less with them being Muslim and I have a feeling if they weren't Muslim (they already tend to be pretty secular compared to other Muslim countries) they would still exhibit the same sort of behavior.

[berserk]

(06-29-2014 02:13 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with all of this "Muslims are taking over" talk is not that it is bullshit.

I am curious, do you hold the same opinion about Israel and the muslims there?

[AnonymousBosch]

(06-29-2014 02:13 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with all of this "Muslims are taking over" talk is not that it is bullshit.

Meanwhile, in Australia:

Woolworths Now Displays 'Happy Ramadan' Posters

[Comte De St. Germain]

The killjoy Muslims tend to be from Pakistan, India, and Saudi Arabia. Those are the ones with an annoying first generation parents and at times obnoxious second generation. By the third and fourth they tend to lose the culture shock. The crux pf the Muslim situation that many people on this forum don't understand are that the issues are being perpetuated by an influx of first generation immigrants. The later generations of Muslims tend to shy away from their home culture as they find it an embarrassment.

If you cut the first generation immigrants I would expect them to have blended in the U.S. quite well. In Europe however, I think there are more issues at hand as the ones in Europe also tend to be in general poorer than the ones stateside.

Also the IRT phenomenon is also present in Muslims from the countries stated above in the first and second generation aka the reason they cling to the culture so much.

[bojangles]

Let's hope they all obliterate each other, naturally we'll come out on top from not doing anything, social order restored

[kosko]

(06-29-2014 05:09 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 02:13 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with all of this "Muslims are taking over" talk is not that it is bullshit.

Meanwhile, in Australia:

Woolworths Now Displays 'Happy Ramadan' Posters

Just typical corporate pandering, not much to see here. I'd shill for Arab/Muslim money too. Many of them in here in Canada and rolling in cash and stores would be silly not to try to go after it. You would barf at all the pandering here in Toronto @AB, but I think it's bad taste to get to the point of protest. As I mentioned in another thread it's sour grapes and to much to late for people to 'push back' on norms being destroyed and mocked. Generations sat around when things were good letting their culture, values. and norms rot away and added no value to it, now that maggots have started at the ears people are now suddenly getting mad. You don't go from blue bleeding Sons of the Southern Cross to pandering appeasers overnight. It takes. Decades of cultural decline and rot take place prior to the point where institutions and corporations can take power and control of it and frame it how they see fit.

If I ran a business and whatever service/good I sold was favorable to a certain group of people and they had that cash I would accommodate them also. What loyalty does Woolsworth have to OZ in 2014? Probably majority owned by some public consortium of rich Chinese and Arab investors to begin with lol. Any group with money gets attention from corporations and it exposes which interest groups are indeed more favorable and worthy to the corporate class.

[Sp5]

(06-29-2014 03:34 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 02:13 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with all of this "Muslims are taking over" talk is not that it is bullshit.

I am curious, do you hold the same opinion about Israel and the muslims there?

You can't have the same opinion about a different situation. You might as well be talking about Indians on Fiji.

First, are you talking about Israel in the 1967 borders, where Arabs are about 20% of the population, or "Greater Israel" with the West Bank, where Arabs would be close to 50% of the total population now?

Second, the Arabs were living there for many centuries prior to the arrival of Jewish settlers starting around 100 years ago (I say Arabs rather than Muslims because a few percent are Christians who are also Arabs). The Palestinian Arabs are almost identical in DNA to Palestinian Jews, and close to all Jews. The evidence is that Jews and Palestinians are descended from the same stock.

Third, Israel within its 1967 borders is sustainable as a Jewish majority state for many decades if not forever if Jews keep having babies at a decent rate. So why would France change within centuries with a 7% Muslim population?

Fourth, if you are trying to draw an analogy between Jews in Israel and Europeans now, it is exactly wrong. The better analogy for your purposes would have put the Arabs in the position of the Europeans. That is, the Arabs (first the Ottomans) allowed Jewish immigration to Palestine. Then colonial policy intervened (the Balfour Declaration) and allowed more Jewish immigration. Then an exogenous event (the Holocaust) gave the Jewish settlers the political capital they needed to establish their claim in the UN.

(06-29-2014 05:09 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 02:13 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with all of this "Muslims are taking over" talk is not that it is bullshit.

Meanwhile, in Australia:

Woolworths Now Displays 'Happy Ramadan' Posters

Yeah, that proves it! Routine holiday courtesies by a large retail company to a group of potential customers totally says Muslims are taking over.

Only question is, when they say Happy Hanukkah or Happy Diwali or Happy Chinese New Year or Happy Songkran does it mean the Jews, Hindus, Chinese or Thais are taking over, too?

If you're irritated or feel looming threats from someone publicly extending benign holiday greetings to a group other than your own, best to stick to a small town in a remote white homogenous area. Big cities and travel are not for you in this world.

[AnonymousBosch]

(06-29-2014 09:17 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

If you're irritated or feel looming threats from someone publicly extending benign holiday greetings to a group other than your own, best to stick to a small town in a remote white homogenous area. Big cities and travel are not for you in this world.

My point was hardly hysteria. Simply saying: societal norms are changing in the name of diversity, and a progression of benign financial pandering is how power is transferred. I watched the pandering to feminists in the 70's and 80's and gays in the 90' and 00's, and, look how powerful both groups ended up in society because of it.

Hell, I saw 'Congratulations on your divorce' cards for women in the mid 80's. (Inside, "I wouldn't fuck him anymore either").

My town has become incredibly diverse, and with it, conflict, which particularly impacted the night life.

[Sp5]

(06-29-2014 01:19 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 09:17 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

If you're irritated or feel looming threats from someone publicly extending benign holiday greetings to a group other than your own, best to stick to a small town in a remote white homogenous area. Big cities and travel are not for you in this world.

My point was hardly hysteria. Simply saying: societal norms are changing in the name of diversity, and a progression of benign financial pandering is how power is transferred. I watched the pandering to feminists in the 70's and 80's and gays in the 90' and 00's, and, look how powerful both groups ended up in society because of it.

Hell, I saw 'Congratulations on your divorce' cards for women in the mid 80's. (Inside, "I wouldn't fuck him anymore either").

My town has become incredibly diverse, and with it, conflict, which particularly impacted the night life.

It's not a transfer of power; it's an acknowledgement of the purchasing power these groups already have. (the article notes Woolworth had Hanukkah, Diwali, and Lunar New Year posters as well as Ramadan).

Power is exercised on many axes: political, economic, cultural. When you buy something, you are exercising economic power.

Unless you're in some absolute tyranny, nobody or no group has a monopoly on power. Woolworth trying to get some business is nothing to extrapolate much from.

Again: Fear of the Muslims taking over is a propaganda theme.

[KorbenDallas]

Sp5,

Reminds of Wormtongue.

[AnonymousBosch]

Found this interesting speech by Ramzpaul on the religious nature of progressives last night. The whole thing is interesting, but you can skip to around the 10:00 minute mark where 'We're all puritans and hippies now...' starts, if you're pressed for time.

Part of the idea is that the left throughout history eventually attacks and consumes their own.

It also ties into the need for guilt, persecution, and repentance most progressives seem to have. Matt Forney spoke about this in his essay on what the Duke Porn star was really seeking with her antics.

Maybe those of us from hardcore religious backgrounds more easily recognise what is really at play.

If you view celebrity as the aristocracy in America, the recent moral outrage and lack of respect for them on Social Media in the name of witch hunting simply strikes me as the herd getting ready to consume them. Couple it with the 'Occupy wall street' movement, and I'm wondering when the left will pass from heresy and witch hunting into full on reign of terror mode.

[Teedub]

^ Good find Bosch. Really interesting, and I agree with most of the things he says. Progressives really are just hardcore religious people without a deity.

[Feisbook Control]

(07-02-2014 03:12 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Found this interesting speech by Ramzpaul on the religious nature of progressives last night. The whole thing is interesting, but you can skip to around the 10:00 minute mark where 'We're all puritans and hippies now...' starts, if you're pressed for time.

Part of the idea is that the left throughout history eventually attacks and consumes their own.

It also ties into the need for guilt, persecution, and repentance most progressives seem to have. Matt Forney spoke about this in his essay on what the Duke Porn star was really seeking with her antics.

Maybe those of us from hardcore religious backgrounds more easily recognise what is really at play.

If you view celebrity as the aristocracy in America, the recent moral outrage and lack of respect for them on Social Media in the name of witch hunting simply strikes me as the herd getting ready to consume them. Couple it with the 'Occupy wall street' movement, and I'm wondering when the left will pass from heresy and witch hunting into full on reign of terror mode.

I just watched this video two days ago. We must be reading the same websites.

Also, if you really want to have your mind blown, here's something: Justine Tunney (the tranny weirdo) who started the Occupy Wall Street movement has joined the Dark Enlightenment and has been channelling Mencius Moldbug (one of the seminal figures of the movement).

The other day, a guy I briefly knew on another website maybe seven years ago (I couldn't even remember him, but he knew me), sent me an email out of the blue. Out of nowhere, he dropped that he'd discovered this thing called the Dark Enlightenment...

[scorpion]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/...story.html

Quote:

A Colorado woman faces federal charges of trying to provide support to the international terrorist organization Islamic State, according to court documents unsealed this week.

Shannon Maureen Conley of Arvada, Colo., openly told federal agents again and again that she believed in jihad, according to the court records, and she'd hoped to marry a Tunisian fighter she'd met over the Internet, who had joined the Islamic State, which has taken over part of Iraq.

Conley, 19, had converted to Islam and knew what she wanted to do with her life, officials said.

Stumbled across this article today. Made me laugh because it presents such an obvious game-related refutation to the idea put forward by many that "white Americans/Europeans would never convert to Islam en masse."

I'm afraid I've got some bad news: that's just your male hamster spinning its wheel furiously. It's entirely possible for it to happen, because it will begin to take root at our most vulnerable point: in the hearts of young women. The reality is that the the young Western female's unchecked wild lust for bad boys is the perfect vehicle to deliver themselves and their daughters straight into burqas. After all, who is a bigger bad boy than a young jihadi with an AK-47 who is willing to kill and die for what he believes? What's going to happen when these types (and even posers of this type) start becoming more common in the West and our progressive culture of tolerance is unable to condemn them? They'll make gangster rappers look like choir boys in comparison. The panties of young white girls will begin to drop for Muslim jihadi bad boys (most of them assuredly posers, but it doesn't really matter) and men will respond naturally by adapting their behavior to do whatever it takes to get laid.

And so young girls, in their lust for a small number of bad boys, end up encouraging a lot of good boys to at least pretend to be bad, which in this case means going along with Islam. To deny this possibility is basically to deny game. After all, look at all the hardship everyone here has gone through in an effort to improve their ability to attract women. Do you really think some goofy 17 year old guy who knows nothing about the world would hesitate to style himself a Muslim jihadi if he thought that would get him laid? Of course he would. It's the exact same mindset of the male feminist. And that's a scary fact. It also explains how the progressive left could make the seemingly illogical switch from progressivism to Islam in short order. In reality, it's not as great a leap as you'd think - it's just trading one form of fascist crusading against non-believers for another.

[Barron]

(07-02-2014 11:26 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/...story.html

Quote:

A Colorado woman faces federal charges of trying to provide support to the international terrorist organization Islamic State, according to court documents unsealed this week.

Shannon Maureen Conley of Arvada, Colo., openly told federal agents again and again that she believed in jihad, according to the court records, and she'd hoped to marry a Tunisian fighter she'd met over the Internet, who had joined the Islamic State, which has taken over part of Iraq.

Conley, 19, had converted to Islam and knew what she wanted to do with her life, officials said.

Stumbled across this article today. Made me laugh because it presents such an obvious game-related refutation to the idea put forward by many that "white Americans/Europeans would never convert to Islam en masse."

I'm afraid I've got some bad news: that's just your male hamster spinning its wheel furiously. It's entirely possible for it to happen, because it will begin to take root at our most vulnerable point: in the hearts of young women. The reality is that the the young Western female's unchecked wild lust for bad boys is the perfect vehicle to deliver themselves and their daughters straight into burqas. After all, who is a bigger bad boy than a young jihadi with an AK-47 who is willing to kill and die for what he believes? What's going to happen when these types (and even posers of this type) start becoming more common in the West and our progressive culture of tolerance is unable to condemn them? They'll make gangster rappers look like choir boys in comparison. The panties of young white girls will begin to drop for Muslim jihadi bad boys (most of them assuredly posers, but it doesn't really matter) and men will respond naturally by adapting their behavior to do whatever it takes to get laid.

And so young girls, in their lust for a small number of bad boys, end up encouraging a lot of good boys to at least pretend to be bad, which in this case means going along with Islam. To deny this possibility is basically to deny game. After all, look at all the hardship everyone here has gone through in an effort to improve their ability to attract women. Do you really think some goofy 17 year old guy who knows nothing about the world would hesitate to style himself a Muslim jihadi if he thought that would get him laid? Of course he would. It's the exact same mindset of the male feminist. And that's a scary fact. It also explains how the progressive left could make the seemingly illogical switch from progressivism to Islam in short order. In reality, it's not as great a leap as you'd think - it's just trading one form of fascist crusading against non-believers for another.

You just made me think of an interesting scenario being played out in the US:
Young American sluts get with Muslim men and convert to Islam. After a few months to a year they get bored as they do with all relationships and stray. Only according to Islam this must be punished with death (stoning). How long will it be until we have our first official stoning of a western woman at the hands of Muslim's on American soil?

[poutsara]

(06-27-2014 03:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

No my friends, you guys are ignorant of history. Christianity was the only thing that preserved Western civilization through the dark ages.

We wouldn't even know about the Greeks had not the Christians preserved that ancient history. During the dark ages most people could not even read. It was only Christian monks who kept teaching Latin and copying down old books, as well as translating them, for the benefit of future generations.

There would be no Aristotle without Christianity. Therefore there would be no science without Christianity.

Good points. The Christian Church of the middle ages (which is now known as Roman Catholic in the West and Greek Orthodox in the East) preserved the classic civilizations - Rome, Greece. Pagan, but ultimately the cultural heritage of the West. Not sure if this was intentional on the part of Medieval monks, but it is what happened.

This preservation itself allowed the West to rediscover and embrace its past during the Renaissance. Roman ideas about law and organization. Greek ideas about democracy and liberalism (in the other sense, freedom), art and math.

Also, we forget, but Rome lasted 2000 years - from the early Republic about 500 BC until the last Emperor Constantine Paleologos fought to defend Constantinople, and lost, in 1453.

[poutsara]

(06-28-2014 11:54 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The Ottoman Empire specifically used Christian boys and converted them into Muslims as an elite fighting force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary

In many parts of Turkey, and the Middle East today, you will find random white people or even white families. Granted there has been a lot of mixing and that's what produces that swarthy look on many Arab men, but you can still find some white ones.

For sure. The Levant was Christian before it was Muslim, and still is in many places. There are many White Muslims and many Arab Christians.

The history of the Janissaries is fascinating...

[Collide]

Add another one to the list

http://time.com/2969951/dear-white-gays-...e-culture/

Quote:

Dear White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture

You are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. There is a clear line between appreciation and appropriation

I need some of you to cut it the hell out. Maybe, for some of you, it’s a presumed mutual appreciation for Beyoncé and weaves that has you thinking that I’m going to be amused by you approaching me in your best “Shanequa from around the way” voice. I don’t know. What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

Let me explain.

Black people can’t have anything. Any of these things include, but aren’t limited to: a general sense of physical safety, comfort with law enforcement, adequate funding and appreciation for black spaces like schools and neighborhoods, appropriate venues for our voices to be heard about criticism of issues without our race going on trial because of it, and solid voting rights (cc: Chris McDaniel).

And then, when you thought this pillaging couldn’t get any worse, extracurricular black activities get snatched up, too: our music, our dances, our slang, our clothing, our hairstyles. All of these things are rounded up, whitewashed and repackaged for your consumption. But here’s the shade — the non-black people who get to enjoy all of the fun things about blackness will never have to experience the ugliness of the black experience, systemic racism and the dangers of simply living while black. Though I suppose there’s some thrill in this “rolling with the homies” philosophy some adopt, white people are not racially oppressed in the United States of America.

White people are not racially oppressed in the United States of America.

White people are not racially oppressed in the United States of America.

Nothing about whiteness will get a white person in trouble the way blackness can get a black person shot down in his tracks. These are just facts. It’s not entirely the fault of white people. It’s not as if you can help being born white in America, any more than I can help being born black in America.

The truth is that America is a country that operates on systems of racism in which we all participate, whether consciously or unconsciously, to our benefit or to our detriment, and that system allows white people to succeed. This system also creates barriers so that minorities, such as black people, have a much harder time being able to do things like vote and get houses and not have to deal with racists and stuff. You know. Casual.

But while you’re gasping at the heat and the steam of the strong truth tea I just spilled,what’s even worse about all of this, if you thought things could get even crappier, is the fact that all of this is exponentially worse for black women. A culture of racism is bad enough, but pairing it with patriarchal structures that intend to undermine women’s advancement is like double-fisting bleach and acid rain.

At the end of the day, if you are a white male, gay or not, you retain so much privilege. What is extremely unfairly denied you because of your sexuality could float back to you, if no one knew that you preferred the romantic and sexual company of men over women. (You know what I’m talking about. Those “anonymous” torsos on Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam, show very familiar heterosexual faces to the public.) The difference is that the black women with whom you think you align so well, whose language you use and stereotypical mannerisms you adopt, cannot hide their blackness and womanhood to protect themselves the way that you can hide your homosexuality. We have no place to hide, or means to do it even if we desired them.

In all of the ways that your gender and race give you so much, in those exact same ways, our gender and race work against our prosperity. To claim that you’re a minority woman just for the sake of laughs, and to say that the things allowed her or the things enjoyed by her are done better by you isn’t cute or funny. First of all, it’s aggravating as hell. Second, it’s damaging and perpetuating of yet another set of aggressions against us.

All of this being said, you should not have to stop liking the things you like. This is not an attempt to try to suck the fun out of your life. Appreciating a culture and appropriating one are very, very different things, with a much thicker line than some people think, if you use all of the three seconds it takes to be considerate before you open your mouth. If you love some of the same things that some black women love, by all means, you and your black girlfriends go ahead and rock the hell out. Regardless of what our privileges and lack of privileges are, regardless of the laws and rhetoric that have attempted to divide us, we are equal, even though we aren’t the same, and that is okay. Claiming our identity for what’s sweet without ever having to taste its sour is not. Breathing fire behind ugly stereotypes that reduce black females to loud caricatures for you to emulate isn’t, either.

So, you aren’t a strong black woman, or a ghetto girl, or any of that other foolery that some of you with trash Vine accounts try to be. It’s okay. You don’t have to be. No one asked you to be. You weren’t ever meant to be. What you can be, however, is part of the solution.

Check your privilege. Try to strengthen the people around you.

[Matt Forney]

(07-09-2014 10:07 PM)Collide Wrote:  

Add another one to the list

http://time.com/2969951/dear-white-gays-...e-culture/

Quote:

Dear White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture

I suppose this means we won't be seeing transracial acceptance any time soon.

[AnonymousBosch]

^ I'd say she doesn't see the hypocrisy of Beyonce's cultural appropriation in the accompanying picture, but of course she does. Hypocrites and narcissists just don't hold themselves to the same standards they expect of everyone else.

[nek]

(06-29-2014 06:46 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Let's hope they all obliterate each other, naturally we'll come out on top from not doing anything, social order restored

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”

― Sun Tzu

[Truth Teller]

Let them tear each other apart. It's time for the "everything goes" mentality to die along with the West.

Welfare states are not sustainable models.