[L M McCoy]

(03-28-2014 04:45 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:22 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:17 PM)Sharky Jackson Wrote:  

You choose to believe that you're not African because being African must be negative in some way.

This is a terrible point.

Europeans are not Africans. Africans are not Asians. Native Americans are not Russians.

(03-28-2014 04:18 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

In the eyes of many, we're still not seen as Americans.

The biggest problem is calling black people African American. No, they're just Americans.

My reasoning for your point is that since blacks are Africans in blood, the contrast to being from another continent can definitely be a reason for division.

The African-American designation has really only been around since the 80's, and gained popularity after Jesse Jackson began using it publicly. Designations such as colored and negro had painful connotations, and Afro-American didn't seem appropriate, thus African-American became the norm. The problem of Blacks not being recognized as citizens didn't grow out of this designation - it has existed as long as we've been here. Blacks fought in every war, and had more than earned their place as full citizens. Other ethnic groups have these hyphenated designations that recognize their cultural heritage, yet are acknowledged as citizens. Again, certain groups felt the need to identify with cultural heritage because they have always been excluded from full participation in their home nation.

Blacks did fight in every war, but weren't they forced? Again, you say blacks aren't recognized but at least you have your race mentioned on the American census or any race poll. America would be in uproar if black/African American wasn't on a race poll or the American census.

[Duke Castile]

Mikado don't leave!

We need more people to throw the race card when objective facts are being discussed to help prove our points!

[Duke Castile]

(03-28-2014 03:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

The funny thing about this "you guys couldn't survive without white people" argument is that the races survived just fine on their own for millions of years before whites discovered these places. How did Africans manage to survive from the dawn of time up until 1500 before they ever saw a white person? You guys act like without whites the human race would starve to death and die off. Life would continue on. We might not have the internet or Boeing planes but humanity would not cease to exist. It would be just another change to adjust to as we've been doing for millions of years in our evolution.

And humanity did evolve in central Africa. DNA studies prove that. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of shit.

You are the worst offender of all when it comes to being unable to take things at face value.

No one said the world couldn't survive without white people.

[Timoteo]

(03-28-2014 04:57 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:45 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:22 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:17 PM)Sharky Jackson Wrote:  

You choose to believe that you're not African because being African must be negative in some way.

This is a terrible point.

Europeans are not Africans. Africans are not Asians. Native Americans are not Russians.

(03-28-2014 04:18 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

In the eyes of many, we're still not seen as Americans.

The biggest problem is calling black people African American. No, they're just Americans.

My reasoning for your point is that since blacks are Africans in blood, the contrast to being from another continent can definitely be a reason for division.

The African-American designation has really only been around since the 80's, and gained popularity after Jesse Jackson began using it publicly. Designations such as colored and negro had painful connotations, and Afro-American didn't seem appropriate, thus African-American became the norm. The problem of Blacks not being recognized as citizens didn't grow out of this designation - it has existed as long as we've been here. Blacks fought in every war, and had more than earned their place as full citizens. Other ethnic groups have these hyphenated designations that recognize their cultural heritage, yet are acknowledged as citizens. Again, certain groups felt the need to identify with cultural heritage because they have always been excluded from full participation in their home nation.

Blacks did fight in every war, but weren't they forced? Again, you say blacks aren't recognized but at least you have your race mentioned on the American census or any race poll. America would be in uproar if black/African American wasn't on a race poll or the American census.

Blacks were drafted or volunteered just like other Americans (I don't know what you mean by "forced"). They did so because they felt that would make them equal Americans, only to return to a country that continued to discriminate against them. Being recognized on forms isn't the issue. Caucasian/White is on the form also. Yes, the presence of Blacks was acknowledged, but they were not considered full citizens of this country.

[Sharky Jackson]

(03-28-2014 04:57 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Mikado don't leave!

We need more people to throw the race card when objective facts are being discussed to help prove our points!

You threw it first...

(03-28-2014 03:05 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Here's a thought experiment, just imagine that white people were *poof* gone. Never existed.

Good luck living in that world for very long.

...and now you want to play the victim card.

As for me, I got caught in a race thread.

Rookie mistake.

Will not happen again.

We're all on the same team fellas. The enemy is THAT way ---->



Out...

[L M McCoy]

(03-28-2014 05:08 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:57 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:45 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:22 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:17 PM)Sharky Jackson Wrote:  

You choose to believe that you're not African because being African must be negative in some way.

This is a terrible point.

Europeans are not Africans. Africans are not Asians. Native Americans are not Russians.

(03-28-2014 04:18 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

In the eyes of many, we're still not seen as Americans.

The biggest problem is calling black people African American. No, they're just Americans.

My reasoning for your point is that since blacks are Africans in blood, the contrast to being from another continent can definitely be a reason for division.

The African-American designation has really only been around since the 80's, and gained popularity after Jesse Jackson began using it publicly. Designations such as colored and negro had painful connotations, and Afro-American didn't seem appropriate, thus African-American became the norm. The problem of Blacks not being recognized as citizens didn't grow out of this designation - it has existed as long as we've been here. Blacks fought in every war, and had more than earned their place as full citizens. Other ethnic groups have these hyphenated designations that recognize their cultural heritage, yet are acknowledged as citizens. Again, certain groups felt the need to identify with cultural heritage because they have always been excluded from full participation in their home nation.

Blacks did fight in every war, but weren't they forced? Again, you say blacks aren't recognized but at least you have your race mentioned on the American census or any race poll. America would be in uproar if black/African American wasn't on a race poll or the American census.

Blacks were drafted or volunteered just like other Americans (I don't know what you mean by "forced"). They did so because they felt that would make them equal Americans, only to return to a country that continued to discriminate against them. Being recognized on forms isn't the issue. Caucasian/White is on the form also. Yes, the presence of Blacks was acknowledged, but they were not considered full citizens of this country.

I'm not white...Being drafted is being "forced," also during the civil war wasn't it whites who were fighting for blacks to be free? Can you name any other race that was freed from slavery from the very same people who enslaved them through war? Many whites gave up their lives for blacks to have the freedom they have today in America.

[L M McCoy]

If that fat chick up there was skinny, I'd bang

[Timoteo]

(03-28-2014 05:11 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 05:08 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:57 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:45 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 04:22 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

This is a terrible point.

Europeans are not Africans. Africans are not Asians. Native Americans are not Russians.


The biggest problem is calling black people African American. No, they're just Americans.

My reasoning for your point is that since blacks are Africans in blood, the contrast to being from another continent can definitely be a reason for division.

The African-American designation has really only been around since the 80's, and gained popularity after Jesse Jackson began using it publicly. Designations such as colored and negro had painful connotations, and Afro-American didn't seem appropriate, thus African-American became the norm. The problem of Blacks not being recognized as citizens didn't grow out of this designation - it has existed as long as we've been here. Blacks fought in every war, and had more than earned their place as full citizens. Other ethnic groups have these hyphenated designations that recognize their cultural heritage, yet are acknowledged as citizens. Again, certain groups felt the need to identify with cultural heritage because they have always been excluded from full participation in their home nation.

Blacks did fight in every war, but weren't they forced? Again, you say blacks aren't recognized but at least you have your race mentioned on the American census or any race poll. America would be in uproar if black/African American wasn't on a race poll or the American census.

Blacks were drafted or volunteered just like other Americans (I don't know what you mean by "forced"). They did so because they felt that would make them equal Americans, only to return to a country that continued to discriminate against them. Being recognized on forms isn't the issue. Caucasian/White is on the form also. Yes, the presence of Blacks was acknowledged, but they were not considered full citizens of this country.

I'm not white...Being drafted is being "forced," also during the civil war wasn't it whites who were fighting for blacks to be free? Can you name any other race that was freed from slavery from the very same people who enslaved them through war? Many whites gave up their lives for blacks to have the freedom they have today in America.

Blacks fought in the Civil War for their OWN freedom also.

[speakeasy]

I'm sick of people talking about Africa when they don't know a damn thing about the continent's history. I really can't tolerate this kind of fucking arrogant ignorance.

For example calling them stone age. Do you guys even know what the fuck that word means? West Africans had agriculture and iron and brass making long before Europeans arrived. If you have discovered metallurgy, you by definition have left the stone age. Got it?

As for Africans living in the bush and running around starving, naked and swinging from vines like a bunch of monkeys, that's a load of shit as well. Read the accounts of early European explorers and you'll find detailed accounts of large walled cities. Courts. laws, trade, agriculture, gold, fine art and sculpture. Hell just Google "Benin Empire". This was not a stone age culture.

I'm not going to waste my breath here since it will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears anyway. All I ask is quit acting Iike you know anything about the history
of places you clearly don't know shit about.

[Duke Castile]

(03-28-2014 05:14 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I'm sick of people talking about Africa when they don't know a damn thing about the continent's history. I really can't tolerate this kind of fucking arrogant ignorance.

For example calling them stone age. Do you guys even know what the fuck that word means? West Africans had agriculture and iron and brass making long before Europeans arrived. If you have discovered metallurgy, you by definition have left the stone age. Got it?

As for Africans living in the bush and running around starving, naked and swinging from vines like a bunch of monkeys, that's a load of shit as well. Read the accounts of nearly European explorers and you'll find detailed accounts of large walled cities. Courts. laws, trade, agriculture, gold, fine art and sculpture. Hell just Google "Benin Empire". This was not a stone age culture.

I'm not going to waste my breath here since it will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears anyway. All I ask is quit acting Iike you know anything about the history
of places you don't know shit about.

Yeah?

How's all that working out?

Sharky,

I didn't throw any race card. Nor did I throw a victim card.

[darklightdispatch]

(03-28-2014 04:56 PM)mikado Wrote:  

The amount of racism here, disguised behind "love for my origins", "need to express my roots" etc bullshit , is astonishing.
This is what is is: racism. Don't fool yourself. I don't know where do your insecurities come from. You try so hard to rationalize the fact that black people are the vampires.
Like, what is the point in bringing in this thread creationism, or origins of humanity?

What is the Manosphere? helping your comrades to get better, and get access to your common goals, on an equal footing, independantly from race?
Bullshit.

I am done with this thread.

The manosphere is also about talking honestly and being free from political correctness. I would personally suggest that this quality is more essential, and certainly more unique to the 'sphere, than support and camaraderie (not that those things aren't very important, too.) For many men in Western countries, there is literally nowhere else -- in real life or online -- where this sort of uncensored communication takes place.

You mention the many bad things that have been said about black people in this thread. Are you saying these things are false or just that they are "racist." Just because something is racist doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't true. Reality doesn't care about political correctness.

In addition, acknowledging unpleasant realities, such as differences between races, doesn't automatically mean that someone has "insecurities." Do we also live in our mom's basement and have small dicks? Fuck that feminine shaming language shit.

[Don Juan Tenorio]

(03-28-2014 03:35 PM)Sharky Jackson Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 03:29 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Theres zero holes in my theory.

Look at the inverse and just assume only black people exist.

Again, have a nice life.

No world wars...

No nuclear weapons...

No global warming...

No genocide...

(03-28-2014 03:29 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Somalia is probably the best representative of what that theoretical world would look like. Except their weaponry would be much more primitive.

Without modern weapons Somalia as it exists today would not exist, so that's a non-starter.

It really give me the creeps to hear educated people blaming the evil white man for all the disgraces of this world; it reminds me of the falacy if women ruled the world there would be no wars, no corruption, no inequality and bullshit like that. And this connects with the paralelism between feminism and racism that I've mentioned in other threads and for which white men are the scapegoat for all the misfortunes of other echnic groups in the same way men are for all the problems faced by woman, from biological, to professional. Or like those guys who just can't get laid and instead of learning game, work out, practice, travel, etc embrace excuses or blame society for their very own incapacities or mistakes.

War, domination, xenophobe, etc are in the DNA of all known human groups and they all have practiced it in a more or less sophisticated way depending on their advancement barbarias ever tread on African soil it was all peace and armony? No wars? No slavery? No ethnic cleansings of some tribes against others? You are too smart to believe your own delusions. All this comes from the social-engineering we are going through in all stages of education and all the criminalization of European History while when you travel get to know that elsewhere people celebrate their history and feel proud of their Ottoman Empire, Mongol Empire, Islamic Caliphate, Thai Empire, just to mention a few, no matter how crimes against humanity were commited under their rule. Like that bullshit of your African-american history month... if you want to focuse in USA history then do it right and study it as a whole in which any facts and individuals worth being studied should be included if not make a Hispanic history quarter to study Bernardo de Gálvez, Fray Junípero Serra, El Camino Real, San Agustín, Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, etc did more for the USA than George Washington Carver or Sara Parks

Read what an African and one of the greatest islamic scholars of all time, Ibn Khaldun, wrote about black people in the XIVth century when caucasians were still confined in their natural territories. Was this also European's fault?

Quote:

On black people[edit]
The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and proximity to the animal stage. Other persons who accept the status of slave do so as a means of attaining high rank, or power, or wealth, as is the case with the Mameluke Turks in the East and with those Franks and Galicians who enter the service of the state [in Spain].
Ibn Khaldun as quoted in Bernard Lewis, Race and Color in Islam, Harper and Row, 1970, quote on page 38. The brackets are displayed by Lewis.
"Beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."
Muqaddimah
"Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated."
Muqaddimah

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun...ack_people

Now he can be censored, banned from official curricula or deprived from his status of pioneer of historiography, sociology and economics because some don't like what he says as they tried to do with James Watson.

If there would be an epidemy that whiped white all and every white person in this world Somalia would still be Somalia, Nigeria would still be Nigeria and Detroit would still be Detroit. Just you'd have no white women to bang and would have to reluctantly accept to bang black females... Haiti was the second country to gain independence in America after the USA; as you know, after they got rid of the French yoke they become the most prosperous nation in oh wait, you have made your bed, now lie in it. On the other hand, do you think Norway, France or Canada would turn into mayhem? I hesitate it. Take an example of Orania in South Africa, an oasis of peace and armony where everything works in the heart of convulse South Africa.

The only thing you are right is that if Africans had been left in the cultural and technological state they were in when first Europeans contacted them world would be a much better place to live in.they were colonized the damage they could do to themselves would have been minimum.

The overwhelming majority of educated people would never disregard another individual on the grounds of race, faith, nationality and all that. There are three kinds of people: those who make our life better, those who don't make it better nor worse and those who are a pain in the ass. Many white people and many of your brothers are sisters fall into the last group because of violence, antisocial behaviour, entitlement etc. Difference is that you won't see many whites excusing them or giving them any moral support (not here at least); however there is a sense of tribe among others, specially people of african heritage, to always side with other black people no matter how unfair it may be. Siding with people of your own kind under any circumstances can't be considered racism?

Then there is a minority (you just have to take a look at the results of any political party who advocate for weird "racist" ideas) who are concerned with the idea of the survival of their own ethnic group and the right to rule their lifes on their own without foreign interferences. They believe they have the right to have their own space in this world where their ethnic group could exist peacefully without being disturbed by others, and who feel threaten by the fact that there is a constant flow of foreigners who flock into their countries and slowly but steadily take over their vital space to a point they'll either be whiped own from their own ancestral lands or will become a minority there. Which from my point of view isn't necessarily bad and is a feeling in the soul of Touré, Sankara, Nkurumah or Amílcar Cabral or anybody involved in African anticolonialist movement or in the national liberation movements elsewhere in the world. This is the same people who preffer to date inside their own community and who doesn't feel comfortable when foreigners try to interfer with them; just like happens with muslims or chinese communities in Europe just to mention a couple.

I'm really curious (from a sociological point of view) about what would happen if a Mugabe came to power in a major western European country and enforced the very same policies Mugabe has against the non-ethnic African inhabitants.

[Avon Barksdale]

I think from now I know to stay of away from the race threads because since a lot of our ideas about race clash . So like Sharky said feminists are our enemies not each other.

[speakeasy]

This thread has officially jumped the shark. The forum clearly is infiltrated with the spillover from the Heartiste sector of the manosphere. For some reason game communities are becoming the home base of racists, white nationalists, and all around angry white males. It wasn't like that even 5 years ago. Look at Aliblahba's meltdown yesterday as an example. I've always stuck to Roosh's forum because of the diversity here and that racist shit is usually kept at bay. But if more Heartiste types are going to start setting up shop here and talking about non whites like we are a parasitic infection then I may have to bounce like Hencredible did.

[Don Juan Tenorio]

Just found out it has not been the only case... there is an epidemic of porn actresses doing a second work as far right racist extremist who end up banging black or mixed race guys, not sure if trolling or trying to gain a reputation in the industry :roto2:

[Mod: NSFW images removed]

And there is an old french porn actress, Eloa Lombart, running up for Paris in the ranks of Fron National looooooooooool

PS: General media taking news from RVF as usual without quoting sources in 3, 2, 1.

[samsamsam]

And now a message from our sponsors. Borrowed from the funny pics thread.

Sometimes I wish there was a way to vote and lock threads.

I have never seen any of these types of threads ever result in someone saying, "you know what, I learned something and I am changing my opinion."

Edit: And I am not picking any sides here, this seems to be one of those "I am going to tell you why you are wrong" threads. After the initial post to share an interesting, funny, odd piece of news, it was destined to go downhill. I didn't read the all the posts, but I just wonder so neither side has ever met someone of a different race that they ended up being friends with? I know I am making an assumption, but these threads are so passionate it seems like life and death rides on the outcome of the debate. A debate that cannot have a winner since there is no one making a final unbias decision. Interesting.

[NY Digital]

Big penises /= technological innovation.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(03-28-2014 05:51 PM)Don Juan Tenorio Wrote:  

Like that bullshit of your African-american history month... if you want to focuse in USA history then do it right and study it as a whole in which any facts and individuals worth being studied should be included if not make a Hispanic history quarter to study Bernardo de Gálvez, Fray Junípero Serra, El Camino Real, San Agustín, Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, etc did more for the USA than George Washington Carver or Sara Parks

the underlined stuff, about that. technically, in the US, we have a Hispanic history month (september) but it's not made a big issue because Hispano-hablantes don't give a fuck and never bring up race card unless they are one of those stupid aztlan/brown pride fuckers who think they are 100% amerindian. but for in the US, to truly embrace anything of strong relevancy from Hispanos, it won't happen. From what I have seen, Anglos have a strong secret envy of Hispano-hablantes because the immigrants here in the US refuse to submit to Angloification like the East Asians and Blacks have and we can survive speaking the language of Cervantes in the US without having to speak 100% english. You notice it whenever you hear an Anglo say "This is America, we speak English."

and what point is it to get recognized by Anglos and have our own stupid part of the month? there's no point to it. I celebrate my culture and ethnic heritage everyday when I speak the language of Cervantes daily, I eat the foods from my ethnic homeland (West-Central Mexico), and when I honor the traditions of my heritage that Anglos wish they had (I seriously have had Anglos tell me they wish to have some of the traditions we Hispano-Hablantes have). I don't need a fucking month to have all this. trying to constantly get honored by everybody for your shit shows you don't have much to offer anyway other than annoying everybody else. if you like my ethnic heritage, great. if not, just don't fucking bother me and I won't bother you.

[scorpion]

Is it just me or does Sharky Jackson give off the vibe of a previously banned member? I'm guessing Shotgun Styles based on his posts.

Coming off as way too aggressive and familiar for a new face.

[Yatagan]

(03-28-2014 12:49 PM)Lika Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 12:31 PM)mikado Wrote:  

These kind of people are the first to say they are open-minded, not agressive, etc etc, then typically get pissed when they see a non white dude make out with some white HB in front of their eyes

You're directing this towards white men but as a white man having travelled a lot around the world and having banged chicks from most races and cultures, I have to say that this is a universal thing:

Anybody from any race does not like to see a man from another race with a BEAUTIFUL girl from his own race...

The only difference is how people react to it, more or less openly. And in my experience, Western European whites are the ones that react with the least possessiveness and jealousy about it.

The worse are Indians/Pakistanese/Arabs/Turks and then Ethiopians/Somalis/Sudanese, black American men, etc. etc.

Yep, it's just plain tribalism and it's been with us since the dawn of man.

[rhodey]

(03-28-2014 03:43 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I'm not undermining anything, i'm pointing out what is obvious.

I never said black people havent contributed.

I just think its funny when minorities have the nerve to bitch about whitey.

You have some problem taking things at face value.

But white People are a global minority ....

[Samseau]

(03-28-2014 06:43 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

This thread has officially jumped the shark. The forum clearly is infiltrated with the spillover from the Heartiste sector of the manosphere. For some reason game communities are becoming the home base of racists, white nationalists, and all around angry white males. It wasn't like that even 5 years ago. Look at Aliblahba's meltdown yesterday as an example. I've always stuck to Roosh's forum because of the diversity here and that racist shit is usually kept at bay. But if more Heartiste types are going to start setting up shop here and talking about non whites like we are a parasitic infection then I may have to bounce like Hencredible did.

Bro this place isn't even close to a real white racist forum. White racists call the RVF a "place where black guys can learn how to get white girls." White racists won't even post here. If you want a link to a real forum of racists just ask and I'll pm but I'm not gonna link here, I don't want any traffic given to them.

White racist forums are terrible and this place isn't even close to it. If you think the mild amount of bigotry in this thread is bad then you clearly underestimate what real racists are like.

[rhodey]

(03-28-2014 04:02 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  

European caucasians did not evolve from Negroes. Period.

[Parlay44]

This thread was about a slutty German girl. How did it turn into this?

[TigerMandingo]

I was gonna drop a comment in support of the whole "whitey has it rough" theory, but then I checked over into Excelsior's Black hotness thread and all my anger withered away. I highly suggest for other guys on this thread to do the same