[rudebwoy]

^ maybe they didn't let you in because of how you looked.

If your Spanish, why would you be travelling with a third world passport in Europe?

[TigerMandingo]

(03-11-2014 05:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

^^ Has anyone got bangs out of VK in the past year? I get the impression that girls are being spammed a lot by foreign guys.

Absolutely. By thirsty Turkish guys, in particular. An ex Russian gf I had would receive up to 30 messages/day from Arab and Turkish dudes.

[hipster]

(03-13-2014 02:13 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^ maybe they didn't let you in because of how you looked.

If your Spanish, why would you be travelling with a third world passport in Europe?

Cause i live in the third world, i need that passport to return home.

[Booyah]

(03-12-2014 11:02 AM)berserk Wrote:  

And those international corporations who push down wages don't thrive because of this open border, multicultural mindset?

Besides, unskilled immigrants are simply not good for any country. They are usually poorly educated, have bad manners and lack the capacity to assimilate. In Europe at least, there is no doubt that most immigration is the lowest rung from their own countries.

In the end, countries and people should make their own decisions on who they want in their countries and there is much evidence that allowing certain ethnicities into your country in mass numbers is a very bad idea.

say what ?

you don't need to be Milton Friedman of economy to know that working immigrants are one of the best thing which may happen to the economy and usually they're more skilled than locals which turns on complainings about stealing a job and other shits.

[Icarus]

(03-14-2014 06:24 PM)Booyah Wrote:  

you don't need to be Milton Friedman of economy to know that working immigrants are one of the best thing which may happen to the economy

It's more complicated than that...

[berserk]

(03-14-2014 06:24 PM)Booyah Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:02 AM)berserk Wrote:  

And those international corporations who push down wages don't thrive because of this open border, multicultural mindset?

Besides, unskilled immigrants are simply not good for any country. They are usually poorly educated, have bad manners and lack the capacity to assimilate. In Europe at least, there is no doubt that most immigration is the lowest rung from their own countries.

In the end, countries and people should make their own decisions on who they want in their countries and there is much evidence that allowing certain ethnicities into your country in mass numbers is a very bad idea.

say what ?

you don't need to be Milton Friedman of economy to know that working immigrants are one of the best thing which may happen to the economy and usually they're more skilled than locals which turns on complainings about stealing a job and other shits.

1) They don't work anywhere near as much as the local people. I am talking about the arab, somali, turk, pakistani immigrants. In the UK alone there are 600.000 unemployed immigrants estimated to cost at least 1.5 BILLION pounds in NHS healthcare costs alone. It is much worse in countries with welfare states, where they get benefits. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ation.html

2) Immigration of low class, illiterate muslims creates serious cultural conflict. No european country is better off with more islam.

3) Immigrants from those countries are MUCH more criminal and particularly in violent crimes. Their ghettos have become "no go" zones.

Your opinion is uneducated and frankly plain wrong.

[bojangles]

Berserk is right, unfortunately the UK does not receive 'working' immigrants anymore as was the case in the 50's-early 80's when the immigrants that came, came to work their asses off. In legal terms people coming from the EU aren't immigrants and even if they were classed as such I'd say the Poles that I've known over the past 15 years here have been some of the hardest working fuckers I've known. However the 90's immigration after the Somalian war really just opened up our island to a bunch of welfare scroungers from abroad. The asylum seeking bullshit drains our state. It's a fucking shame but British identity is being ripped apart, personally I'd kick all of these people out if I was the leader.

[Teedub]

The problem is an attack on Britain from the left AND the right. The corporate right wants to supress wages, and the marxist left wants a world without borders etc.

It's interesting too, that the main parties feel OK to demonize Eastern European immigrants who actually work...because they're white they're fair game.

The politicians won't go near the facts discussed by berserk and bojangles because every issue in regards to immigration is framed through the 'racist' lens.

I don't think there is any benefit to any host country of allowing Somalians and Roma Gypsies in. I think the Scandinavian countries would add North African/Middle East Muslims to that list too, although the Tunisians and Moroccans I've met have always been way less religious than the Pakistanis I know. I'm no fan of Islam. The decent Muslims I know are cool in spite of the religion.

- Sorry to derail the thread. As an aside to get back on topic, the only non-whites I've seen in Poland are East Asian, Chinese I think. Unless you count the darker, Arab-looking Spaniards I've seen also.

But yeah, in my neighbourhood Krzyki there are literally no non-white people as far as I can tell. Pretty remarkable when you think of districts of cities of a similar size in England, or anywhere in Western Europe for that matter. The rough whites are some fucking goblin-like creatures though, you wouldn't want a fight with them in case they bit you or something!



LOL

[Booyah]

(03-15-2014 05:58 AM)berserk Wrote:  

1) They don't work anywhere near as much as the local people. I am talking about the arab, somali, turk, pakistani immigrants. In the UK alone there are 600.000 unemployed immigrants estimated to cost at least 1.5 BILLION pounds in NHS healthcare costs alone. It is much worse in countries with welfare states, where they get benefits. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ation.html

2) Immigration of low class, illiterate muslims creates serious cultural conflict. No european country is better off with more islam.

3) Immigrants from those countries are MUCH more criminal and particularly in violent crimes. Their ghettos have become "no go" zones.

Your opinion is uneducated and frankly plain wrong.

You wrote about immigrants in general, you didn't specify it in your first post, that's why i wrote what i wrote.

I wasn't talking about muslims, just saying that working immigrants are something really good for economy.

You should've speficied your opinion in 1st post instead of calling my opinion uneducated.

[samsamsam]

I hope this thread stays on an even keel.

I appreciate the thread for the knowledge dropped.

Not all immigration is bad.

Quote:

Immigrants Are Crucial to Innovation, Study Says

Arguing against immigration policies that force foreign-born innovators to leave the United States, a new study to be released on Tuesday shows that immigrants played a role in more than three out of four patents at the nation’s top research universities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/busine....html?_r=0

Sometimes, I think, when we are writing or talking there are bits of info (qualifications/context) that had we communicated them, would have delivered our message without ambiguity. It happens to us all.

Once again, I think this has been a good thread that has been able to maintain civility compared to some of the other threads that have gone sideways.

Thanks to all who have contributed.

[samsamsam]

(03-15-2014 08:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

But yeah, in my neighbourhood Krzyki there are literally no non-white people as far as I can tell. Pretty remarkable when you think of districts of cities of a similar size in England, or anywhere in Western Europe for that matter. The rough whites are some fucking goblin-like creatures though, you wouldn't want a fight with them in case they bit you or something!

Teedub, you're in Wroclaw now right? So you didn't grab an apt near the square? Just curious, not trying to derail.

[Teedub]

I'm not made of money mate! If you're here long term that's affordable definitely but im paying 'tourist rates' on my current apartment. I'm not one of those minimalist guys, I like a certain standard of accommodation.

£600 a month, which is over a thousand dollars.

If I decide to move here long term than that would easily be enough for a nice apartment slap bang in the centre.

That said, im in a cool part of town and like it a lot. If I lived here for £600 I could have an amazing apartment long term at local rates.

[samsamsam]

(03-15-2014 12:28 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm not made of money mate! If you're here long term that's affordable definitely but im paying 'tourist rates' on my current apartment. I'm not one of those minimalist guys, I like a certain standard of accommodation.

£600 a month, which is over a thousand dollars.

If I decide to move here long term than that would easily be enough for a nice apartment slap bang in the centre.

That said, im in a cool part of town and like it a lot. If I lived here for £600 I could have an amazing apartment long term at local rates.

Sorry! LOL.

I wasn't trying to make any assumptions about finances, just how most people end up by the square. I was there only for a few days so I stayed at a hotel near the square.

Maybe you can PM some pics of your area and apt? Curious what £600 gets. Or drop them in the Poland thread.

[hipster]

(03-13-2014 02:13 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^ maybe they didn't let you in because of how you looked.

It was not about look or anything else. The person made all that evaulation BS. I was "in" already, except that like everyone else you have to show your document as the final step to enter, and in this very step the poor security person changed his mind.

[Greek kamaki]

The true problem of Poland is that if they decide to import Germans the latter will soon become bosses and control Poland altogether.If they import third world the face of Poland will disappear forever.A solution would be to import neighbouring slavic folks like Ukrainians,Belarussians with who they have more in common and what they actually do.The problem in this case is they do not get actually too multi cultured but who cares?If pussy is in Ordnung then everything else is erledigt(I would advise to Poles some limited import of Balkan folks to gain a backbone though).

[brnoczech]

(03-16-2014 03:35 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I would advise to Poles some limited import of Balkan folks to gain a backbone though).

Ah, yes - the 'Balkan' warrior thinks Poles need his genetics to stand up straight. The same one, who instead of admitting he's Greek, always let's it be known he's "Balkan". He's no doubt even more mendacious with his Greek heritage when in Germany!

[EU Explorer]

(03-17-2014 05:24 PM)brnoczech Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 03:35 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I would advise to Poles some limited import of Balkan folks to gain a backbone though).

Ah, yes - the 'Balkan' warrior thinks Poles need his genetics to stand up straight. The same one, who instead of admitting he's Greek, always let's it be known he's "Balkan". He's no doubt even more mendacious with his Greek heritage when in Germany!

Looks like Kamaki's troll is back again

[Greek kamaki]

The Poles lack the big picture they do not know how the game is played in the world"s big chess play.On the other hand the Russians know the big game but they cannot be adjusted to the small game.If the Poles get used by Germans they will be traitors for their own cause. Anyway Poles are regarded as defeated nation to change their position in Europe they must do sth of significance.

[Greek kamaki]

(03-17-2014 05:24 PM)brnoczech Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 03:35 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I would advise to Poles some limited import of Balkan folks to gain a backbone though).

Ah, yes - the 'Balkan' warrior thinks Poles need his genetics to stand up straight. The same one, who instead of admitting he's Greek, always let's it be known he's "Balkan". He's no doubt even more mendacious with his Greek heritage when in Germany!

Yes man we need to stand up to Germans.O.K. I work for them but they have fucked us in every hole.It is very bad what they have done.It cannot remain unregistered.If they limited their damage to the elites it would be fair game.But now it is excess.It us too much.

[Merenguero]

(03-18-2014 03:51 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:24 PM)brnoczech Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 03:35 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I would advise to Poles some limited import of Balkan folks to gain a backbone though).

Ah, yes - the 'Balkan' warrior thinks Poles need his genetics to stand up straight. The same one, who instead of admitting he's Greek, always let's it be known he's "Balkan". He's no doubt even more mendacious with his Greek heritage when in Germany!

Yes man we need to stand up to Germans.O.K. I work for them but they have fucked us in every hole.It is very bad what they have done.It cannot remain unregistered.If they limited their damage to the elites it would be fair game.But now it is excess.It us too much.

I think "brnoczech" was Deb.

[Greek kamaki]

Also Balkan people can remain loyal to Poland.Arabs,Jews,Germans there is no way they would remain loyal. Anyway Poles know about all these that is why they resist mass immigration.

[DarkKing]

(03-11-2014 09:20 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 06:33 AM)berserk Wrote:  

It seems like the Polish do not want their countries to go the way other western european countries have gone with regards to muslim and arab immigration.

Let us not forget that it was the Polish king Jan III Sobieski and his Polish-Austrian-German forces who saved Europe from the Ottomans at the Battle of Vienna in 1683. Most people have forgotten about it, but the Poles still remember it:

The Polish heavy cavalry, the Winged Hussars, fucked them Ottomans up real good:

I see that there are a lot of misconceptions on this thread due to a lack of knowledge. There was even a video posted of some skinheads talking about "Polish culture". These types are usually the ones who know the least about their own history. Funny story of some Polish Neo-Nazi who found out he was actually Jewish.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...nd.jewish/

Also some of the videos above are from the movie "Ogniem i meczem", which is based on a book written by Henryk Sinkiewicz, who is considered one of Poland's greatest writers and is actually descended from Lipka Tatars, Poland's (and also Belarus and Lithuania) Muslim minority.

You see Poland has always been a very multicultural country. Historically it had significant Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, but also Jewish and also Muslim minorities. The Lipka Tatars are a Muslim minority that has been living in Poland for almost 700 years. Over time most of them assimilated into the Polish dominant majority, however there are still a few thousand of them left even today in Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipka_Tatars

There was talk of Jan Sobieski and the Battle of Vienna. Did you know that a significant portion of his army (including at that Battle) was made up of Muslim Tatars? In fact, one of them saved his life in a subsequent battle. The tradition of a Muslim battalion in the Polish army continued until the beginning of WW2. This battalion was actually one of the last to give up to the Nazis after the invasion of Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Jeljaszewicz

There was even a huge wave of emigration of Scottish people to Poland all the way until the late 18th century. At one point there were about 60 thousand Scottish people in Poland. That is a significant number considering that the total population of the entire Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was about 7 or 8 million people at the time. So a lot of Polish people are descended from Scots.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1688881

But back to racism in Poland.

First of all, there are a bunch of thick-necked bald headed thugs in most countries of Central Europe. They have a chip on their shoulder and to prove their "manhood", they want to fight everyone. Most of the people they fight are actually white locals and not foreigners.

Second of all, why particular hostility towards Spaniards? Well Spaniards are often very loud and disrespectful of the local culture, which annoys the local people. The OP himself wrote how he was in a big group of Spanish people and they tried to be disrespectful to some Polish guy in line at McDonald's. I am not surprised typical Spanish behavior rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

Third of all, surprise surprise, but a lot of Central European girls treat their local men the same way that guys on here complain that women treat them in the "West" (whatever the "West" is). They treat them like shit and deny them the pussy. Then they see how slutty the same girls act towards foreigners, which causes resentment.

Despite the popular misconception, most Slavic men are beta, the same way that most guys in the rest of Europe and North America are beta. Women treat them like shit.

[Icarus]

(04-07-2014 05:39 PM)DarkKing Wrote:  

There was talk of Jan Sobieski and the Battle of Vienna. Did you know that a significant portion of his army (including at that Battle) was made up of Muslim Tatars? In fact, one of them saved his life in a subsequent battle. The tradition of a Muslim battalion in the Polish army continued until the beginning of WW2.

Extremely interesting. Were the Lipka Tatars at the Battle of Grunwald, too?

[DarkKing]

(04-07-2014 05:48 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 05:39 PM)DarkKing Wrote:  

There was talk of Jan Sobieski and the Battle of Vienna. Did you know that a significant portion of his army (including at that Battle) was made up of Muslim Tatars? In fact, one of them saved his life in a subsequent battle. The tradition of a Muslim battalion in the Polish army continued until the beginning of WW2.

Extremely interesting. Were the Lipka Tatars at the Battle of Grunwald, too?

Might be. The Battle of Grunwald happened at around the time that the Lipka Tatars started setting in the area and their troops started fighting for the Polish, so I would say that there probably were some Lipka Tatar troops there.

[Icarus]

(04-07-2014 05:56 PM)DarkKing Wrote:  

Might be. The Battle of Grunwald happened at around the time that the Lipka Tatars started setting in the area and their troops started fighting for the Polish, so I would say that there probably were some Lipka Tatar troops there.

Thanks. Can you recommend any books on Polish and Lithuanian history? One day I would like to try to understand the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.