[Big Nilla]

No gas for Ukraine, again.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-30...ail?page=1

[Chick Magnet]

Unbe-fucking-lievable.

Just stumbled on this by accident...

As somebody mentioned earlier, Georgia's ex-president (who started a war with Russia and is currently a wanted man in Georgia), is being made governor of Odessa.

The guy isn't even Ukrainian (well, the new regime handed him a passport).

Now, it looks like AMERICAN TAX PAYERS will be covering the cost of his staff.

Disgusting. We're paying for some disgraced foreign politician to be our puppet in Ukraine.

Honestly, America has lost any moral upper hand in this feud.

Putin now has my firm support to do what he wishes.

[Big Nilla]

http://fortruss.blogspot.se/2015/07/the-...ektor.html

Quote:

The Ukrainian Failed State: Pravy Sektor vs. The Kiev Junta

Good analysis about the fight between Kiev and Right Sector and how Right Sector isn't some wildcard that will mess up US plans. US prefers control through destabilization and chaos (or the threat of them) rather than just simple control.

[samsamsam]

This seems like a good tool. It has a timeline of events.

http://csis.org/ukraine/index.htm#149

Not to be a total noob, but how serious is this matter in Mukachevo? That is pretty far West in Ukraine.

Quote:

A standoff between armed members of the Right Sector organization and Ukrainian police continued over the past 24 hours, with the Ukrainian authorities putting into place roadblock around the city of Mukachevo. The Ukrainian Security Services (SBU) have issued an ultimatum, telling the Right Sector to disarm and surrender, with one SBU official noting “there is little time left for them.” Other reports suggest that the Ukrainian police have begun moving military equipment to the vicinity of Mukachevo, while the Right Sector has stated that “we can send the reserve battalions wherever we need [including to] outside the building of the presidential administration” in Kyiv.

[Seth_Rose]

(08-01-2014 07:06 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Stephan cohen latest article:

http://www.thenation.com/article/180825/...war-russia

Don't forget to listen to him weekly on The John Batchelor show(Tuesday night , online on wednesdays)

I wanted to bump this post. Just found Mr. Cohen's writings; they're excellent. What I find astounding is that he is one of the few American journalists/academics to defend Russia's actions and is automatically labeled a 'Puppet' and 'Putin apologist'. Makes you wonder about how free our press is...

Anyway here is his weekly column:

http://www.thenation.com/authors/stephen-f-cohen/

[Lika]

Interesting comment on an article:

"The opinion of most Ukrainians is quite simple--if this EU project doesn't work, everything will be okay because Russia will save them.

In Kharkov, where Right Sector ride through the streets causing mayhem; raping women, ransacking businesses, and even running over children as they rampage through the city in tanks drunk. The people in Kharkov don't fight, they help their occupiers; they repair tanks for the front, and even send their young men to fight against the people of the Donbass. Yet, if you ask a Kharkovian about the current situation they'll say something to the effect of, 'If this doesn't work out, we'll just wait until the Donbass militia come and liberate us'. Liberate them? Why would the people of Donbass want to?

Even the Ukrainians that didn't participate in Maiden have somewhat earnt their current situation, because they took a knee without even putting up a fight. They turned off their brains and allowed a non-slavic foreigner to pour poison in their ears. They call Russia an enemy when every single last one knows that isn't true."

http://russia-insider.com/en/must-read-a...yss/ri8988

[Barron]

(07-29-2015 01:57 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Interesting comment on an article:

"The opinion of most Ukrainians is quite simple--if this EU project doesn't work, everything will be okay because Russia will save them.

In Kharkov, where Right Sector ride through the streets causing mayhem; raping women, ransacking businesses, and even running over children as they rampage through the city in tanks drunk. The people in Kharkov don't fight, they help their occupiers; they repair tanks for the front, and even send their young men to fight against the people of the Donbass. Yet, if you ask a Kharkovian about the current situation they'll say something to the effect of, 'If this doesn't work out, we'll just wait until the Donbass militia come and liberate us'. Liberate them? Why would the people of Donbass want to?

Even the Ukrainians that didn't participate in Maiden have somewhat earnt their current situation, because they took a knee without even putting up a fight. They turned off their brains and allowed a non-slavic foreigner to pour poison in their ears. They call Russia an enemy when every single last one knows that isn't true."

http://russia-insider.com/en/must-read-a...yss/ri8988

I don't get the comment, it's made to sound like Kharkov is in a state of chaos where Mongols have just sacked the city and are given 48 hours to pillage and plunder.

Anybody on the ground in Kharkov can confirm??

[Lika]

(07-30-2015 12:40 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 01:57 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Interesting comment on an article:

"The opinion of most Ukrainians is quite simple--if this EU project doesn't work, everything will be okay because Russia will save them.

In Kharkov, where Right Sector ride through the streets causing mayhem; raping women, ransacking businesses, and even running over children as they rampage through the city in tanks drunk. The people in Kharkov don't fight, they help their occupiers; they repair tanks for the front, and even send their young men to fight against the people of the Donbass. Yet, if you ask a Kharkovian about the current situation they'll say something to the effect of, 'If this doesn't work out, we'll just wait until the Donbass militia come and liberate us'. Liberate them? Why would the people of Donbass want to?

Even the Ukrainians that didn't participate in Maiden have somewhat earnt their current situation, because they took a knee without even putting up a fight. They turned off their brains and allowed a non-slavic foreigner to pour poison in their ears. They call Russia an enemy when every single last one knows that isn't true."

http://russia-insider.com/en/must-read-a...yss/ri8988

I don't get the comment, it's made to sound like Kharkov is in a state of chaos where Mongols have just sacked the city and are given 48 hours to pillage and plunder.

Anybody on the ground in Kharkov can confirm??

Read the article under the comment, it gives you an idea of the financial situation of Ukraine where gas for heating this winter has increased 7 fold since last winter and where the average pension is 1500 UAH (65 usd) per month:

"Economic Abyss
A glimpse into financial realities of Ukraine and its empoverished population gives an impression of a country on the brink of something very, very bad"

[Big Nilla]

The USA screwed over Kurds in favor of Turkey (in Syria/Iraq). Wonder if one of the benefits is Turkey screwing over Russia on TurkStream.

The USA has done a great job locking out Russia's pipeline in southern Europe (Bulgaria/Greece/Turkey?). But it seems Russia did Germany a favor with the Greece situation... maybe that helps smooth out the NordStream expansion. Let Germany be the gas hub for Europe.

[Samseau]

"It May Come To A Military Coup"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-03...government

Apparently the right wing in Ukraine isn't happy with the government...

[Caveman]

(07-31-2015 12:43 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

The USA screwed over Kurds in favor of Turkey (in Syria/Iraq). Wonder if one of the benefits is Turkey screwing over Russia on TurkStream.

The USA has done a great job locking out Russia's pipeline in southern Europe (Bulgaria/Greece/Turkey?). But it seems Russia did Germany a favor with the Greece situation... maybe that helps smooth out the NordStream expansion. Let Germany be the gas hub for Europe.

I don't think they're doing tit for tat favors. I don't know the intricacies of their dealings, but from the few political games I've been able to understand in my life, it's never as simple as that.

[Big Nilla]

The war is reportedly intensifying. The US could be heating things up in Ukraine to distract and weaken Russia's response to the coming US/Turkey assault on Assad in Syria.

[Myshkin]

(07-29-2015 01:57 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Interesting comment on an article:

"In Kharkov, where Right Sector ride through the streets causing mayhem; raping women, ransacking businesses, and even running over children as they rampage through the city in tanks drunk. The people in Kharkov don't fight, they help their occupiers; they repair tanks for the front, and even send their young men to fight against the people of the Donbass. Yet, if you ask a Kharkovian about the current situation they'll say something to the effect of, 'If this doesn't work out, we'll just wait until the Donbass militia come and liberate us'. Liberate them? Why would the people of Donbass want to?

Even the Ukrainians that didn't participate in Maiden have somewhat earnt their current situation, because they took a knee without even putting up a fight. They turned off their brains and allowed a non-slavic foreigner to pour poison in their ears. They call Russia an enemy when every single last one knows that isn't true."

http://russia-insider.com/en/must-read-a...yss/ri8988

Russia Insider is just another faux news organization/Russian propaganda arm (created by a so-called "Charles Bausman" who is in fact a Russian business executive and just another paid shill in Russia’s massive media war/hacking). To read this raving BS nonsense reminds me the good old Pravda

(08-05-2015 05:08 PM)Lika Wrote:  

"In Ukraine enormous rise in Gangsterism Since Maidan - Daylight kidnappings, killings and robberies

In 2014, Ukraine registered more than one million criminal offenses, a nearly 90% increase in the number of serious crimes–most of them in the capital city of Kyiv."

http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine-gangsterism/ri9043

[Myshkin]

(07-30-2015 12:40 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

I don't get the comment, it's made to sound like Kharkov is in a state of chaos where Mongols have just sacked the city and are given 48 hours to pillage and plunder.

.....and of course, for Russia Insider, crime is indubitably plummeting in the "Donetsk People's Republic" haha.

[Big Nilla]

"East Ukraine's Donetsk Republic Will Hold Referendum To Join Russia"
Interesting move, and escalation, by Putin. Especially in that it's only the Donetsk Republic doing it and not Lugansk.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19...oin-russia

[Akula]

(08-18-2015 11:05 AM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

The war is reportedly intensifying. The US could be heating things up in Ukraine to distract and weaken Russia's response to the coming US/Turkey assault on Assad in Syria.

Yeah, everyone here is hearing that the government is planning a huge offensive on the 24th (Independence Day) next week. Seems like they are mobilizing for a big push before the winter kicks in.

[262]

^^^ Possibly related: saw on social media that there was a military parade on the main street of Kiev today.

[Dan Woolf]

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[Big Nilla]

(08-19-2015 04:26 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

"East Ukraine's Donetsk Republic Will Hold Referendum To Join Russia"
Interesting move, and escalation, by Putin. Especially in that it's only the Donetsk Republic doing it and not Lugansk.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19...oin-russia

Not clear, but this may be just a rumor. Since it doesn't make sense or fit with Russian goals, probably is.

[Going strong]

(08-20-2015 02:22 PM)Akula Wrote:  

Yeah, everyone here is hearing that the government is planning a huge offensive on the 24th (Independence Day) next week. Seems like they are mobilizing for a big push before the winter kicks in.

Mobilizing Ukrainian young men? Good luck with that. They'd have to track them individually and bring them under escort to the front with a gun to their heads...

Same with the "big push": Good luck with that! Only big push will be towards making more money out of common people's misery...

[Akula]

(08-20-2015 06:33 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

I'm torn. Should I be traveling to Kiev right now or not?

Kiev is fine right now. Girls are back in university come September so that's a good month to come.

With all the other shit going on now in the world it sure seem like the Ukraine conflict is taking a serious back seat to all the other ongoing chaos and with oil this low and Russia in a bit of an economic bind now I'm wondering if the war in the east is going to be on hold through the winter now.

Also read today that Ukraine now will be buying Russian gas....

[Roosh]

Things heated up today:

Deadly clashes in Kiev as Ukraine MPs back more autonomy for rebels
http://news.yahoo.com/dozen-wounded-blas...08178.html

[Seth_Rose]

^^^ Indeed

I doubt the Western Media will acknowledge that it was because of far-right groups though. I'm sure they'll blame it on Putin.

[Akula]

^^^ yeah, true. The groups have a point re Poroshenko though. That grenade attack was terrible of course, but the current government have done nothing really to change the corruption in a meaningful way, and it's still pretty much full of the same old corrupt oligarchs by and large, with a few exceptions. Sure there are all sorts of superficial reforms that look and sound ok, but don't really change anything in practice. So no wonder many are pissed off still.

Honestly, Poroshenko & Yats and thier corrupt cronies need to go, at least eventually - they are really as big a part of the problem as anything else. Meanwhile the West acts like these guys are bastions of free markets and democracy (!).

Craziest thing about that attack is that it was completely confined to that area of town and I had no idea that anything was amiss until I read about it. Even walking up and down Kreshatik and around town today you would not have know about it at least from my travels.

These people here certainly know now how to "get along with their lives" despite the background of tension, economic hardship and war in the east, that's for sure.

[Big Nilla]

If true, this is HUGE news (about time, Russia) in the widening conflict between Russia and the USA around the world...

Russia to Begin Airstrikes Against ISIS in Syria
Russian presence in Syria will increase likelihood of encounters with US
http://www.infowars.com/russia-to-begin-...-in-syria/

Quote:

... U.S. airstrikes, however, will soon face competition from Russia.

Western diplomats say a Russian expeditionary force has arrived in Syria and will operate, according to the Israeli website YNet, as a Russian forward operating base.

“In the coming weeks thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisors, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and the pilots who will operate the aircraft,” writes Alex Fishman.

“The current makeup of the expeditionary force is still unknown, but there is no doubt that Russian pilots flying combat missions in Syrian skies will definitely change the existing dynamics in the Middle East.”

The presence of the Russian military in the skies over Syria will increase the possibility of encounters with the United States, especially if the US adopts a more aggressive stance against the Syrian government.