[Lika]

(10-19-2015 02:47 AM)Bona fide Wrote:  

Putin has never had anything by the balls.Well,not true, he's got his people by the balls.

Putin's Approval Rating Reaches Historic Maximum of Almost 90%

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/pu...90/ri10681

[Barron]

State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up

https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-bl...-blown-up/

Russia’s Crimea has switched to autonomous reserve power after transmission towers in the adjacent Ukrainian Kherson region were blown up, causing a blackout. Meanwhile, the Right Sector and Crimean Tatar “activists” have been attempting to block repairs.

Crimean authorities rushed to connect hospitals and other vital infrastructure to reserve power stations and generators late on Saturday after the four main transmission lines from Ukraine were cut off in an apparent act of sabotage. The regional energy ministry has created an emergency response center to deal with the power cut.

[Big Nilla]

Good article on how Russia, due to its weakness leftover from the 90's, dealt with the US the last 15+ years and rebuilt its power without causing too much alarm from the US establishment. Also says why Russia couldn't better secure Ukraine over the last 15 years.

http://thesaker.is/russia-in-an-invisible-war/

[FilipSRB]

Ischenko's analysis is always top notch, it is a pleasure to read him.

[Disco_Volante]

So has Russia even benefitted from starting this shit?
Oil was going down either way, but provoking these sanctions against their own economy is looking especially stupid now for Russia.

The Ruble is shit, oil is down and possibly going to the teens. Putin has kind of fucked himself with no way to help the economy, and their reserve cash is running out.

Maybe it has to play out over more years to see if they'll benefit from a new port or something, but it's looking bad for Russia now. I don't see how they can continue funding a takeover of Ukraine.

[Big Nilla]

1. Russia did NOT start this.

2. Russia is doing what it needs to do (Ukraine, Syria, etc.). Defying the global elite isn't an easy business. One way or another, they were going to be made to suffer no matter what they did. Look at the alternative, Europe. They bend over and take it in the ass and still are made to suffer with muslim migrants and other stuff. Russia is fighting to be free from international domination. If that isn't a worthy cause to suffer for, I don't know what is.

3. To be balanced, the US, Europe, Japan, etc. economies (and people) aren't doing any better than Russia's economy. Add in the fact that the western economies are built on debt and financial frauds, schemes, manipulations, and scams, unlike Russia's low debt economy.

[Krieg]

(01-21-2016 11:42 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

So has Russia even benefitted from starting this shit?
Oil was going down either way, but provoking these sanctions against their own economy is looking especially stupid now for Russia.

The Ruble is shit, oil is down and possibly going to the teens. Putin has kind of fucked himself with no way to help the economy, and their reserve cash is running out.

Maybe it has to play out over more years to see if they'll benefit from a new port or something, but it's looking bad for Russia now. I don't see how they can continue funding a takeover of Ukraine.

Ruble has dropped to 85 on Thursday then stabilized slightly.Expected to fall even further.Pending that literally everything in Russia is imported prices for food and daily products rise. Average salary in Russia now is about 200-400$ now,and looking scared Putin gave a press conference two weeks ago where he "warned of new economic realities" (translate-we are in shit). I note that even the most pro-Putin Russians curse him left and right. The GDP of Russia is predicted to drop 1.1% next year.That is if oil recovers in price to $50 which is unlikely. Mind that 68% of Russian export is petroleum and petroleum gases.

Meanwhile economy of Ukraine, the country in war which has lost approx 20% of its industrial potential to Russian invasion, is predicted to grow next year. Ukraine has improved its trade balance with record export numbers in agricultural products in 2015.

So yeah,Russia and especially Russian people have not benefited from this.They have become significantly poorer. They have lost the biggest export market and only ally throughout hundreds years of history in the face of Ukraine (akin of England losing Scotland) forever. They have created a menace at their borders- Ukraine did not have any army in 2013 now it is quite a tough nut to crack (thus Putin gave up on idea of expanding further, Ukrainians did not let him). They got into the pointless Syrian conflict which they can not afford. Putin's ratings drop day by day, his ministers and Putin himself look hopeless on TV.

Tough times are waiting Russia ahead.

[Jaydublin]

(01-23-2016 09:50 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 11:42 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

So has Russia even benefitted from starting this shit?
Oil was going down either way, but provoking these sanctions against their own economy is looking especially stupid now for Russia.

The Ruble is shit, oil is down and possibly going to the teens. Putin has kind of fucked himself with no way to help the economy, and their reserve cash is running out.

Maybe it has to play out over more years to see if they'll benefit from a new port or something, but it's looking bad for Russia now. I don't see how they can continue funding a takeover of Ukraine.

Ruble has dropped to 85 on Thursday then stabilized slightly.Expected to fall even further.Pending that literally everything in Russia is imported prices for food and daily products rise. Average salary in Russia now is about 200-400$ now,and looking scared Putin gave a press conference two weeks ago where he "warned of new economic realities" (translate-we are in shit). I note that even the most pro-Putin Russians curse him left and right. The GDP of Russia is predicted to drop 1.1% next year.That is if oil recovers in price to $50 which is unlikely. Mind that 68% of Russian export is petroleum and petroleum gases.

Meanwhile economy of Ukraine, the country in war which has lost approx 20% of its industrial potential to Russian invasion, is predicted to grow next year. Ukraine has improved its trade balance with record export numbers in agricultural products in 2015.

So yeah,Russia and especially Russian people have not benefited from this.They have become significantly poorer. They have lost the biggest export market and only ally throughout hundreds years of history in the face of Ukraine (akin of England losing Scotland) forever. They have created a menace at their borders- Ukraine did not have any army in 2013 now it is quite a tough nut to crack (thus Putin gave up on idea of expanding further, Ukrainians did not let him). They got into the pointless Syrian conflict which they can not afford. Putin's ratings drop day by day, his ministers and Putin himself look hopeless on TV.

Tough times are waiting Russia ahead.

I don't even know anything about the conflict but I can tell you that strong armies are not build in 2 years. Any decent military would run over Ukraine if Ukraine was defending itself without help.

[Davidovich]

This thread is too serious. Imagine this, the hookers in Kiev are complaining about new problems after Maidan. Yes this might be the wrong thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VCMK13a...tu.be&t=25

[262]

^^^
Careful. We don't discuss prostitution here.

[Barron]

will be interesting to see how relations with Russia go if Trump takes the white house

[Krieg]

(01-25-2016 03:57 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

will be interesting to see how relations with Russia go if Trump takes the white house

They wont change.

You see USA cant lift the sanctions against Russia.Mainly because US,GB and Russia signed a Budapest memorandum in 1994 guaranteeing Ukrainian sovereignty for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons. US cant ignore this document, otherwise it will create a precedent of any country in the world not giving a shit about US.

Trump can like Putin as much as he wants, but he wont be able to go against his team of advisers when the things get real.

Besides,by the time Trump will be in power -Russia will be an economic ruin.And Putin most likely will removed from power by the oligarch elites ruling Russia pretty soon, as his clumsy actions directly influence their income abroad.

[Krieg]

(10-24-2015 04:57 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 02:47 AM)Bona fide Wrote:  

Putin has never had anything by the balls.Well,not true, he's got his people by the balls.

Putin's Approval Rating Reaches Historic Maximum of Almost 90%

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/pu...90/ri10681

In 2013.

Everything is different now.GDP per capita of Russia is next to Gabon. Average salary is $350. People protesting ,e.g. lorry drivers now protesting nationally against Putin's cronies (jewish family Rothenbergs) who set up a new transport tax which flows directly into Rothenbergs pockets (so called "Platon" system).

Russian economy is smaller then Australia and Korea now.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

[Lika]

(02-07-2016 09:19 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

(10-24-2015 04:57 AM)Lika Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 02:47 AM)Bona fide Wrote:  

Putin has never had anything by the balls.Well,not true, he's got his people by the balls.

Putin's Approval Rating Reaches Historic Maximum of Almost 90%

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/pu...90/ri10681

In 2013.

Everything is different now.GDP per capita of Russia is next to Gabon. Average salary is $350. People protesting ,e.g. lorry drivers now protesting nationally against Putin's cronies (jewish family Rothenbergs) who set up a new transport tax which flows directly into Rothenbergs pockets (so called "Platon" system).

Russian economy is smaller then Australia and Korea now.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

Of course the Russian economy is suffering, with the inane economic sanctions and the manipulations on the oil price... But the Russian people have awaken.

They will not let the anti-white Jewish / Israeli maffia rule again for long periods of time like in Soviet times and from 1992-1998, with the disastrous effects on the population and the tenths of millions of goy deaths.

As Soljenitsyne said: Russians have kept their identity and culture in spite of all, they will be all right. Western countries have lost their identity and are suffering an eclipse of intelligence. Until the dissidence starts to emerge...

[Krieg]

(02-27-2016 05:13 AM)Lika Wrote:  

Sic transit gloria mundi.




Of course the Russian economy is suffering, with the inane economic sanctions and the manipulations on the oil price... But the Russian people have awaken.

First of all- I appreciate you commenting in a calm and reasonable manner without descending into brainless propaganda.

The oil price dropped because of oversupply,not because some evil Jews press buttons somewhere. Since many primitive economies of the world (Russia,Venezuela,Saudi Arabia) heavily rely on oil in their yearly budgeting they increased production (to compensate for potential losses) thus causing oil to spiral even further down.

If Putin was indeed a talented manager-he would use the 10 years of sky-rocketing oil prices diversifying economy, creating free market, encouraging small and medium size business. Instead he and his cronies just killed all the Russian industry and pocketed most of the oil profits.

10-20% of USSR exports consisted of oil and petroleum products.65% of Russian export in 2013 consisted of petroleum and petroleum gases.Low oil prices in 80s brought huge economic challenges to USSR, triggering its eventual collapse. Low oil prices in 98 brought to Russia huge economic challenges too. Any moron could gather than heavy reliance on oil is a suicidal strategy. Putin could not.

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They will not let the anti-white Jewish / Israeli maffia rule again for long periods of time like in Soviet times and from 1992-1998, with the disastrous effects on the population and the tenths of millions of goy deaths.

Haha..right.

First of all lets examine Putin's inner circle. As we know he runs the country together with a close circle of his mates.These people were nobody in 90s and bacame billionaires with Putin's succession.Among those- brothers Rotenbergs-hardcore jews, Fursenko S and A-jews, Shamalov-jew.The last one is interesting because his son is married to Putin's daughter. Here is the picture of him https://goo.gl/zeECeB

Jews make absolute majority of top 20 Russian oligarchs.From top 200 of richest people of Russia jews make up 21%, while they are only 0.1% of the total population of Russia.Here is the table (Russians are first,jews are second):

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As Soljenitsyne said: Russians have kept their identity and culture in spite of all, they will be all right. Western countries have lost their identity and are suffering an eclipse of intelligence. Until the dissidence starts to emerge...

Eeehh..quite unpalatable comment. Western countries might be losing their cultural identity but what does it have to do with Putin and Russia? The policy of multicultural society is actually Russia's official doctrine, from school books to Putin opening the biggest mosque in the world in Moscow.It can not be otherwise- Russia is a multi-ethnic state.The traditional area of Russian settlement is just 300 km around Moscow, the rest are and have been other ethnic formations. Even Putin,as I can gather from his name, is not an ethnic Russian surname-it is most probably Izhorian name.

Yes, west is heading to the cliffs but so is Russia.The last bastions of national conciousness are EE and CE countries (Ukraine,Poland,Slovakia,Baltics).

Also, since you mentioned Solzhenitsyn-this guy suffered in Stalin's GULAGS (and wrote amazing books about it) and opposed Soviet regime fiercely. Meanwhile Putin glorifies Soviet Union and Stalin in particular.Not a good example to support your line of thoughts. He warned us about people like Putin.

[AManLikePutin]

Krieg, I remember a month ago you mentioned how you wanted Alexei Navalny to be president of Russia instead of Putin, because he'll close the borders, control muslim influence better, won't be a slave of Kadyrov and prosper Russia to their white, christian roots....

so if Putin is this incompetent, Russia-destroying, useless cunt, shouldn't you be happy as a Ukrainian patriot ? If I were you, I'd just sit back and enjoy the collapse of Russia both economically and geographically under this incompetent buffoon (as you believe) rather than wishing someone strong and competent take over (In your opinion Alexei Navalny).

Pour yourself some scotch and enjoy destruction of the evil Russian empire mate under their worst leader since...ehm... Yeltsin , after all you believe Putin won't be in power by next January for Trump inauguration anyways....must be party time soon !!!

[Lika]

(02-27-2016 08:46 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

The oil price dropped because of oversupply,not because some evil Jews press buttons somewhere

Haha the button pressing Jew (and his shabat goy)... funny one. I'm surprised you haven't called me a racist antisemite yet.

(02-27-2016 08:46 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

Jews make absolute majority of top 20 Russian oligarchs.From top 200 of richest people of Russia jews make up 21%, while they are only 0.1% of the total population of Russia.

When Putin was elected, the Jewish oligarchs had economic and political power. Putin made a deal with them: you can keep your business but you will pay taxes and you will not meddle in politics. The Jewish oligarchs do not control politics anymore (contrary to Ukraine where the population is starving like it was in the 90s in Russia under the Jewish oligarchs... food for thought).

(02-27-2016 08:46 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

Yes, west is heading to the cliffs but so is Russia.The last bastions of national conciousness are EE and CE countries (Ukraine,Poland,Slovakia,Baltics).

Your irrational Ukrainian hate for Putin blinds you my friend... Russia has kept its strong mono-cultural and orthodox religious identity, despite its minorities.

(02-27-2016 08:46 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

Also, since you mentioned Solzhenitsyn-this guy suffered in Stalin's GULAGS (and wrote amazing books about it) and opposed Soviet regime fiercely. Meanwhile Putin glorifies Soviet Union and Stalin in particular.Not a good example to support your line of thoughts. He warned us about people like Putin.

Solzhenitsyn, after a few years of Putin presidency, recognized Putin as a great leader who is fighting nowadays the same cosmopolitan Jewish (oligarchic) mafia that he himself suffered from in Soviet times:

"You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators."

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Solzhenitsyn praise for Vladimir Putin:

"Solzhenitsyn positively contrasted the eight-year reign of Putin with those of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, which he said had 'added to the damage done to the Russian state by 70 years of communist rule'. Under Putin, the nation was rediscovering what it was to be Russian, Solzhenitsyn thought."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/de...imir-putin

[Krieg]

(02-27-2016 04:10 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  

Krieg, I remember a month ago you mentioned how you wanted Alexei Navalny to be president of Russia instead of Putin, because he'll close the borders, control muslim influence better, won't be a slave of Kadyrov and prosper Russia to their white, christian roots....

so if Putin is this incompetent, Russia-destroying, useless cunt, shouldn't you be happy as a Ukrainian patriot ? If I were you, I'd just sit back and enjoy the collapse of Russia both economically and geographically under this incompetent buffoon (as you believe) rather than wishing someone strong and competent take over (In your opinion Alexei Navalny).

Pour yourself some scotch and enjoy destruction of the evil Russian empire mate under their worst leader since...ehm... Yeltsin , after all you believe Putin won't be in power by next January for Trump inauguration anyways....must be party time soon !!!

I actually do enjoy watching Russia's collapse at certain extent. But I don't want Russia to hit rock bottom because the ricochet will hurt Ukraine and everyone around bad.A massive country with nuclear weapons and dangerous foci of sectarian violence (like Chechnya)? Most of my family comes from Russia-I would rather prefer Russia to be a prosperous democratic state,not a warmongering de-facto dictatorship.

Also,from a perspective of Eastern Ukrainian-Putin of-course is a danger.Despite all the propaganda-there was no cause for the war in Donbass, except his own ambitions. Now Donbass is dead, there is nothing left there, no law and no order,most have left,it has seized to exist economically,it is very painful picture to see. My city is not too far from there-and I was worried that Russians would move further west.That would mean evacuation of members of my family,destruction (as it is modus operandi for any Russian military operation) property losses etc.

So yes I don't think sitting with popcorn and watching Putin destroying Russia is the best option.Many Russians don't think this neither.


But most of all-I commented with regards to the myths about Putin which has been created here and around manosphere, trying to be as objective as I can (and removing my Ukrainian interests from arguments where I could).

I have no interest in discussing Ukrainian conflict per se as everything is clear for me anyways. It is a war, we are different camps.It is like discussing with Germans in 1942 over Stalingrad.

[Krieg]

[quote] (02-28-2016 05:22 AM)Lika Wrote:  

[quote='Krieg' pid='1233111' dateline='1456580812']
The oil price dropped because of oversupply,not because some evil Jews press buttons somewhere[/quote]

Haha the button pressing Jew (and his shabat goy)... funny one. I'm surprised you haven't called me a racist antisemite yet.

[quote] (02-27-2016 08:46 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

Jews make absolute majority of top 20 Russian oligarchs.From top 200 of richest people of Russia jews make up 21%, while they are only 0.1% of the total population of Russia.

When Putin was elected, the Jewish oligarchs had economic and political power. Putin made a deal with them: you can keep your business but you will pay taxes and you will not meddle in politics. The Jewish oligarchs do not control politics anymore[/quote]

How do you know?From where I can see: all but 2 Jewish oligarchs from 90s not only stayed in power, they have increased their incomes 100-fold.

[quote]Quote:

(contrary to Ukraine where the population is starving like it was in the 90s in Russia under the Jewish oligarchs... food for thought).[/quote]

According to russian TV Ukrainian people have been "starving" since 2004.

Life expectancy in Ukraine is higher then in Russia.
Average salary in Russia is $300
Average salary in Ukraine is $200
Obviously these are official salaries,cash in envelope makes it higher both in Ua and Ru.

Prices for food in Ukraine are cheaper since Ukraine is a producer of agricultural products with a net export margin.Russia is a net importer+sanctions have increased the prices dramatically+logistical costs are higher due to lower quality roads and the size of the country.

I don't see how does this make Ukraine starving and Russia prospering.And most importantly-why would a superpower with massive petroleum resources compete with a poor country which lost 20% of it economic potential due to a war and annexation?

Also the Jewish oligarchs have been slowly removed from power and money. Kolomoysky for example lost control over state enterprise Ukrnafta and his right hand is in prison now. But I agree,Ukraine has the same disease as Russia (albeit at a smaller scale) when it comes to a Jewish problem in the government.

[quote] (02-27-2016 08:46 AM)Krieg Wrote:  

Yes, west is heading to the cliffs but so is Russia.The last bastions of national conciousness are EE and CE countries (Ukraine,Poland,Slovakia,Baltics).

Russia has kept its strong mono-cultural and orthodox religious identity, despite its minorities.[/quote]

This is a muslim prayer on the streets of Moscow.Keep such"mono cultural orthodox bla bla" to yourself,I opt out.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Some context for that photo:

VestnikKakvaza Wrote:

140 thousand Muslims celebrate Eid al-Adha in Moscow

About 140 thousand people celebrated Eid al-Adha in Moscow, and about 80 thousand Muslims came to the Moscow Cathedral Mosque, the head of the press service of the State Ministry of Interior in the capital, Andrei Galiakberov, said.

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/140-thous...oscow.html

Population of Moscow:

Wikipedia Wrote:

12.1 million (2012)

Muslims number around 1.5 million, equivalent to 14% of the city's population (similar to London). Altogether, Muslims in Russia are 9,400,000 or 6.5% of the total population.

A better question is: are there No-Go Zones in Moscow? Are there Shariah law zones in Moscow? Are there riots and destruction by Muslims? Are Muslims a protected class that can't be criticized or not indulged in any way on the pain of massive fines and jail time?

I live adjacent to a country with a 45% muslim population and visit frequently. Zero problems, as expected from secularized muslims anywhere.

I'm not a fan of Islam at all, but let's admit it: most of Europe's problems with Muslims [and other foreigners] are caused by suicidally pampering them and turning them into a protected political class, not in their numbers per se.

[Krieg]

(02-28-2016 08:51 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Some context for that photo:

VestnikKakvaza Wrote:

140 thousand Muslims celebrate Eid al-Adha in Moscow

About 140 thousand people celebrated Eid al-Adha in Moscow, and about 80 thousand Muslims came to the Moscow Cathedral Mosque, the head of the press service of the State Ministry of Interior in the capital, Andrei Galiakberov, said.

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/140-thous...oscow.html

Population of Moscow:

Wikipedia Wrote:

12.1 million (2012)

Muslims number around 1.5 million, equivalent to 14% of the city's population (similar to London). Altogether, Muslims in Russia are 9,400,000 or 6.5% of the total population.

A better question is: are there No-Go Zones in Moscow? Are there Shariah law zones in Moscow? Are there riots and destruction by Muslims? Are Muslims a protected class that can't be criticized or not indulged in any way on the pain of massive fines and jail time?

I live adjacent to a country with a 45% muslim population and visit frequently. Zero problems, as expected from secularized muslims anywhere.

I'm not a fan of Islam at all, but let's admit it: most of Europe's problems with Muslims [and other foreigners] are caused by suicidally pampering them and turning them into a protected political class, not in their numbers per se.

You are missing on one important point: most of the Moscow muslims,absolute majority of them, are newcomers.These are not Kazan Tatars.These are migrants from central asia,caucasus,afganistan and so on.Result of a careless migration policy and transparent borders.

Moscow does not have no go zones,true.But the change is creeping.
This was the last uprisal of Russians (mainly football hooligans as usual) against migration policy of Putin and against migrants (2010):

As I pointed out previously the fierce opponent of Putin-Navalny has devoted a huge chunk of his program to the changes to migration policy.He wants to reinstate visas for Central Asians,he wants to stop paying money for Chechnya,he wants to deport illegals etc. Again,as opposed to Putin's government policies.

This is like Trump vs Obama.Navalny wants to build a wall too.

[Big Nilla]

Russia should've aggressively lowered its interest rate to around 6-7% last year when the ruble was moving to 49-1 against the dollar. They missed that opportunity. Now that the ruble and oil prices are bumping up a little, Russia should take advantage of it and sneak in a 2% rate cut to bring the interest rate down to 9%. Would be nice if the privately owned RCB would take the brakes off the Russian economy.

[Samseau]

High interest rates are bad in the short run, but good in the long run. Whoever is in control of these interest rates have a vested interest in long-term outcome of the country.

[Big Nilla]

High interest rates are good for a country?! That needs some explaining.

Any type of money loaned out with interest (even a low %) by a private federal bank is bad. Who gains that money and who loses it? Was it even earned?

High Russian interest rates suppress domestic business borrowing and a self-reliance investment/credit loop. Russian companies are then forced to borrow from outside of Russia since the interest rates are way lower. But that's being blocked by foreign countries. Heck, the money Russia borrows from outside Russia is Russia's own money being sent overseas, too. Ridiculous.

High interest rates don't lower inflation... or keep it lower. That's a fallacy. Can't trust official gov't inflation rates, but look at the low interest rates and low inflation rates of western countries. Russia's higher inflation is due mostly to importing too many high priced foreign things. The ruble weakening makes those prices even higher. That's why Russia's import substitution is so important. But the problem is with high domestic interest rate, companies can't profitably borrow to expand domestic production.

At the personal level, people borrowing to buy a house, a car, or using credit cards would obviously benefit from lower interest rates. The only people who benefit from higher interest rates are few... mostly those who pretty much have a monopoly on lending. A rent-seeking dominated economy is a dying economy. That's what we have in the western world.

[KorbenDallas]

You've got it exactly the opposite.

Who did well in 90's America? the people because of Reagan's policies of high interest rates in the 80's.


Low interest rates, good for the few at the top who get money first and bad for the bottom.

High interest rates bad short term, but clear out bad investment and make way for a prosperous future.

May not even matter at this point the western world is so far gone.