[scorpion]

j r are you even reading anything I post or just reflexively getting mad?

I said nothing about you or any black posters here. I am talking about the black community and black leaders.

You never hear the black community coming together to address the issue of violence committed by young, black men. Instead, the issue is always about how blacks are victims.

Anyway, there is no point continuing this discussion. I just saw speakeasy's new post as well. Obviously we just disagree on this and it's very difficult for us to see eye to eye. I can't pretend to understand the black experience and neither of you can understand what it's like to be white and look at this from the outside. Always the problem with racial discussions and why they are so fruitless.

[NY Digital]

(11-14-2013 03:25 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Honestly, I don't think most black people have even heard of this knockout game. I never did until it was posted in here.

I guess most black people never heard of black crime in cities either.

[J.J.]

(11-14-2013 03:35 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I said nothing about you or any black posters here. I am talking about the black community and black leaders.

You never hear the black community coming together to address the issue of violence committed by young, black men. Instead, the issue is always about how blacks are victims.

What black leaders aren't addressing those issues?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...ckson.html

[Samseau]

(11-14-2013 06:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Except the power structure says you're not allowed to notice this, cause then you're raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs.

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

As for myself I am maybe a 'rightwinger', 'but' I have African friends, and have traveled, happily, to Africa. Several times been to Africa, no problem, people have been cool with me there.

Most retarded comment left on here.

Those are exactly the type of people that move into those neighborhoods.

Like JJ said, it's called "Gentrification".

Not sure how you missed that phenomenon.

The liberals only move in after the right wingers throw the violent minorities in jail.

Case in point:

1. NYC was a violent shithole
2. Jews got beat up in crown height riots
3. Right-wingers (Giuliani) were elected to deal with crime
4. Right-wingers use unconstitutional measures such as "stop + frisk" to deal with violent minorities
5. Violent minorities are incarcerated en masse
6. Neighborhoods become safe again
7. Liberal whites move in and call themselves progressive (LOL)
8. Liberal whites vote to get rid of right-wing measures like "stop + frisk"
9. Neighborhoods become violent again
10. White flight resumes and liberal whites GTFO
11. Right wingers get elected to deal with crime
12. The cycle continues indefinitely


Ah, America politics. Just a big charade and farce. If we got rid of every liberal the world would be a better place.

[NY Digital]

The whole problem with liberalism is the whole PC bullshit.

You can't talk about serious issues if they're not deemed appropriate.

How can you solve issues without talking about them first?

It's a circle jerk by rich, feel-good SWPL's that have their guilt satiated.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-14-2013 03:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 06:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Except the power structure says you're not allowed to notice this, cause then you're raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs.

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

As for myself I am maybe a 'rightwinger', 'but' I have African friends, and have traveled, happily, to Africa. Several times been to Africa, no problem, people have been cool with me there.

Most retarded comment left on here.

Those are exactly the type of people that move into those neighborhoods.

Like JJ said, it's called "Gentrification".

Not sure how you missed that phenomenon.

The liberals only move in after the right wingers throw the violent minorities in jail.

Case in point:

1. NYC was a violent shithole
2. Jews got beat up in crown height riots
3. Right-wingers (Giuliani) were elected to deal with crime
4. Right-wingers use unconstitutional measures such as "stop + frisk" to deal with violent minorities
5. Violent minorities are incarcerated en masse
6. Neighborhoods become safe again
7. Liberal whites move in and call themselves progressive (LOL)
8. Liberal whites vote to get rid of right-wing measures like "stop + frisk"
9. Neighborhoods become violent again
10. White flight resumes and liberal whites GTFO
11. Right wingers get elected to deal with crime
12. The cycle continues indefinitely


Ah, America politics. Just a big charade and farce. If we got rid of every liberal the world would be a better place.

Your right.

That is how it always works.

Like in DC.

DC always has conservative Republican Mayors.

Oh, wait...

[Samseau]

(11-14-2013 03:56 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

The whole problem with liberalism is the whole PC bullshit.

You can't talk about serious issues if they're not deemed appropriate.

How can you solve issues without talking about them first?

It's a circle jerk by rich, feel-good SWPL's that have their guilt satiated.

In my opinion, the final frontier of red pill thought is the complete elimination of all forms of political correctness. Political correctness is just the suppression of truth.

[Samseau]

(11-14-2013 03:57 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 06:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Except the power structure says you're not allowed to notice this, cause then you're raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs.

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

As for myself I am maybe a 'rightwinger', 'but' I have African friends, and have traveled, happily, to Africa. Several times been to Africa, no problem, people have been cool with me there.

Most retarded comment left on here.

Those are exactly the type of people that move into those neighborhoods.

Like JJ said, it's called "Gentrification".

Not sure how you missed that phenomenon.

The liberals only move in after the right wingers throw the violent minorities in jail.

Case in point:

1. NYC was a violent shithole
2. Jews got beat up in crown height riots
3. Right-wingers (Giuliani) were elected to deal with crime
4. Right-wingers use unconstitutional measures such as "stop + frisk" to deal with violent minorities
5. Violent minorities are incarcerated en masse
6. Neighborhoods become safe again
7. Liberal whites move in and call themselves progressive (LOL)
8. Liberal whites vote to get rid of right-wing measures like "stop + frisk"
9. Neighborhoods become violent again
10. White flight resumes and liberal whites GTFO
11. Right wingers get elected to deal with crime
12. The cycle continues indefinitely


Ah, America politics. Just a big charade and farce. If we got rid of every liberal the world would be a better place.

Your right.

That is how it always works.

Like in DC.

DC always has conservative Republican Mayors.

Oh, wait...

Just did my 15 minutes of internet research and turns out I was right.

First, exhibit A:



Crime peaked in 1991, and only started to decline after 1996. What else happened in 1996? A Democratic candidate was Mayor of DC, his name was Marion Barry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Bar....931999.29

Except Marion Barry had all of his power removed by republican congress:

Quote:

Instead of implementing Barry's proposals, the newly Republican Congress (who had come to power on promises of decreasing federal spending) placed several city operations into receivership and created the District of Columbia Financial Control Board to assume complete authority over the city's day-to-day spending and finances, including overrule of the mayor's fiscal decisions.[78]

The next two years were dominated by budgetary and policy battles between Barry and the Control Board — along with Chief Financial Officer Anthony A. Williams — for power over the District of Columbia's operation. The conflict was ultimately settled when in 1997 the Clinton Administration and Senator Lauch Faircloth agreed on legislation that rescued the city from its financial crisis but stripped Barry of all authority (including hiring and firing) over nine District agencies, making them directly answerable to the Control Board. Barry was left with control of only the Department of Parks and Recreation, the public libraries, and the Board of Tourism, as well as the ceremonial trappings of his office — a condition he characterized “a rape of democracy.”

So, in other words, even though technically there was a democratic mayor, the republicans took over via unconstitutional measures in 1996, solidified their rule in 1997, and issued the crackdown on crime. Then the gentrification began.

Same song and tune as NYC. Conservatives create, liberals destroy.

[speakeasy]

Samseau, the decline in crime was not limited to DC and NYC, it was a nationwide phenomena. So if you want to understand what brought about this change, we need to look at it from macro perspective. Marion Barry does not explain what caused crime to plunge in Los Angeles as well during the same era. It continues to fall even now out here. There was even a report a few weeks ago that L.A. went for 9 days without a single murder. Which is impressive for any city with over 10 million people.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-14-2013 04:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Samseau, the decline in crime was not limited to DC and NYC, it was a nationwide phenomena. So if you want to understand what brought about this change, we need to look at it from macro perspective. Marion Barry does not explain what caused crime to plunge in Los Angeles as well during the same era. It continues to fall even now out here. There was even a report a few weeks ago that L.A. went for 9 days without a single murder. Which is impressive for any city with over 10 million people.

Not to mention DC really started to change under:

Anthony A. Williams, January 2, 1999 – January 2, 2007

Democrat.

So yeah, that whole "Right-wingers were elected to deal with crime" thing falls flat.

[j r]

These days conservatives are just as likely to practice political correctness and identity politics as progressives. The only difference is that progressives cater to women and minorities and conservatives cater to angry white guys. I'm not sure why anyone who considers themselves red pill would want to be on either side.

[It_is_my_time]

(11-14-2013 04:38 PM)j r Wrote:  

These days conservatives are just as likely to practice political correctness and identity politics as progressives. The only difference is that progressives cater to women and minorities and conservatives cater to angry white guys. I'm not sure why anyone who considers themselves red pill would want to be on either side.

There is a HUGE difference in conservative red pill and Republican party.

[It_is_my_time]

(11-14-2013 04:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:31 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Samseau, the decline in crime was not limited to DC and NYC, it was a nationwide phenomena. So if you want to understand what brought about this change, we need to look at it from macro perspective. Marion Barry does not explain what caused crime to plunge in Los Angeles as well during the same era. It continues to fall even now out here. There was even a report a few weeks ago that L.A. went for 9 days without a single murder. Which is impressive for any city with over 10 million people.

Not to mention DC really started to change under:

Anthony A. Williams, January 2, 1999 – January 2, 2007

Democrat.

So yeah, that whole "Right-wingers were elected to deal with crime" thing falls flat.

Yea, because having Democrats in charge and passing laws that discriminate against men and kick dad's out of the house isn't a primary reason for crime and poverty.

Those big brother govt. programs that destroy men are just "great" for everyone.

[NY Digital]

Quote:

conservatives cater to angry white guys

Besides the ridiculousness of that statement, I didn't know Conservatives were a Party. This is news to me.

[Screwston]

Ill be moving to Maine soon. A forum member said its a white utopia with no one darker than that albino Powder.

[Sumanguru]

Yay! More of the manosphere lecturing me about how I--as a black male--am a failure and an awful human being and a discredit to the human race who needs to pull millions of his fellow black people up by their bootstraps and get their shit in shape! Awesome! Now I just need Roissy to come in and talk about my low IQ and this manosphere party will be complete!

[PhilE]

I've said this before but Trayvon Martin paid for the sins of perception by the aggregate of events like this. People celebrate black youth death, as seen in the Trayvon costumes as well as the general comments on his death, but that's because they transfer the degenerative characteristics displayed by these kids onto ALL kids of the same hue, and attire.



And as you can see in this Facebook comment...people are connecting "Trayvon" to these youths...as to say "you see there, this is what Trayvon represents...and if we can't kill those exact youths, we can at least kill their representation"

But Trayvon wasn't killed for hitting people, he wasn't supsended from school for being violent, he may of smoked weed (like a lot of forum members probably) but his main crime is LOOKING like, or better yet, REPRESENTING the youth above. This event may not have happened, but there are countless events that are crime related with the main culprit being "young black male"

Us as progressives try to separate events like these from Trayvon Martin but they can't be....because people from other cultures see Trayvon in these youths and say "whats the difference?". Zimmerman was found not guilty because of events like this. Do you think Zimmerman would of been found not guilty if he killed an Asian/White kid who attempted to run first to allude his stalker and then decided to fight back and then was murdered for winning the fight? No...because in those cases the White/Asian kid is not carrying the entire stereotype of out of control and dangerous youth with them, like Trayvon did.

And this event will sit in the subconscious mind of America until another Trayvon like event happens just for it to be justified with this memory.

SpeakEasy I agree with everything you said....but Scorpion is right...until leaders of note (which unfortunately include fucktards like Sharpton and Jackson) stand up against these events and other events like black on black crime then his responses will have validity to most of America, whether he's correct or not in his assessment....they find validity in his sentiment.

But events like this knockout game hurt us all, because WE as young black men pay the price socially for their actions... Because authority figures see this as a cultural problem & just sharing the same color as them immediately makes you guilty because it's our culture that bred this behavior somehow.

I know this when I see videos like this:

That us as black men will continue to pay for the sins of others.

[CaliforniaSupreme]

God, how did we go from a punching game to a racist stereotype argument?
It'd be nice if these threads didn't always change course like this.

[la_mode]

The US has never really progressed with race relations. There have been efforts to redress the past and civil rights of course. At baseline, there's always been tension between black/white on a macroscopic scale. Trayvon Martin proved that. Even with Obama as president, during the Zimmerman trial the US looked like it had reverted back to Jim Crowe days in terms of public opinion. Same with OJ.

You instantly knew where most blacks stood, and most whites stood.

Zimmerman wasn't even full white and looked obviously Hispanic (but Hispanic via his mother's side). If his name was Hernandez this never would have gone beyond regional news.

[teh_skeeze]

(11-14-2013 09:26 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

But Trayvon wasn't killed for hitting people, he wasn't supsended from school for being violent.

You didn't pay attention to Zimmerman's side of the story did you? I will grant you that Trayvon wasn't around to give his side of the story, but do you really think that Zimmerman stalked the kid and shot him down in cold blood?

[BLarsen]

(11-14-2013 09:16 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

Yay! More of the manosphere lecturing me about how I--as a black male--am a failure and an awful human being and a discredit to the human race who needs to pull millions of his fellow black people up by their bootstraps and get their shit in shape! Awesome! Now I just need Roissy to come in and talk about my low IQ and this manosphere party will be complete!

Shhh! They don't like it when you make too much sense. Just give them a big toothy grin and answer "Yes boss!" We need to know "our place", which is dancing on their stages and playing ball on their fields.

Seriously though...I suggest to every black forum poster here to make liberal use of the "ignore" feature. WE know we are not like them (the knockout dummies). WE have no responsibility to defend ourselves for something we aren't a part of. We are not going to change the minds of the Roissy-types here. Fuck 'em.

[PhilE]

(11-14-2013 10:14 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 09:26 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

But Trayvon wasn't killed for hitting people, he wasn't supsended from school for being violent.

You didn't pay attention to Zimmerman's side of the story did you? I will grant you that Trayvon wasn't around to give his side of the story, but do you really think that Zimmerman stalked the kid and shot him down in cold blood?

I believe that he ASSUMED something, pursued someone on this wrong assumption, was told to not pursue but did anyway, and when he was hit (for following a stranger in the night) he started to loose a fight...and as a result shot someone. So no it wasn't in cold blood...but it wasn't in self defense either. Trayvon died as a result of assumptions that were made about him that are consciously corroborated with stories like the one above and his shooter was found not guilty because of the same stories.

[Cattle Rustler]

Speakeasy :you shouldn't have to apologize. This thread turned into a race threads way before you posted your thoughts.

Also, when will "it is my time " start posting something with value to RVF? All he has posted are comments on political and race threads.

[teh_skeeze]

(11-14-2013 10:35 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 10:14 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 09:26 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

But Trayvon wasn't killed for hitting people, he wasn't supsended from school for being violent.

You didn't pay attention to Zimmerman's side of the story did you? I will grant you that Trayvon wasn't around to give his side of the story, but do you really think that Zimmerman stalked the kid and shot him down in cold blood?

I believe that he ASSUMED something, pursued someone on this wrong assumption, was told to not pursue but did anyway, and when he was hit (for following a stranger in the night) he started to loose a fight...and as a result shot someone. So no it wasn't in cold blood...but it wasn't in self defense either. Trayvon died as a result of assumptions that were made about him that are consciously corroborated with stories like the one above and his shooter was found not guilty because of the same stories.

I agree with you on the bolded part. When I first heard of the story I said he was guilty of manslaughter, but not murder. What I will say is that when I was in Miami, the one thing I was told by the OGs is that I don't need to worry about them, but I should watch my back around the young kids. When you look at the violent crime, it's mostly them that are involved. They are out to prove that they are hard. Trayvon could have just as easily kept walking instead of attacking Zimmerman.

This is the last post I will make on the subject, as I don't want to derail the thread, even though it has devolved into a race thread.

[kazushu]

(11-13-2013 05:59 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Back in the UK many years ago there was a fad called "Happy Slapping" - Kids were running around slapping people. In some cases, punching people. I think they were mainly white kids. I know there is a difference between slapping and knocking someone out.

What is going to be funny (in a twisted way) is if white teens want to try this trend and see how many of them get hurt trying. I heard once that the biggest buyer of rap music is white males. Could just be a rumor. But the wannabes will really get hurt.

In the wise words of Forest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/2...bilephones

Quote:

In one video clip, labelled Bitch Slap, a youth approaches a woman at a bus stop and punches her in the face. In another, Knockout Punch, a group of boys wearing uniforms are shown leading another boy across an unidentified school playground before flooring him with a single blow to the head.
In a third, Bank Job, a teenager is seen assaulting a hole-in-the-wall customer while another youth grabs the money he has just withdrawn from the cash machine.

Welcome to the disturbing world of the "happy slappers" - a youth craze in which groups of teenagers armed with camera phones slap or mug unsuspecting children or passersby while capturing the attacks on 3g technology.

According to police and anti-bullying organisations, the fad, which began as a craze on the UK garage music scene before catching on in school playgrounds across the capital last autumn, is now a nationwide phenomenon.

And as the craze has spread from London to the home counties to the north of England, so the attacks have become more menacing, with increasing numbers of violent assaults and adult victims.

In London, British Transport police have investigated 200 happy slapping incidents in the past six months, with eight people charged with attacks at south London stations and bus stops in January alone.

The Metropolitan police have no overall figures but recorded a number of attacks in London boroughs earlier this year.

Following a spate of random attacks last December on pupils at Godolphin and Latymer girls' school in Hammersmith, west London, police posted extra officers in the area as a deterrent.

But as police have become more vigilant, so the gangs have become more sophisticated, seeking victims in parks or public areas where their crimes are unlikely to be spotted by the authorities or captured on CCTV.

Liz Carnell, the director of Bullying Online, a Yorkshire-based charity set up to combat bullying in schools, said that since the start of the year she has heard of increasing attacks both on children and on adults. But she fears many incidents are not reported.

"In most cases the worst that happens is a minor scratch or a bruised ego," she said.

"What the people behind these attacks have to understand is that technically they are committing an assault. And if they then upload the images on to the internet or a phone system they could be prosecuted for harassment."

What makes the attacks all the more bewildering is that many victims do not realise they have been happy slapped until after the event.

Earlier this month James Silver, 34, a freelance journalist, was attacked while jogging on the South Bank in London. While one youth blocked his path, another hit him with a rolled-up magazine.

When he spun around another teenager - who had been hiding behind nearby scaffolding - leapt out and hit him hard in the head. When he staggered to his feet he noticed the rest of the gang were jeering and pointing their mobile phones at him.

Silver admits that while the attack left his "ego smarting" he did not think it worth reporting. "At the end of the day I was unharmed but it was pretty shocking at the time," he said. "The worry is that while the bulk of the attacks are trivial, some of these youths could be carrying knives."

Earlier this year, schools in Lewisham, south London, and St Albans banned camera phones because of worries that the fad was leading to an increase in playground bullying.

In a comment recently posted on a London community web forum, "Happyslapper2" described the craze as a "joke", writing: "If you feel bored wen ur about an u got a video phone den bitch slap sum norman, innit."

However, in a sign of a gathering backlash, other forum members disagreed. "It's hardly a joke ... it's fuckin rude and pea-brained," wrote "slappersidiots".

"If this happy slapping fad continues it will only be a matter of time before someone is seriously hurt," predicted another.

I remember this happy slapping idiocy. Especially when they decided to go at this boxer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cICRqHlFhss