[Arg expert]

(11-13-2013 05:12 PM)soup Wrote:  

These kids are pussies.

Oh, 'kids' and 'pussies' is what you call them? I would call them : Violent and dangerous racist people.

[Arg expert]

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Except the power structure says you're not allowed to notice this, cause then you're raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs.

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

As for myself I am maybe a 'rightwinger', 'but' I have African friends, and have traveled, happily, to Africa. Several times been to Africa, no problem, people have been cool with me there.

Now, my Leftist-Feminist White colleagues, on the other hand, have no Black friend, and none of them ever travels to Africa. Still, they give advice aloud and on internet forums too, about how to be "progressive-liberal". Strange. They are "Liberal unracist" but from the safety of their wealthy-white-neighbourhood home.

[J.J.]

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Arg expert Wrote:  

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

They do. It's called Gentrification. They moved in and took over DC and Brooklyn.

[InternationPlayboy]

As far as blaming unemployment in the black community being the problem for the violence, that's no ones fault but their own. The reason they are unemployed is because they choose to be. If you make an honest effort to find a job, you'll find one. This is America for Christ sakes, not Somalia. Even if you have to work at mcdonalds for a few months until you find something better, so be it. Saying they have no prospects is a sorry excuse. I used to work with tons of African American cats from the hood, and they made good money. Shit, you can go be a server at a decent restaurant and make at least $100 a night. You can't sit here and tell me their only option is to make $10 an hour when we all know it's just not true. If they are making $10 an hour it's because they are choosing to make $10 an hour. If there's nothing in their neighborhood, too damn bad, ride the bus an hour to work until you can afford to move your ass out of the hood, it's as simple as that. I have no college degree, yet I made over $60k last year. How'd i do it? I worked my ass off. I went out and found a job that didn't even pay good at first to get me on my feet, then on my days off I'd walk 50 blocks in the grueling heat of Miami to find a better job. After that, I found a job I liked that paid well, and even went and found another part time job. At that point I was making $1-2k a week. There's no excuse, if you want money in America, you can find it without having to turn to violence. And I know someone may be thinking "well it was easier for you because you were white." But that's bullshit, because 1/4 of the cats I worked with were black, and many of them were from the hood.

[R Smoov]

Its worse in Philly.

When I was in highschool. There was a large group of teens doing "flash mob" style raids in malls. They would go around and steal from stores and trample people in the process.

Now I know I say nigga more than Riley Freeman, blast Chief Keef and Lil B, and smoke Newports time through time. But shit like this makes me want to be more than that. Something more positive.

This whole thing should just give everyone a reason to hustle and find themselves out of whatever bad situation they are in.

[Norset]

Please, don't make this a race issue. It really is not. It's about financial incentives shaping family structure. The illegal immigrant argument is true but not (yet) so important that it prevents young men from finding employment. If they try.

This thread is really about "what happened to the black nuclear family?" Boys with a father, with a real job, hardly act out like this. And all that has been said on that has been covered by our expert on this topic has (perhaps wisely) decided to be quiet in this discussion. So I will link this masterpiece of social anthropology:

http://www.returnofkings.com/2090/how-bl...our-future

So what is the root of this decay? A socialist system in place in a wealthy country, making government handouts for the underclass surpassing what they can gain by (legal) labor. And a large portion of the underclass happens to be black.

[InternationPlayboy]

Deleted, the video I posted wasn't how I remembered it.

[speakeasy]

(11-14-2013 03:37 AM)Norset Wrote:  

A socialist system in place in a wealthy country, making government handouts for the underclass surpassing what they can gain by (legal) labor. And a large portion of the underclass happens to be black.

But does anyone seriously believe libertarian solutions such as gutting welfare are going to cause crime to drop? So let's say we ended section 8, housing projects, food stamps, subsidized school lunches and TANF. Is this really going to accomplish the goal of reducing violence? I have a really hard time visualizing that. I think the result would most likely make America go down the path of Brazil or Venezuela with shanty towns going up run by drug lords.

[Norset]

(11-14-2013 03:44 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:37 AM)Norset Wrote:  

A socialist system in place in a wealthy country, making government handouts for the underclass surpassing what they can gain by (legal) labor. And a large portion of the underclass happens to be black.

But does anyone seriously believe libertarian solutions such as gutting welfare are going to cause crime to drop? So let's say we ended section 8, housing projects, food stamps, subsidized school lunches and TANF. Is this really going to accomplish the goal of reducing violence? I have a really hard time visualizing that.

No, cutting it off flat it would make it far, far worse. We are too deep in the hole now.

A very slow decrease, especially to handouts related to single mothers, is the only solution I can think of. It should pay to work, and women should have financial incentive to marry and stay married.

[Samseau]

(11-14-2013 03:53 AM)Norset Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:44 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:37 AM)Norset Wrote:  

A socialist system in place in a wealthy country, making government handouts for the underclass surpassing what they can gain by (legal) labor. And a large portion of the underclass happens to be black.

But does anyone seriously believe libertarian solutions such as gutting welfare are going to cause crime to drop? So let's say we ended section 8, housing projects, food stamps, subsidized school lunches and TANF. Is this really going to accomplish the goal of reducing violence? I have a really hard time visualizing that.

No, cutting it off flat it would make it far, far worse. We are too deep in the hole now.

A very slow decrease, especially to handouts related to single mothers, is the only solution I can think of. It should pay to work, and women should have financial incentive to marry and stay married.

I say the entire welfare system needs to be restructured. I agree it cannot be gutted at this point.

Fathers should be given primary custody of their sons.
Mothers should be given primary custody of their daughters.
Child support should be awarded only if one parent has more custody of the children than the other.
Child support should never be more than 15% of a parent's paycheck, nor should anyone go to jail, and it should be dischargable in bankruptcy.

The simple problem is that boys are raised without their fathers, and this increases their likelihood of becoming criminals. Right now the current system incentivizes mothers to throw out the father whenever they feel like it because they will get custody and money from the state. Take away these incentives and then black boys will be more likely to grow up with a father.

[Samseau]

The reason we see black youths running around terrorizing people is because 70% of black youths grow up without a father. Of course many of these kids will be fucked up.

In a way, this is a tragedy. The original intention to support poor blacks by giving welfare to the mothers turned out to be a horrible idea that has backfired so badly millions of black men have had to be incarcerated.

These black criminals, in many ways, never had a chance because they were raised in the worst circumstances. The race of the man is irrelevant because anyone growing up in these circumstances, no matter their race, would be at an extremely high risk for disorder.

And yet, despite the tragic circumstances behind black crime, there is nothing to be done except throw them all in jail to rot because these men cannot fit in polite society. They grew up as damaged goods, and must be discarded.

And people wonder why I disagree with most liberals.

[InternationPlayboy]

So why are these fathers abandoning their children and why are the mothers kicking the fathers to the curb? How did these women get so greedy to be willing to ruin their families to have a little extra money? To be honest, most white kids I know have grown up without their fathers (at least in the sense that they weren't around much). It may be more prevalent amongst black males, but I think it's a big problem in America period regardless of race. Getting divorced is the norm these days. The family means nothing anymore in America. I can go through my Facebook and probably 75-80% of young parents on there are also single parents. It's kind of disgusting, and if I have kids I don't want him to be raised that way. That's part of the reason I don't think I'd be able to ever marry and American girl, among other reasons.

[It_is_my_time]

The breaking down of our culture. Growing govt. from feminism results in violence like this.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Except the power structure says you're not allowed to notice this, cause then you're raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs.

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

As for myself I am maybe a 'rightwinger', 'but' I have African friends, and have traveled, happily, to Africa. Several times been to Africa, no problem, people have been cool with me there.

Most retarded comment left on here.

Those are exactly the type of people that move into those neighborhoods.

Like JJ said, it's called "Gentrification".

Not sure how you missed that phenomenon.

(11-14-2013 02:46 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

And I know someone may be thinking "well it was easier for you because you were white." But that's bullshit, because 1/4 of the cats I worked with were black, and many of them were from the hood.

InternationPlayboy,

Yet you have gone on the forum and talked about how you got special treatment from cops in Miami, while your black friends would get harassed.

Do you really think it would be easier if you were black?

Update:

Ha. You wrote about it again today: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-30054-...#pid577963

------

You guys crack me the f*ck up on here.

You guys are worried about this sh*t?

While corporations and government rip up off and poison us every day?

Be pissed off, but not at this small time sh*t.

This is exactly what they want.

Us fighting each other.

[j r]

(11-14-2013 12:14 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 11:31 PM)j r Wrote:  

Does this mean that you take responsibility for every bad thing that a white person has ever done?

There is nothing honest about this comment. It's the perfect example of concern trolling. If you want to blame all black people for the actions of a small minority, then just come out and do it. Don't pretend to be concerned about backlash.

No. My white guilt is all tapped out, I'm afraid. I'm not going to apologize for what whites do today, or what they did a few hundred years ago.

I'm just going to say a couple of things and be out, because I have no desire to get into it on another race thread. Everything you wrote after the above sentence complete misses the point of what I said. And every time these topics come up, I notice that you get very emotional and drop one of these screeds. I'm not sure that you are capable of thinking logically and rationally on this topic.

To be logically consistent, you can have a world in which everyone is treated as a member of some tribe and held collectively responsible for what other members of that tribe do or you can have a world in which people are treated as individuals and only held responsible for the things that they do. You want to have it both ways though. You want to blame black people, as a group, for shit that a bunch of black kids in NJ are doing, but you get completely up in arms at the thought of being held responsible for things that other white people do. I believe the term we use here for that sort of cognitive dissonance is hamster logic.

Pick one: are we individuals or are we all members of some racial tribe?

Another thing, 99 times out of 100 that I hear someone use the words "that's racist," it's a either a liberal white person being offended for other groups or a conservative white person using it ironically to complain about some sense of white victimization. You complain about black people using the race card, without possessing the self-awareness to see that you're doing the same exact thing.

I guess that's the world we live in now. Everybody wants to be a victim and now white guys have joined the crowd, as well. I think the future will belong to Asians, because Asian-Americans are the only group of people that I don't see regularly complaining about some sense of perceived victimization.

[Samseau]

(11-14-2013 04:43 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

So why are these fathers abandoning their children and why are the mothers kicking the fathers to the curb? How did these women get so greedy to be willing to ruin their families to have a little extra money? To be honest, most white kids I know have grown up without their fathers (at least in the sense that they weren't around much). It may be more prevalent amongst black males, but I think it's a big problem in America period regardless of race. Getting divorced is the norm these days. The family means nothing anymore in America. I can go through my Facebook and probably 75-80% of young parents on there are also single parents. It's kind of disgusting, and if I have kids I don't want him to be raised that way. That's part of the reason I don't think I'd be able to ever marry and American girl, among other reasons.

I can think of two reasons.

1. The first is that divorced fathers from white families are not as estranged as they might be with black families. Remember, the statistic says 70% of children are born out of wedlock in black communities. That means the identity of the father may not even be known in many of these cases.

Many white children (myself included) come from a divorced home, but our parents were at least married initially. At the very least during our early childhood years there was a stable father to raise us and form an impression of. But for kids who barely see their father once or twice a month while they are only 1-3 years old will skew their development considerably.

2. The second is that white boys are more closely monitored in schools so if they start to misbehave they are quickly riddled with drugs and/or the countless social programs which try to raise and brainwash children (such as Juvenile detention centers). Black boys, from a poor inner city, by contrast, go to less funded schools that have worse control of their students. In poorly run schools, students run the show, which is what happens at many black schools from poor areas (as most, if not all, of the problem blacks come from poor areas).

[Kingsley Davis]

[Arg expert]

(11-14-2013 06:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Except the power structure says you're not allowed to notice this, cause then you're raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs.

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

As for myself I am maybe a 'rightwinger', 'but' I have African friends, and have traveled, happily, to Africa. Several times been to Africa, no problem, people have been cool with me there.

Most retarded comment left on here.

Those are exactly the type of people that move into those neighborhoods.

Like JJ said, it's called "Gentrification".

Not sure how you missed that phenomenon.

JJ and Gmanifesto,

I kinda missed that phenomenon, because I am European.

In Europe, White "Liberal-leftist-feminist" people talk all the time about being 'unracist and progressive' , BUT, you never see them in Black neighbourhoods, and they would NEVER put their (spoiled) kids in mainly-Black schools. Actually they do not take the subway, usually, either. They use their cars, the cowards. And lecture you on 'not being afraid of Black muggers in the subway'...

But you know, I also used to live in Toronto. Don't remember seeing wealthy 'liberal' White people in my partly-Black neighbourhood, in Toronto... they would have been terrified to live in my building.

So, I dunno about the USA, but what I said is totally true in Europe and Canada.

[It_is_my_time]

(11-14-2013 12:00 PM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 06:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Arg expert Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Except the power structure says you're not allowed to notice this, cause then you're raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs.

and I bet that people who here on this forum, play the outraged 'Liberals', don't go downtown either. Like, never.

They don't put their feet where their mouths are.

I mean, if they are so 'Liberal', these 'progressive Whites', why don't we see them buying a house in Detroit or downtown St Louis?

As for myself I am maybe a 'rightwinger', 'but' I have African friends, and have traveled, happily, to Africa. Several times been to Africa, no problem, people have been cool with me there.

Most retarded comment left on here.

Those are exactly the type of people that move into those neighborhoods.

Like JJ said, it's called "Gentrification".

Not sure how you missed that phenomenon.

JJ and Gmanifesto,

I kinda missed that phenomenon, because I am European.

In Europe, White "Liberal-leftist-feminist" people talk all the time about being 'unracist and progressive' , BUT, you never see them in Black neighbourhoods, and they would NEVER put their (spoiled) kids in mainly-Black schools. Actually they do not take the subway, usually, either. They use their cars, the cowards. And lecture you on 'not being afraid of Black muggers in the subway'...

But you know, I also used to live in Toronto. Don't remember seeing wealthy 'liberal' White people in my partly-Black neighbourhood, in Toronto... they would have been terrified to live in my building.

So, I dunno about the USA, but what I said is totally true in Europe and Canada.

Most the ones in the USA are moving back into these areas. But only once they are cleaned up and they have gated/armed security at their places.

So they may live a few blocks from the bad area they profess to love, but in reality they are a world apart.

[scorpion]

(11-14-2013 07:01 AM)j r Wrote:  

I'm just going to say a couple of things and be out, because I have no desire to get into it on another race thread. Everything you wrote after the above sentence complete misses the point of what I said. And every time these topics come up, I notice that you get very emotional and drop one of these screeds. I'm not sure that you are capable of thinking logically and rationally on this topic.

To be logically consistent, you can have a world in which everyone is treated as a member of some tribe and held collectively responsible for what other members of that tribe do or you can have a world in which people are treated as individuals and only held responsible for the things that they do. You want to have it both ways though. You want to blame black people, as a group, for shit that a bunch of black kids in NJ are doing, but you get completely up in arms at the thought of being held responsible for things that other white people do. I believe the term we use here for that sort of cognitive dissonance is hamster logic.

Pick one: are we individuals or are we all members of some racial tribe?

Another thing, 99 times out of 100 that I hear someone use the words "that's racist," it's a either a liberal white person being offended for other groups or a conservative white person using it ironically to complain about some sense of white victimization. You complain about black people using the race card, without possessing the self-awareness to see that you're doing the same exact thing.

I guess that's the world we live in now. Everybody wants to be a victim and now white guys have joined the crowd, as well. I think the future will belong to Asians, because Asian-Americans are the only group of people that I don't see regularly complaining about some sense of perceived victimization.

You completely missed the point of my post. Dismissing it as an "emotional screed" or hamster logic is a cop out.

In a nutshell, my point was this: the black community has a terrible problem with violence from its young men. This is indisputable. I'm not saying that it's the fault of all blacks, but I am saying it's their problem. It would be sort of like if there was a sub-set of posters on the RVF who kept posting shit about kiddy porn, and for some reason we just ignored it. Well, guess what? Eventually, everyone who posted here would be viewed as guilty by association, and rightfully so. If a group of people tolerates something for a certain amount of time, then at some point they're giving it tacit approval. And that's exactly what's going on in the black community now with the issue of street violence.

When black leaders and the black community are quick to play the victim, but never seem to address the epidemic of black violence on the streets, there's a serious problem.

And you may not think that the actions of other young, black men should affect all black people, because we're individuals and not tribes. But that's the world of idealism. Let's get back to reality here. We're all judged as members of the groups to which we belong, race inclusive. That's just life, no way around it. And only blacks can fix their own internal problems. As a white guy, I can't walk into a black church and start talking about these things. But a black man could.

Also, it's a complete farce to pretend like this sort of thing is isolated to a rogue group of young blacks in NJ. You know as well as I that black violence of this type is an everyday occurrence in every major city with a large black population.

And the black community's reaction to it? The silence is deafening.

[Giovonny]

Black kids punch random people on the street.

White kids shoot random people at school.

Everyone is capable of violence

The Connectitcut school shooter = white

The guys shooting in the hood last night = black

The Virginia Tech shooter = asian

The violence on the border = latin

They are all crazy!

[ChocolateCockOfZeus]

[j r]

The idea that black people dont care about crime in black neighborhoods is absolutely fucking stupid. Whenever anyone says it, I immediately know that person knows next to nothing about actual black people and gets all their information from cable news and idiotic web sites.

Just read what the black dudes on this forum have to say. How many of us are excusing the little shitheads in this post?

[It_is_my_time]

(11-14-2013 03:17 PM)j r Wrote:  

The idea that black people dont care about crime in black neighborhoods is absolutely fucking stupid. Whenever anyone says it, I immediately know that person knows next to nothing about actual black people and gets all their information from cable news and idiotic web sites.

Just read what the black dudes on this forum have to say. How many of us are excusing the little shitheads in this post?

But you have defended voting for Liberals, who increase govt, which in turns kicks dads out of the house, which in turn leads to more and more crime and poverty.

[speakeasy]

(11-14-2013 12:59 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

It would be sort of like if there was a sub-set of posters on the RVF who kept posting shit about kiddy porn, and for some reason we just ignored it. Well, guess what? Eventually, everyone who posted here would be viewed as guilty by association, and rightfully so.

Bad analogy. If people were posting porn here, we could easily have them banned with the click of a button and their porn deleted. As a black man, I have no power to stop these knockout guys than you have to stop the guy the guy that committed the Newtown massascre or Boston bombing. There's nothing I can realistically expect whites "as a whole" to do about the epidemic of crazy random massacres by white males. The fact is, nobody really knows what to do other than calls for gun control and a teary eyed statement from the president. Nobody has put forth any plan that will address this and prevent it. Nobody has any real idea what to do about it. That you see this happening amongst whites in America yet not whites in Germany may mean that something is awry with white American culture. But what will you, Scorpion do about this? Other than controlling your own personal behavior, there's not much you can do to prevent the next crazy white guy from shooting up a playground. I think that's how many of the black people in here feel about inner-city violence.

Quote:

If a group of people tolerates something for a certain amount of time, then at some point they're giving it tacit approval. And that's exactly what's going on in the black community now with the issue of street violence.

And what about black people who don't live in the hood. Are we also responsible for their behavior? You realize that most of us don't live there, right?

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When black leaders and the black community are quick to play the victim, but never seem to address the epidemic of black violence on the streets, there's a serious problem.

That's a fair point.

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And you may not think that the actions of other young, black men should affect all black people, because we're individuals and not tribes. But that's the world of idealism. Let's get back to reality here. We're all judged as members of the groups to which we belong, race inclusive.

All I can say Scorpion is that painting all black males with the brush of crime is analogous to blacks painting all whites as racists because of the actions of a minority of hard-core white racists. You would get angry if a minority assumed you were racist because you are white. Similarly, would get upset if someone implied that I deserve some collective guilt because of the actions of thugs that happen to share my skin color and nothing else.

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Also, it's a complete farce to pretend like this sort of thing is isolated to a rogue group of young blacks in NJ. You know as well as I that black violence of this type is an everyday occurrence in every major city with a large black population.

We were talking specifically about this knockout game, which was the topic of this thread.

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And the black community's reaction to it? The silence is deafening.

Honestly, I don't think most black people have even heard of this knockout game. I never did until it was posted in here.