[GLethal85]

Would appreciate input on this one...

Backdrop:

Met this girl online, we went to the movies but she left half way though with a 'headache' (lol hows that for a 'flake'?). Same day message/date which occured on Wednesday. Radio silence since then. It's monday at 3:00 PM and I text....


ME: Hey how was your weekend?

Her: It went ok. and my weekend wasn't all that great I came down with a really bad cold, how about yours?

ME: Yikes sorry to hear, my wknd was fun.. i got a ghostbusters costume to go out with, lol

Her: Haha

ME: You take some nyquil and feel better?

Her: I try not to usually take any medicine

ME: Thats part of y i do yoga. It would be nice to never have to see a doctor, I think pills cause problems

Her: I don't think pills cause problems, but i definitely think that the side effects arent so pleasant or desirable

ME: Yeah like an erection lasting longer than 4 hours that's gotta suck.

Her: ...That is a very different thing to say
Her: I was thinking more like lethargy, insomnia, irritability.. ones that would affect me as a female

ME: Lol oops i'm a little closed minded sometimes.
ME: And I'm not sure what the female equivalent to a 4 hour erection is

Her: I'm a little creeped out and dont' like people talking about inappropriate things like that as it's an extreme gesture of immaturity.

ME: It was meant to be a joke

Her: It's not all that humorous

ME: Sorry. I'm acting like we've known eachother longer.


This chick is 24, white and comes from rich family. She works with retarded kids during the day and is persuing med school (ugh). Longest relationship was '5 years'. Greeted me on our date with a handshake. She's looks good and is skinny but lacks feminine appeal. I suspected her to be a typical upper class white girl ADHD-pill case.

What do you guys think? I regret my last text already. I can already tell shes mad cold and i think shes only responding cuz she doesn't mind the attention but has no intention of getting together or hooking up.

Thoughts, ideas would be nice.

[NYJ]

The 4 hour erection joke was pushing it too far too soon. I would chill for a few days then hit her up again.

[GLethal85]

(10-28-2013 03:20 PM)NYJ Wrote:  

The 4 hour erection joke was pushing it too far too soon. I would chill for a few days then hit her up again.

Yeah it mighta pushed it too far too soon. My reason for throwing it in there was to build some kind of sexual tension.

In the past I would've kept going on with politically correct topics and get ignored/friendzoned.

I took a risk and it failed.

If this was The Sims there would be a "-10" floating above both our heads.

[Christian McQueen]

@GLethal85:

Eject. She left halfway through a movie with you because she had a 'headache'?

Hell to the no. Dude come on...go meet 5 new girls and delete her number.

[Feo]

Good thread.. here's my contribution:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-29308.html

[GLethal85]

(10-28-2013 03:46 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

@GLethal85:

Eject. She left halfway through a movie with you because she had a 'headache'?

Hell to the no. Dude come on...go meet 5 new girls and delete her number.

Thank you this is what I needed to hear.

There is no text that will save me I was dead on arrival.

[CJ]

This isn't exactly what I meant this thread for, but I want to do a quick text by text analysis for you.

Quote:

Met this girl online, we went to the movies but she left half way though with a 'headache' (lol hows that for a 'flake'?). Same day message/date which occured on Wednesday. Radio silence since then. It's monday at 3:00 PM and I text....

As mentioned before that's ridiculous, I'd have been done right there.

Quote:

ME: Hey how was your weekend?
Her: It went ok. and my weekend wasn't all that great I came down with a really bad cold, how about yours?

An acceptable restart... and she shows interest.

Quote:

ME: Yikes sorry to hear, my wknd was fun.. i got a ghostbusters costume to go out with, lol
Her: Haha
ME: You take some nyquil and feel better?
Her: I try not to usually take any medicine

I don't respond to crap like "lol/haha" or any other one word answers. You're also asking more questions, that's not the best idea when texting.

Quote:

ME: Thats part of y i do yoga. It would be nice to never have to see a doctor, I think pills cause problems
Her: I don't think pills cause problems, but i definitely think that the side effects arent so pleasant or desirable

At this point I feel like she's texting you just because she's bored. She's certainly not giving you much to work with.

Quote:

ME: Yeah like an erection lasting longer than 4 hours that's gotta suck.

LMAO, see now this is great. I know some other posters didn't like it, but she's obviously wasting your time, so why not shift it in this direction? See if something sexual works for her.

Quote:

Her: ...That is a very different thing to say
Her: I was thinking more like lethargy, insomnia, irritability.. ones that would affect me as a female
ME: Lol oops i'm a little closed minded sometimes.
ME: And I'm not sure what the female equivalent to a 4 hour erection is
Her: I'm a little creeped out and dont' like people talking about inappropriate things like that as it's an extreme gesture of immaturity.
ME: It was meant to be a joke
Her: It's not all that humorous
ME: Sorry. I'm acting like we've known eachother longer.

So, the biggest mistake wasn't sending the joke, but apologizing for it. This gave her the chance to continue to berate you, while you're on the defensive big time. Clearly the joke didn't go over well, and here's why...

Quote:

This chick is 24, white and comes from rich family. She works with retarded kids during the day and is persuing med school (ugh). Longest relationship was '5 years'. Greeted me on our date with a handshake.

You've got to read the girl before texting her anything, if there had been no sort of sexual conversation or at least touching beyond a freaking handshake in person, what made you think she'd response well to that sort of text?

Anyway, I think the text was hilarious, but just ill-timed, well sort of... because you probably weren't banging this one anytime soon anyway, and it's best you just cut bait. Although, it'd be hilarious if you sent another restart text and she responded, solely because she's bored/likes the attention, only for you to text her about erections again.

[GLethal85]

CJ, Thank you for an awesome breakdown with great explanations. You see how I had to just throw the 4 hour erection joke out there right?

I typed the text expecting a 70% chance of failure. However, not typing that joke would've been a 100% failure. I didn't want this to get boring and friendly which is where it was heading FAST. I had to see where I stood in her eyes sexually before friendzoning myself.

I absolutely do regret explaining that it was a joke and then apologizing. I should have parlayed it into something even more funny or offensive.

Glad you thought it was funny. I deleted her number so there will be no restart texts.

[NYJ]

(10-28-2013 03:46 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

@GLethal85:

Eject. She left halfway through a movie with you because she had a 'headache'?

Hell to the no. Dude come on...go meet 5 new girls and delete her number.

Just looked over the post again and missed that part. If a chick did that to me I would had deleted the number right on the spot. Brah move on and don't waste any further time.

Oh and btw I thought the joke was hillarious, just ill timed like CJ said. Good on you for giving it a shot though bub. There isn't a one size fit all solution to any one girl. You can't knock one out of the park without taking a swing.

[Therapsid]

It's funny how a sexual joke becomes offensive when the girl doesn't like you.

The same joke from a guy she's banging and she'd reply back with lots of LOL's and wink faces.

This is why sexual harassment laws will always at some level be a form of persecution of beta males.

[casio]

Text convo on OKC - we'll see where this goes:

Me: How crazy would you rate yourself? In a good way, offcourse.
Her: 1 out of 10 = 11
Me: Then you've got my attention
Her: You should know crazy girls are no good for you. I am sure you were warned in the past.
So consider this my warning
Me: Who said I was good for crazy girls...
Her: touché
Me: So, crazy as you might be - you must have a picture of yourself online somewhere.
Be warned though, I don't want a normal picture - but one that shows the 11'ness.
Her: That's the thing: I look pretty normal on my photos. Pretty boring stuff
Me: Ok, i'm willing to except that, but I'd at least have to see you before we meet on monday, right?
Her: Monday? Have you messaged the wrong person, sir?
Me: No, just being bold
Her: ahaha bonus point. Your profile says you live in XXXXXXXXXXXXX. Would you find your way to YYYYYYYY?
Me: I've been there a few times... Like.. 100x
Her: So I am sure you would manage. All right, bed time. Good night!

-- 2 days later, got no further replies so I reengage:

Me: You're a long sleeper.
Her: I am a strong believer in hibernation during winter time
Me: But you'll sleep through all the fun!
Her: You have a YOLO/FOMO approach to life, I can tell
Me: Indeed.
Her: I feel like i already know everyrhing i need to know about you.
Her: Unless you can surprise me

-- I don't reply for 2 days

Me: i like turtles



Anything I should've done different to get a better response out of her?

[GLethal85]

@ TimDV

She is wasting your time. shes only entertaining you cuz she's bored at work.

The fact that your messaging her w/o a photo is a DLV in itself. Y are you messaging girls who have no photos?

Cut losses. Even the restarts are getting unenthusiasm from her. I think she can tell what you're trying to do and she's just using you cuz shes bored

[casio]

(10-29-2013 10:16 AM)GLethal85 Wrote:  

The fact that your messaging her w/o a photo is a DLV in itself. Y are you messaging girls who have no photos?

They usally get messaged a lot less. I've had a few success stories from girls without pictures on OKC who were actually quite cute.

[little wing]

(10-28-2013 03:13 PM)GLethal85 Wrote:  

Would appreciate input on this one...

Backdrop:

Met this girl online, we went to the movies but she left half way though with a 'headache' (lol hows that for a 'flake'?). Same day message/date which occured on Wednesday. Radio silence since then. It's monday at 3:00 PM and I text....


ME: Hey how was your weekend?

Her: It went ok. and my weekend wasn't all that great I came down with a really bad cold, how about yours?

ME: Yikes sorry to hear, my wknd was fun.. i got a ghostbusters costume to go out with, lol

Her: Haha

ME: You take some nyquil and feel better?

Her: I try not to usually take any medicine

ME: Thats part of y i do yoga. It would be nice to never have to see a doctor, I think pills cause problems

Her: I don't think pills cause problems, but i definitely think that the side effects arent so pleasant or desirable

ME: Yeah like an erection lasting longer than 4 hours that's gotta suck.

Her: ...That is a very different thing to say
Her: I was thinking more like lethargy, insomnia, irritability.. ones that would affect me as a female

ME: Lol oops i'm a little closed minded sometimes.
ME: And I'm not sure what the female equivalent to a 4 hour erection is

Her: I'm a little creeped out and dont' like people talking about inappropriate things like that as it's an extreme gesture of immaturity.

ME: It was meant to be a joke

Her: It's not all that humorous

ME: Sorry. I'm acting like we've known eachother longer.


This chick is 24, white and comes from rich family. She works with retarded kids during the day and is persuing med school (ugh). Longest relationship was '5 years'. Greeted me on our date with a handshake. She's looks good and is skinny but lacks feminine appeal. I suspected her to be a typical upper class white girl ADHD-pill case.

What do you guys think? I regret my last text already. I can already tell shes mad cold and i think shes only responding cuz she doesn't mind the attention but has no intention of getting together or hooking up.

Thoughts, ideas would be nice.

NEVER apologize for what you say. Stand by what you said even if it is bullshit and she gets offended. If she doesn't like it she can message someone else

[Cattle Rustler]

So I got a number today, here's the story:

Quick recap: met a milf today at a school event, kid goes in the same grade as my sister. We agreed to go running tomorrow and she gave her number. An hour after she gave me her number I texted her.

Her stats: 40 but looks 26, works in sales, with kids, dunno if married or not, religious (goes to some church far away), bored during the day, fun.

Goals: 1- Restart our text conversation 2 - bail on her tomorrow in a nice way and set up a "run", "lunch" or something later on.

She's moving a few streets away on the weekend and my plan is to come by and "help".

I think I got "jiggy" to quickly and scared her.

Drop your input guys, thanks.

The texts were in spanish so I translated them to english.

Quote:

Me: Hey Laura, was a pleasure to meet you. Hopefully you'll get to eat lunch soon. Have you eaten? 2:07 PM

Laura: Hello, likewise. I haven't. Hard to believe it, isn't it? 2:11 PM

Me: Really? I thought you were gonna grab lunch after we departed. What food do you like? 2:23 PM

Laura: I didn't get a chance, I went to the office and am going to pick up the kids right now. 2:25 PM

Laura: I like everything. 2:26 PM

Me: What a coincidence, let's go eat one of these days. 2:37 PM

Me: I forgot to take a picture of you to add it with your number. 2:37 PM

[Christian McQueen]

@CR:

No no no. I couldn't tell if it was 2 chicks texting each other or you and her.

1. First off, it doesn't really matter what she likes to eat so that's an irrelevant question to ask her, plus it sounds needy. The fact that you asked her "if she had eaten yet", sounds like what a 18yo girl would text her 25yo bf because she has NOTHING going on with her day.

2. Too chatty. Texting women should consist of this and nothing more: Establish + Flirt + Logistics. That's it.

Example:

You: hey sexy it's Cattle Rustler the strikingly handsome 'bus driver' for my bratty sister

Her: lol hey you!

You: gotta run headed into the gym but let's grab lunch on (Fill in the blank day) at (fill in the blank time)

Her: Perfect, sounds good : )

You: (nothing)

3. Don't throw out weak lines like "someday we should", or "I forgot to get a pic for my phone of you".
There is no someday; you're a man so you're going to set up a time to hang out or you're not.

4. You don't need a pic of her. Did you forget what she looks like? Nonsense and juvenile. Once you bang her pussy, she'll be sending you naked pics FREELY of her own accord.

Cool it with this chick and after she responds (IF she does), then take a step back and be assertive, NON-needy and make sure you're not texting her back right away etc.

[Christian McQueen]

Lastly, to your credit at least you weren't texting her back right away according to the text times.

However, you could spread the texts out even longer.

[CJ]

Well, if you drop by to help and she IS married, things will certainly get interesting!

Short convo, here's my analysis:

Quote:

Me: Hey Laura, was a pleasure to meet you. Hopefully you'll get to eat lunch soon. Have you eaten? 2:07 PM

You shouldn't be texting her an hour after meeting her (for day game), as this conveys neediness. Plus I'm not a huge fan of saying so much here. Keep it simple/logistical in this particular case.

Quote:

Laura: Hello, likewise. I haven't. Hard to believe it, isn't it? 2:11 PM
Me: Really? I thought you were gonna grab lunch after we departed. What food do you like? 2:23 PM
Laura: I didn't get a chance, I went to the office and am going to pick up the kids right now. 2:25 PM
Laura: I like everything. 2:26 PM
Me: What a coincidence, let's go eat one of these days. 2:37 PM

OK, I see what you're doing here, and it's worth a try... but no dice and you're asking a shitload of questions. Don't ask what she likes, just take her somewhere! Preferably not for food, but for drinks at a night venue or at least happy hour.

Quote:

Me: I forgot to take a picture of you to add it with your number. 2:37 PM

Don't care much for this, sounds pervy. Might work for a bar chick, but not a move I'm pulling on someone I met during day game, nor someone that is 40.

Restart with a simple "What's up" or "How are you" and/or "How'd the move go?" Gauge how she responds, and proceed accordingly, if she comes off disinterested, text a non-question, but statement and see if she responds more thoroughly to that. If not, just wait a few more days and restart the process.

What we're looking for is enthusiasm, that's the best time to see if she wants to meet up for drinks. If that doesn't happen, you can still just throw it out there, even though it's a low % shot at that point.

[CJ]

I agree with almost all of that McQueen... except the "Hey sexy" part. I'm not 100% sure on this yet, as I'm still testing it, but I'm avoiding anything flirty with girls from day game, and amping it up heavy on ones from night game. So far, so good, but again I need more time to collect more data and really test all this out.

CR, if you want to use that template, please go ahead, but let me know how the girl responds, as I'm quite interested.

[Christian McQueen]

"She's moving a few streets away on the weekend and my plan is to come by and "help"."

Just noticed this again too. Err on the side of getting sexual quick; don't get into too many friend-zoned activities such as: Lunch, helping her move, running.

If you do meet for lunch/running/helping her move you had better put a move on her on that 'date'.

MILFS know what the fuck is up and being assertive will be rewarded. In my experience, less games with MILFS worked great. Direct and matter of the fact.

[Christian McQueen]

@CJ:

"Hey sexy", works well when followed by a compliment of oneself. She's used to getting a complimentary text from a guy, but rarely does the text actually flip to the self-complimenting.

It's a way of establishing that you're well aware that you're attractive too, but said in a funny and cocky way. Almost like how the cool kids "just know what's up". When a player recognizes another player and gives him a nod. Real recognizes real. This creates a 'bubble' of sorts which is extremely powerful to work with when seducing a chick.

Actually that reminds me I need to do an article on the Bubble Seduction.

[MrXY]

Running?

Lunch?

Helping her move?

You're applying to be her beta serf! I don't even help girlfriends move, other than some light furniture adjustment after the heavy lifting is finished

Do you think she would help you move at this point? Think about how try hard that would make you look

Get her on a nighttime date, add alcohol, game, escalate, go for bang. You don't need to play pattycake with a MILF; if they want to fuck you, they will. If she won't agree to a nighttime date, next her.

[Cattle Rustler]

Thanks for the input CJ, MrXY, and McQueen. This was my first offline approach ever and I got the number, so my ego/over-thinking was through the roof. I posted how it went down on the approach thread, http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14130-...#pid566278

The "lets go running" thing was an excuse to get her number. See link. Lunch was going to include drinks at a place near my place. YB13 if you're reading this, it's glorias or los lupes.

True, I texted too quickly (an hour after) thinking it was good while I was fresh on her mind. The "picture" message was not necessary, too much thinking.

My plan is to catch her while she is kid-free during the day, make a move, fuck her and keep her as a regular. The irony? I start work tomorrow so I can't run with her.

Direct statements work best with her, I opened her with 2 questions but she got really chatty and friendly after I made a statement. Cattle Rustler needs to stop trying making this shit over complicated and start listening to his dick. 95% of my fucks are older women and I can't keep this one on check......

Edit: The help her move thing is mostly on my "don't do" list. She told me she has a daughter, and judging from the time frame she's older....and as CJ said, she might be married. I'm taking the recommendations here and apply them.

Now, what's best way to say "I can't make it tomorrow, I'll see you in glorias (drinks/dance place) friday night"

[Wahawahwah]

(10-29-2013 08:38 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Now, what's best way to say "I can't make it tomorrow, I'll see you in glorias (drinks/dance place) friday night"

Hey. Crazy workload(tomo?). But you can buy me drinks at Gloaria's, Friday evening instead.

[Christian McQueen]

busy tmrw. we'll party our asses's off fri @ Gloria's


Send that. Nothing more nothing less. Short and focused on logistics.