[Dalaran1991]

(11-02-2016 09:22 AM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

^^ It's not only that serious dancers are old, it's that even the younger girls sometimes are just plain ugly, except for some of the Asians. Think about it... why is that?

In a megalopolis like NYC, pretty girls don't have to 'work' to get male attention. There are so many other opportunities to meet men and have different social circles, that the quality of young girl that takes up dancing as an obsession doesn't have many choices available to her. The exceptions are FOB Asians who struggle to break through in regular social circles due to cultural and language difficulties. Some of them can be cute.

Meanwhile, if you go dance salsa in smaller towns, sometimes a little Wednesday Latin night that attracts like 30 people is the highlight of their week, socially. You can find some decent girls there, sometimes. It's very hit or miss.

But yes, midtown Manhattan is usually where you'll find the ugly, serious dancers. I haven't ventured to too many of the different boroughs yet to see what they're like, on regular non-serious nights. However, here's one tip for nights like that:

For your first few dances, dance with an older lady. Like 45+. Basically, a woman you're clearly not going to bang. This gets eyes on you and is very disarming. It's also a test of how good of a dancer you are. It plays into some of their fantasies. If he can entertain that old lady, maybe he can entertain me in my old age.......?

Just finding those legit Latin nights is a little harder, because hardcore dancers won't share those events. Those type of events are 'beneath them.'

Funny, almost all the pretty girls I gamed are from salsa/bachata, including my LTR. I actually find it to have a pretty good ratio of young hot girls, and they are usually thin.

And yet Paris is a city with lots of thirst so the "girls dont have to work for it" doesnt cut it here.

[JayMillz]

[JayMillz]

[Robtormar]

If you want to save money do the following.

1- learn basic step
2- learn basic turns
*this should take maximum a week tbh.
3- create Craigslist ad: "LF for a female dance partner for a "platonic" relationship to practice salsa/bachata/casino/merengue blah blah whatever
4- start practicing with new found female in your house by looking at YouTube videos and guides.
5- Bang dance partner( might wanna wait a bit for this tho)
6-win

It worked for me man, but you should probably know that I'm Cuban so it's in my blood.

[sonoran_]

I went to a salsa night with a female friend, some of the old ladies were impressed with my non basic salsa abilities during the lessons haha.

Then the open floor dancing started and all these highly skilled dudes came out of nowhere. I danced with my friend for basically the whole time but I think during that open floor I got to a new level.

Upto that point Ive probably taken like 8 lessons and most of it I had forgotten.

Am i correct in assuming that mainly its a whole bunch of imporvisation as long as your steps are to the beat. Should I even be counting the 123... 567 in my head?

[Pointer]

In Poland salsa and bachata (especially the sensual type) are quite popular. You get free dance classes with your sports card (if you can understand Polish) and there are always a couple dedicated venues in the bigger cities. I recently started going to bachata and kizomba, don't really like salsa. You can definitely feel a sexual tension and the girls are into it, no weird looks or comments. They expect you to lead and will do whatever the teacher says The challenge is to become the teacher...

Problem is that ratios are not as good as you might expect. Or maybe my expectations are not realistic...I thought a 2:1 ratio in favor of guys would be the norm There are about as many guys as girls, a ton of couples, at the end of the day the return on investment is medium to low but I'm confident that if you reach a respectable skill level you can pull easily in clubs. Almost all the young girls I've danced with are smoking hot. During the actual class there is not much time for socializing and while sometimes there are some events after the class is over, you get a lot of bunch of veteran dancers having their pick while you struggle to make something happen. Unless the girl is new, she will not invest much time if you don't know the moves. I find myself learning much faster taking private classes and will probably look for somebody to practice on a regular basis.

[xmlenigma]

(10-07-2016 08:08 AM)dsalsa Wrote:  

I read some threads about Salsa and other dance styles, but still have second thoughts. Learning a dance style properly requires time and money, it's better to choose the right one in terms of game.

I've finished Linear Salsa(LA) basic course, but then participated in some Cuban Salsa(Casino) classes for another two months.
Cuban and LA are equally prevalent in my country, every Latin music club has both styles every week, many of them have also Bachata.

I feel that my level of LA is much higher than Cuban, the instructors of the latter were awful and male/female ratio wasn't that good, so I'm looking for a new place to dance and game.

The downside of the Casino is that some of the places are full of white knight geeks that like to dance Rueda and cock block each other.
LA is more formal, technical, less fun to dance, but at least it has no stupid Rueda.
I can't keep with both styles so I need to choose one in the new place that I plan to attend and take classes.

Another option is Bachata, better male/female ratio, women with better asses, more sensual, fun to dance. But I think it awkward to be a good Bachata dancer and a beginner level of Salsa.

I don't want to choose a dance style that is trendy like Kizomba and could disappear from the dance floor.
It's better to concentrate in one style and be one of the top dancers on the dance floor, than master of none.
It should be a dance style with good prospects of game in Russia and the rest of Europe(Eastern and Western).

Thanks for the interesting insights. Any updates from your end given we are in Mid 2018.

(08-18-2017 07:39 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

In Poland salsa and bachata (especially the sensual type) are quite popular. You get free dance classes with your sports card (if you can understand Polish) and there are always a couple dedicated venues in the bigger cities. I recently started going to bachata and kizomba, don't really like salsa. You can definitely feel a sexual tension and the girls are into it, no weird looks or comments. They expect you to lead and will do whatever the teacher says The challenge is to become the teacher...

Problem is that ratios are not as good as you might expect. Or maybe my expectations are not realistic...I thought a 2:1 ratio in favor of guys would be the norm There are about as many guys as girls, a ton of couples, at the end of the day the return on investment is medium to low but I'm confident that if you reach a respectable skill level you can pull easily in clubs. Almost all the young girls I've danced with are smoking hot. During the actual class there is not much time for socializing and while sometimes there are some events after the class is over, you get a lot of bunch of veteran dancers having their pick while you struggle to make something happen. Unless the girl is new, she will not invest much time if you don't know the moves. I find myself learning much faster taking private classes and will probably look for somebody to practice on a regular basis.

Curious about these FREE Classes? How does one get that card? Student or Citizen?

[FernandoPF]

Nowadays latino parties offer salsa and bachata at the same time. And lately they add kizomba in a separate room.
So being only a "bachatero" is not weird at all. I know many girls who master bachata, and don't know much salsa.

Choose the one you like. If you are into salsa and a newbies, I recommend cuban style (the basics first).
If you opt for bachata, go directly to bachata sensual. You can use it even with reggaeton music at clubs.

Once you know some improver/intermediate level, I strongly recommend to start teaching newbies >>> yes, run salsa teacher game!

I started posting advice on my own experience: thread-73163.html