Quote: (01-05-2013 12:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
Serious question for everyone:
If Thailand was as expensive as say LA or NYC, would you guys go?
Would you guys love it?
Probably not. But I don't go to LA or NYC either though - probably because of the price tag. The cost of living is definitely the biggest draw to Thailand, and in Bangkok, specifically, many international living sources assert that you won't get a higher-value long-term lifestyle for cheaper anywhere else.
I think it'd still be worth going for those who had the loot if it were that expensive - for the cultural experience - but I'd personally be looking for a place where I got more bang for my buck at that point.
Quote: (01-05-2013 12:52 PM)Soma Wrote:
Beyond Borders, really appreciate you sharing your extensive knowledge of the country. Do you have any thoughts on Koh Chang (the big one) compared to the other islands? It's the second largest island there but I rarely hear anything about it.
I've never been there, but I think it'd be well worth checking out. I've read the prices get high in the high season, but I imagine just like anywhere else it depends on how much effort you put in to finding cheap accommodation.
Most of the Bangkok Thais look to Koh Chang as the ultimate beach getaway.
Quote: (01-05-2013 01:11 PM)DVY Wrote:
I guess this thread should be. Dont expect Thailand to the cure-all for bad game, youth is important, clothing is important, Thais are heavily concerned about face (societal image), stick to big cities if you want rich, stunner thai girls for ONS.
EXACTLY!
Quote: (01-05-2013 02:35 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:
I'm sorry, I guess I'm probably the only guy on this forum who doesn't quite understand this whole "shoring" thing. The idea of spitting "game" at a prostitute just sounds strange to me.
Agreed. When you're hanging out in prostitute-laden areas though, it just tends to happen. You're drinking and partying and the girls around you are those types of girls, so sometimes you just end up partying with them just like any other girl and not sure in the back of your mind if they are a whore or not - it's not always clear.
At the end of the night, I'd just mention before taking them home that I'm not into paying for girls. Usually even if they were a prostitute, they'd say not to worry about it.
It's nothing I'm proud of and after I moved away from the islands I did it a lot less, but it is the reality for most guys that hang out in tourist-centric nightclubs in thailand. You'd also be surprised how many women go home with westerners and never bring it up because they have a more long-term game in mind. Some of these guys haven't a clue. Most, more likely.
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I mean I guess they are still normal people too, who can be talked to and charmed, but almost feel like "game" should be reserved for normal girls. Not paying a poor ass hooker in a 3rd world country just seems to amount to some ego shit on the part of the man. They want to be able to say "oh I'm not like those sleazy sex tourists who can't get laid", so I'll just buy this poor chick who makes less than a $1000 USD a year a slice of pizza and some milk from 7-11, but I'll leave with my pride intact. To me it all sounds like EGO and rationalizations. The fact is you may have saved $30 or however many bucks, but at the end of night doesn't negate the fact that she is still a whore. She has still sucked and fucked about a 1,000 cocks before you. Your "gaming" or "shoring" her isn't going to change any of that.
You're right. There probably is ego involved.
Personally for myself, there was always also the fact that I'd rather a woman fuck me because she wants to and not because she's being paid - both for her sake and mine. I honestly don't think I'd be very enthusiastic if I didn't think she was doing it for her own pleasure. I might not even get that aroused. Maybe it's just me.
The scary thing about fucking hookers is hoping the condum never breaks.
Banging these women is not something I recommend. I haven't done it in a long time, and I probably won't do it next time around at all. But at the same time, I'm not going to judge other guys who do it. If they're having fun and the girl's having fun, then I say let them have their fun.
Most importantly, I think it's important for guys to be honest about it because so many rant and rave about easy pussy in Southeast Asia when they are banging freelancers and other undesirables chasing the farang golden ticket.
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Personally, I think if I was in Thailand I'd rather just b-line it to the hottest whore and pay her her marginal fee (maybe haggle a bit), then spend hours in a whore club, "trying to run game" on a whore, who still may want compensation at the end of the night or in the morning.
A pretty good perspective and a good point. This is why a lot of guys just say fuck it and p4p. But again, as far as myself is concerned, it was never about going to a whore bar and running game. It was about being in a bar with other tourists, having fun, and naturally ending up hitting on the girls around me, some of which ended up being whores.
It just happens if you go to bars in tourist central. Again, most guys are unaware or, as you mentioned, fudging the numbers.
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I'd be willing to wager quite a bit of change that a good bit of guys from this forum thought they were "shoring" only to be hit up for cash before the chick leaves, maybe they "held their ground" and didn't pay the girl anything, or maybe the slipped her a few bucks on the down low and didn't tell us about it.
It definitely happens - or a hit up for "taxi money." More of an issue in Laos though, in my experience. Usually in Thailand as long as you're clear up front you'll be good.
Most times that it happened to me, I stood my ground since I'd already set the ground rules before we came. It seems trivial to do so, but I don't think it helps other guys much to reward this type of scammy behavior, so I felt a need to stand to the "agreement."
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If you are fucking a Thai prostitute she is still a prostitute whether you give her a little money or not.
Absolutely. No argument there.
Quote: (01-05-2013 01:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
But what I am getting at is if Thailand cost $300-600 a night for a hotel room, and cocktails were $12-20, would you guys still be going to Thailand?
And loving it?
At this stage in my life, I probably wouldn't go anywhere that cost that much without some kind of work-around. Maybe for a few nights if it was really out of this world.
Long-term prices will be cheaper anywhere accommodation wise.
There are people who go to Thailand and pay those prices though. They've got the money to spend and like going there. What you'd get for those room prices there would be unreal luxury.
It's truly one of those places people can, and do, spend as much or as little as they can afford.
This might sound like a vague evasion of your question, but if you think about it, the fact that people do go spend that kind of dough there goes a long way in answering your question.
Quote: (01-05-2013 03:05 PM)WEDO Wrote:
While I'm trying to figure out if these guys are going there just because it is easy to get laid or are they actually bedding some seriously hot women without paying for it.
I think everyone has been pretty clear about the situation in Thailand with non-pro girls and Westerners. In fact, everyone seems to be telling you it's harder and that you're better off in Colombia yet you keep asking for pics to change your mind, even though no one is trying to change your mind. lol
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The bottom line is we are never going to know what kind of non pro quality these guys are pulling unless they post some pics or even if these guys could get laid any place else if they aren't in the pics. jajaja
jajaja indeed. Nice try.
Yes, I'm sure not one guy on here that goes to Thailand can get laid or sleeps with good-looking women. This entire forum is full of guys with no game. lol Look, pics of actual girls are hard to come by on this forum. A couple guys have put them up - even with Thais, I believe - but most don't seem comfortable with it.
I think the problem here is you seem to actually want people to sell you on the place. But no one is here selling the place and could really care less. They're just sharing info.
In fact, I think Thailand would be a better place if less men came there looking for easy pussy.
Bottom line, though, is that if you don't realize there are a scattering of women of all different quality levels no matter where you go or that the best ones are always a harder conquest for foreigners wherever you go, I'm not really sure what else to tell you.
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I'm waiting for Scotian's final verdict on Thailand when it comes to women...because I know he can get attractive pussy in Colombia without paying for it...and should be able to give a balanced comparison.
I'd definitely just pm Scotian if I were you. If you've met and partied before and he has Colombia experience, that's an easy answer for your question.
Quote: (01-05-2013 04:19 PM)DirectDanger Wrote:
@thegmanifesto
the simple answer... NO
One of the great things about Bangkok is the value and cost of living. If it was on par with NYC for cost its awesomeness would be considerably less.
@WEDO
Looking at your pics you posted if you are scoring those kind of girls in Columbia then stay. You will not score that kind of talent unless you decide to live in Bangkok long term, learn the language, build an awesome social circle, and work at it.
Just as I imagine some random guy showing up in Columbia for a month with little knowledge of the culture and language is not going to pull top girls on the regular. Same goes in Bangkok for "normal" girls.
It seems to me that Columbian girls are sexier than Thai girls. However what is so special about Thai girls is how incredibly well they treat you. When you get into a semi-regular relationship with one you are the boss. She will clean, cook, and suck your dick at your command if know how to set up the dynamics of the relationship. It is also easy to have a harem of girls so you never get bored. Nothing like watching a girl clean up all the black hair on your floor and in your bathroom from all the other girls you are fucking.
Lots of reasons to give thailand a chance but if your main goal is to fuck as hot as girls as you can then i say stick with what you got in Columbia.
It is not easy to score classy 8, 9, or 10's in thailand. It is really fucking easy to bang all the 5 to 7's you want.
This is a pretty good answer, Wedo. Even without pics. I'd listen to this guy if I were you.