[ball dont lie]

(12-17-2016 11:33 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

How much of a factor is zinc in keeping acne at bay?

I've gotten some harsh break outs lately. Then I remembered that I haven't taken zinc consistently for at least a few months. Of course there are other factors involved, but I've heard many times that zinc is a main one.

Wondering if anyone here has personal experience.

Yeah, zinc keeps my skin looking better. Not perfect, but if I stop taking it I notice more redness and acne. Keep up the Opti-zinc.

[Kid Twist]

Does anyone have a recommendation for eleuthero Siberian ginseng root?

I generally have found that Now Foods is solid, wondering if there is another powder or bulk company that anyone can vouch for or trust with this root.

Thanks

[FretDancer]

Experimented with taking Zinc for a while a few years ago. Now I started taking ZMA before bedtime, been experiencing some weird dreams....

[John Michael Kane]

@FretDancer, Did you sleep better or worse, feeling more or less rested than without the ZMA? Also, did you take it on an empty stomach, right before bed? How much did you take?

[FretDancer]

(01-05-2017 02:24 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

@FretDancer, Did you sleep better or worse, feeling more or less rested than without the ZMA? Also, did you take it on an empty stomach, right before bed? How much did you take?

I definitely sleep better and feel more rested when I wake up. I still want to keep sleeping when I hear the alarm ring though.

I take 3 capsules right before bed as per the instructions. Most days I guess you could call it "on an empty stomach" since I go to sleep around 3-4 hours after my last meal.

[Vill@in]

I have been taking ZMA (Optimum Nutrition) for a few months now and I love it. It actually seems to help me in a lot of different ways. I mainly started taking it to help with my sleep, and I do get drowsy about an hour after taking it. I still get the occasional nights of insomnia, but for the most part I sleep great. And I wake up with a massive hard on, so it seems to be helping with the T production.

Not sure if taking more than 1 capsule would be beneficial. I think there is only about 30mg of Zinc in the ON brand of ZMA. Anyone who takes this brand experience any benefits on taking more than 1 capsule at a time?

[JackStraw]

Been lurking a while, this is my first post. I have also experienced most of the zinc benefits discussed in this thread recently. I have been taking Optimum Nutrition ZMA for 2-3 months now (3 pills at night = 30mg zinc; 1 serving is 3 pills) and the effects on my sleep are definitely real. I used to have trouble falling asleep but now I always fall asleep quickly. Quality of sleep is much better too. I do find my mind to be a little cloudy when I wake up and it's harder to get out of bed, but once I'm up everything is good. Had some pretty intense dreams the first few nights but the dreaming is back to normal now.

It does seem to help with my skin as well - I'm pretty fair skinned and get an occasional pimple or mostly irritation. There is less redness on my face now, a change I noticed after about 10 days of zinc.

I do mix it up every 3rd or 4th night and take just a straight 30mg zinc supplement along with a copper supp, both from Pure Encapsulations rather than the ZMA. Trying to avoid copper deficiency. Maybe I should try some higher doses.

[Mercenary]

I have been taking the Optizinc Zinc Monomethionine, 30mg, which also contains copper to balance things out, as recommended by many other members. Been doing this for a few weeks.

I do sleep better and have more vivid dreams which I remember in the morning, but apart from that I haven't noticed any other changes.


How long does it take until you see the other benefits ?

Also, is this a seasonal thing ?

Meaning you will notice a better result in warmer months, than you notice in the cold winter.

[aeroektar]

I started taking zinc picolinate 2 weeks ago, I was feeling fatigued and my boners were not at optimal strength, I think due to jetlag, lack of sleep, alcohol and new environment/poor diet, read about zinc and decided to give it a try.

I'm pretty sure I've always been copper heavy and zinc deficient my whole life from drinking tap water from copper pipes and avoiding seafood and nuts, I also had acne to varying degrees pretty much all my life, on my face, back, weird places like my shoulders and arms.

I started with a 90mg dose for the first two days and 60mg everyday after, I've been getting raging boners in the middle of the night and first thing in the morning, skin has COMPLETELY cleared which is amazing, I've tried everything prior to this and nothing totally made my skin clear.

Where I made an error was in not including copper, I believe zinc picolinate doesn't need to be megadosed because it is highly absorbed by the body, I'm also traveling and only drinking bottled water, so very little copper in my diet. I'm pretty sure my balance got way out of wack rather quickly and over the last few days began to feel a lot of the symptoms of copper deficiency, and I've generally felt great for the last couple years since starting a really healthy diet. I'm now stopping the zinc for a couple days and taking 2.5 mg chelated copper to try to balance things out.

I will go back to the zinc eventually, I think its a game changer, but I'll continue to take it with copper and I'm going to look into magnesium as well.

Dont take zinc without copper.

[ball dont lie]

(02-05-2017 05:08 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

I started taking zinc picolinate 2 weeks ago, I was feeling fatigued and my boners were not at optimal strength, I think due to jetlag, lack of sleep, alcohol and new environment/poor diet, read about zinc and decided to give it a try.

I'm pretty sure I've always been copper heavy and zinc deficient my whole life from drinking tap water from copper pipes and avoiding seafood and nuts, I also had acne to varying degrees pretty much all my life, on my face, back, weird places like my shoulders and arms.

I started with a 90mg dose for the first two days and 60mg everyday after, I've been getting raging boners in the middle of the night and first thing in the morning, skin has COMPLETELY cleared which is amazing, I've tried everything prior to this and nothing totally made my skin clear.

Where I made an error was in not including copper, I believe zinc picolinate doesn't need to be megadosed because it is highly absorbed by the body, I'm also traveling and only drinking bottled water, so very little copper in my diet. I'm pretty sure my balance got way out of wack rather quickly and over the last few days began to feel a lot of the symptoms of copper deficiency, and I've generally felt great for the last couple years since starting a really healthy diet. I'm now stopping the zinc for a couple days and taking 2.5 mg chelated copper to try to balance things out.

I will go back to the zinc eventually, I think its a game changer, but I'll continue to take it with copper and I'm going to look into magnesium as well.

Dont take zinc without copper.

You seem to have a very good feel for your overall health and body. What changes happen to you when you are deficient in copper?

[CheckCheck]

Sounds interesting, is there anything that speaks against zinc? Fucks stomach up, like some here say, anything else?

[aeroektar]

(02-05-2017 06:49 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:08 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

I started taking zinc picolinate 2 weeks ago, I was feeling fatigued and my boners were not at optimal strength, I think due to jetlag, lack of sleep, alcohol and new environment/poor diet, read about zinc and decided to give it a try.

I'm pretty sure I've always been copper heavy and zinc deficient my whole life from drinking tap water from copper pipes and avoiding seafood and nuts, I also had acne to varying degrees pretty much all my life, on my face, back, weird places like my shoulders and arms.

I started with a 90mg dose for the first two days and 60mg everyday after, I've been getting raging boners in the middle of the night and first thing in the morning, skin has COMPLETELY cleared which is amazing, I've tried everything prior to this and nothing totally made my skin clear.

Where I made an error was in not including copper, I believe zinc picolinate doesn't need to be megadosed because it is highly absorbed by the body, I'm also traveling and only drinking bottled water, so very little copper in my diet. I'm pretty sure my balance got way out of wack rather quickly and over the last few days began to feel a lot of the symptoms of copper deficiency, and I've generally felt great for the last couple years since starting a really healthy diet. I'm now stopping the zinc for a couple days and taking 2.5 mg chelated copper to try to balance things out.

I will go back to the zinc eventually, I think its a game changer, but I'll continue to take it with copper and I'm going to look into magnesium as well.

Dont take zinc without copper.

You seem to have a very good feel for your overall health and body. What changes happen to you when you are deficient in copper?

I experienced fatigue, sensitivity to the smallest temp. changes (hot flashes and chills), digestion issues, dizzyness, a mildly sore throat and a minor rash and tingling. Things just felt very off, could have been a bug or something but I'm backing off the zinc for a couple days to be safe and when I start the zinc back up I'm taking it with copper.

[samsamsam]

I don't think you are supposed to take copper at the same time you take zinc. I thought it cancelled out the benefits.

Also, what is the smart way to take in copper. I have been taking ZMA nonstop for years. And I take multivitamins but not consistently.

How much copper should I be taking? And when to add it? Every day or every few days?

Thanks.

[kosko]

Your body needs copper to metabolize Zinc so it will leach out copper from your body's deposits to help the process. They both compete but balance each other out but one works against the other when not in balance or unison. It is much easier to over do it with Zinc with supplementation so it is advisable to always pair it with copper. Copper overages are much more difficult to come by as few people actually supplement that solo and I can't think of a diet that would of a abundance of it. Copper is found in livers and lentils and what not so you could get it from food but most folks are not eating those items daily. But overall it is hard to get high levels off by default so if you supplement zinc is important to combine the two to get the most benefits.


A good Zinc supplement should have it bonded already inside so that it does not have to leech from your stores. Apparently it is very easy to become copper different which is why many are advising to pair Zinc with copper.

[Elster]

Damn!
One thing that gets me mad here in Spain it s realy hard to find a butcher shop where they keep or sell the hearts!
Last time I asked they said "We don't keep spoils", I felt the man insulted the noble profession of butchery everywhere...

[samsamsam]

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(02-06-2017 02:14 AM)kosko Wrote:  

Your body needs copper to metabolize Zinc so it will leach out copper from your body's deposits to help the process. They both compete but balance each other out but one works against the other when not in balance or unison. It is much easier to over do it with Zinc with supplementation so it is advisable to always pair it with copper. Copper overages are much more difficult to come by as few people actually supplement that solo and I can't think of a diet that would of a abundance of it. Copper is found in livers and lentils and what not so you could get it from food but most folks are not eating those items daily. But overall it is hard to get high levels off by default so if you supplement zinc is important to combine the two to get the most benefits.


A good Zinc supplement should have it bonded already inside so that it does not have to leech from your stores. Apparently it is very easy to become copper different which is why many are advising to pair Zinc with copper.

So take copper with it? I get Swanson zma. I don't think there is any copper mixed in. Any suggestions as to how much copper to take would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Elster]

I spent all day yesterday looking for articles on Mate nutritional info and was unsuccesful.I remembered from back home that the packages mentioned that mate had Zinc and Copper amongst other things...

Today I actually found a Yerba package:
Cruz de Malta brand which for some weird reason also has fat in the charts,which is odd since the plant itself has no fat.
This package says it contains the following minerals:
manganese, magnesium, potasium, Iron, copper, zinc, nickel,

If this isnt BS the I'dthink this could explain why so many rough outdoorsmen people like the archetypical gauchos were able to perform so well or in spite of their rough strewn lifestyle.

On that Note:
I've taken back to drinking mate but now that I got disused to caffeine I can definitely feel the kick

[aeroektar]

(02-07-2017 01:18 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

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(02-06-2017 02:14 AM)kosko Wrote:  

Your body needs copper to metabolize Zinc so it will leach out copper from your body's deposits to help the process. They both compete but balance each other out but one works against the other when not in balance or unison. It is much easier to over do it with Zinc with supplementation so it is advisable to always pair it with copper. Copper overages are much more difficult to come by as few people actually supplement that solo and I can't think of a diet that would of a abundance of it. Copper is found in livers and lentils and what not so you could get it from food but most folks are not eating those items daily. But overall it is hard to get high levels off by default so if you supplement zinc is important to combine the two to get the most benefits.


A good Zinc supplement should have it bonded already inside so that it does not have to leech from your stores. Apparently it is very easy to become copper different which is why many are advising to pair Zinc with copper.

So take copper with it? I get Swanson zma. I don't think there is any copper mixed in. Any suggestions as to how much copper to take would be appreciated. Thanks.

Its a crap shoot because there is conflicting information everywhere.

Solaray - 50mg zinc / 2mg copper
Now & Source Naturals Optizinc - 30mg zinc / .3 mg copper

This article states that for every 30mg of zinc you should take 4mg of copper, which seems high, its recommended you get at least 15mg per day of zinc but only 1mg of copper.

And I've read all kinds of other shit on the internet like for 50mg of zinc it should be 1mg of copper.

None of the information I've found takes into account the types of zinc and copper, and different types are absorbed differently.

I think the best thing to do is just take one of the combination supps and trust that its designed to work optimally, trying to figure it out on your own is confusing.

[FretDancer]

(01-06-2017 12:06 PM)Vill@in Wrote:  

I have been taking ZMA (Optimum Nutrition) for a few months now and I love it. It actually seems to help me in a lot of different ways. I mainly started taking it to help with my sleep, and I do get drowsy about an hour after taking it. I still get the occasional nights of insomnia, but for the most part I sleep great. And I wake up with a massive hard on, so it seems to be helping with the T production.

Not sure if taking more than 1 capsule would be beneficial. I think there is only about 30mg of Zinc in the ON brand of ZMA. Anyone who takes this brand experience any benefits on taking more than 1 capsule at a time?

If I am not mistaken, Optimum Nutrition ZMA suggests one serving (3 capsules) = 30mg. Yet in your post it seems you mean that 1 capsule = 30mg. You should confirm this.

Anyways, after re-reading this thread I have decided to ditch the ZMA once I'm done with the bottle, and replace it with OptiZinc for the Copper. I have a feeling that all these years taking Zinc has lowered my copper a lot.

Also, a big shout out to Lizard of Oz for constantly re-warning all these idiots (for a lack of a better word) about crazy megadosing.

[GlobalMan]

(12-07-2016 01:05 AM)Irenicus Wrote:  

On a side note...I have noticed that Zinc makes me...more aggressive.

Has anyone experienced something like that?

Irenicus brother you are taking 5 times the recommended dosage of zinc every day.

Whether it's zinc or any other supplement, if you take way more than is needed it doesn't simply multiply the good effects, it creates all kinds of unintended and undesirable issues, while losing the positives.

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(02-07-2017 01:18 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

So take copper with it? I get Swanson zma. I don't think there is any copper mixed in. Any suggestions as to how much copper to take would be appreciated. Thanks.

Samsamsam, as has been recommended repeatedly in this thread, buy some OptiZinc, it has exactly what you need :

(03-28-2014 09:04 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Once more -- I know I've posted this before and even very recently but I'd rather repeat myself endlessly than have someone doing this wrong:

1. USE OPTIZINC -- you do not want to use a zinc formulation that doesn't have copper and develop copper deficiency. Bad news.

OptiZinc

2. Do not take more than 35mg of zinc a day on a regular basis -- you really don't need more than that. You can make exceptions for special occasions.

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I don't remember if it was in this thread or another, it was some time ago, but I can only say thank you to the Lizard for recommending Bromelain, for a couple of reasons:

- I was having unexplained discomfort/irritation somewhere in the prostate and ball region, with a non-obvious source. Went to see a urologist and he said everything looks perfectly fine, and there wasn't any type of infection (which is rare for men but not impossible). But he then proceeded to prescribe the most powerful antibiotic available, despite no infection, saying that "some guys find it helpful". Well, of course I was immediately wary of the idea, even more so when reading the possible side effects- sudden pain, snapping or popping sound, bruising, swelling, tenderness, stiffness, loss of movement in joints; tendon rupture; changes in sensation and possible permanent nerve damage... Fuck that.

Fast forward some time and in the process of researching Bromelain I discovered that in Europe and elsewhere Bromelain is often prescribed for exactly the symptoms I had, it is excellent at taking care of transient and hard to treat inflammation. Specifically, Bromelain with Quercetin.

Secondly, and equally important-

- Loads. The most magnificent loads of both volume and quality, the kinds that a pale faced smiling girl dreams of and will worship you for. There is no price tag you can put on that.

[jbo]

(04-15-2017 04:20 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Specifically, Bromelain with Quercetin.

I was wondering if you could be a bit more specific please:

- what exactly were you taking (just Bromelain or Bromelain with Quercetin)?
- dosage?
- how long did it take you to notice the effects (talking about loads)?
- any specific brand?

Thanks!

[Vincent Chase]

You got my attention with the Peter North style cumshots. I'm in.

[GlobalMan]

(04-16-2017 09:51 AM)jbo Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 04:20 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Specifically, Bromelain with Quercetin.

I was wondering if you could be a bit more specific please:

- what exactly were you taking (just Bromelain or Bromelain with Quercetin)?
- dosage?
- how long did it take you to notice the effects (talking about loads)?
- any specific brand?

Thanks!

jbo,

First, are you taking Optizinc? Zinc is the foundation and main structure of the house of jizz, if you wiil. It is essential. Start there if you are not currently taking it, the largest gains will come from the zinc. The rest is window (or face) dressing.

Yes, I'm taking Bromelain with Quercetin. Bromelain on its own has its benefits, but I can't say for certain what effect it had alone on loads. Most of the time I've been taking Bromelain together with Quercetin, so that is my experience. I noticed an extra bump from this combo, on top of the zinc, in both quality and volume.

I started out taking each individually, but now I buy them in combined form.

This is what I take: https://www.vitamedica.com/products/reco...quercetin/

You can find many other brands of Bromelain + Quercetin, but I buy this one because it contains 500mg of each, whereas almost all other brands of combined Bromelain + Quercetin only contain 100-250mg of Bromelain. It would be cheaper to buy them separately to get that dosage, that is the better way to go, I just buy this brand for convenience.

You can buy:
NOW Bromelain 500 mg
+
Solaray Quercetin 500 mg

Hope that helps

[jbo]

Yes, I am taking "L-OptiZinc". I did notice improvement, but still far from being able to cover a face in jizz.

The best results so far I have had with taking raw maca; after about 2-3 weeks I was shooting like crazy, but shortly after it started giving me nasty stomach cramps so I am not touching it anymore. Tried gelatinized maca later but not the same effect.

I will give Bromelain and Quercetin a try (500 mg each) for a few weeks and see what that does for me, thanks!

[GlobalMan]

^Forgot to mention- Take the combo without food. When Bromelain is taken with food it serves a different function, mostly as a digestive aid.

Take 500 mg of each twice per day between meals.