Quote: (11-19-2014 10:42 PM)WD-40 Wrote:
Quote: (11-19-2014 09:44 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:
But they can't deport a few million illegal aliens (and retroactively strip their anchor baby children of citizenship) because, um, they just can't!
Are you sure you understand the implications of what you are suggesting here?
Denying certain American-born children birthright citizenship would already constitute a historically unprecedented reversal of the long-standing Wong Kim Ark ruling's interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment's Citizenship Clause ... but retroactively stripping birthright citizenship that has already been legally granted?!?
While there are certain countries that practice this in cases where a citizen by birthright acquires another nationality, there are only a few countries that spring to mind when it comes to having stripped birthright citizens of their citizenship even if they didn't acquire another citizenship - and those are the Soviet Union as well as- cue Godwin's law- the German Reich (pre-WWII).
The Soviet Union was notorious for stripping regime critics and dissidents of their citizenship.
In the Reich, you could be stripped of your citizenship if you refused military service, and in the Third Reich, your citizenship could also be stripped if you were Jewish and you left German territory.
I love a good troll job as much as anybody on this forum, but I am slowly beginning to worry that certain people in this thread actually believe what they are saying!
Revoking the citizenship of the children of illegal aliens is the best of a bunch of bad choices.
Think about it. There are only three ways to deal with the situation as it is:
1. Give illegal aliens amnesty, rewarding people for breaking the law, diluting the concept of U.S. citizenship, increasing poverty and ethnic strife, driving down wages for low-income Americans, and worsening an already poor economy for no other reason than "We don't want to break up families!" and "What about the CHIIILLLDDDRRREEENNN???!!!11"
2. Deport the illegal aliens only, leaving their children behind to grow up without their parents in foster homes and/or on the government teat, which is inhumane, will lead to dysfunctional upbringings and will further strain government resources.
3. Strip the kiddies of their citizenship and send them packing with mommy and daddy, which will thrust them into an unfamiliar culture, but at least they'll stay with their families and have a helping hand in acclimating to the society they should have been born into.
This womanish, emotion-driven thinking is part of why this country is going down the tubes. Yes, it sucks to rip kids out of the only culture they've ever known, but tough shit: mami and papi should have never been allowed here to begin with and any kids they had should never have been granted citizenship. Canada, Ireland, and other countries have been restricting/eliminating jus soli precisely because immigrants have been abusing it in the same way they do here.
A nation has to make hard choices if it wants to survive. You can either live in a prosperous first-world country or you can continue arguing that the children of criminals deserve special privileges. You can't have both.