Quote: (09-02-2014 09:11 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

"A whore"? "Promiscuity damages women"? "Shown time and time again"? I don't want to sound rude, but by saying that, you show that your knowledge of the female mindset is limited at best.

80% chance of staying married to a virgin. 50% after just two partners. 17% after 15 partners, a number that is probably below the average in many Western countries. You don't have to be a genius to spot the correlation.

WTF is that chart. What's the source? What's the methodology? In which countries was it made? What does stable means? Not divorced? And if it's not divorced, does it take religion into account?

Quote: (09-02-2014 09:25 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

WTF is that chart. What's the source? What's the methodology? In which countries was it made? What does stable means? Not divorced? And if it's not divorced, does it take religion into account?

It is an age-old maxim that sluts make bad wives. Every single generation in history accepted this. Ever heard the phrase "You can't turn a ho into a housewife"? That knowledge has been passed down for thousands of years, on the basis of hundreds of thousands of men who were burned by damaged women throughout history.

Women know this to such a level that, even in the sluttiest of cultures, you will be pressed to find women that wear their promiscuity on their sleeves.

Here is the Roissy article is was pulled from, based on a demographic study. It is not the only one. Science and statistic has proven it many times, as has the common sense and the direct experiences of literally every generation throughout history except this one.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/09/1...bad-wives/

HAHAHAHAHAHA, "The Social Pathologist has crunched numbers"??? What kind of quackery is that? Please give me a real study, not an absurd article from a blog. For generations and generations people have thought that cold weather provoke cough and fever, hence the term "cold", and it's completely wrong. Solid evidence, please.

Hey Ohio I enjoy your narrative. It really cracks me up. Could you tell me a little more about yourself and your actual gaming techniques. As you can see I am still learning and have had some successes but I have a long way to go. How old are you, what are your looks? It sounds like you are older like myself. Early 50's, but you seem to be doing very well? Is that the case? If so what do you attribute to your success to be? You are getting early 20's poontang, both in the US and Ukraine. What do you recommend for someone my age coming up in this crazy business? What is working for you and what has not? Keep the stories coming.

Quote: (09-02-2014 05:01 AM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

If you combine all of these factors, you will find less than 5 countries. Some examples, among others, are places like Tajikistan and Vietnam. But Ukraine is not the place.

Let me guess:

Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Uzbekistan
Vietnam

Quote: (09-02-2014 10:43 AM)Lika Wrote:  

Quote: (09-02-2014 05:01 AM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

If you combine all of these factors, you will find less than 5 countries. Some examples, among others, are places like Tajikistan and Vietnam. But Ukraine is not the place.

Let me guess:

Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Uzbekistan
Vietnam

Bad homework. I would give you a D. Kazakhstan has a 27% divorce rate, one in three chance of getting fucked over. In Uzbekistan the numbers seem right but there is a clear change in mentality, at least in the capital city. The smartphone facebook culture is creeping in and, although in the first phases, you can see the deterioration. I believe the place may be good now but a future of doom can clearly be predicted. There are much safer playing grounds.

" reinserted in the closest hole my inebriated mind could find, which did not happen to be her vagina,. A light gasp was herd that night. It was either a squeal of pleasure vs my enteric system will never work the same. I am not sure which since I am a bit hard of hearing since I am twice her age, so I plow onward, To be my delight, she took to the new angle of attack like a fish to water. The sub could dive as deep as the captain cared to risk, only to be followed with moams only a female crew member could deliver. I am a giving chap after all, and I felt a sense of pride plowing the #2 hole, uninvited,, but evidently not unwelcome, Maybe this wasn't her first.."

For a second I thought Greek Kamiki was the the OP and not Ohio Nukes. Some original writing there....

^ OMIT

"must endure pain until sex, then delete number with sadistic pleasure"



Yeah it's about that bad 80%+ of the bangs here in American for various reasons.

[quote] (09-02-2014 09:21 AM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

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I read about the above study. IT found that men could be loyal (ie, stay in fidelity with a marriage partner) after marriage, but women were much less likely to be able to.

It was a finding based on a representative sample (n=over 1,000), of men and women followed for five years, up to their early 30s. I found the assessment believable.

To wit, the more sex partners you have had in life, the higher importance physical pleasure becomes for you - and the higher cost one puts on enduring erotic boredom.

Therefore, one is more likely to divorce - mostly more women than men.

The fundamental facts of life are often missing here at RVF. I refer to this fact of life: men peak sexually (ie, highest level of testosterone) at age 18 or 19. For women, it's about a dozen years later (31 or 32). Seen in this light, men are less likely to stay promiscuous as they age because they are less horny - and conversely, a woman is more likely to stray as she enters later youth because she's more horny.

I'm active on a "Hotwife" bulletin board, and a survey of females in that lifestyle found that those likely to stray from monogamy were strongly correlated with a woman's years of peak testosterone levels, ie, the median age (out of 120) of the group was 31.2 years old.

Now, let us grant thatfemale promiscuity (SEE Wikipedia entry) is shaped by many factors, both social and environmental, as well as neurobiological and hormonal. But I find these various findings consistent with the innocent sweet "pretty young thing" in early youth giving way to raving skanky whore by later youth and early middle-age, story, also persistent.

The story put short? Men are, sexually, pretty predictable and consistent for years and often decades after youth. Women, however, are not. Not only does her sexual interest in straying coincide with the fertile time of her monthly cycle, but during much of pregnancy, and during her late 20s/early or mid/30s, she will be most likely WANT to stray, and enjoy sex apart from you - probably with a new and different man.

In addition to all this news, there is a finding that women grow bored with sex in a stable relationship much faster than a man does.
(SEE "What Do Women Want? Surprising Secrets From the Science of Female Desire"" by Daniel Bregner, 2013.)

Therefore, if you are an older man who wants to marry a younger woman, it is best to be prepared for all these complex ("inscrutable?" did our OP say?) changes women will experience and be able to role with the changes as a genuinely wise, accepting, older man.
Otherwise, marry the near virgin. Her ignorance will be your bliss!

And beautiful women are significantly more likely to succumb to temptation than any 6, 7 or even 8s will, if only because she will be hit on more often and be reminded of her sexual desirability than the less genetically fortunate woman. That is, beautiful women report more sex partners at almost very age of life, and a taste for kinkier kinds of sex-play than "plain Janes."

So, my advice? Love her or lose her if you don't marry the near virgin. (The surprise from the Hotwife BB? The most common couple in the lifestyle married young, with few sexual partners - then they discover that they are higher sexed, and curious about what they missed out on in life? That curiosity kills their innocence!)

Could I be thinking of THIS more recent study?

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According to new research by the National Marriage Project, more than half of married women who had only ever slept with their future husband felt highly satisfied in their marriage.

But that percentage dropped to 42 per cent once the woman had had pre-marital sex with at least two partners. It dropped to 22 per cent for those with ten or more partners.

But, for men, the number of partners a man they appeared to have no bearing on how satisfied they felt within a marriage.

Researchers said the study showed that sex with many different partners 'may be risky' if the woman is in search of a high-quality marriage.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z3CDup6KuJ

@LuckyLuke Take a look at women you know personally. Of the highly promiscuous women you know how many actually stay faithful to their boyfriends or husband's? I know tons of sluts, almost all of them are either not very faithful to or unsatisfied with monogamy when they enter relationships. I only know 1 ho whose ever turned into a housewife.

Quote: (09-03-2014 12:52 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

@LuckyLuke Take a look at women you know personally. Of the highly promiscuous women you know how many actually stay faithful to their boyfriends or husband's? I know tons of sluts, almost all of them are either not very faithful to or unsatisfied with monogamy when they enter relationships. I only know 1 ho whose ever turned into a housewife.

Anecdote is not evidence. I know cheaters of all kinds, but more importantly, I don't know how promiscuous a woman really was when I met her. Some seem like really "good girls" and in fact they were fucking around all the time but were awesome on covering it, whereas some "sluts" didn't really fuck that much, and just loved the attention.

It's logical to think that there's a correlation between sexual promiscuity before and after marriage and there very well might be, but it'd be interesting to know what the threshold is. There are people who are naturally promiscuous and others who are promiscuous due to circumstance (such as having very promiscuous friends, being in college and other reasons).

What I didn't like about the OP and the ensuing debate was the "I WANT A WIFE" mentality because that's not the way you'll get one, at least if you use the traditional date-pick up method and not a mail-in bride company. It reeks of neediness. The OP put his imaginary "good girls" in a pedestal to the point that he rejected a girl because she didn't want to kiss him or labeled "cum-receptacle" another just because she dated a Turkish guy.

Again, that's really not the way to get a wife. You want one? Then go with the mentality of meeting as many girls as possible, and knowing them. THEN decide what you want them for. Just sex? Cool. Long distance relationship? Great. Marriage? Awesome. But going with the "I want a wife" mindset will probably get you a girl who will treat you like a tool. Neediness it's very easily detected by girls.

Quote: (09-02-2014 05:01 AM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

If you combine all of these factors, you will find less than 5 countries. Some examples, among others, are places like Tajikistan and Vietnam. But Ukraine is not the place.

Yet a month ago you claimed Vietnam was filled with "carousel riders"?

Quote: (09-03-2014 01:37 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

Quote: (09-03-2014 12:52 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

@LuckyLuke Take a look at women you know personally. Of the highly promiscuous women you know how many actually stay faithful to their boyfriends or husband's? I know tons of sluts, almost all of them are either not very faithful to or unsatisfied with monogamy when they enter relationships. I only know 1 ho whose ever turned into a housewife.

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It's logical to think that there's a correlation between sexual promiscuity before and after marriage and there very well might be, but it'd be interesting to know what the threshold is. There are people who are naturally promiscuous and others who are promiscuous due to circumstance (such as having very promiscuous friends, being in college and other reasons).

What I didn't like about the OP and the ensuing debate was the "I WANT A WIFE" mentality because that's not the way you'll get one, at least if you use the traditional date-pick up method and not a mail-in bride company. It reeks of neediness. The OP put his imaginary "good girls" in a pedestal to the point that he rejected a girl because she didn't want to kiss him or labeled "cum-receptacle" another just because she dated a Turkish guy.

Again, that's really not the way to get a wife. You want one? Then go with the mentality of meeting as many girls as possible, and knowing them. THEN decide what you want them for. Just sex? Cool. Long distance relationship? Great. Marriage? Awesome. But going with the "I want a wife" mindset will probably get you a girl who will treat you like a tool. Neediness it's very easily detected by girls.

Of course, in the dating process, neediness is a fault, for all the reasons you say. But check your premises - American? Check. Equalitarian? Check. Populist notions of romance in marriage? Check.

However, for the older men offering hypergamy (ie, marrying up in class) to the younger, maybe much younger as in OPs case (and mine), it can work because upper income resources are scare and desirable in poorer countries.

America has lost all respect for hypergamy, which is the normal, natural need of good women of ambition and self-respect (cf, the novels and movies of Jane Austin, set in the early to middle 19th century). And in the case of Ukraine, especially, but much of EE generally, this is a throughly respectable aim.

IS there a threshold between loyal mate and promiscuous one?
Without checking the article I posted to, I think it's between 3 and 5 lovers.

But you'll never really know, unless she wants you to know!
(YUP - damn be-atch-es!)

"There are people who are naturally promiscuous and others who are promiscuous due to circumstance (such as having very promiscuous friends, being in college and other reasons)."

The company a woman keeps is telling in American dating.

I believe there was a nomadmatt post (or something) on identifying sluts, it was if she doesn't have many female friends - mostly male friends - and if she uses "Bitches" self-referentially a lot - then she's definitely a slut. Now I didn't originate this insight, but is remains sound, I think. (Hey, if no one fills this in, just google it - I'm sure it can be found.) I recall that some women agreed with it, too.

I have no idea if this criterion translates to Britain (maybe simply stupid drunkenness is enough, there), but I doubt it does to the European Continent. But in the USA - Hell, yeah.

Quote: (09-02-2014 11:07 PM)Orson Wrote:  

In addition to all this news, there is a finding that women grow bored with sex in a stable relationship much faster than a man does.

Quote: (09-02-2014 11:26 PM)Orson Wrote:  

But, for men, the number of partners a man they appeared to have no bearing on how satisfied they felt within a marriage.

Ignoring that the sources are the New York Post and Daily Mail, has anyone here found this to be true?

That after you reached 20, 50, 100+ notches that your craving for sexual variety actually became weaker than when you were a virgin or otherwise sexually inexperienced?

Where did they get these figures? When and how did they get most of their notches? It's way too general.

And it seems to fly directly in the face of most manosphere/game teachings and I'm guessing most guy's personal experience, as well.

Quote: (09-02-2014 09:38 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

HAHAHAHAHAHA, "The Social Pathologist has crunched numbers"??? What kind of quackery is that? Please give me a real study, not an absurd article from a blog.

You're not likely to last long here with that sort of attitude. If you bothered to click on the link you'd have easily found the original study:

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The paper data and methods can be found here. Premarital Sex, Premarital Cohabitation, and the Risk of Subsequent. Marital Dissolution Among Women

Give some concrete criticism on methodology instead of having a fit.

As for number of partners, you're right that it is character traits, not the number of partners, that causes a divorce. The number of partners is just a strong indicator of those traits. Exceptions obviously exist (for example, look at this sweet virgin who is more likely to cuckold and divorce-rape you than many sluts with huge numbers). How is that news?

Quote: (09-03-2014 02:28 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Quote: (09-02-2014 09:38 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

HAHAHAHAHAHA, "The Social Pathologist has crunched numbers"??? What kind of quackery is that? Please give me a real study, not an absurd article from a blog.

You're not likely to last long here with that sort of attitude. If you bothered to click on the link you'd have easily found the original study:

Quote:Quote:

The paper data and methods can be found here. Premarital Sex, Premarital Cohabitation, and the Risk of Subsequent. Marital Dissolution Among Women

Give some concrete criticism on methodology instead of having a fit.

As for number of partners, you're right that it is character traits, not the number of partners, that causes a divorce. The number of partners is just a strong indicator of those traits. Exceptions obviously exist (for example, look at this sweet virgin who is more likely to cuckold and divorce-rape you than many sluts with huge numbers). How is that news?

I don't want to get into a he said/he said debate because that's not the point, but if you bothered to check the rest of my posts (in this thread, or any other) you'd see that that particular reply came from the fact that OnlyMarryinTajikistan said that I was giving "terrible advice" and stated that "Science and statistic has proven it many times", and then proceeded to direct me to a post that was based in a quite biased interpretation of a study (done in the US). Maybe I did overreact though in this case and I apologise, but the fact of the matter is still the same.

As I said, even if it might sound logical, I'm not entirely sure that female promiscuity in a younger age has a strong correlation with promiscuity in marriage (which has to be the indicator here, not divorce, as divorce can occur for entirely different reasons), and I am even less sure that promiscuity in a younger age is related with determinate character traits. What are those by the way?

Again, I also believe we should be talking about thresholds, how much is too much?

Quote: (09-03-2014 02:23 AM)Orson Wrote:  

However, for the older men offering hypergamy (ie, marrying up in class) to the younger, maybe much younger as in OPs case (and mine), it can work because upper income resources are scare and desirable in poorer countries.

Absolutely, and that's actually the way it works almost anywhere, even in the States, even if it is for purely evolutionary reasons. In FSU it's even more accentuated, as it has been a beacon for those cultures for ages.

However, that doesn't mean that you'll have a good marriage or the girl will be faithful to you. She will be faithful to your money to an extent, and then she might still cheat on you with a younger man, to whom she's physically attracted to. I have had sex with quite a few EE girls who were either married, on a long-term relationship or had a sugar daddy.

That's why I insist that the mindset has to be to game the girl, not to look for a wife per se. Even if you're much older (and I'm 37 now, dating two 21 year old girls at the moment), you still need to be looked upon as a desirable man for his traits, not just for the economic security you can provide to a woman, because the risks of being treated as a tool are just too high.

The OP should keep in mind that if he is dating Eastern women who have travelled to the US on their own volition, he is dealing with pre-qualified sluts.

I agree with the premise that women lose the ability to bond once they have experienced a handful of sexual partners, even if in relationships. In Russia there is no stigma against talking about prior relationships, so one may easily dig into a girl's history. They generally won't tell you their notch count until after sleeping with them, but even before that, it's possible to gain a rough idea by asking indirectly.

The main reason I would not look for an 'eternal' wife in Russia is that such a concept has never existed in Russian Orthodoxy. The Church has always permitted up to three marriages, with certain conditions. This is completely at odds with the Catholic concept of marriage and idea that the partners become one when they are married.

In any case, I think the game tactics that most of us deploy are not effective in the search for a wife. Game teaches us to eliminate women who we can't conquer through game and short-term biological attraction. As a result, we are left with the low-hanging fruit from a marriage perspective.

Quote: (09-01-2014 10:00 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

And then her mouth opens, but not in the good way to which I have become accustomed. She tell me tells me her last bf was a turkish man from USA. At this point, the "from the USA" part if irrelevant. She has embraced the dark side. Ok, there is nothing wrong with that, unless of course she ever wanted to date a white man again .It takes a special women who dates outside their normal ethnic circles (which I do as a matter of course) but every chick I know who does that is either messed up in some way or just got herpes from Kareem. It aint worth the risk for me, so I leave these somewhat soiled beauties for men with more fortitude.

If this is not race trolling, I don't know what is. It's a shame that RVF embraces such people. ''Dating outside their normal ethnic circle'' this guy sounds like one of Hitler's race theorists. And dating a Turk is embracing dark side and a sure way of catching herpes, no matter if he is American? I hope Roosh realizes this kind of includes him too.

It's that time of month again.

Without racebateing too much, Ukranian/Russian girls are traditional and have been indoctrinated with the equivalence of 8 hrs a day of Princessy Disney Cartoons and fantasize about getting a husband with a very specific appearance, genetic background, nationality, social status and money.
I would say this reality also holds true for other traditional cultures in India and the middle-east. However, I wouldn't suggest this to be explicit forms of racism, despite that regions history of fascist views.

The same can't be said for other parts of the FSU and Central Europe, who appear more open and have various fantasies about western Europe and being more 'open'.

A Russian or Ukranian girl who is willing to date outside this preference usually has traits or relationship background or life-experience that has made her want to step outside her own 'traditions'..... however this logic is completely inapplicable to how Russian girls behave 'on tour' in Greek Islands, Spain, Italy.. in which any male with enough frame control can insert his sperm into the 'female sex tourist'.

It's extremely foolish to pedestalize Russian and Ukranian girls as being marriage material for men simply because they have higher attention spans and exhibit feminine behaviors. Russian and Ukranian girls at least have a glimpse of their social value external to their own "repressive 'commie' shit-holes". They are not dumb. They know that they can be models in Western Europe and get bottle service at VIP lounges. They understand this. Yet they are torn between this world of hedonistic pleasure and their princess fantasy of finding a husband.

So their entire reality is a pendulum motion between these two realities, and as a result they have a kind of bi-polarity, making them more mercenary than Western European women. While scandinavian girls have more progressive view points towards gender, feminism and marriage, and exhibit similar levels of slutdom as your typical American girl (although no where near as traumatic and blurry), you at least have kind of grounding of expectations as to how she will behave.

With Slavic girls, you will experience cognitive dissonance of the highest order.

The dates are mostly one dimensional: Girls will ask you resume style questions as to whether you're in the country for the long term (as to see if you pass the criteria of not being a sex tourist), they will then ask you specific questions to see if you pass the boyfriend criteria test, while cushioning this with more gentle serene soft expressions of femininity. There are also some girls, like the ones you meet, who have no issue with expressing their explicit sexual history with men with little consideration of basic social etiquette. Once you've seen this type of girl, you'll realise they're about as sociopathic as their western sisters.

In many ways its a giant illusion or performance, that is lacking in authenticity. Many posters on here aren't equipped or oblivious or inexperienced to make conclusions on this behavior because they've only been on <10 dates. So obviously, this 'performance' will make the dry mouthed/bland-eyed western-european girl seem completely lackluster and 'masculinized' in the process.

Russian girls have an 'all or nothing' attitude, they will leave with zero feelings attached and move and begin the 'performance' routine on another male. There is no residue of empathy. For this reason, the stereotype of old James Bond films and spy movies holds true. They're mercenary as fuck.

There is no real exception to this. The only exception is if a girl doesn't understand her social value relative to some 'global standard'. And unfortunately with access to instagram, vk and facebook, most girls have access to information about their social potential in an extremely exaggerated form - 200k followers on instagram... making the hamster spin over time.

I think men need to adjust their expectations of women around this part of the world. They're no longer sheltered jewels hidden from the sun in some siberian forest, looking for some basic companionship.

Quote: (09-02-2014 09:38 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

HAHAHAHAHAHA, "The Social Pathologist has crunched numbers"??? What kind of quackery is that? Please give me a real study, not an absurd article from a blog. For generations and generations people have thought that cold weather provoke cough and fever, hence the term "cold", and it's completely wrong. Solid evidence, please.

You do not need some study to publish results to come to conclusions. It's simple and logical.

- All sexual activity involves some kind of trauma.

- A woman who engages in sexual intercourse has a part of her feminine aura 'sapped' from her.

- Desire works in a economic way -- If we have access to a Ukranian girl, why bother with an American? In the same way, why would an American girl settle with Plumber Joe when she's had Quarterback Cock.

- Everything depends on exaggerated social value. American males have pessimistic views about their own social value because they continuously get rejected left, right and center... while on the other hand, American women have distorted perceptions of social value: she has flings with the Quarter back which she presumes could be a real and authentic relationship.

- Exaggerated social value after sexual comodifcation results in a translation of the Ego.

- For the slanted Feminine ego which continuously perceives itself as having euphoric sexual value, settling down is the like trying to domesticate a tiger.

- Most of us want to hamsterize ourselves and pretend that she's still a kitten or that we can tame the tiger with our sophisticated alpha prowess.

- But an exaggerated Ego is extremely difficult to defuse. Heartise for example is trying to advocate the use of jealousy traps to ensure the girl remains 'whipped', but all we are really trying to do is re-create the euphoria of the initial roller coaster she experienced when first jumping on the cock-carousel.

- The result is: Eat Pray Love

Quote: (09-03-2014 02:06 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Quote: (09-02-2014 05:01 AM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

If you combine all of these factors, you will find less than 5 countries. Some examples, among others, are places like Tajikistan and Vietnam. But Ukraine is not the place.

Yet a month ago you claimed Vietnam was filled with "carousel riders"?

And Tajikistan is a Muslim country. Muslim men are allowed to marry Christian or Jewish women. Muslim women cannot marry non Muslim men, as per Muslim religion.

You should perhaps change your handle to:

BecomeMuslimandmarryinTajikistan