Quote: (09-18-2014 09:48 AM)reco2100 Wrote:
Traveler that was definetly helpful. I am older than most guys on here 50 but still occasionally pull women 25ish, and get women in their 30's not a great age for American women.
I am a. If proponent of roissey's claim that you have to game your wife just like single women. I am an amatuer at gaming single women to pickup. But have been very successful at gaming a wife. I was at the bottom and was able to successfully work my way into a dominant position in about a year. So it does work. Doing this with Ukrainian women I believe would be similar?
Also one other note I have heard folks quoting stats garnerd from the US state department visas that international marriages have an 80% success rate vs domestic at 50%.
Not sure how valid accurate either number is. It does seem that red pill men seem to have the magic bullet that gets them more pussy making even harder for them to do the work and commit.
I do not read Roissey much or at all really, just from what I hear second hand through you guys. He is 100% absolutely correct. Game is essential for all relationships. I am on my second marriage. I use game all the time on my Chinese wife. It does not feel like work either. It's natural now. I only seem to notice my use of game techniques if it is quiet and I am sitting on the coach self reflecting. I control and direct the whole ship, that is my family without it feeling like any kind of struggle at all. My wife knows my rules through and through. She knows my game. She knows I could replace her in the drop of a hat. She knows all my tricks, which also means that she knows she cannot stop me either. She has no intentions of doing that but nevertheless, she is aware. Awareness is pretty much all you need. A wife that would require alot more game than that, is not really wife material in my opinion because that means she lacks traditional wife role values and background via her family. That's another reason why women from broken homes make terrible wives in my opinion.
Gaming a wife vs a single woman is nothing different like in my above post from a ideological perspective. The nuts and bolts of the techniques may change a small amount. For example, I no longer show my now wife and past Chinese girlfriends pictures of my other girls or let them see all my female friends on my Chinese type of Facebook, to demonstrate my level of appeal to their pretty peers, etc. Nowadays when pretty girls try to add me to my profile (I have removed all others), my wife sees it on my phone or I point it out and laugh at it. Shit like that. I probably only needed to do that once, but a subtle reminder never hurts. I actually cannot remember the last time I have done that, our marriage is so good that would be a waste of time right now. That's just a small example of the subtle change in game techniques for single vs marriage. The overall concept is still the same.
All women, especially spoiled Westerners, want what they cannot have. Displays of jealousy from others are an everyday event while we live here in the US. I do not have to do anything to reinforce that I am a man of value. Game involves environment as well as techniques. In China, the jealousy is even worse. That is why if you live there, your woman has to do more than just merely be on her best behavior, she has to fend off the leeches and other bitches that want a piece of you. That is why guys with no game strongly prefer to strut around Asia like a boss in some lazy fashion with their broad on their arm. It gives them immense pre-validation game to the max without work needed.
I cannot vouch for game's viability on Ukrainian women, but it would be cool if you would be the first RVF pioneer for that, like how Badwolf was the first white Canadian guy with a Chinese wife here and me being the first black guy with a Chinese wife. It should all work the same for the most part, except all game must be structured around their cultural environment as well. In other words, don't use my Chinese specific game tips in my dating guide on a Ukrainian woman and expect it to work 100% (like hong bao stuff). You can use the other general techniques but only as a base and just fine tune it to meet the specific needs of those women.
All men can game forever. Game is not just something used only for women by young men. Game is called Social Engineering in the hacking world. Game is all encompassing. Social Circle Game involves dudes and men too because let's be realistic here, most circles include some guys as well, and you have to know how to manipulate all of them in there to help keep the females straight as well. A rogue male can fuck up a good social circle very quickly if you cannot establish leadership and take control of the situation in front of the females, without offending them in the process.
Some people here did not believe Roosh when he said Game would have saved Elliot the serial killers life. Roosh was 100% correct. Unfortunately Elliot Rodger was a Game Denalist. Most guys here, especially Tuthmosis because he instabans them, know that Game Denialists are naturally incapable of using self-improvement. Self improvement and game are mutually exclusive. You cannot have one without the other. Since you were willing to try game to improve your marriage, you saw the improvement from your persistence in making it work. Use the same work effort towards Ukraine women. Put in the work and time and that tree should bear fruit. If it does not, pull back and figure out what went wrong, then go back and fix it. I used all kinds of outside-the-box methods when dating Chinese women because there was not alot of help out there for black guys online. I did not let the surface difficult prevent me from getting the success I wanted. I just knuckled down harder on my inner game.
The stats on K1 Visa marriages lasting much longer than domestic regular marriages is definitely true. The comforts of Western living with a traditional wife with good Eastern values is extremely hard to beat. I know about 3 handfuls of couples that have done this now and they all love it and are afraid to tell others because they fear jealousy. I have an old boss that has a Lithuanian wife and he says she is the best thing in the world that has ever happened to him and he is in his late 40s and she is much younger. He told me all this in whispers with the door closed. It's like we stole some famous artwork and we cannot tell anyone. Badwolf once told me that I must be in heaven over there (in the US) with a Chinese wife and I couldn't lie, it certainly feels like at least a slice of heaven at a bare minimum.
Every guy here at some point is going to feel the itch to slow it down a notch or several. Let them decide when. RVF guys and the Manosphere are going to grow up together whether we want to or not. This is all new territory for red-pill men and with that comes nervousness and fear. We can help each other out and provide support and leadership, but none of us can do these things for each other. If one of your roles/goals is going to be as a leader for the younger men, I would suggest you take up the torch and trail-blaze it, then document it, then provide support on it for the younger and newer red-pill men of the future. Defeating Feminism and it's vile counterparts will require action on our parts. Children, marriages, alliances with religious people, writing, entrepreneurship, etc. We cannot complain about it forever.
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