Quote: (08-27-2014 08:44 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

A couple experiences I had on airplanes in the past year or so where I felt a little bad after, and some of you could probably think I acted like a dick, but fuck other people's ineptitude should not inconvenience me.

1. I had a Southwest flight I had to board. They don't have assigned seats, so its everyone for themselves. I saw a lot of fatties in the waiting area, so my blood pressure was up (fucking hate having a fatty pressed up against me for 2 hours). So we board, and of course the aisle and window seats fill up first. I keep going down the aisle until I get to the very last row, and there is the final aisle seat available and I take it and feel relieved. The only remaining seats left were middle seats. Some women comes up and asks me to move because she is traveling with her little kid and they need to sit next to each other. I told her that she should have made arrangements with Southwest beforehand. I also said I heard them make announcements while we were waiting that people with small children could board first, so she should have done that. She said I should move. I said I'm not going to sit in a middle seat due to her poor planning. She said what is she suppose to do then. I said why do you assume your problem is now mine to solve? I told her to talk to the flight attendant and she left in a huff.

2. I'm waiting in line for security. They have multiple TSA stations to check your boarding pass and ID after the first single line, it splits into several lines for the X ray machines. I have this older couple in front of me. I see the wife is a lallygagger. Her lack of urgency on getting through the line is annoying me. She has too many bags, and she is stopping to fish through stuff and so on, and keeping the line from moving. She seems clueless about traveling and has no concern for getting through quickly and efficiently. After I get through the first line and in line for the Xray, I notice the husband ends up in front of me and she ends up behind me. I think, well at least she is behind me because she would drive me mad with all those bags, and she is doing nothing to take her shoes off and take things out of her pocket to speed up the process. Slow poke. She taps me on the shoulder "excuse me, can I get in front of you so I can be next to my husband?" I was in no mood to wait and stew behind her while she lallygags plus I had to catch my flight. I said "it won't make a difference you have to wait on the other side for him regardless." She said "yeah, but I want to be next to him so can you let me in front of you?" I said "well, you can ask him to move behind me just as easy and then you can be together right?" She just looked at me clueless and says "yes, but he is in front of you and won't want to give up his spot in line." I didn't move for her and ignored her from there on.

Underlying both my examples is society's assumption that healthy men should give up their comfort for the comfort of people with children or women. I was traveling alone on business in both cases. The assumption underlying both women that asked me to move is that I matter less than them because I'm a man traveling alone. They felt entitled to cold approach me and ask me to give up something so that they can get something they want. The fucking gall.

I'd probably be more chivalrous in another date or another time. But in our busted culture, I'm suppose to be subservient to busted up hags and single moms nursing from the gubmint teet, because I matter less. Fuck them.

They want equality, I'll give them fucking equality.

I was at an airport recently and it was one where you need to take a tram from one terminal to another, then go up the escalator. I noticed as I went up the escalator that it was kind of narrow.

After eating I noticed the escalator was fenced off. I saw a security guy move the fence and walk down the stopped escalator and I heard him say "too narrow?"

So I look down the escalator and saw a fat guy jammed in the bottom of the escalator and looking distressed. I don't know exactly what happened but apparently the escalator was too narrow and he got twisted and jammed up, and that stopped the escalator.

Had it been a fat broad, I probably would have snuck a pic and started a humorous thread on RVF.

This is a pretty good story, from today's news:

NORAD fighter jets escort airliner after disruptive behavior

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TORONTO — Two Canadian women are facing charges after authorities say they drank their duty free alcohol in the flight's bathroom, triggered the fire alarm with a cigarette and got into a fight each other, forcing a Sunwing flight bound for Cuba to return to Toronto under a military escort.

Peel Region police Thursday said Lilia Ratmanski, 25, and Milana Muzikante, 26, have been charged with smoking on board an aircraft and endangering its safety.

The airline said the flight had left Toronto late Wednesday afternoon at 4:30 when it was disrupted by "two unruly female passengers."

Sunwing vice-president Janine Chapman said the passengers had consumed a "significant quantity of their duty-free alcohol purchase in the lavatory."

She said they lit a cigarette, triggering the smoke alarm, and "proceeded to get into a physical altercation with each other and made a threat against the aircraft."

NORAD said it scrambled two CF-18 fighter jets based out of Bagotville, Quebec, to escort Flight 656 back to Toronto.

Yet another fight over reclining seats (second in a week).

Full story and video here.

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Legroom Wars: Another Plane Diverted After Reclining Seat Fight

For the second time this week, clashes over shrinking legroom on a commercial airplane made tempers so hot that a flight had to be diverted from its intended destination.

The two incidents were part of a cluster of flight diversions this week, with the most recent one occurring just hours after two women allegedly consumed mass quantities of duty-free liquor on a plane, prompting a fighter jet escort back to Canada.

As planes have become more packed, flight attendants say they have seen an increase in unruly passenger incidents.

Guys, I hate longass flights and soon I have a 11 hour flight.
What are you using if you want to pass out during the flight, I would love to sleep away the whole flight. But it's impossible for me. I would buy anything that could help me.

U.S. passport control, TSA, or homeland security are definitely mostly cunts. At LAX it looks like they recruit TSA people straight from the hood or barrios. There's usually not a single respectable looking person amongst them.


If you're in Indonesia just go ahead and avoid Lion Air/Wings. You will thank me for this. It's cheaper than Garuda but the money you save is not worth the bullshit. Always pay extra and fly Garuda.

On one trip to Sorong in West Papua from Jakarta I had counter staff who didn't speak a lick of english and didn't know how to process my foreign passport. I can understand staff not understanding how to do shit in the boonies but this was Jarkata a supposedly international airport.

Lion Air flight was constantly delayed with weird gate changes. Plus this airline had few people who spoke english and they didn't always update the screen. So you had to basically ask other passengers.

You will have dozens of country bumpkins with 2-3 boxes of product they plan on taking to their province. They all end up paying excess weight fees and you may end up behind some huge lines.

The airline has a real shoddy safety rating which I found out later.

On one leg of my trip the connection time was <15 minutes as soon as the flight landed. I had to run to the connecting gate and found out you have to pay a connection fee at some rinky dink service desk which once again had dozens of country bumpkins crammed in front with no queue. They are supposed to wait for all passengers on the connecting flight even if the connection is late but it's Indonesia..they must decide to leave anyways. When I got there the plane was literally starting to fire up the prop before I ran on.

Assigned seating is something we take for granted. However Indonesians often just sit wherever they want on these budget flights even if it's full. I asked one surly farmer looking dude to (politely) get out of my seat. He didn't budge so I had to ask the attendant to move this asshole which she thankfully did.

Quote: (08-29-2014 12:56 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

If you're in Indonesia just go ahead and avoid Lion Air/Wings. You will thank me for this. It's cheaper than Garuda but the money you save is not worth the bullshit. Always pay extra and fly Garuda.

Very true. The only Yogyakarta-Bandung service is run by Wings, unfortunately. I have so little faith in them that whenever possible I find an excuse to go to Jakarta just to avoid them and take Garuda, even though it means a 2-3 hour drive to or from Bandung.

Quote: (08-29-2014 12:49 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

Guys, I hate longass flights and soon I have a 11 hour flight.
What are you using if you want to pass out during the flight, I would love to sleep away the whole flight. But it's impossible for me. I would buy anything that could help me.

I have trouble sleeping on long flights sometimes. My go-to cocktail is 1mg Xanax (or 5mg Ambien) + 75mg Benadryl + 1.5mg Melatonin. It's not always necessary to take all 3, but if you want to be guaranteed knocked the fuck out that's what I'd advise. Also don't drink if you're gonna take all that shit haha.

The melatonin is especially useful for helping you deal with jetlag since it works by resetting the part of the brain that's responsible for the sleep-wake cycle.

^ how are you feeling when you wake up?
Are you functionable?

Quote: (08-29-2014 01:45 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

^ how are you feeling when you wake up?
Are you functionable?

I wouldn't advise it unless your flight is at least 8 hours long. The Xanax/Ambien in particular takes a while to get out of your system. But yeah, with that important caveat I usually wake up feeling pretty refreshed.

Quote: (08-27-2014 06:31 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Planes are now mass transit. They're just big buses with wings. Every poor scumbag can afford to fly these days. That's why they created first class ...to shield the all important people from the cattle.

And not only is it mass transit, but the allure and glamour or working as a air hostess or on ground crew isn't the same as yesteryear.

A lot of airline staff actually work for contractors with their travel perks and benefits being not as grand as they once were. They have the uniform on but they actually work for a company. Its no excuse for rudeness on their part either but I think an influence.

As well, airports are very sensitive environments, and cause a lot of people stress. Stressed out, selfish, obnoxious and sometimes drunk passengers meets unmotivated, disillusioned staff is bound to end up in some confrontations.

See it all to often. But a lot of guys here seem to have some strategies in place to deal with it so they travel with minimum fuss.

Quote: (08-27-2014 06:31 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Planes are now mass transit. They're just big buses with wings. Every poor scumbag can afford to fly these days. That's why they created first class ...to shield the all important people from the cattle.

Maybe domestically.

A flight from the US to Asia or Europe could easily set you back $800-$1200+ dollars. Most people can't afford that, thankfully.

Things that chap my ass about the arrogant TSA pricks:

1. The fat obnoxious women who yell at you to enter the stupid feeder lines, and treat you like you're an idiot. "You can go to window number 3, now!" Yeah, right. Go fuck yourself. This, after a 9 hour flight from Brazil. They treat us like ignorant cattle.
2. Stupid rules on filling out those customs forms.
3. Asinine questions from some suspicious prick probing into why I go to Brazil so often. As if I have to justify myself to him.

I have been Cabin Crew now for nearly 8 years and yes overtime it's definitely got worse. The me,me,me attitude amongst 300 others sat on a metal tube really is disturbing at times especially when 50 or so are all acting the same. Don't get me wrong there are some great people out there. It also depends on where folks are from. In my experience the Americans,Brits,Indians and Nigerians are the worst. The best well of course the Japanese and the HKG Chinese.

Quote: (08-29-2014 12:56 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

avoid Lion Air

Seconded, Thai Lion Air(same company) still owes me $150 for a canceled flight 6 months ago, terrible airline, decent looking flight attendants though so still better than American.

Quote: (08-29-2014 09:09 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Things that chap my ass about the arrogant TSA pricks:

1. The fat obnoxious women who yell at you to enter the stupid feeder lines, and treat you like you're an idiot. "You can go to window number 3, now!" Yeah, right. Go fuck yourself. This, after a 9 hour flight from Brazil. They treat us like ignorant cattle.
2. Stupid rules on filling out those customs forms.
3. Asinine questions from some suspicious prick probing into why I go to Brazil so often. As if I have to justify myself to him.

I wonder how replying "because I like big Butts and I cannot lie" will fare with a customs or immigration agent would fare.


Better yet: "cause I love pussy"

Second worst immigration/passport control behind the U.S. has to go to Thailand though. I've encountered some extreme cunts there as well. One officer actually tossed my passport back at me with a grunt after flipping through it to check stamps. I'm always polite to these people too. I would have paid money to punch this fucker in his smug face.

Quote: (08-30-2014 08:29 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2014 09:09 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Things that chap my ass about the arrogant TSA pricks:

1. The fat obnoxious women who yell at you to enter the stupid feeder lines, and treat you like you're an idiot. "You can go to window number 3, now!" Yeah, right. Go fuck yourself. This, after a 9 hour flight from Brazil. They treat us like ignorant cattle.
2. Stupid rules on filling out those customs forms.
3. Asinine questions from some suspicious prick probing into why I go to Brazil so often. As if I have to justify myself to him.

I wonder how replying "because I like big Butts and I cannot lie" will fare with a customs or immigration agent would fare.


Better yet: "cause I love pussy"

Seriously, I would not fuck with them. They can throw you into an interrogation room for a couple hours with little to no justification. They know they can get away with this which is why they act like dicks.

Quote: (08-29-2014 12:49 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

Guys, I hate longass flights and soon I have a 11 hour flight.
What are you using if you want to pass out during the flight, I would love to sleep away the whole flight. But it's impossible for me. I would buy anything that could help me.

Pack everything well in advance and get every little thing ready, then stay up all night and don't sleep. I did this for a 10 hour flight and must have slept 7-8 of them. If you want to be really sure you'll sleep then stay up and get drunk. You'll sober in the morning but be dead tired once you get in your seat.

Quote: (08-29-2014 09:09 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Things that chap my ass about the arrogant TSA pricks:

1. The fat obnoxious women who yell at you to enter the stupid feeder lines, and treat you like you're an idiot. "You can go to window number 3, now!" Yeah, right. Go fuck yourself. This, after a 9 hour flight from Brazil. They treat us like ignorant cattle.
2. Stupid rules on filling out those customs forms.
3. Asinine questions from some suspicious prick probing into why I go to Brazil so often. As if I have to justify myself to him.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but the agents working in customs and immigration at US airports aren't part of the TSA. They work for the US Customs and Border Protection Agency.

That reminds me that once there was some hippie-looking dude acting rude on my flight to the US. He pushed my family and I out of the way in order to get off the plane quicker. When I got to the passport check area, I pointed him out to the lady who was directing traffic (probably the same one telling you "Go to window #3!") and told her that he was rude to my family on the plane. She said something to one of her coworkers and when he was passing through customs they took him aside and opened his suitcase. They found he was carrying too many cartons of cigarettes and fined him.

I fly a lot and have definately noticed this in the past 15 years. Its like people just turn their brains off. With regards to security they do anything that's asked, regardless of what it has to do with security. Then once actually on the plane it's only about them. I never understood the mad rush once the 'ding' goes off after landing. You stand up and grab your bags. OK, you still have to wait 5-10 mins while they attach the jet bridge. It's not like you're moving anywheres before the front of the plane, or the people in your row closer to the aisle starts getting off. And even then what, its a race to see who can wait the longest for the bags to show up?

I can get where TSA and homeland security is comeing from. That to me seems like a gruelling job. Literally a human production line. Hit a button, next in line. Not much different that putting doors on a car for 8 hours at the GM plant IMO. However, Europe and Asian agents never really ever seemed to give me hassles coming in.

I flew Lion Air a lot, and really didn't mind it. That said, I lived between rural and urban Indonesia for 2.5 years, speak enough to get by so the language isn't an issue, know how Indonesian airports work, and have seen enough retarded shit from Indonesians that maybe this stuff just doesn't phase me any more. Where else can you book a 90 minute flight for like $35? I booked a flight on the wrong day once and didn't show up. When I found out, it cost like $11 to change it after the fact for a flight that day. No BS $150 fees, hassles, or on hold for 3 hours like you deal with in the west.

My pet theory on all of this is that Indoneisans just aren't that educated, and its still a fairly corrupt country. They killed off a good number of edcated professionals in the revolution 50 years back, and I think society as a whole suffered from that. Exercises in logic which are second nature to you or me, are completely baffling to many there. Such as if you don't have to fuck around getting ppl into the right seats, or have a picture parade of people who have to take a picture of themselves in front of the airplane, then you get there sooner. But, I guess if you make $1000 a year and have never flown in your 50 year life, maybe it is a big deal. The vast majority of these people are operating from a frame you or I simply can't imagine.

3rd reclining incident. Plane diverted.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/travel/air...diversion/

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Another day, another fight about reclining seats on a U.S. airline flight.

In the third serious airline legroom incident in two weeks, an angry passenger caused yet another flight to divert Monday night.
Delta Air Lines Flight 2370 from New York's LaGuardia Airport to West Palm Beach, Florida, was rerouted to Jacksonville, Florida. A passenger became irate about the traveler in front of her trying to recline her seat, a fellow passenger told CNN affiliate WPTV.

"This woman who was sitting next to me knitting actually just tried reclining her seat back," passenger Aaron Klipin said. "The woman behind her started screaming and swearing and then a flight attendant came over and that just exacerbated what was going on and then she demanded that the flight land."

According to this chart:http://www.seatguru.com/charts/longhaul_economy.php#chart (sort by pitch), Americans are actually spoiled for leg room with a couple more inches on United, American, Delta. Only KLM of the European can compare.

The only time I stand up to make sure people don't cut in front of me are when I have to make a connection. However, I don't mad rush to the front. I just make sure rows behind me don't cut in front of me. I pick seats near the front for a reason.

Honestly i've cut in front at the landing (or at least tried to unsuccessfully) a few times.

One time I had no carry-ons, had just finished a 22 hours flight from Beirut to the US (emirates never again), and had barely an hour or so to catch connecting flight. I rushed and managed to gain a few meters but theres always someone who stands up and takes forever to unload his suitcases in which case ill just stand and wait behind them like an idiot.

But usually im very laid back and prefer to let others pass

Quote: (09-04-2014 02:57 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

Honestly i've cut in front at the landing (or at least tried to unsuccessfully) a few times.

One time I had no carry-ons, had just finished a 22 hours flight from Beirut to the US (emirates never again), and had barely an hour or so to catch connecting flight. I rushed and managed to gain a few meters but theres always someone who stands up and takes forever to unload his suitcases in which case ill just stand and wait behind them like an idiot.

But usually im very laid back and prefer to let others pass

In that case, I explained my situation to the flight attendant, and the crew announced to the passengers to remain seated until the people with tight connections had gotten off first. The problem with this is on international flights in which some of the passengers don't understand the language of the crew (or they are Chinese tourists) and get up anyway. Once a big group of people get up, the rest of the passengers say, "F-this" and they get up also and you're screwed.