Quote: (08-13-2014 09:08 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I would not have sex at all costs until this is done.

Be beta, say this is all weighing on you just be friendly show a little affection.

Sex may backfire, she may bond more to you her in head and think this could be the man I wake up next to everyday that is the father of my child.

Be beta! Don't hit it!

As said before if she ends up going through with it you need to be ready to walk away from her if she goes crazy fast. Also no matter how much you like the girl if she gets the big A the cards are heavily stacked against you going forward with her.

Yeah you're right, she came over last night and we didn't have sex (I blamed being full as fuck after dinner and a slamming headache as an excuse)

Quote: (08-13-2014 09:08 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

I've been raw dogging a girl for six months. Lately, I've been fantasizing about cumming inside her (always pull out). I've been obsessed with it. She's been trying to get me to do it. Sometimes when she sees I'm about to cum she'll say something to try and get me to do it.

Anyways, I'm glad I saw this thread. Ixnay on the eampiecray.

Yeah dude, take my experience as a lesson, wrap your shit up ASAP

Quote: (08-13-2014 09:40 PM)kosko Wrote:  

No such things as a "planned pregnancy". Raw Dog method is only 100% effective/or fail, I can't think of anything else which such staked odds.

The gods shined on you by rescuing you from a woman whom does not value natural life. But the Raw Dog Gods struck you down with a lightning bolt, take the measures to make sure this shit does not happen again.

All the best to you.

I think she values life, but she values hers and mine more than the pregnancy. Yeah I'm buying a shit ton of condoms. No matter how good it feels, it's not worth the 18 years, money, and time for a child. (At least right now) Thanks for the support Kosko.

Quote: (08-13-2014 11:17 PM)JohnKreese Wrote:  

Quote: (08-13-2014 11:56 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (08-13-2014 11:48 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Seriously guys I know Raw Dog glory is rampant, but really:

Use a condom and pull out or get snipped.

Good luck with the process hopefully everything is smooth. At least it is with an 8 and not a fat slump buster.

Ironically we all just talked about this in the "I need to stop rawdogging (srs)" thread.

I think I'm going to get snipped, I have no idea where to go and how much it is though.

I definitely need to pullout and/or use condoms. Fuck man.

Thread I started about my vasectomy experience, but be sure to take some of the negatives that others have mentioned into consideration as well.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-31369.html

Just read it, doesn't seem too bad and decently priced. I think I'll wait a few years before deciding if I'd like to do that. Thanks for the read.

So what's the consensus here?

Birth Control Pill + Condom + Pull Out = Great Success?

I've been assuming all you raw doggers (like me) are talking about pulling out with girls who are already on the pill.

Or is it just safer to not trust that she's taking the pill or not trust that the pill will work? OP was the birth control shot, right?

Is it really necessary to be this precautious? Maybe so...

Quote: (08-14-2014 03:46 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

So what's the consensus here?

Birth Control Pill + Condom + Pull Out = Great Success?

I've been assuming all you raw doggers (like me) are talking about pulling out with girls who are already on the pill.

Or is it just safer to not trust that she's taking the pill or not trust that the pill will work? OP was the birth control shot, right?

Is it really necessary to be this precautious? Maybe so...

NEVER trust BC or the women your banging.

Some girls are evil enough to stop taking it and let you rawdog to trap you with a pregnancy, especially if they think you're the one.

Use your OWN condoms also.

kaotic

I see great opportunity for you as an enthusiastic evangelist marketer for Trojan condoms now.

You would be genuine as fuck in your pitches to convert Raw Doggers from all corners of the globe.

Quote: (08-14-2014 03:59 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (08-14-2014 03:46 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

So what's the consensus here?

Birth Control Pill + Condom + Pull Out = Great Success?

I've been assuming all you raw doggers (like me) are talking about pulling out with girls who are already on the pill.

Or is it just safer to not trust that she's taking the pill or not trust that the pill will work? OP was the birth control shot, right?

Is it really necessary to be this precautious? Maybe so...

NEVER trust BC or the women your banging.

Some girls are evil enough to stop taking it and let you rawdog to trap you with a pregnancy, especially if they think you're the one.

Use your OWN condoms also.

Remember Tuthmosis' thread where he was trying to figure out who poked a hole in his condoms?

Quote: (08-14-2014 04:08 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

kaotic

I see great opportunity for you as an enthusiastic evangelist marketer for Trojan condoms now.

You would be genuine as fuck in your pitches to convert Raw Doggers from all corners of the globe.

I'd laugh but not until the abortion has been finalized. Dread Game Hamster Mode ON.

Quote: (08-14-2014 04:11 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (08-14-2014 03:59 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (08-14-2014 03:46 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

So what's the consensus here?

Birth Control Pill + Condom + Pull Out = Great Success?

I've been assuming all you raw doggers (like me) are talking about pulling out with girls who are already on the pill.

Or is it just safer to not trust that she's taking the pill or not trust that the pill will work? OP was the birth control shot, right?

Is it really necessary to be this precautious? Maybe so...

NEVER trust BC or the women your banging.

Some girls are evil enough to stop taking it and let you rawdog to trap you with a pregnancy, especially if they think you're the one.

Use your OWN condoms also.

Remember Tuthmosis' thread where he was trying to figure out who poked a hole in his condoms?

Oh yeah I did, I always keep my stash secret and move it around if a girl ever snoops. I can't believe how crazy some girls are.

^ One more reason to pull out even if there is a condom being used. Also another reason to use spermicidal condoms.

It is usually a main or FB that would poke a hole. They through evolution will find a way to poke a few without you knowing.

Quote: (08-13-2014 05:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I did call her and I do plan on buying some tests, I'm seeing her tonight.

The point is giving her no time to actually get pregnant before you have proof.

Quote: (08-14-2014 05:40 PM)germanico Wrote:  

Quote: (08-13-2014 05:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I did call her and I do plan on buying some tests, I'm seeing her tonight.

The point is giving her no time to actually get pregnant before you have proof.

Psyching me out dude, she's already in for the abortion (so far). Last thing I'm going to do is show her I don't trust her. I'd rather act beta up until the abortion.

Judging from her track record I really don't think she's "actually going to get pregnant" AFTER she told me she was and could go get an abortion.

I'm letting this sit till next weeks exam.

Quote: (08-13-2014 03:36 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

I see the phrase "pull out" used here a lot as one method of birth control. I'm surprised there hasn't been a doctor on RVF chime in and mention this method DOES NOT WORK! Pre-cum has a crazy high concentration of sperm in it and seeps out long before you bust. She can still get preggers, wrap that thang up!

In my opinion, you're stating this much too strongly.

Sure, it's not 100% effective, but it does a pretty decent job.

Here's an article, backed up with studies, that claims it's nearly as effective at preventing accidental pregnancy as condoms (it even addresses the pre-cum claims). They do, of course, admit the possible failure points, but it looks like a lot of the professional talk about it being a worthless birth control method is more scare-mongering in order to get people to be more responsible.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Economy/sex...id=7688558

Note: Found this article with a very quick search, and they even quote Jezebel, so perhaps do your own research.

Quote: (08-13-2014 06:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I might see her more than once until the abortion

I'm sure she's going to want to have sex, clearly I'm pulling out.

But would a condom be too extreme and insulting since she's now pregnant ?

No.

Quote: (08-13-2014 09:08 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

I've been raw dogging a girl for six months. Lately, I've been fantasizing about cumming inside her (always pull out). I've been obsessed with it. She's been trying to get me to do it. Sometimes when she sees I'm about to cum she'll say something to try and get me to do it.

Anyways, I'm glad I saw this thread. Ixnay on the eampiecray.

What about timing with periods? Can anyone offer any insight on this - based on actual research rather than the strict guidelines promoted by the public "experts" with a scare-mongering agenda?

Quote: (08-14-2014 06:27 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (08-14-2014 05:40 PM)germanico Wrote:  

Quote: (08-13-2014 05:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I did call her and I do plan on buying some tests, I'm seeing her tonight.

The point is giving her no time to actually get pregnant before you have proof.

Psyching me out dude, she's already in for the abortion (so far). Last thing I'm going to do is show her I don't trust her. I'd rather act beta up until the abortion.

Judging from her track record I really don't think she's "actually going to get pregnant" AFTER she told me she was and could go get an abortion.

I'm letting this sit till next weeks exam.

Protect yourself, but don't get too paranoid.

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Pre-cum has a crazy high concentration of sperm in it and seeps out long before you bust.

Incorrect. There is zero evidence that pre-cum contains sperm, assuming your urethra is clear from a previous ejaculation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12762...t=Abstract

Pulling out, when done correctly (pulling out BEFORE the orgasm has started and urinating between all orgasms) is quite effective. Source: me. Never knocked up a girl.

One way to know if you're pulling out correctly is if you need to give your dick a few more jerks to get to orgasm. Otherwise you're doing it way too late.

Quote: (08-15-2014 07:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Quote:

Pre-cum has a crazy high concentration of sperm in it and seeps out long before you bust.

Incorrect. There is zero evidence that pre-cum contains sperm, assuming your urethra is clear from a previous ejaculation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12762...t=Abstract

Pulling out, when done correctly (pulling out BEFORE the orgasm has started and urinating between all orgasms) is quite effective. Source: me. Never knocked up a girl.

One way to know if you're pulling out correctly is if you need to give your dick a few more jerks to get to orgasm. Otherwise you're doing it way too late.

That study was done in 2003.

Here's a more recent one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...po=33.7209 (2010)

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This study was designed to establish whether motile spermatozoa are released with pre-ejaculatory fluid and whether this fluid therefore poses a risk for unintended pregnancy. Forty samples of pre-ejaculatory fluid were examined from 27 volunteer men. Samples were obtained by masturbation and by touching the end of the penis with a Petri dish prior to ejaculation. Eleven of the 27 subjects (41%) produced pre-ejaculatory samples that contained spermatozoa and in 10 of these cases (37%), a reasonable proportion of the sperm was motile. The volunteers produced on up to five separate occasions and sperms were found in either all or none of their pre-ejaculatory samples. Hence, condoms should continue to be used from the first moment of genital contact, although it may be that some men, less likely to leak spermatozoa in their pre-ejaculatory fluid, are able to practice coitus interruptus more successfully than others.

In conclusion, it's an "you either have it or you don't" case. Some guys are just fortunate while others aren't.

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It has been suggested that any sperm in the pre-ejaculatory fluid must be the result of a previous ejaculation and that men who practice withdrawal should pass urine prior to coitus in order to wash away any residual sperm (Withdrawal Method. Planned Parenthood, 2004). However, in all cases in which we observed sperm in pre-ejaculatory fluid the urethra had, of course, been washed with urine on multiple occasions after the last ejaculation, and therefore the contamination of pre-ejaculatory fluid must have taken place immediately prior to ejaculation.

It would appear from our study that some men repeatedly leak sperm in their pre-ejaculatory fluid while others do not.

^ I am a mutant and don't have pre-cum, only a few girls have ever noticed. Pull out for life.

Why are women in developed countries steered toward pills and in developing ones toward monthly (or, if their bodies can handle it, trimonthly) shots?
In the latter case, though deception is still possible, the male can rest much easier confirming contraception than watching her take a pill every day then checking her gums and throat to make sure she swallowed it, insane asylum-like.

Might just make a lone dissent:

Is it that bad?

From what has been described, this girl is good stuff.
It might be a different story if she was just some random plain girl used to relieve your horniness one drunk night.

Whilst in this forum we talk about notches as an ultimate gauge of achievement, is it really? Once you've thrown the used condom in the trash and she's left to go home, do you really have anything to show for it but a photo or two, a memory, and a line in a spreadsheet? We're all about sticking to the objective biological truth here so I'll say it: only the last notch counts. The other notches are merely relief or a gauge of how close you're getting to your ideal outcome.

A life where a man fucks 1000 chicks and has no children is 'a lot of noise, then death'. You have to get someone pregnant at some point, lest it all have been pointless. I think the absolute terror expressed towards a pregnancy by most in this forum is at odds with the actual outcome. Most men love their children, regardless of what they felt about the pregnancy. It's why you see so many men fighting for custody. I've yet to meet one man who didn't speak endearingly about 'his little boy'. None have referred to them as a mere inconvenient 'monthly bill'. The 'costs' people lament, whilst probably unreasonably high in some countries, are for a purchase. They are not a loss, as most people describe them to be.

Maybe I'm just strange, but whilst I'm quite careful, there are some girls I've been with where I've thought 'if she gets pregnant, that wouldn't be that bad'. My two cents. Yes I realize I am not personally being confronted with this outcome. I hope I'm steadfast the day that I am.

Quote: (08-15-2014 07:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Quote:

Pre-cum has a crazy high concentration of sperm in it and seeps out long before you bust.

Incorrect. There is zero evidence that pre-cum contains sperm, assuming your urethra is clear from a previous ejaculation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12762...t=Abstract

Pulling out, when done correctly (pulling out BEFORE the orgasm has started and urinating between all orgasms) is quite effective. Source: me. Never knocked up a girl.

One way to know if you're pulling out correctly is if you need to give your dick a few more jerks to get to orgasm. Otherwise you're doing it way too late.

Beat me to it Roosh. Well said.

After I had a few runs in China looking for morning after pills, I found about how to do withdrawl like you just posted. Chinese pussy is just too tight and sucks the condoms off your dick. After that, no problems. I did my wife like this for almost 2 years and we just had a kid last month. A planned kiddo.

So I can vouch for this. Remember just like Roosh said, pull out while you still need a few tugs before you blow or wait and do an air blow.

Quote: (08-15-2014 04:45 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Chinese pussy is just too tight and sucks the condoms off your dick.

too funny. I know you are being serious but it is sort of funny. I have been thinking of starting a thread of good RVF one liners. This would be in it.

Quote: (08-15-2014 08:08 AM)game_ethic Wrote:  

Quote: (08-15-2014 07:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Quote:

Pre-cum has a crazy high concentration of sperm in it and seeps out long before you bust.

Incorrect. There is zero evidence that pre-cum contains sperm, assuming your urethra is clear from a previous ejaculation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12762...t=Abstract

Pulling out, when done correctly (pulling out BEFORE the orgasm has started and urinating between all orgasms) is quite effective. Source: me. Never knocked up a girl.

One way to know if you're pulling out correctly is if you need to give your dick a few more jerks to get to orgasm. Otherwise you're doing it way too late.

That study was done in 2003.

Here's a more recent one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...po=33.7209 (2010)

Quote:Quote:

This study was designed to establish whether motile spermatozoa are released with pre-ejaculatory fluid and whether this fluid therefore poses a risk for unintended pregnancy. Forty samples of pre-ejaculatory fluid were examined from 27 volunteer men. Samples were obtained by masturbation and by touching the end of the penis with a Petri dish prior to ejaculation. Eleven of the 27 subjects (41%) produced pre-ejaculatory samples that contained spermatozoa and in 10 of these cases (37%), a reasonable proportion of the sperm was motile. The volunteers produced on up to five separate occasions and sperms were found in either all or none of their pre-ejaculatory samples. Hence, condoms should continue to be used from the first moment of genital contact, although it may be that some men, less likely to leak spermatozoa in their pre-ejaculatory fluid, are able to practice coitus interruptus more successfully than others.

In conclusion, it's an "you either have it or you don't" case. Some guys are just fortunate while others aren't.

Quote:Quote:

It has been suggested that any sperm in the pre-ejaculatory fluid must be the result of a previous ejaculation and that men who practice withdrawal should pass urine prior to coitus in order to wash away any residual sperm (Withdrawal Method. Planned Parenthood, 2004). However, in all cases in which we observed sperm in pre-ejaculatory fluid the urethra had, of course, been washed with urine on multiple occasions after the last ejaculation, and therefore the contamination of pre-ejaculatory fluid must have taken place immediately prior to ejaculation.

It would appear from our study that some men repeatedly leak sperm in their pre-ejaculatory fluid while others do not.

I cannot dispute that study with facts, but I do think that if you start to cum, and you do not pull out but just interrupt it mentally, some of that stuff will be inside your urethra. When that happens to me I pull out, take a piss, and start over again. Better safe than sorry. Besides you get to fuck longer.

Quote: (08-15-2014 04:48 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Quote: (08-15-2014 04:45 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Chinese pussy is just too tight and sucks the condoms off your dick.

too funny. I know you are being serious but it is sort of funny. I have been thinking of starting a thread of good RVF one liners. This would be in it.

Eh..well shit. Now that you mention it when I look at my post now, my face feels a bit hot. Heh. Fuck it. Just keeping it real bro.

I've heard anecdotes, from Roosh and others, about guys who have great success with the withdrawal method. Also, it can be difficult to get a girl pregnant even when you're trying. Women are only fertile a few days of the month. And fertility doctors will say that guys with too few or too weak of sperm can never get a woman pregnant, for all practical purposes.

So I don't worry about a single sperm defying the odds. If a guy can blast his entire load into his wife, but can't get her pregnant because his sperm are too few and too weak, it's going to be really hard for me to get her pregnant when I blast on her stomach - I don't care how strong my sperm are (I have no idea - never been tested).

On the other hand, I've seen a spurt of come begin leaking out of my dick before I felt the rush of an orgasm. And the study cited above says some guys have precum that has plenty of sperm in it. All of that makes me nervous.

One thing that helps - in the U.S. you can get Plan B over the counter. It's only $50, which is not cheap, but much cheaper than a pregnancy. After I have a girl take Plan B, I pressure her to get an IUD or BCP or I stop seeing her. I also tend to only fuck girls who are pro-choice and say they don't want kids. All of this is risky, but sex and fun are risky, you can minimize the risk within reason, but you cannot eliminate it, or you will have no fun.

Roosh if you wrote "Bang Raw" You would get so much rage traffic...

Bang Raw? I would read that cover to cover nonstop if he did that.

@OP

Been through this situation twice with 2 different girls. Both occasions i had to be the one maintaining the level head and guiding them through the process.

Shes gonna breakdown at some point between now and after the operation so maintaining your ice cold frame and sticking to your decision is paramount.

Whatever happens, just remember and remind her that this is the right thing to do.

Good luck.

UPDATE:

Thought I'd let you guys know, went in and had an ultra sound, looks like she was at 5 weeks.

The birth sac had developed, no fetus, no heartbeat. She was a little skittish before the ultrasound, but I gave her a hug and told her to relax.

Immediately after the ultrasound she asked and received the abortion shot. This detaches the placenta from the endometrium. (Part 1)

I didn't even say a single word when the doctor was in the room.

Next week she goes back in to get the pill inserted. Which causes contractions and ejects what's left from her body. (Part 2)

Needless to say she feels a lot less stressed and so do I.


Honestly I was having doubts when I first walked in, like I had a heavy hand placed on me like what I was doing was bad, then logic kicked in and I knew it was the right thing to do. I felt like I had bad vibes for a few hours, but I'm ok now.

Sounds callous but it's best $100 I ever spent.

P.S. I'd like to thank all the forum brothers for the support and advice. It's been an intense journey and I've learned multiple lessons.

I don't know how to say this the right way, but the best I can say is that I am glad things are working out for you. All I mean is it is such a mixed event, life (not trying to debate when it starts), relationships, obligations, etc. I imagine it can be tremendously stressful with so much going through your mind. Hang in there.

At this point there is no reversing it, right? Hate to sound so naive. But just want a little clarification. Thanks.