[TravelerKai]

(08-13-2014 02:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 02:44 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:26 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

FML

My main HB 8 called me last night after work and told me she's pregnant.

This just comes on the heels of me giving her a tad bit of praise:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24128-...#pid804587



I asked her if she has proof when the doc told her, she gets a BC shot soon, and hasn't started her period, I asked her if she has proof from the docs, they did a test and she is. She did one herself also (I want to go buy some tests myself)

We talked about it....she brought up the word abortion first. I'm fine with that, I told her there's no way either of us are ready for this and she agreed. We both agreed to keep it between us and noone else (this forum doesn't count).

I guess she's going to the doc to setup appointments, apparently she needs to get checked up and confirm something is in the womb. Then the next appointment she'll take an abortion pill ? and will bleed for awhile. Then a final exam to make sure the pill worked.


I feel like I've had a testosterone crash, I've got anxiety, I can't focus. I don't even feel horny at all right now.

I told her I'd help her through this abortion, im not sure what I'll do after this all settles down.

I read your post from yesterday, and for you to play with fire by fucking a card carrying feminist, you dodged a big bullet because she is pro-abortion. Maybe. You better hope she can go through it because if she gets cold feet, it's back on. Her bringing you beer, looking feminine, and other junk means very little in the grand scheme of things because all of them do things for gain/reward. Women play for keeps and rarely do shit for the fuck of it. In fact, you should tread carefully not to trigger a change of heart.

After she is done with it, gracefully move on or rock a rubber.

Thing is she doesn't show any feminist tendencies, her actions also show that she doesn't. Like I said, I personally think it was just a stage of hers since she acts pretty feminine. Of course I'm not ignorant in this and am aware.

I think the best thing I can do is act a little beta and support her through this then come back to reddish self.

Absolutely condoms are being put on, fuck that.

My exwife was one of those "Feminist Light" types, and never even talked back to me, before I married her. When she got a masters degree, she became militant and ultra liberal to the point she rejected Christianity. Then she proceeded to nearly ruin my life. Don't be hard headed and play with women like that. After the abortion she will become unstable emotionally. Do not believe anything she says afterwards. She will hate you inside and tell her family and therapist how much she hates you, and you will be none the wiser.

Like a buddy's grandpa told me, "Girls are like busses. If you miss one, there is always another one right round the corner."

[DJ-Matt]

I see the phrase "pull out" used here a lot as one method of birth control. I'm surprised there hasn't been a doctor on RVF chime in and mention this method DOES NOT WORK! Pre-cum has a crazy high concentration of sperm in it and seeps out long before you bust. She can still get preggers, wrap that thang up!

[DavidMI]

The older you are, the more your sperm has random mutations and your offspring actually has fewer of your genes, and less relations to you. (This is why, very loosely speaking, oldest sons tend to be the healthiest and look the most like the father. Again, speaking very generally.)

I recently was in a similar situation. We're both Christian, and so I advised adoption, but she refused. She's now very far along and I'm very excited and happy. Seeing your own child on modern ultrasounds is simply magical. It's a difficult feeling to express. But I'm just rolling with things, and planning out for the new life as best I can.

Anyway, I would rather have children under imperfect circumstances than die childless. (And with divorce and child support rape in the West, it's ALWAYS imperfect circumstances.)

[AneroidOcean]

(08-13-2014 02:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Lizard, the reason I said I wanted it was because from my understanding you can get it reversed with a high rate of success, saving sperm might be a good idea as well.

I'm responding to your comment but it's a response to the comments that are similar I've seen here. Understand I'm not trying to single you out or be an asshole, but this is very serious as you've learned and I feel very strongly about it:

(08-13-2014 02:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Yeah I did feel invicible, but now that's been fractured a bit.

The problem is with all these guys rawdogging and saying they "feel invincible" or "feel [like they are perfect with controlling their ejaculation]"

Look, if you "feel" lucky that's fine, it's because YOU ARE. You might be close to 100% perfect, but guess what, nobody is. All this "feeling" is a lot of male hamster rationalization. Sounds a lot like women's "feeling" based reality.

It's one thing to say "Well I'm taking the risk because I love the feeling of rawdogging and I'll have to deal with the consequences....I just think the risk is low enough"

It's another thing to talk about your "feelings" or what you "think" is the reality when it comes to risk statistics. There is a ton of information on this forum as well as the internet that you can find as simply as just typing in "wikipedia" and your topic of choice.

Same thing with people talking about vasectomies like they are reversible. They are considered a NON-REVERSIBLE procedure because the rate at which they are reversible is low enough for the medical community to consider it as such. You can find all this out really easily or by searching on the forum.

Guys, consult reality, not your "feelings" or "assumptions." These are very serious topics.

On a related note, I can't wait until Vasalgel (RISUG) is available in the US or even India (for anyone).

Some links from the forum I just pulled up quickly:
STDs:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1241.html

Pull Out Method:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20872.html

Pull Out Method Study (method failing):
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27177.html

STDs @ the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/

Vasalgel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_...r_guidance

http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

Hope this helps someone in the future. Good luck to OP with his current situation.

[germanico]

Wish I saw this earlier, heres what to do:

-Call her, dont text, call, and tell her to meet you immediately after work. Shes not to go anywhere but straight to your place. If she ask why, say that you need to see her, that everything will be allright and whatnot.

-Go to CVS or any big pharmacy and buy TWO pregnancy tests from different brands, BEFORE she arrives. You are not to go out of your place once shes in there.

- If you have work yourself, go home early. Dealing with this is more important.

-When she gets to your place, talk to her, listen to whatever she has to say and then clearly state that YOU have to be sure. Give her BOTH tests and tell her to take both of them in your bathroom. She has the option of walking outh of your bathroom with TWO freshly taken pregnancy tests in her hand or walking out of your door never to see you again.

Dont listen to any argument and dont yield to emotional blackmail. Those are HER options, nothing more.

-If tests are positive, its up to you. Since they will not, then deal with her by swiftly kicking her out of your house and out of your life.

Whatever you do, dont bang her ever again, for any reason, not even with a condom. Your mental and financial health is more valuable than any bish that might walk into your life.

[samsamsam]

(08-13-2014 03:06 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

After the abortion she will become unstable emotionally. Do not believe anything she says afterwards. She will hate you inside and tell her family and therapist how much she hates you, and you will be none the wiser.

TK has a good point here. Also, I imagine there will be the possibility of regret, remorse and she will need someone to blame (obviously she can't blame herself). So you will be the target as TK says. I am sure there is tremendous psychological stuff associated with an abortion. A woman who can block it out and just keep moving would scare me, would show she is definitely not feminine.

[TravelerKai]

(08-13-2014 04:22 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 03:06 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

After the abortion she will become unstable emotionally. Do not believe anything she says afterwards. She will hate you inside and tell her family and therapist how much she hates you, and you will be none the wiser.

TK has a good point here. Also, I imagine there will be the possibility of regret, remorse and she will need someone to blame (obviously she can't blame herself). So you will be the target as TK says. I am sure there is tremendous psychological stuff associated with an abortion. A woman who can block it out and just keep moving would scare me, would show she is definitely not feminine.

Women that miscarriage or suddenly lose a baby will have their hormones in disarray. Their Estrogen, Progesterone, etc. will not be in the right levels for a while. She may even lactate suddenly at some point. Couple that with the emotional component and that makes for a deadly cocktail. He would be wise to get away gently as soon as the moment is right.

[Dr. Howard]

checking with OP...so she was on the birth control shot? I thought that was the miracle drug?

[Onto]

She may flip-flop back and forth with her decision, I would just support her through the flip-flopping.

Worst thing you could do is get upset with her for changing her mind.

Her: "I'm having second thoughts"
You: "Oh, I thought we agreed we weren't ready?"
Her: "Yeah but, blah, blah, blah"
You: "Oh...*pause*…well I do feel I'm not ready..*pause*...but I don't know….*pause*...what would you like to see me do?"

At this point she may be quiet for a while, thinking. You wait. If she says, "What?" repeat your question and let her sit with it.

If she says, "I don't know", don't say anything.
If she says, "I want you to raise it with me, etc.", then respond, "Ok, I'm worried I'm not ready, but if that's what you want, then I will." and say nothing else.

There's a good chance at this point she will suddenly feel a sense of fault for making demands on you. She wouldn't feel that way if you resisted. She would in fact feel justified, because she would see you being a self-interested person (aka Ego). However, if you don't resist, than she is left being the ego, (with her self-interested demands). See?

For us men being an ego is quite ok, but for women their claim is that they aren't an ego whatsoever, and if she gets a glimpse that she is being one, she may adjust her behavior accordingly so she won't be one anymore.

As anything, there are no guarantees and the stakes in this situation are quite high so it's possible she could handle having the fault for the prize of the baby, but this slight of hand has worked well for me in the past.

[bojangles]

don't put doubts in his heads guys

I always wear a condom now, how many guys is that on the forum now getting a girl knocked up?

[kaotic]

(08-13-2014 02:47 PM)Engineer Wrote:  

You are right, of course it's not to be taken lightly, this is one of the most serious topics out there. I was assuming the OP was done having kids. Agree this should almost never be done if you are under 30 and the IUD is the way to go.


I'm pretty sure the OP is in his 20s, as are most guys who post here. Like you say, they should not even be thinking about vasectomies.

Correct I'm 28 still got a long way to go.

(08-13-2014 02:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Lizard, the reason I said I wanted it was because from my understanding you can get it reversed with a high rate of success, saving sperm might be a good idea as well.


Nope, it's tricky and complicated and a lot of things can and do go wrong. It's just not something you should contemplate unless you're quite a bit older and definitely done having kids or have made a firm decision you don't want any (which you cannot make in your twenties).


A man should freeze his sperm if he gets a vasectomy just in case he changes his mind later. But the whole idea is not something a normal man in his twenties should be thinking about.

Thanks for the advice and insight I appreciate it.

(08-13-2014 03:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

[quote] (08-13-2014 02:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Lizard, the reason I said I wanted it was because from my understanding you can get it reversed with a high rate of success, saving sperm might be a good idea as well.


I'm responding to your comment but it's a response to the comments that are similar I've seen here. Understand I'm not trying to single you out or be an asshole, but this is very serious as you've learned and I feel very strongly about it:

Yeah I did feel invicible, but now that's been fractured a bit.

The problem is with all these guys rawdogging and saying they "feel invincible" or "feel [like they are perfect with controlling their ejaculation]"

Look, if you "feel" lucky that's fine, it's because YOU ARE. You might be close to 100% perfect, but guess what, nobody is. All this "feeling" is a lot of male hamster rationalization. Sounds a lot like women's "feeling" based reality.

It's one thing to say "Well I'm taking the risk because I love the feeling of rawdogging and I'll have to deal with the consequences....I just think the risk is low enough"

It's another thing to talk about your "feelings" or what you "think" is the reality when it comes to risk statistics. There is a ton of information on this forum as well as the internet that you can find as simply as just typing in "wikipedia" and your topic of choice.

Same thing with people talking about vasectomies like they are reversible. They are considered a NON-REVERSIBLE procedure because the rate at which they are reversible is low enough for the medical community to consider it as such. You can find all this out really easily or by searching on the forum.

Guys, consult reality, not your "feelings" or "assumptions." These are very serious topics.

On a related note, I can't wait until Vasalgel (RISUG) is available in the US or even India (for anyone).

Some links from the forum I just pulled up quickly:
STDs:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1241.html

Pull Out Method:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20872.html

Pull Out Method Study (method failing):
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27177.html

STDs @ the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/

Vasalgel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_...r_guidance

http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

Hope this helps someone in the future. Good luck to OP with his current situation.

That was pretty intense and no you weren't an asshole it's sound advice I should have followed, you can feel anything, but it can be far from reality.

(08-13-2014 04:07 PM)germanico Wrote:  

Wish I saw this earlier, heres what to do:

-Call her, dont text, call, and tell her to meet you immediately after work. Shes not to go anywhere but straight to your place. If she ask why, say that you need to see her, that everything will be allright and whatnot.

-Go to CVS or any big pharmacy and buy TWO pregnancy tests from different brands, BEFORE she arrives. You are not to go out of your place once shes in there.

- If you have work yourself, go home early. Dealing with this is more important.

-When she gets to your place, talk to her, listen to whatever she has to say and then clearly state that YOU have to be sure. Give her BOTH tests and tell her to take both of them in your bathroom. She has the option of walking outh of your bathroom with TWO freshly taken pregnancy tests in her hand or walking out of your door never to see you again.

Dont listen to any argument and dont yield to emotional blackmail. Those are HER options, nothing more.

-If tests are positive, its up to you. Since they will not, then deal with her by swiftly kicking her out of your house and out of your life.

Whatever you do, dont bang her ever again, for any reason, not even with a condom. Your mental and financial health is more valuable than any bish that might walk into your life.

I did call her and I do plan on buying some tests, I'm seeing her tonight.

(08-13-2014 05:23 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

checking with OP...so she was on the birth control shot? I thought that was the miracle drug?

Yeah the shot, pretty obvious it's no miracle and I'm an idiot for not using a condom.

(08-13-2014 05:23 PM)Onto Wrote:  

She may flip-flop back and forth with her decision, I would just support her through the flip-flopping.

Worst thing you could do is get upset with her for changing her mind.

Her: "I'm having second thoughts"
You: "Oh, I thought we agreed we weren't ready?"
Her: "Yeah but, blah, blah, blah"
You: "Oh...*pause*…well I do feel I'm not ready..*pause*...but I don't know….*pause*...what would you like to see me do?"

At this point she may be quiet for a while, thinking. You wait. If she says, "What?" repeat your question and let her sit with it.

If she says, "I don't know", don't say anything.
If she says, "I want you to raise it with me, etc.", then respond, "Ok, I'm worried I'm not ready, but if that's what you want, then I will." and say nothing else.

There's a good chance at this point she will suddenly feel a sense of fault for making demands on you. She wouldn't feel that way if you resisted. She would in fact feel justified, because she would see you being a self-interested person (aka Ego). However, if you don't resist, than she is left being the ego, (with her self-interested demands). See?

For us men being an ego is quite ok, but for women their claim is that they aren't an ego whatsoever, and if she gets a glimpse that she is being one, she may adjust her behavior accordingly so she won't be one anymore.

As anything, there are no guarantees and the stakes in this situation are quite high so it's possible she could handle having the fault for the prize of the baby, but this slight of hand has worked well for me in the past.

Yeah I'm being a little beta to her needs as of the moment, but I'm calling clinics, they hardly give me any info because i'm not the one pregnant. So retarded.

[kaotic]

(08-13-2014 05:47 PM)bojangles Wrote:  

don't put doubts in his heads guys

I always wear a condom now, how many guys is that on the forum now getting a girl knocked up?

Thanks Bo, I've learned my lesson, I'm scared to death right now. I can't even focus at work.

[Onto]

I'm not sure making her do another test in front of you is the right move. This is because she's already had one done at the Dr's. The test doesn't get any more conclusive than that does it?

I fear that by making her take a test in front of you, you will be sending a message that you don't trust/believe her.

Why take the risk of pissing someone off that's planning to do what you want anyways?

[kaotic]

(08-13-2014 06:17 PM)Onto Wrote:  

I'm not sure making her do another test in front of you is the right move. This is because she's already had one done at the Dr's. The test doesn't get any more conclusive than that does it?

I fear that by making her take a test in front of you, you will be sending a message that you don't trust/believe her.

Why take the risk of pissing someone off that's planning to do what you want anyways?

That's good point, I should frame myself as concerned and genuine. I did try and push her to go to the docs this week, turned out it would be a pain in the ass. So we set on late next week for it.

IMPORTANT:

I might see her more than once until the abortion

I'm sure she's going to want to have sex, clearly I'm pulling out.

But would a condom be too extreme and insulting since she's now pregnant ?

I want to make sure I avoid ANYTHING that could change her mind about this.

[Onto]

(08-13-2014 06:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

IMPORTANT:

I might see her more than once until the abortion

I'm sure she's going to want to have sex, clearly I'm pulling out.

But would a condom be too extreme and insulting since she's now pregnant ?

I want to make sure I avoid ANYTHING that could change her mind about this.

Yeah, this is the tough part. You obviously want her to feel that you aren't going to dump her after the abortion.

You also don't want to possibly get her pregnant in case she isn't. (I don't see any reason for her to lie about this since it sounds like you two were still solid.)

Maybe you could say that this whole scare has put a damper on your sex drive, or you could bust out the condom and say with a smirk, "Looks like we should start getting use to these for a while"

Saying it that way will imply a future after the abortion and also show that you want to still be with her.

Truthfully, I'm not really sure what the right play is on this.

[Nolecbo]

(08-13-2014 05:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Yeah I'm being a little beta to her needs as of the moment, but I'm calling clinics, they hardly give me any info because i'm not the one pregnant. So retarded.

I think this is the right call. As to sex this weekend? Again, play the beta, there are thousands of dollars on the line here (your dollars). Do anything she wants.


From the bible:
http://www.returnofkings.com/16089/how-t...n-abortion


"You need to bring up the subject of abortion with every ounce of verbal finesse and situation-appropriate sensitivity. You should sound as sincere as possible and tell her that you want her to be the mother of your children one day, but that now is not the right time to start a family. Explain you want to wait until you are further along in your career/life goals and you can afford to give your future family all the comforts of life you cannot deliver today. Finally, explain if she has the abortion now, you will be able to plan your lives together so that everything is perfect. Then, after she agrees and has the abortion, dump her. It’s called a “hail mary” in part because of its difficulty to execute, so if you stay with her post-abortion and she becomes pregnant again you’re really fucked."

[Travesty]

I would not have sex at all costs until this is done.

Be beta, say this is all weighing on you just be friendly show a little affection.

Sex may backfire, she may bond more to you her in head and think this could be the man I wake up next to everyday that is the father of my child.

Be beta! Don't hit it!

As said before if she ends up going through with it you need to be ready to walk away from her if she goes crazy fast. Also no matter how much you like the girl if she gets the big A the cards are heavily stacked against you going forward with her.

[SheriffBart]

I've been raw dogging a girl for six months. Lately, I've been fantasizing about cumming inside her (always pull out). I've been obsessed with it. She's been trying to get me to do it. Sometimes when she sees I'm about to cum she'll say something to try and get me to do it.

Anyways, I'm glad I saw this thread. Ixnay on the eampiecray.

[Travesty]

^ Your baby thread is next.

[hugobuckmaster]

That's great news! Really, congrats on her getting rid of it. Ive had too many girls who said they would keep it if something happened. Nothin worse than hearing that after you don't pull out. At least you guys are on the same page and that's huge. It's not the old days anymore where you could just leave it out In the middle of the woods or drop it off on a church doorstep.

[kosko]

No such things as a "planned pregnancy". Raw Dog method is only 100% effective/or fail, I can't think of anything else which such staked odds.

The gods shined on you by rescuing you from a woman whom does not value natural life. But the Raw Dog Gods struck you down with a lightning bolt, take the measures to make sure this shit does not happen again.

All the best to you.

[JohnKreese]

(08-13-2014 11:56 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 11:48 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Seriously guys I know Raw Dog glory is rampant, but really:

Use a condom and pull out or get snipped.

Good luck with the process hopefully everything is smooth. At least it is with an 8 and not a fat slump buster.

Ironically we all just talked about this in the "I need to stop rawdogging (srs)" thread.

I think I'm going to get snipped, I have no idea where to go and how much it is though.

I definitely need to pullout and/or use condoms. Fuck man.

Thread I started about my vasectomy experience, but be sure to take some of the negatives that others have mentioned into consideration as well.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-31369.html

[Walderschmidt]

Reading through the thread.

But my first thought when I saw the title:

Wald

[GAfrican]

(08-13-2014 11:26 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

FML

My main HB 8 called me last night after work and told me she's pregnant.

This just comes on the heels of me giving her a tad bit of praise:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24128-...#pid804587



I asked her if she has proof when the doc told her, she gets a BC shot soon, and hasn't started her period, I asked her if she has proof from the docs, they did a test and she is. She did one herself also (I want to go buy some tests myself)

We talked about it....she brought up the word abortion first. I'm fine with that, I told her there's no way either of us are ready for this and she agreed. We both agreed to keep it between us and noone else (this forum doesn't count).

I guess she's going to the doc to setup appointments, apparently she needs to get checked up and confirm something is in the womb. Then the next appointment she'll take an abortion pill ? and will bleed for awhile. Then a final exam to make sure the pill worked.


I feel like I've had a testosterone crash, I've got anxiety, I can't focus. I don't even feel horny at all right now.

I told her I'd help her through this abortion, im not sure what I'll do after this all settles down.

This gives me so much to think about.

[Glaucon]

The dreaded "It is late..." speech.

My ex "surprised" me with this once. Not fun, not fun at all...