Quote: (02-17-2012 02:53 PM)MikeCF Wrote:
Quote: (02-17-2012 01:20 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:
Quote: (02-17-2012 12:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Nothing. Nothing at all. They stayed mostly neutral. Why? Because not a single one of our founding fathers were "left-wing" or "right-wing", which has to do with Marxist/Socialism bullshit. They didn't want to get embroiled in a senseless war to fight for "left-wing" or "right-wing" ideals, as they mostly knew back then it was fucking crap.
You seem to be incapable of understanding that words and concepts change meaning over time, as they become integrated into other cultures. It doesn't fucking matter what left-wing or right-wing meant 150+ years ago. RIGHT NOW, left-wing is closely aligned with liberal and right-wing is closely aligned with conservative.
U mad?
Sam's a smart kid - probably smarter than you.
You've never contributed anything of note to the forum.
Focus on adding value to the group before spitting all over your computer screen.
It doesn't impress anyone. Plus, most regulars have thick skin, so it doesn't even work at offending people.
I'm not mad.
Also, I don't really have much to say in the form of game. As someone who was sexually abused multiple times over a sixth month period when I was eight, I have, as a result, avoided things like sexual tension. I'm working on it, but for now, I stay quiet in the game forum since I don't have anything to add. I argue in these political threads from time to time, since I find politics really interesting. Even then, I usually stay quiet. I looked at my "stats" and I only post one out of every three days on average.
I doubt Samseau is smarter than me. If anything, we're around the same level of intelligence.
Also, I'll be honest. I don't truly know how to conduct myself on a forum. I've always had trouble with this kind of stuff. Shit, I have trouble properly expressing myself in real life. Last night my pledge brothers were having a serious talk with me about how I am quiet and in this shell. How I act like I have zero confidence. They were telling me how I needed to stand up for myself and be open with them. See, the thing is is that on a daily basis, my mother would say things to me that attacked me on a deep emotional level. On a daily basis she would make me feel like I was worthless. See, this is the problem I have here. I don't really know how to conduct myself in a way that commands respect. Ever since I was a kid I didn't like myself. Now I know I'm going off on a crazy tangent, but I'm just saying this because I've been thinking about it a lot. Mike, I promise you, I'll shut up on this forum for a long time until I've overcome my bullshit if that makes you happy. I need to anyways, since I don't have nearly as much time to fuck around on random websites as I did last semester.
Also, I think you have the wrong picture of me. I bet you think I'm some fat sweaty slob, typing away spitting mad on my computer. In real life, I'm actually 6'1", broad shoulders, wear nice clothes, and I have a good looking face. I'm about 30 or so pounds overweight, so I'm a little bit chubby, but soon enough that weight will be gone, since I've started eating healthier and hitting the gym.
Quote: (02-17-2012 03:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Quote: (02-17-2012 01:20 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:
Quote: (02-17-2012 12:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:
Nothing. Nothing at all. They stayed mostly neutral. Why? Because not a single one of our founding fathers were "left-wing" or "right-wing", which has to do with Marxist/Socialism bullshit. They didn't want to get embroiled in a senseless war to fight for "left-wing" or "right-wing" ideals, as they mostly knew back then it was fucking crap.
You seem to be incapable of understanding that words and concepts change meaning over time, as they become integrated into other cultures. It doesn't fucking matter what left-wing or right-wing meant 150+ years ago. RIGHT NOW, left-wing is closely aligned with liberal and right-wing is closely aligned with conservative.
Man, your reading comprehension sucks ass. Of course meanings behind words change over time. Did I ever deny this?
RIGHT NOW, I want YOU to stop worrying about these pathetic labels and semantics. They're just designed to divide and conquer the masses. Get it?
Instead, just argue in terms of actual policies - i.e. what should or should not be done. Don't say, "We need more left-wing politicians" or "we can't have any more right-wingers!", because then you're a total tool for someone else to manipulate.
The terms "left-wing" and "right-wing" are meaningless. Do not be blinded by the sophistry behind these ancient terms.
They aren't meaningless. They are based in guiding political ideologies. You act like the party system is some unnatural construct, even when it arose before our government was even in place with the federalists and anti-federalists. Even then, the party system that our country has today arose immediately after George Washington stepped down. This is with Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. Jefferson being for state's rights and Hamilton being for a strong federal government. Hamilton even went as far as using the military to stamp out a rebellion from the farmer's that were angry with being overtaxed as a show of overarching federal power.
The only real problem I have with our party system is that, a small group of people with extraordinarily large amounts of wealth are able to distort our party system. This coupled with interests groups, truly distort who our government focuses on. This my frustration with the U.S. government. I'll link to Federalist 10 again because it describes better than I could:
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm. James Madison warned against "factions" (presently called interest groups) arising and distorting the political system. Lo and behold that is the way things currently work today. I know I'm talking in circles here, but I'll say it again. The party system isn't the problem, it's the people distorting our government for their own selfish desires that is the problem. Our government was designed to take care of the public good. The only problem is that our founding fathers did not foresee how things like media and super wealthy corporations would be able to override safeguards that they put into place.