Quote: (02-20-2017 02:43 PM)Jtguthrie12 Wrote:  

Not sure where to post this. At the moment I am at odds. My gf works at a reputable job making decent money $20 an hour. However, she has to drive 2 hours everyday either to work or to school. Her work and school are in different cities. She pays all her own bills, rent etc which is in the end about $950 a month. We are both undergraduates.

The problem at the moment is she is beyond stressed working 30+ hours a week along with a full load of school and commuting has taken a large toll on her. She tries but it's rough. On top of all that, her work is doing lay offs and it seems she is next on the chopping block. The city I live in is a college town with not much room to hire students and give them the amount of money she needs to stay afloat. She is also thinking she might need to move to get an internship that pays well enough to pay her bills and tuition and I know that would destroy us.

The topic of other ways to making money has come up because I love her and don't want her feeling like she is drowning in all of these problems or setbacks. We talked about her selling panties online or couple cam shit or stripping. I have a passed hook up buddy that is a stripper makes upwards of a grand in 2 days.. sometimes more. Now my girlfriend is thinking of stripping for a few months to pay off her car payment insurance etc and get a nice cushion before finding a normal job that doesn't pay much but would be substantial with the already nice cushion of cash she expects to pull in from the club. She will be in the professional health admin field and graduates in about a year and a half.

I don't know how I feel about it. I know she loves me and my opinion is of great importance to her. "I won't do it if you don't want me to". I can't help but think that if she did do it for 6 months or so she would be solid have a good amount of money not stress not have to work 5 days a week and be happy. Of course, I hate the idea of her rubbing herself on creeps and getting naked for them but it's not like she is having sex with them or anything like that. The money would not have to be taxed and it would not show on her resume. What would your opinion be on the matter?

I want her to be financially stable and not have to slave away like she has done her whole life to make ends meet. But I don't want the quick cash and that lifestyle to consume her and change her. She assures me it will not and she will do it until she pays off her bills and such but I have my doubts. I trust her more than anyone but this is still fucking hard. I also don't want to think I'll be okay with it then her start and realize i am definitely not.

It's just my gut feel, but something in your description tells me you have been fed quite a few lines of BS. What I mean is that you already have a ready made cognitive dissonance sounding excuse as to why she is considering this. Because all the "reasons" are not reasons for stripping. They are an incredible swirl of bullshit, commuting, taxes, about to get laid off, different cities, bla bla bla. Since there are other ways for girls or women to make money, and lots more of it, then it has nothing to do with money.

What I suspect is one of two things. She is already stripping and hasn't told you what she is really up to. Or you know she is already stripping and aren't telling us choosing instead to pass her excuses on in this post without vetting, and your subsequent word mess about bills and security.

A girl who strips or whores is a whore. A girl who wants to strip or whore is a whore. I am not judging your decision whether you want to be with her only you can know that. But you must stop being the thoughtless relay station for bullshit verbiage from this woman's mouth.

I think I speak for all of us when I say this: Please either end this relationship immediately and never speak of it ever again to anyone who knows you in real life, or CONTINUE THIS RELATIONSHIP AND DOCUMENT EVERY DRAMA/CRAZY/STD FILLED DETAIL HERE ON THIS THREAD FOR OUR AMUSEMENT AND TO SERVE AS A WARNING TO ALL OTHER MEN*.

*Note: You won't have any amusement coming from this. This woman is a busted ho just to even contemplate this. This is going to put your health, your finances, your sanity, and your general well being at risk.

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Quote: (02-20-2017 11:02 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

A girl who strips or whores is a whore. A girl who wants to strip or whore is a whore. I am not judging your decision whether you want to be with her only you can know that. But you must stop being the thoughtless relay station for bullshit verbiage from this woman's mouth.

This.

Quote: (02-20-2017 11:04 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

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That's officially Jean Valjean's theme song.

Quote: (02-20-2017 11:02 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

What I suspect is one of two things.
She is already stripping and hasn't told you what she is really up to.
Or you know she is already stripping and aren't telling us
choosing instead to pass her excuses on in this post without vetting, and your subsequent word mess about bills and security.

Another point: How many girls have used stripping as a gateway to hardcore drug usage, hanging out with criminals or even using it to "network" to get into porn?

There is ZERO UPSIDE for any many to have a LTR with a stripper. Heck, I'd even question the judgement call of a man going for short-term flings with strippers.

Run from her, no matter if she does it or doesn't do it. That is a dead-weight relationship. Respect yourself enough as a man to walk while you still can.

Quote: (02-20-2017 05:49 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

I was in a similar situation as this. My first wife was a former prostitute, and promised not to do that anymore. She really liked that I was an open-minded guy who didn't mind that she had that past, though. She asked if it would be okay to keep some of the outfits that she used as a prostitute because she thought they were beautiful, and I told her that of course that was fine.

However, after a few other job prospects didn't work out, she started saying that she wanted to get back into the sex industry. At first she was saying that she wanted to be a stripper or just do webcam stuff. But then she decided that maybe she didn't have the body for that, so she started asking my permission to go back to prostitution. (She preferred to call it "escorting," although she found her clients through Craigslist's intimate encounters section, rather than through an agency.)

She kept pressing the issue, till eventually, I was like, "Whatever, you can suck other guys' dicks for money, as long as you use a condom, and save your pussy for me." I remember the first evening she was going to go do that, she put on one of those prostitution outfits that she had brought with her, and went to kiss me goodbye and said, "Careful, the lipstick might smear." Meanwhile, our sex life was deterioriating, as she was putting out less and less for me, till eventually, she cut me off altogether.

If I had to guess, I'd say that she probably wasn't actually using a condom with those guys, because she did contract an STD at one point, plus she used to write in her blog about swallowing her clients' fluids, plus when I asked her (before we got together) if she swallowed, she said of course; where else would it go, if not down her throat? That's probably one of the reasons why her clients loved her so much, and kept blowing up her phone long after she'd moved out of the area.

After she left me, she went back to live with her parents, and they started pressuring her to find a real job instead of being a prostitute. So she told them she was going to be a life coach, but confided to her Facebook friends that the life coach stuff was BS, because she had no interest in that; she was always going to be an escort. I think it had become part of her identity by that point.

When a girl wants to get into stripping, it means that she has major daddy issues and is probably going to use stripping as a slippery slope to get into straight-up prostitution. She's addicted to jobs where she can use her ability to cater to random men's sexual desires as a way of getting quick cash; and she can get more and quicker cash by offering entry into her holes than by just offering a look. It shows a lack of impulse control, because she doesn't want to do what's needed to make money the hard way.

I was in a weak financial position at the time and therefore wasn't able to say, "Hon, you don't need to sell your body, I'll take care of you." (Now I've got that Police song "Roxanne" in my head.) But, even if I'd had that much money, her wanting to get into the sex industry was a major red flag of mental instability. Bonecrker has written on this topic a few times.

This made my day.

Quote: (02-20-2017 05:49 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

I was in a similar situation as this. My first wife was a former prostitute, and promised not to do that anymore. She really liked that I was an open-minded guy who didn't mind that she had that past, though. She asked if it would be okay to keep some of the outfits that she used as a prostitute because she thought they were beautiful, and I told her that of course that was fine.

However, after a few other job prospects didn't work out, she started saying that she wanted to get back into the sex industry. At first she was saying that she wanted to be a stripper or just do webcam stuff. But then she decided that maybe she didn't have the body for that, so she started asking my permission to go back to prostitution. (She preferred to call it "escorting," although she found her clients through Craigslist's intimate encounters section, rather than through an agency.)

She kept pressing the issue, till eventually, I was like, "Whatever, you can suck other guys' dicks for money, as long as you use a condom, and save your pussy for me." I remember the first evening she was going to go do that, she put on one of those prostitution outfits that she had brought with her, and went to kiss me goodbye and said, "Careful, the lipstick might smear." Meanwhile, our sex life was deterioriating, as she was putting out less and less for me, till eventually, she cut me off altogether.

If I had to guess, I'd say that she probably wasn't actually using a condom with those guys, because she did contract an STD at one point, plus she used to write in her blog about swallowing her clients' fluids, plus when I asked her (before we got together) if she swallowed, she said of course; where else would it go, if not down her throat? That's probably one of the reasons why her clients loved her so much, and kept blowing up her phone long after she'd moved out of the area.

After she left me, she went back to live with her parents, and they started pressuring her to find a real job instead of being a prostitute. So she told them she was going to be a life coach, but confided to her Facebook friends that the life coach stuff was BS, because she had no interest in that; she was always going to be an escort. I think it had become part of her identity by that point.

When a girl wants to get into stripping, it means that she has major daddy issues and is probably going to use stripping as a slippery slope to get into straight-up prostitution. She's addicted to jobs where she can use her ability to cater to random men's sexual desires as a way of getting quick cash; and she can get more and quicker cash by offering entry into her holes than by just offering a look. It shows a lack of impulse control, because she doesn't want to do what's needed to make money the hard way.

I was in a weak financial position at the time and therefore wasn't able to say, "Hon, you don't need to sell your body, I'll take care of you." (Now I've got that Police song "Roxanne" in my head.) But, even if I'd had that much money, her wanting to get into the sex industry was a major red flag of mental instability. Bonecrker has written on this topic a few times.

What in the actual fuck did I just read? Seriously. What. The. Fuck?

That's one of the worst things I have ever read here. Maybe the saddest, but I am having a hard time finding sympathy for that.

I have no sympathy for that shit. That is DEEPLY questionable. That's beyond P4P and beyond dishonor.

Jean Valjean just Van Dammed all of you. Greatest troll post of all time.

Regarding the hooker GF for the OP. She's obviously already doing it. Agree to it, but tell her to give you HALF, Dark Knight Joker style. Profit a bit then plate/dump her. That's how you game the situation.

That post made me want to drink bleach.

The funniest part was where the cumguzzling used-up ho planned to be a life coach.

Quote: (02-20-2017 11:26 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Another point: How many girls have used stripping as a gateway to hardcore drug usage, hanging out with criminals or even using it to "network" to get into porn?
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Beat me to it.

I knew a girl who's boyfriend allowed her to merely serve drinks topless at a strip club. And note that when I say "allow" that means what it always means in these situations. That his approval was irrelevant. She was going to do it anyway and was in reality asking him whether he was going to continue to be her boyfriend regardless.

Anyway, the situation was almost identical to yours. Funny thing. When girls work in a strip club they end up hanging out with other strippers, for reasons not the least of which are that they share a common degradation (mutual support) and their hours are the same. Her old friends will disappear and her new friends will drag her into the gutter.

This is not a maybe. Try to ask yourself how many successful relationships involve the statement "so she pole-danced for a few years before she graduated and we built up a deposit for a house, and now here you are, junior".

Zero.

P.S. The most ridiculous part of that original story is that every guy the boyfriend was on bad terms with had a merry old time staring at his girl's titties while they got drinks served by her, and she wasn't even dancing. In the end, she dumped him (who could abide such a cuck?) and it utterly destroyed him. This 6'4" 240 pound Adonis became a pale, bitter hermit.

Or to put it elsewise. What on earth makes you think you're so special that you're going to "beat the cliche"?

Aside, your sex life will instantly be flushed down the shitter for the same reason most of the boyfriends of professional masseuses don't get free backrubs.

What does "fml" mean?

Quote: (02-21-2017 07:16 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

What does "fml" mean?

fml = "Fuck my life"

Quote: (02-20-2017 03:03 PM)Jtguthrie12 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-20-2017 02:59 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

Speaking as a new guy here...

Dudes are going to be nutting during lapdances, saying disrespectful things to her, and she's going to pretend to like it for money.

You're either 100% into this or you need to demote her to plate. I get the impression it's crossing your mind, so I'll advice in advance not to even consider investing your money in someone who sees this as a viable alternative to working 30 hours a week. You're not going to save her from herself.

Its not the fact that she doesnt want to work 30+ hours a week its the idea that layoffs might be fastly approaching and she might lose her job and not be able to take care of herself.

She is a sane human being with a good head on her shoulder that is just trying to find a way to make ends meet... Yea i know I hate that.. The more i think about it the more im starting to say im not okay with it.

1) The others are right - this is a bad idea.
2) Let the layoffs come when they do, she can then file for unemployment.
3) She should immediately begin looking for better work. Whats wrong with waiting tables? She has a car - she can drive for Uber or Lyft.

You want your girlfriend to get really good at using men for money and validation? What makes you think she won't use those skillz on you in the end?

Quote: (02-20-2017 02:59 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

1) The others are right - this is a bad idea.
2) Let the layoffs come when they do, she can then file for unemployment.
3) She should immediately begin looking for better work. Whats wrong with waiting tables? She has a car - she can drive for Uber or Lyft.

This is the biggest red flag to me. How many rungs down is stripping from her current, respectable day job making $20/hr? Like, there is no way she could get a similar job? At all? Anywhere? No way she could parlay her current experience into another arena?

Bail while you can.

On another note: Why do we even allow women to work?

Quote: (02-21-2017 06:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Try to ask yourself how many successful relationships involve the statement "so she pole-danced for a few years before she graduated and we built up a deposit for a house, and now here you are, junior".

Bingo. In theory, jaded adults can compartmentalize all you like, but when it comes down to introducing your beloved to family, let alone raising kids, the illusion of acceptability falls apart. It's the fact it's baked into her history that she then needs to either avoid talking about or maintain a cover-story.

Women demonstrate a serious lapse in judgment to not even think about these long-term ramifications and do it anyway. So even if it's in the rear-view mirror it's absolutely justifiable to judge them on it.

I think the worst part of Jean Valjean's story is that the prostitute left him instead of him dumping and divorcing her.

He had a prostitute think she was better than him. Enough to dump him. To me that says it all.

My god what are we coming to?

Lay the law down man - or next her.

The only way to be OK with this is if you have a cuckold fetish.

Quote: (02-21-2017 07:16 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

What does "fml" mean?

It means "My life got fucked because I married a hooker"

Say what you like about single women in their early 30s who are done with college, but there are a few advantages:

a) they fuck good

b) they generally have real jobs.