Quote: (10-17-2015 11:43 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

8. Most women have had about 70 sex partners in a year, if not more.

Gotta call bullshit on that one. Less than 1% of women would have 70 sexual partners in a lifetime. It's just not in their biology.

The notion of 70 sexual partners in a year is using a male mentality on feminism generated female opportunity.

There are many many red pill truths but this notion falls into the category of extreme exaggeration.

Otherwise a solid list.

Online dating experiments were the biggest red pill for me.

I've followed a similar path to game after a particularly damaging interaction with a woman. Read Roosh's Bang and the rest is history. My list would be...

Be confident...if you don't feel it naturally, then fake it til u make it.

Nothing beats a failure but a try, so always make an attempt.

Listen to her but always proceed with your plan for how you want the interaction to go.

Have fun! It's called game for a reason.

Don't agree with a 70+ nothes for a woman in a year.

Before game I used to think people just clicked and hooked up. Whenever I asked my friends how they found a girl, they would say "it just happened." No one actually gave me actionable advice. I began to believe there was a secret code of innuendo and body language that I was not cool enough to get, or I just wasn't hot enough to click with any girl.

My biggest game lesson was that things don't just happen, and women don't make things happen. Due to human biology men make it happen. I had to hit on girls, I had to ask them out, I had to close with them. Once I realized that I started to get bangs.

Expecting things to just happen is like being a male peacock waiting for the female to flash you her tail feathers.

For me, The "red pill" and "game" are two different things.

Red pill means the truth about the way the world works.

Game means the ability to get girls.

They are obviously related but there is much more to the red pill than just girls.

(red pill politics, red pill philosophy, red pill psychology, red pill history, etc.)

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That said, my biggest lessons were:

Red Pill: Human beings are not special in any way. We are simply the smartest of the animals.

Game: Effort is the most important thing. Most guys simply dont try hard enough.

Quote: (10-29-2015 07:45 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2015 11:43 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

8. Most women have had about 70 sex partners in a year, if not more.

Gotta call bullshit on that one. Less than 1% of women would have 70 sexual partners in a lifetime. It's just not in their biology.

The notion of 70 sexual partners in a year is using a male mentality on feminism generated female opportunity.

There are many many red pill truths but this notion falls into the category of extreme exaggeration.

Otherwise a solid list.

It's just my group of friends. I associate with a bunch of good looking girls in their 20s, most of whom are waitresses, bartenders, or strippers (or former strippers). Beautiful girls, too. But the amount of sex partners they have had is staggering.

Now, that's probably not true with your average looking college educated girl who is now working as a teacher, nurse, or for a non-profit, just looking to meet a "decent guy" off OkCupid. Ironically, these girls are both harder to bang and less fun to hang out with. ("How interesting. Tell me more about your dog...")

Frankly, there are days when I want to be a mentor for my friends, and explain that "You do understand that by fucking all these random guys, you've ruined yourself for any non-beta male in their 30s, right? Do you think any man who values themselves would marry a gal on the wrong side of 30 who has banged 70 dudes?"

But then it just comes out "pass me another shot."

-It's not hard to get laid it's hard to pull quality.

-You can get laid being a broke loser, there is no excuse.

-Power comes to the men that take initiative, act, and change as they go through life.

-Women are overgrown children. Fun is preferable to value to them.

-Equality is a farce. Opportunity is the only thing that has equality.

Quote: (10-29-2015 01:27 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Quote: (10-29-2015 07:45 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2015 11:43 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

8. Most women have had about 70 sex partners in a year, if not more.

Gotta call bullshit on that one. Less than 1% of women would have 70 sexual partners in a lifetime. It's just not in their biology.

The notion of 70 sexual partners in a year is using a male mentality on feminism generated female opportunity.

There are many many red pill truths but this notion falls into the category of extreme exaggeration.

Otherwise a solid list.

It's just my group of friends. I associate with a bunch of good looking girls in their 20s, most of whom are waitresses, bartenders, or strippers (or former strippers). Beautiful girls, too. But the amount of sex partners they have had is staggering.

Wow, then that's just about the most fucked up thing I've seen on these forums.

For a hot girl - 70 fucks per year would be just about a liveable wage for a prostitute. I don't think these girls can be helped.

Her: "I kinda have a boyfriend."

Me: "Who cares?"

I go to the bathroom. I hear her through the door.

Her: "Don't tell (boyfriend's name)."

Your race, skin colour means jack shit to having success with women. Period.
Are some women prejudiced though? Yes.
But can you blow away their initial perceptions? Yes

I'm of Indian descent but born and bred in New Zealand. I never experienced any IRT symptoms. That being said I noticed a lot frustrated Indians throughout high school and university getting zero action. I had occasional thoughts, it can't be because they're brown right? But it wasn't just them; any guy who had nothing going in his life and had no backbone, irregardless of race, never had any kind of continuous success with women. Its just that Indians, and even Asians, had a larger percentage of these types of spineless guys leading me to believe that it was race associated.

While I was/am no player, I always had some options because of a strong social life and an active lifestyle. I have average looks and height. Its my attitude and confidence that brought me some success. After being on this forum for the past year, reading and taking notes from solid articles and posts, and incorporating the plethora of life-changing advice into my life, my results have sky-rocketed. In the past year or so, I've achieved 9 notches. Nothing great, especially compared to you guys but its a start. "But I thought my race and skin colour does make a difference" says the IRT with defiance. Total bullshit. One night at a mates party about three months ago, I was in the zone, I felt like I was on top of the world. I approached a pretty girl there, grabbed her number, asked her out and after a few dates got the bang. She told me after a few meets "You're different. You're really confident." I slapped her ass. She loved it. Any race associated stigma was blown out of the water for good.

Any IRT's or other race trolls reading this, if an average "spec" guy like me can succeed you absolutely can. Just believe.

Regarding red pill and gaming, I think that we are always learning, as long as we stay somewhat in the game and if we are at least trying to keep red pill ideas in our ways of interacting with women.

I don’t completely buy into this framework of red / blue pill, but I do agree that the framework has some value, at least in the sense that a guy needs to be more in control of the male/female relationship, otherwise the girl loses respect and willingness to bang and also will begin to look around for a redpill replacement (if she does not look consciously, she will do it unconsciously or in other ways treat the guy as her lesser, which is not a good place to be).

There are so many life situations that present themselves to make sure that you are the guy in the relationship, whether you are single and pursuing multiple girls or if you are in a longer term relationship (LTR).

Currently, I am in a LTR, but sometimes, I really get irritated by the whole thing, and accordingly, sometimes I need to put myself into gaming thinking in order to not give in to some of her bullshit and her attempts at challenging my position in the relationship….

Yes, all chicks seem to get into some kinds of bullshit in which they want to attempt to control you in a variety of ways, whether it is playing around with whether they are going to put out or somehow being immature in allowing space or just testing you out to see if she can get her way.

I have been in my current LTR for nearly a year and a half, and on average about once a month, I get some kind of drama in which she seems to be testing what I am going to do, and generally giving in would be the worst thing to do when she is playing the drama card. Accordingly, my strategy is to further detach from her. It is not easy to detach, sometimes, yet I know that my biggest mistakes in game have been to be too eager or to give into the chick too soon, and she loses respect for you.

My current drama from her has resulted in my detaching from her for the whole weekend, and my most recent text to her was, “ I know a person who is completely bonkers.” Accordingly, I plan to only reengage with her if she accepts that she is completely bonkers (or some variation of that assertion). It’s an ongoing situation, so if she does not accept my representation, then most likely we are going to continue to be detached…. and that would be my opportunity for a “next.”

Long story short is that I am asserting that gaming mistakes can be to give in to the chick too early and allow the chick to establish the frame of the relationship, which I have done plenty of times in the past.

Nice guys finish last

This goes more into the game lesson category but here's my two cents:

1. Alot of game is momentum. Momentum comes and goes. When you have your logistics, game, venues, and well-being in alignment, you can run through ridiculous amounts of women. But then one of those factors changes. and the same tricks stop working, the party is over, you get frustrated and start doubting yourself. At this point, you should not try to brute force your way through. You can't force anyone to like you. You need to take a step back, focus on yourself for a while, expand your mind, hit the gym harder, pursue your hobbies more, take a vacation etc. Then come back with a fresh open mind and change your game up. Open up a new niche with renewed confidence and energy, and the momentum will build up again.

2. Don't go hitting on women alone. Having solid dudes in your corner keeping your positivity up is crucial. Ten rejections alone would crush my psyche. A hundred rejections and a good drinking buddy to laugh it all off shucks the negativity right off my shoulders. Be honest with your failures and successes. and return the favor of positivity and support back to your friends.

3. Be different, have a niche, have an advantage. I think this one is fairly obvious but it needs to be expanded upon. I think pure random cold approaching is a waste of time. I cringe at shit like simple pickup or RSD. I think its important to have some familiarity with the environment, to be recognized in your niche. ex:you play music at a small local hipster bar or you are billy badass in your local coed sports league. sometimes just looking different gets you laid. A certain ethnicity of girls might value your particular look. black girls into asian guys, asian girls into white guys, white girls into black guys etc.

Fairly decent advice...

I would warn against always looking for a friend to go out with tho. At some point you have to know what it's like to game solo. I used to have this mindset and trust me a poor wingman can do more harm than good in alot of ways. It does take some getting used to, to stay positive solo. Alot of the advice already given has worked well for me. Stay positive and chatty with the staff at any venue, engage people around you, and always remember its supposed to be fun. I could care less what people think of me as long as I'm having a good time. Positive energy attracts positive energy.

This world will give you nothing. That is probably one of the biggest red pill lessons I've learned.

Quote: (01-26-2016 10:57 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

This world will give you nothing. That is probably one of the biggest red pill lessons I've learned.

If you could only take one thing from the red pill, it's this.

If you want something, you've got to go out and get it.

[quote='Giovonny' pid='1138635' dateline='1446140005']
For me, The "red pill" and "game" are two different things.

Red pill means the truth about the way the world works.

Game means the ability to get girls.

They are obviously related but there is much more to the red pill than just girls.

(red pill politics, red pill philosophy, red pill psychology, red pill history, etc.)

--

Thats kinda of why I joined this forum really. Not to learn game, but to take in some red pill principles (you will notice this by reading my original post). But I didnt know how to say this in a way people on this forum would understand.

Biggest Red Pill- Being the nice guy gets you sweet fuck all

Quote: (01-26-2016 10:39 AM)3Jay0609 Wrote:  

Fairly decent advice...

I would warn against always looking for a friend to go out with tho. At some point you have to know what it's like to game solo. I used to have this mindset and trust me a poor wingman can do more harm than good in alot of ways. It does take some getting used to, to stay positive solo. Alot of the advice already given has worked well for me. Stay positive and chatty with the staff at any venue, engage people around you, and always remember its supposed to be fun. I could care less what people think of me as long as I'm having a good time. Positive energy attracts positive energy.

I think that this is really a good point.

I don't really roll with wingmen; however, if you mostly roll solo, then you have to figure out ways to make up for the dynamics of not having an obvious backer by creating a kind of impression that you have a variety of backers and other options. Girls are much more attracted to you when they perceive that you are not desperate and that you have options.

Frequently, I have also had troubles with supposed wingmen, and maybe that is my own fault by failing to build certain trust with the wingmen, and making sure that wer are on the same page regarding girls that we are potentially pursuing. A problem can be, sometimes, that if you are out with a "wingman," there can be ambiguity regarding whether a girl is already taken.... and then I get really pissed off at the guy when he crosses over the line... so there is some unspoken ambiguity in those kinds of situations... unless you are able to clarify a lot of the potential scenarios before hand... or at least somehow able to communicate boundaries with each other while the situation evolves.

Women dont want you to tell them the truth.

Quote: (01-25-2016 11:58 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Regarding red pill and gaming, I think that we are always learning, as long as we stay somewhat in the game and if we are at least trying to keep red pill ideas in our ways of interacting with women.

I don’t completely buy into this framework of red / blue pill, but I do agree that the framework has some value, at least in the sense that a guy needs to be more in control of the male/female relationship, otherwise the girl loses respect and willingness to bang and also will begin to look around for a redpill replacement (if she does not look consciously, she will do it unconsciously or in other ways treat the guy as her lesser, which is not a good place to be).

There are so many life situations that present themselves to make sure that you are the guy in the relationship, whether you are single and pursuing multiple girls or if you are in a longer term relationship (LTR).

Currently, I am in a LTR, but sometimes, I really get irritated by the whole thing, and accordingly, sometimes I need to put myself into gaming thinking in order to not give in to some of her bullshit and her attempts at challenging my position in the relationship….

Yes, all chicks seem to get into some kinds of bullshit in which they want to attempt to control you in a variety of ways, whether it is playing around with whether they are going to put out or somehow being immature in allowing space or just testing you out to see if she can get her way.

I have been in my current LTR for nearly a year and a half, and on average about once a month, I get some kind of drama in which she seems to be testing what I am going to do, and generally giving in would be the worst thing to do when she is playing the drama card. Accordingly, my strategy is to further detach from her. It is not easy to detach, sometimes, yet I know that my biggest mistakes in game have been to be too eager or to give into the chick too soon, and she loses respect for you.

My current drama from her has resulted in my detaching from her for the whole weekend, and my most recent text to her was, “ I know a person who is completely bonkers.” Accordingly, I plan to only reengage with her if she accepts that she is completely bonkers (or some variation of that assertion). It’s an ongoing situation, so if she does not accept my representation, then most likely we are going to continue to be detached…. and that would be my opportunity for a “next.”

Long story short is that I am asserting that gaming mistakes can be to give in to the chick too early and allow the chick to establish the frame of the relationship, which I have done plenty of times in the past.

In the past few hours, I have been pretty much trading text back and forth with the girlfriend, in which she pretty much conceding that she is a bit of a psycho... without really admitting it.

My girlfriend is very stubborn sometimes, and really you gotta read between the lines, as with any girl about what they say and what they do... as what was said by Agreddor.. what girls say and what they do can be two separate things (whether you call it lying or something else).

This particular relationship still works for me - otherwise I would not be keeping an open the dialogue with a psycho... .. yet, possibly, some guys may suggest that it is not really red pill to either be in a LTR or to put up with a girl who can be labelled as psycho... yet all girls tend to become more and more psycho and attempts at controlling the longer in a relationship... and maybe that is the reason never (should we say never?) get married.

Anyhow, my main point is that I consider the redpill aspect of this situation is to not to concede to my gf by allowing her to define our current drama situation as anything other than her getting emotional and her acting out....

I agree that sometimes it may be better to move on, to next and to find some more stimulating situation, and each guy has to decide the extent to which he believes the girl is attempting to call too many of the shots in the relationship - beyond the level of tolerable compromise.

Quote: (10-29-2015 07:45 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2015 11:43 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

8. Most women have had about 70 sex partners in a year, if not more.

Gotta call bullshit on that one. Less than 1% of women would have 70 sexual partners in a lifetime. It's just not in their biology.

The notion of 70 sexual partners in a year is using a male mentality on feminism generated female opportunity.

There are many many red pill truths but this notion falls into the category of extreme exaggeration.

Otherwise a solid list.

Although he is totally off-base in the "70 partners a year" statement, I'd guesstimate that attractive women have 100 sexual opportunities a year. Same effect really.

Red pill lessons:

Being nice does not mean fuck all (having said that I am nice to my friends which are all guys because I want to have a good time)

Respect has to be earned

If you havent ever failed, you have never tried, or your goals are simply just too low or unambitious

Engaging women's emotions in a deliberate, studied way is one of the most effective ways to seduce them. The techniques to engage their emotions work, with minor exceptions, across all cultures and ethnicities. There is an actual science behind it and it's called evolutionary psychology.

You have to experience game and situations in the field for them to be internalized.

You will come on different sticking points, seek those who are more experienced to help you out.

Get information from different sources and apply it to yourself and your personality.

Game isn't just a women thing, it's a manhood and lifestyle thing.

Game comes in waves but if you persist there will be an obvious uptrend.

My 2 pesos,

1. Wallet kills Romeo.
2. 90% of the women prefer avoiding losses to acquiring gains. You will not loose her for being an asshole, you will loose her for being apologetic.
3. If you are 25 years old and fuck over 50 women in your life you are probably on the top 10%, keep that in mind, you are rocking. Keep the good work.
4. After 30 people will not change, specially not for you.
5. When in doubt, chill out.
6. In 100 years we will all be dead, enjoy the ride.
7. Find yourself, is not all about banging all the time, is about enjoying the ride and getting what you want in life.
8. Do not worry about shit you cannot control.