Quote: (12-10-2015 11:04 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 09:16 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Brazil without learning Portuguese? (and not knowing Spanish-Portunhol either) : once again, the language issue pops up.

Using logic, your criteria, and their own travel experience, most members here have said:

it's SEA all the way for you. The Phils, BKK or SGN. Bali maybe? Please note that SEA is not only about Asians women, you have lots of Western female backpackers to pick up in many places there... They might be described as "smelly hostels dwellers", which they often are, but... some are cute. You wouldn't have anything against a 22 years old blonde German looking for fun in Bangkok, would you? So, I'd say, give SEA a try!

I hadn't considered SEA before this thread, as I really only researched the countries Roosh wrote about. I bought his "Life's Work" package when he released that a while back, so SEA never popped up in my mind.

Given the overwhelming bias towards SEA, I think I'll go with that. The question now is, which country?

I'll have to do some more reading in other threads and come to a more definite conclusion.

One thing I'm deathly afraid of is lady-boys. I know it's probably over-played in media, but the thought of a dude who looks like a woman, and you can't tell the difference scares the shit out of me. I know Thailand has the worst rap for that, so that's probably one country I will cross of the list of potentials.

Then cross every country in SEA off your list, because there are ladyboys in all of them. And probably in every country for that matter.

I'm starting to think you aren't serious about this.

Quote: (12-10-2015 11:31 AM)Sweet Pea Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 11:04 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 09:16 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Brazil without learning Portuguese? (and not knowing Spanish-Portunhol either) : once again, the language issue pops up.

Using logic, your criteria, and their own travel experience, most members here have said:

it's SEA all the way for you. The Phils, BKK or SGN. Bali maybe? Please note that SEA is not only about Asians women, you have lots of Western female backpackers to pick up in many places there... They might be described as "smelly hostels dwellers", which they often are, but... some are cute. You wouldn't have anything against a 22 years old blonde German looking for fun in Bangkok, would you? So, I'd say, give SEA a try!

I hadn't considered SEA before this thread, as I really only researched the countries Roosh wrote about. I bought his "Life's Work" package when he released that a while back, so SEA never popped up in my mind.

Given the overwhelming bias towards SEA, I think I'll go with that. The question now is, which country?

I'll have to do some more reading in other threads and come to a more definite conclusion.

One thing I'm deathly afraid of is lady-boys. I know it's probably over-played in media, but the thought of a dude who looks like a woman, and you can't tell the difference scares the shit out of me. I know Thailand has the worst rap for that, so that's probably one country I will cross of the list of potentials.

Then cross every country in SEA off your list, because there are ladyboys in all of them. And probably in every country for that matter.

I'm starting to think you aren't serious about this.

You think I'm not serious because I don't want to fuck a transvestite?

The USA has trannies. I'm not worried about them. Just the ones that look identical to real women. Is all of Asia overrun with them or something? I thought that was a Hollywood myth?

Quote: (12-10-2015 11:41 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

You think I'm not serious because I don't want to fuck a transvestite?

The USA has trannies. I'm not worried about them. Just the ones that look identical to real women. Is all of Asia overrun with them or something? I thought that was a Hollywood myth?

No, he thinks you're not serious because you supposedly have a "deathly" fear of trannies based on no personal experience whatsoever. That statement of yours made me think the exact same thing.

Your initial thoughts were Brazil because Roosh said it was cool? You really cannot be serious here. It doesn't seem like you've done even minimal research for what is presumably a significant undertaking.

If you were actually serious, you would have already visited at least one of these countries (or Brazil) for one month, to see if the life there was acceptable to you. Since you are location independent, presumably such a trip would be trivial. The fact that you haven't already done this is an indicator that this is just trolling.

Quote: (12-10-2015 12:52 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 11:41 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

You think I'm not serious because I don't want to fuck a transvestite?

The USA has trannies. I'm not worried about them. Just the ones that look identical to real women. Is all of Asia overrun with them or something? I thought that was a Hollywood myth?

No, he thinks you're not serious because you supposedly have a "deathly" fear of trannies based on no personal experience whatsoever. That statement of yours made me think the exact same thing.

Your initial thoughts were Brazil because Roosh said it was cool? You really cannot be serious here. It doesn't seem like you've done even minimal research for what is presumably a significant undertaking.

If you were actually serious, you would have already visited at least one of these countries (or Brazil) for one month, to see if the life there was acceptable to you. Since you are location independent, presumably such a trip would be trivial. The fact that you haven't already done this is an indicator that this is just trolling.

You're going to say I'm either an idiot or a troll, but that's fine.

My honest opinion/plan was as such:

The biggest expense in moving abroad is the plane ticket. I'd rather just pack up and leave all at once then go here for a month, there for a week, etc, draining my savings.

Maybe that's naive. But I read a lot of different accounts that compare life in the US to abroad. Keep in mind, I don't really need much. If I have AC, a decent place, electricity, a nice climate and beautiful women, I'm happy.

Some of you guys need 3k just to feel OK. I can see how you might need to visit before moving.

Not everyone who has a different mindset is a troll. I think you need to realize that just because we agree on a few basic tenets (feminism is bad, travelling is good, etc) doesn't mean we need to think EXACTLY alike.

Maybe what I've said/thought is foolish. If so, I accept this. I'm here to learn, not preach. If you want to judge me, that's ok too. I'm not here to prove myself. I'm thankful for the advice and wisdom that's been given to me, regardless of your opinions of me personally.

Quote: (12-09-2015 11:18 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Yeah don't take that crap from Worldwide. He is jaded! , and he lived in EE for under 2k if I remember.

That being said..living good is often more expensive overseas since luxury costs a premium and living like poor Egor isn't a pussy attractant!

I do think it is interesting to budget the minimum you need..at first. Then you learn NOT to be taken to the cleaners.

* I spend between 2500 and 3 k a month living in NYC..so anything is possible! and I could spend 10k a month if I wanted to.

It's true, my middle name is Jaded, afterall.

I was spending about 2k a month in Ukraine. I wasn't a bachelor there, though, and would have spent more if I was single. Everytime we went out I would end up spending a hundred dollars somehow. haha

That was back when the Hryvnia was 4 to 1 US.

The point I was making was I didn't look for Ukraine because it fit my pocket book. I went there because I wanted too. I wouldn't want to be trapped to only certain countries because of money. The OP hasn't even been out of the country yet making grand plans of living in 3rd world. He should get some quick trips out before he makes the big move to see if his is what he really wants.


The problem with youth is they think they know it all.

I've been working on my own for about a decade now. I don't know how anyone could feel safe only making 1500 a month. Especially if that income has stagnated for the past 5 years.

Quote: (12-10-2015 04:51 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

These "assumptions" make them feel better about themselves
Which is understandable, but what i don't respect is the putting words into people's mouths either. I feel like a lot of people ITT would gain a lot from reading this book (including you just for kicks) BTW, having $15k in savings is pretty fucking good. now you need to put it in an index fund to really rake in the cash $$.

Actually, you sound more like you're trying to feed your ego because of your choices. I understood where you were coming from and agreed to a certain extent. I had a blast when I was young and broke. I think you're getting carried away now.

First of all, I was also building skill sets that would allow me to make a lot of money consulting and then work for myself. I wouldn't have done that if I choose your lifestyle or the OP's for a long time.

The OP said he was around 25. He has been doing this since 20. He probably has very little in terms of marketable skills to fall back on if his business fails. They do fail. A lot...

Since he has been a Tim Ferris wannabe he has little money saved up. You saying he will be raking in the cash if he invested 15k into an index fund is silly and tells me you need to rethink your decisions.

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We're not "shaming" anyone for living lavish lifestyles. it would just be nice if you just admit you haven't seen both sides of the coin.

Yes, you were trying to shame others.

I have seen it from both sides and would rather have the money. There is no trophy for living a life of barely scraping by. Let's see how your lifestyle goes when you hit your 30's and 40's.

OP, you really need to do much more research about potential destinations, then when you have a couple countries come back and ask specific questions. At this point you don't even know what you like, and you don't know which countries offer those things, about their economies, visa rules etc.

Those are all facts you can research, and it'll help narrow things down to the point where you can get more subjective advice. Right now just picking based on a budget is pointless if for example it turns out you can only stay in said country for 90 days out of 6 months for example, or if you hate the climate, or any number of reasons.

15 years ago before I left the U.S. for the first time I spent dozens of hours at Barnes and Noble and read every travel book I could on the destinations that interested me, I researched the visa rules, and I eliminated places that were incompatible for various reasons.

When you have a better idea of what you want, and more basic data on these places, then guys here can tell you the inside scoop and fine details. But right now you seem to have little idea not only what you want but what these places are about. A fear of trannies is an example of this.

...

This dude is a troll.

Quote: (12-10-2015 02:46 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 04:51 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

These "assumptions" make them feel better about themselves
Which is understandable, but what i don't respect is the putting words into people's mouths either. I feel like a lot of people ITT would gain a lot from reading this book (including you just for kicks) BTW, having $15k in savings is pretty fucking good. now you need to put it in an index fund to really rake in the cash $$.

Actually, you sound more like you're trying to feed your ego because of your choices. I understood where you were coming from and agreed to a certain extent. I had a blast when I was young and broke. I think you're getting carried away now.

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We're not "shaming" anyone for living lavish lifestyles. it would just be nice if you just admit you haven't seen both sides of the coin.

Yes, you were trying to shame others.

I have seen it from both sides and would rather have the money. There is no trophy for living a life of barely scraping by. Let's see how your lifestyle goes when you hit your 30's and 40's.

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Quote: (12-07-2015 07:35 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

Jesus christ, have some discipline.

You did write this no?

I'm not going to pull all of your quotes, but this is what is called shaming.



Trying to push your lifestyle choice (really it isn't a choice when you don't have enough money for anything else) as a "Entering Manhood" stage is silly. Just about as silly as saying you will set yourself up for success later living a "minimalist" lifestyle. Talk about ego stroking.

LOL Tranny Anatomy Detection 101...

Simple - besides caked on makeup, adams apple and heavy beard a full tranny decocked and fake vagina "Post OP" - an Inside out Cock vag and Scrots turned into hairy labia... The easiest test to verify a natural born woman is the fist and finger test...

Lube your fist and wrist - a natural born woman with some relaxation can handle the average mans fist and arm into her womb - the average womb has enough room for a mans fist and the vagina will stretch to accommodate a man's fist fingers pointed ahead and wrist - especially if she has given birth - a Tranny has NO womb so this would likely be total agony for the typical Post Op. Pre Op will still have the male Junk easy to tell.

Then as you point your fingers into the womb the tips will feel the cervix which when convulsing during coitus pumps semen into the Fallopian tubes to fertilize the eggs. The Cervix feels like a half lime or half lemon and is firm tissue unlike pliable breasts. In renaissance times courtesans would juice a half lime or lemon and cap their cervix with it and pushed down to create a suction grip and then bang away on their backs with the citrus half peel shell a fairly effective early form of diaphragm like contraceptive.

So no womb, no cervix, NO woman - natural born anyway.

Also if they taste like Moet its time to Play - if not time to trot out of there.

Quote: (12-10-2015 04:37 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (12-07-2015 07:35 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

Jesus christ, have some discipline.

You did write this no?
I'm not going to pull all of your quotes, but this is what is called shaming.

That was in response to the ludicrous suggestion to bump a budget to $2000/mo for a 25-year old to live in a 3rd world country, which is a statement i stand by.

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Trying to push your lifestyle choice (really it isn't a choice when you don't have enough money for anything else) as a "Entering Manhood" stage is silly. Just about as silly as saying you will set yourself up for success later living a "minimalist" lifestyle.

Really, because just 2 years after Vietnam I was living in a modern furnished condo in Singapore just 3 blocks from the clubbing district working just 20 hr/week with money to blow in labs and government agencies, at private parties and yacht parties surrounded by entrepreneurs and club owners (some costing $100 just for cover). Took vacations 3 times just last summer alone.

please, tell me more about my "lifestyle choice"
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double post thanks to the captcha.

Quote: (12-10-2015 05:14 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

That was in response to the ludicrous suggestion to bump a budget to $2000/mo for a 25-year old living in a 3rd world country, which is a statement i stand by.

Cmon, that was far more reasonable than the ridiculous manhood statement you made.

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Really, because just 2 years after Vietnam I was living in a modern furnished condo in Singapore just 3 blocks from the clubbing district working just 20 hr/week with money to blow in labs and government agencies, at private parties and yacht parties surrounded by entrepreneurs and club owners (some costing $100 just for cover). Took vacations 3 times just last summer alone

but please, tell me more about my "lifestyle choice"
.

haha So that is what success is in your world? Now I understand why you think putting 15k into a index fund would be considered raking in the cash.

Being surrounded by people who are successful does not make you a success.

I can get 9s if I want them, but I choose to bang 5s. It's a passage to manhood.

Quote: (12-10-2015 05:49 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

I can get 9s if I want them, but I choose to bang 5s. It's a passage to manhood.

ha This thread reminds me of Neil and how he kept getting cockblocked because of money.

Quote: (12-10-2015 06:00 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 05:49 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

I can get 9s if I want them, but I choose to bang 5s. It's a passage to manhood.

ha This thread reminds me of Neil and how he kept getting cockblocked because of money.

Which thread was that? Thanks.

Quote: (12-10-2015 06:12 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 06:00 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 05:49 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

I can get 9s if I want them, but I choose to bang 5s. It's a passage to manhood.

ha This thread reminds me of Neil and how he kept getting cockblocked because of money.

Which thread was that? Thanks.

Sam, if I recall correctly, I believe it was when he was in Brazil. I don't know the actual thread, but that should give you an idea of what to search for.

For this thread to be successful we need to differentiate between cities that are livable at 1,500$/month and cities that would only cost 1,500$/month for a short-term stay.

I would think that I could do most American cities on $1,500 in cities where you can get rent for $750, which is practically all of them minus NYC, LA, and SF - if you are willing to get a roommate (and why wouldn't you if you only make $1,500/month). I have a friend that pays $750 in Boston near the colleges (2 bedroom w/roommate) and Boston is the 3rd most expensive city rent-wise in the U.S. right now.

I know you can do it anywhere in China (not counting HK). Rent in China is pretty reasonable, especially if you know how to navigate the Chinese rental websites.

I know you can do it in Taiwan - same as above.

Vietnam is very easy to pull off.

Thailand is easy to pull off.

I am not in any way saying I want to live this lifestyle, nor am I saying that I have any interest in only making $1,500 month. I am saying that I know for a fact that I could live in any of these places for $1,500/month guaranteed.

I also don't understand why people are considering drinking/club/party money in this debate. It's optional, and something that you shouldn't be spending if you only have $1,500 to play around with.

Quote: (12-10-2015 09:20 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  

For this thread to be successful...

The possibility for that is long gone I'm afraid.

Quote: (12-10-2015 05:20 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 05:14 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

Really, because just 2 years after Vietnam I was living in a modern furnished condo in Singapore just 3 blocks from the clubbing district working just 20 hr/week with money to blow in labs and government agencies, at private parties and yacht parties surrounded by entrepreneurs and club owners (some costing $100 just for cover). Took vacations 3 times just last summer alone

but please, tell me more about my "lifestyle choice"

haha So that is what success is in your world? Now I understand why you think putting 15k into a index fund would be considered raking in the cash.

You clearly have no idea how investing works. You put in the 15k into investments so that in later years, after compounding+contributions, the money grows into something more substantial providing financial freedom. To have 15k locked in at 25 he's easily beating out most Americans (who are probably still paying off student loans at that point)

And feel free to post us pictures of your mansion while you're at it

Quote: (12-10-2015 10:35 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2015 09:20 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  

For this thread to be successful...

The possibility for that is long gone I'm afraid.

Hey, discussion is discussion i think OPs got all the answers he needs at this point
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Quote: (12-11-2015 01:02 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

You clearly have no idea how investing works. You put in the 15k into investments so that in later years, after compounding+contributions, the money grows into something more substantial providing financial freedom. To have 15k locked in at 25 he's easily beating out most Americans (who are probably still paying off student loans at that point)

Right, you know investing... That is why you're buying used mattresses off of craigslist and looking at purchasing stuff from Walmart so you can take it back.

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Is this still your progression into manhood or is that what you consider being successful?

Having 15k in the bank for a person running their own business is not doing well. Especially when you factor in he's been making the same amount of money for the past 5 years.

Then you think him investing what little cash cushion he has and putting it away for 20 or so years is a good idea.

The OP had a good start on being independent. The problem is scale. He either doesn't want to put the work into scaling the business or it can't be scaled. This reminds me of a guy who used to boast about his income online. He mainly wrote articles and submitted them online to directories and received traffic and in turn sold stuff. He thought he was hot shit and kept boasting on about how he didn't have to work much and money kept rolling in.

I believe he was making a low 6 figures for quite a few years.

Well, it did keep rolling in for around 10 years and then Google changed their algorithms and he lost his business over night. He didn't save any money, he didn't keep expanding his traffic sources in case something like this happened. He thought he was Tim Ferris and talked about how he had everything figured out. He never listened to the rest of us telling him he was in jeopardy of losing everything if that one traffic source changed.

He lost everything and had to start over.

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And feel free to post us pictures of your mansion while you're at it

Why, you need a room to rent?

A thought entered my head which might help the OP. Sounds like he lives in a near or in a large population. Then I imagine it must have people from all over the world there.

OP, maybe you should try different ethnic foods. If you don't like the food, you would probably have a hard time living in that country. Sure you may find hamburger and fries wherever you go, but often the local attempt falls short.

Maybe my head is just out there at the moment. But I think if you want to do some research while still in the states, go try different ethnic foods, interact with the staff. Go to ethnic supermarkets and get the feel of the place. In certain cities, the China Town or Little Tokyo are little bubbles within a city and will be closest you get to a place without traveling.

^This is good. If OP doesn't even like Thai food for example then it's not a great idea to move to Thailand and live on a budget that necessitates eating exclusively local food.

This is definitely along the lines of necessary research that it doesn't seem OP has done yet, that many have suggested he do.

He needs to find out what he likes or doesn't first, then which countries offer those things, and then which of those countries it's possible for him to live in.