[Jack D. Serrano]

(10-16-2011 09:46 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I think the thing to remember is that women (primarily American) are disloyal to most. They're disloyal to each other, and even more disloyal to men. They think only of their own wants and needs most of the time, and how they can satisfy those needs. Not only will they fuck around on YOU if they think they've found a better deal, but will fuck a friend's boyfriend/husband if they want him. They don't possess the same sense of honor that men do, they honor no codes, there IS NO sisterhood among them.

If you consistently are around disloyal women then, yeah, you'll start thinking all women are disloyal.

Thing is, lots of guys do everything perfectly to attract disloyal, dishonest women into their lives, while making sure that any loyal, honest woman wouldn't want anything to do with him. Then they complain that there are no good, loyal girls around.

A woman either IS or ISN'T a loyal person.
None of the tactics or tricks in the book can change that.
You can make a disloyal woman pretend to be loyal for a time by offering her more/better of whatever she wants, even if she is completely in love with you. But if you find a woman who is a loyal human being, do things right so that you let her fall completely in love with you, then nobody can make her disloyal/cheat short of rape/violence.

If you think all women are cheaters, guess what - you, your actions and your words attract cheaters into your life.

Some women are loyal, but not all. Some women are disloyal, but not all.
No, you can't just ask.
It takes a lot of time with the woman and experience with women to find out.

It's always a smart idea to make sure the girl has proven her loyalty and honesty over a long period of time before ever accepting when she begs you to be her BF/marry her.

For me, when I get even a hint that a woman has been a cheater, might be a cheater, or is a cheater, she is instantly disqualified from being a potential GF. Want to take a guess as to why I never end up with disloyal women?

The question to ask yourself is - what actions are you taking that could possibly leave you only being able to meet/date disloyal/cheating women?

Peace,
Jack D. Serrano

[blurb]

O.K. Jack, or should I say Jacqueline? Are you a woman? Only a woman would write something like that.

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If you consistently are around disloyal women then, yeah, you'll start thinking all women are disloyal.

Or perhaps all women really are disloyal. Why does political correctness always have to come into every conversation?! Stereotypes don't come out of nowhere.

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None of the tactics or tricks in the book can change that.

Oh yes it can. It's called Game.

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Thing is, lots of guys do everything perfectly to attract disloyal, dishonest women into their lives, while making sure that any loyal, honest woman wouldn't want anything to do with him. Then they complain that there are no good, loyal girls around.

O.K. Now, I am about 90% sure that you are a woman. Guys do everything to attract disloyal women, while repelling loyal women? In case you haven't noticed, a woman can get sex easier than a man can. Nice guys finish last, while badboys get al the girls. A man that sleeps around with many women is actually seen as higher value in the eyes of other women (pre-selection). More likely than not, sleeping around will actually attract a loyal woman rather than a disloyal woman.

See: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/10/1...is-finger/

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He had been dating his girlfriend for many years, during which time he has cheated on her for months at a stretch with more than one woman. His cheating, his aloof treatment of her, her friends’ dispproval… none of it seemed to have dampened her love for him. Or her loyalty to him, for as I learned from a trusted source, she never, not once in the sumptuous prime of her life when she had every excuse and rationale to do so, cheated on him.

I'm not even going to bother answering the rest of your post. You're wasting your time here. This forum isn't the place for you.

[OGNorCal707]

Okay so I haven't read through all the replies on here, which I really should do, but I think I may take a moment to play devil's advocate.

So this past year has been one of the worst years of my life, I got totally lied to, manipulated, used, and fucked over by a very fucked up ex-girlfriend, that I consider to be a complete sociopath. I was always one to want to see the good in people and be trusting of them, give them the benefit of the doubt, etc. Unfortunately I learned things the hard way, I got to see the true nature of women, or rather an extreme case of the dark, evil side that women can possess.

However, I do feel that there are good women out there. Yes, I think they're a diamond in the rough and a very small portion of the female population... But here's the thing, as guy's in this modern dating world, especially as guys' in "the game", trying to "be alpha males", and players, we often over look these nice girls.

This is where the player's paradox comes in, guys' all want to bitch about how all these women are liars, whores, and stuck up bitches... But... these are the women that players often go for. We like girls who dress sexy, like to go out and drink/party, and like to have wild kinky sex. In other words players like bad girls. A lot of guys want to have their cake and eat it too, they want the hot girl who likes to party, deep throat, and get fucked in the ass, but at the same time they want that same girl to be honest, loyal, sweet, caring, etc.

I'm not trying to say that you can't have both, that there aren't women who are sweet, caring, honest, and like to get fucked in the ass, but often there is a trade off.

Good girls don't always go out and get shit faced drunk Thurs-Saturday nights and go home with strange men that spit game at them. Often these girls are waking up early for yoga, volunteering, or reading a book at the cafe. Also these girls might also take a little bit more time investment, they may not be down to fuck on the first, second, or even third date. How many guys on this forum, would even make it to the third date? Most would probably say fuck it after the second one if they didn't at least get a blow job.

Now this kind of turned into a rant, and by no means am I trying to say there is anything wrong with the player lifestyle and we should all be going after wholesome church going girls.

In my mind these sweetheart girls are few and far between nowadays but, we got to keep it 100, and realize that sometimes we don't even give these girls the time of day. We're too busy going after that thing in the short mini-skirt, with the knee high boots, lower back tat, and that look in her eyes, that makes us think she can probably does a good job at sucking cock.

[Jack D. Serrano]

@blurb

Aw, how cute? Trying to push around the new guy on the forums.
And look! You're even pulling out the whole "are you a woman" line.
Looks like somebody is trying to be the "alpha" ...

But instead of petty attacks on you I'll post stuff that might be of value to any other guys reading this as well. Hell, maybe you're right and I'm wrong.

Let's let other guys decide for themselves who is making a more logical point, eh?

(10-16-2011 11:34 PM)blurb Wrote:  

O.K. Jack, or should I say Jacqueline? Are you a woman? Only a woman would write something like that.

Guys can decide for themselves which seems more logical and helps them expand their realities more:
-Some women are cheaters, some women are loyal. (read: it is 100% possible to find loyal women)
-All women are cheaters. (read: it is impossible to find loyal women)

Or maybe you're right and only a woman would write that some women are liars and cheaters and others are good.

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Or perhaps all women really are disloyal. Why does political correctness always have to come into every conversation?! Stereotypes don't come out of nowhere.

Political correctness has nothing to do with it.
I'm simply pointing out that some women are liars and cheaters some are not. Would you prefer I call cheaters by other, probably more appropriate, names?

Or maybe you're right and ALL women are a certain way, with no exceptions and the many people, probably lots on here, who have experienced loyal, honest women are all actually either wrong or liars.

I guess that is up for everyone else to decide for themselves.

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Oh yes it can. It's called Game.

You could call it that.

I've found it much more simple to date and play with a whole lot of women and simply disqualify quickly and ruthlessly the ones who don't match exactly what I'm looking for.

Some women are liars and cheaters, some are not.

You can either try to change them or simply find the ones who already match what you want (there are lots out there).

Both are completely valid choices. Up to you.

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O.K. Now, I am about 90% sure that you are a woman. Guys do everything to attract disloyal women, while repelling loyal women?

Yes, some guys do.

Maybe it's not an issue for you like it is a lot of guys I've met who have trouble with women. I'm sure you are able to attract and keep for years and years very loyal women who hound you for sex, bring you new girls and would take a bullet for you when asked.

But if you only date girls who cheat on their BF's with YOU then chances are very slim that you will find a loyal girl. It has nothing to do with morals, it's simply a fact. If you live in a village full of only Eskimos are you really gonna be surprised when the only girls you end up with are Eskimos? But if you don't like Eskimos, guess what? You better find a way to figure out what you need to do to find girls who aren't Eskimos.

If you don't mind being with disloyal women then it's all good. Personally, I will keep them as flings and playthings. Nothing wrong with it. But I would never in a million years think about making one my girlfriend/wife.

If you're not with loyal women AND you want to be with loyal women then yeah, you're doing something wrong.

Do you disagree?

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In case you haven't noticed, a woman can get sex easier than a man can. Nice guys finish last, while badboys get al the girls. A man that sleeps around with many women is actually seen as higher value in the eyes of other women (pre-selection).

Any other ideas from other people that you'd like to repeat in this list?

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More likely than not, sleeping around will actually attract a loyal woman rather than a disloyal woman.

I never said anything about girls getting sex or sleeping around.
If you're not in an exclusive relationship or married then she has every right to sleep with whomever she wants. Loyalty has nothing to do with it.

A guy sleeping with lots and lots of women has absolutely no bearing on whether he can find and keep a loyal girl (I know this from experience, as I'm sure many other guys here do). In fact, the men I know in life who have slept with the most women, 2000 plus, have the easiest time finding loyal women.

Some women are liars and cheaters, some are not.

Does anyone disagree?

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He had been dating his girlfriend for many years, during which time he has cheated on her for months at a stretch with more than one woman. His cheating, his aloof treatment of her, her friends’ dispproval… none of it seemed to have dampened her love for him. Or her loyalty to him, for as I learned from a trusted source, she never, not once in the sumptuous prime of her life when she had every excuse and rationale to do so, cheated on him.

Thanks for posting this. It's a prime example of a woman who is loyal.

A bad guy won't make a good girl magically turn bad.
A good guy won't make a bad girl magically turn good.

Some women are liars and cheaters, some women are not.

Anyone disagree?

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This forum isn't the place for you.

That's for Roosh or myself to decide.

If people think my posts are taking more value than they give simply because they don't conform to the same ideas that have existed in the seduction community for years, despite everything I say being based on A LOT of experience, testing and logic, and possibly adding a lot of fresh new ideas that Roosh or others can use, then I am open to discussing that with anyone either in private or in these threads.

Until then lay off the name-calling, kid.

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If I've offended anyone by presenting viewpoints that differ from your own then please, accept my sincerest apologies. It was done with the best of intentions.

Obviously, since this is an online forum and I am new to these forums, none of you can know that what I say is based on a lot of experience and testing. It probably just looks like some random dude with a small number of posts disagreeing with people. So, I ask that you judge me based on the logic I present to you and if it actually makes sense to you, personally.

Who knows. Maybe at some point, guys will start to think that I do add value to this forum. Now, how about we get back to talking to each other with respect and logic based on lots of experience and testing?

Peace,
Jack D. Serrano

[blurb]

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You're even pulling out the whole "are you a woman" line.

What's up bro? Just genuinely curious. Some women call themselves shortened boyish nicknames. Sort of like a Samantha calls herself Sam, or, in your case, Jack for Jacqueline.

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Looks like somebody is trying to be the "alpha" ...

lol Thanks for the compliment, but I've still got some more work to do.

Why don't you write a post on finding a girl for a successful LTR/marriage and keeping a girl in an LTR/marriage? You seem pretty confident on this topic. The forum could use an expert on someone on LTRs, marriages, and kids.

[Amour Fou]

(10-16-2011 01:27 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 06:08 PM)Amour Fou Wrote:  

Is this one of the first stages of enlightenment?

in buddhism, anger is the hell realm.

anger comes from

1. fear of being hurt
2. expectation world will be fair. it is the opposite. the world is not your mother. those who will sacrifice everything else to spawn survive. spawning WAS fucking. now it's different and our genes haven't caught up.


however, anger is one of the only acceptable emotions for men. being afraid, lonely, hurt? Oh no, not me.
I'm tough. I don't get hurt-- I get even.

I think there should be a distinction between anger and hatred.

Hatred- bitter, closed onto itself, resentful

Anger- simultaniously destructive and creative, "the return of the repressed", pushes you out and fuels action, motivates change


In buddhism, hell and heaven are psychological states that we experience within ourselves. We can go through all the layers of heaven and hell within a day, or within different incarnations. They represent our vibrational patterns that shape our subjective reality tunnels.

While we live the dichotomies of good/bad, heaven/hell we (our ego) are stuck in a never ending loop of dividing and categorizing experiences accordingly to what we wish, our interpretations of reality instead of "reality itself", which is void, potentiality.

While we don't fully live out both poles of pain and pleasure without the need to label and categorize our experiences, we are still divided and doomed to go through these loops of heaven and hell throughout eternity.

Point being: anger is not something to be avoided, but to be lived through without attachments and judgements. The same with every emotions we come across, for what we "are" lies beyod all these dichotomies.

[XXL]

like for me it's great as the more I deal with women, the more grounded and down to earth i become. so it's very little probability i would be played or tooled and basically i'm more conscious what's happening between people. it's super practical

[Jase]

(10-17-2011 02:02 AM)Jack D. Serrano Wrote:  

@blurb

Aw, how cute? Trying to push around the new guy on the forums.
And look! You're even pulling out the whole "are you a woman" line.
Looks like somebody is trying to be the "alpha" ...

Shaming language this is a chick.

No man would ever go this low

[tenderman100]

All women are hypergamous.
All men are polygamous.

This is evolutionary reality.

"Good girls" have suppressed their natural hypergamy; it will come out eventually, either through divorce, cheating, or resentful manipulation of their mates.
"Beta boys" have been cowed into suppressing their natural tendency toward polygamy; most will never be able to escape that suppression.

This is the reality. Nothing anyone thinks or writes here is going to change it.

Understanding this reality does not make you a misogynist. It makes you a grounded realist.

[CupCake]

I understand this feeling. I've been burned by women I've had genuine feelings for. After a while this can bitter a person.

Hatred isn't an emotion that you want to keep inside of you. It is bad for your well being. I think you have two options:

1.) Expand the types of "dealings" you have with women. Date different women or date them differently. Or...
2.) Accept women as they are and choose to interact with them or not.

I think it's important for you and everyone here to understand that often we get the things we seek. Are you really in the right pond for the fish you are looking for?

[blurb]

(10-18-2011 09:38 PM)Jase Wrote:  

(10-17-2011 02:02 AM)Jack D. Serrano Wrote:  

@blurb

Aw, how cute? Trying to push around the new guy on the forums.
And look! You're even pulling out the whole "are you a woman" line.
Looks like somebody is trying to be the "alpha" ...

Shaming language this is a chick.

No man would ever go this low

No worries. I already had suspicions.

What really gave her away was that she used the word cute. What kind of a man uses the word "cute"?

Women always give themselves away.

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If people think my posts are taking more value than they give simply because they don't conform to the same ideas that have existed in the seduction community for years, despite everything I say being based on A LOT of experience, testing and logic, and possibly adding a lot of fresh new ideas that Roosh or others can use, then I am open to discussing that with anyone either in private or in these threads.

Until then lay off the name-calling, kid.

O.K. I'm supposed to abandon the 16 Commandments of Poon, the main ideas and theories of Game, despite numerous accounts and experiences by many other men and by myself, just because you claim that Game theory hasn't worked specifically in your particular case?



I also left a little trap for her.

Women tend to be more sensitive than men.

All I asked her was a simple question if she was a woman, and she took it the wrong way and wrote an emotional 9 paragraph post in response. If a guy took it the wrong way, he would've just left a short reply and told me to f*** off.

[Amour Fou]

Soon guys will have to take a photo of their cock and post it to join the forum.

[ANACONDA]

i was gaming from my youth age...now i am 31....i never found any 'loyal' girl or atleast a girl to who i can say she is sincere..in my whole gaming life.

if anyone found her...do tell me......

[jariel]

(10-15-2011 12:03 PM)pitt Wrote:  

1) They are very sweet, friendly and feminine with a bit of drama ( I just love that shit)

2) They love sex - They know they are there to give sex to their man, whenever you want to fuck, she is down to fuck. I am a very horny dude and i need a chick that is always down for a fuck.

3) They are fun to be with - they are not very intelligent girls but i love talking to them. They have a great sense of humour, many of them are sarchastic (i love sarchastic women) and they are also giving you jokes all the time.

4) You bust quick and they dont care - They truly believe that they fucking you to give you pleasure so when you bust quick they dont really care. You bust fast on the first day with an english girl, i highly doubt you seeing her again.
My other friend said the same shit about busting quick in DR


6) They hella sexy- They are so sexyyyyyyyyyyyyy..im getting a tshirt just for them ( ADORO DOMINICANAS) but i aint wearing when im there for sure.

7) Put food on the table and there is no drama - you decide to stay with a babymother dominican woman..put food on the table and she is just hella cool with you..she aint even thinking about letting you leave..life there is cheap..what the fuck is 200 dollars for food every month and while she is coooking you everyday

Also as you said, they have this traditional perspective of life. I think that it is enough for me, i do the rest of stuff, as long as i have a true bad bitch to fuck and cares about me, im good with her. If im ever settling down, i think im settling down with a dominican chick..i truly love them.

As a Dominican, I'm like the fuck?

I intentionally fuck with everything but Dominicanas.

A lot of Dominican men marry Boricuas, and there are a number of reasons as to why.

For relationships, IMO, they are the best latinas -- real close between them and Mexicanas, in fact Mexico has one of the lowest divorce rates in the world (7%) -- which I think I've said a number of times here. Both are loyal as fuck, but they can get crazy on you if you start fucking around on them.

Dominican women are just crazy and they bring very little to the table -- other than pussy and meals, you can get those things from anybody, especially any other type of latina.

What you said about them not caring if you bust early is just pure comedy.

Unless you've paid the chick, what woman doesn't care if you bust early, especially one who likes to fuck as much as they do?

[pitt]

Jariel i hardly bust early so that wasnt my problem but it did happen with my main chick or two times but she was cool with it. A good friend of mine there dated 2 different girls there for 6 months (with each of them) and he said that the girls there are really different in that way comparing to american girls, because the american ones will go crazy on you if you bust early. It could be the experience we had there, you from there, so you probably know what you are saying.

But i truly love dominicans, i dont see myself dating chicks from other nationalities right now. You have a different opinion, so it is cool.

[mofo]

Interesting

[Jack D. Serrano]

@blurb
@jase

Here is some advice.

I understand that you guys are trying extra hard to look cool in front of your bro's with your tough-guy act.

Don't get to full of yourselves because I'm responding to your posts. You gave me a lot of easy ways to give value to other guys who might be reading this. It's always fun when guys like you make it easy for me to use your words to my advantage or to make my point. Thank you.

Let's cut to the chase -

This pseudo tough-guy posturing (I'm sure both of you think you are being "Alpha") is making it very difficult for you to ever have anything resembling a happy, long relationship (open or exclusive) with truly high value women who are a 10 in looks and in their general character/attitude, who chase you for incredible sex anytime they're around you, help you make money, are open to ANYTHING sexually, go out and build businesses, are loyal, honest, make your life stress-free and easy, plus a whole bunch of other things I don't have time to write.

You got women like that? I do. Guys I consider my close friends get these same kind of women. We do the same things in our dating lives. They are truly wonderful women and friends and I am thankful to be surrounded by such amazing people in life. But it's no accident that I'm surrounded by a lot of people who make me happy. It's because I ruthlessly drop women (or anyone in life) who don't live up to my standards of being amazing people (regardless of how hot she is).

We've tested the advice that you seem to think is "game."

Does it work? It gets a specific kind of results.
Take a look at the so-called gurus of the PUA world - how many do you see with women like I described above? How many would even think that women like that EXIST? Instead you see a whole bunch of PUA gurus who couldn't find and keep a really high value woman if their life depended on it. You can see it simply in the way that they talk about women (and any really high value women can smell how trashy those PUA gurus are from a mile away. He'll never be more than just a random dude to her.)

Do they get laid? Sure. But that's easy. Anyone can get laid. But for the guy who wants to do more than just masturbate inside a random wet hole that gives them a whole lotta emotional grief, maybe it might help to start questioning the cornerstones of the entire PUA industry.

I don't think Roosh created this forum just so guys could just repeat the same dribble that the big PUA companies spit out every year. It's about being on the cutting edge of what men are capable of. Be independent in your thinking. I see Roosh having the balls, through his site, to question the big PUA companies. How about you?

You want to keep following orders and doing as you're told? Go for it.

You have options.

I've seen too many guys like you who are messing up their chances at women like I just described, leaving themselves with nothing but a shattered ego, their claim to have "Game", and a string of trashy, (sometimes) hot girls who either dump you without mercy for a better guy or they drive you so crazy that you can't stand to be around them. Or, even worse, you get married to the wrong one and she takes half of everything you own.

You want trashy girls? Go for it. It's all good. Everyone has their own taste. It's completely okay. Nobody is judging you.

Personally, I like hot, successful, sober, loyal women who are sexually (very) open-minded and wild, among many other qualities. If you don't want this kind of girl then I recommend you ignore my posts because most of what I do goes against the so-called "rules" of game and I will always challenge pre-existing beliefs if I have a lot of experience with better, faster and easier ways.

Everyone on here is because they want to improve their lives with women.

You, telling guys that - this is the ONLY way - does NOT help them improve. It boxes them into a tiny space where they have no options other than the Game that you preach.

There are a million ways to get laid.
Game (as you think of it) is simply one possible way.

Nothing I say will change the fact that it is possible to have sex using what you call Game (which I'm sure others here disagree with). But, there are lots of other things that exist that will also get you laid - many of which will yield MUCH different results outside of sex, and many of which require you to do much less/different work in order to get results.

Leave it to the adults here to explore the other 999,999 ways to improve guys dating lives. You can play around in the sandbox with the other kiddies.

(10-19-2011 01:33 AM)blurb Wrote:  

O.K. I'm supposed to abandon the 16 Commandments of Poon, the main ideas and theories of Game, despite numerous accounts and experiences by many other men and by myself, just because you claim that Game theory hasn't worked specifically in your particular case?

No.
Don't believe me.
Test out anything I say.
But don't come back here and say you tried it a few times and it doesn't work. That's weak.
Test it out hundreds of times. Doesn't take more than an hour a day to talk to 30 women a day.
If you are actually able to firmly discount or change anything I say because you have massively tested and recorded statistics of your results from doing it hundreds and thousands of times, I will be incredibly happy and you will add a lot of insight here.
Don't believe me or anyone else.
Test anything I, or anyone else says - A LOT

I am suggesting to you that there are better, easier faster ways to get lots of simple, no strings sex with lots of hot women without dealing with Alpha mumbo jumbo or ever worrying about other guys. Girls who never give you LMR, shit tests, bitch shields or any of the other things that some guys believe "just goes with the territory" which then leads them towards a misplaced anger and distrust towards all women rather than just distrusting untrustworthy women.

I am suggesting that the "16 Commandments of Poon" that you talk about are adding unnecessary stress to lots of guys dating lives.

Am I saying Game doesn't work? Sex is easy. Sex with hot women is easy. Sex with how women who don't give you LMR, emotional stress or tests is easy. Game, as you and other "PUA guru repeaters" talk about it, makes it all much harder than it has to be.

If it works or not depends on your goals and definition of work but - If having sex with lots of women and/or finding and keeping a world class woman for the rest of your life is your goal, there are MUCH simpler ways to handle your dating life, improve your skills with women, and enjoy life. I am suggesting that maybe it's time for you to open your eyes, get more experience (trust me, you need a lot more experience if you're going to even try to make a dent in my arguments) and re-examine (by MASSIVE testing) many of the pre-suppositions that exist in the seduction community in it's current form.

I expect that you'll continue with the whole, you're a woman thing.
It's a lot easier for you to do that than present any logic (other than whatever you can repeat from other guys) based on tons of experience with lots of women and testing by YOU and you personally.

In the meantime, I'll be presenting my point of view to guys who would actually like to engage in a real, adult conversation.

ANACONDA Wrote:

i was gaming from my youth age...now i am 31....i never found any 'loyal' girl or atleast a girl to who i can say she is sincere..in my whole gaming life.

if anyone found her...do tell me......

Hey man, they are out there.
I know this for a fact.

Keep up hope and go meet a lot more women.
It helps to find and interview couples who are in happy relationships and find out what makes it work, especially if the girl is loyal and/or otherwise the kind of woman that you like.

Keeping up hope is much easier when you have lots of examples in life that you can personally reference. Who thinks it is easier to be a billionaire - a millionaire who has met several billionaires or a random homeless guy?

Of course, not all girls are loyal.
There are a lot who aren't loyal.
There are also a lot who are.
Simply have to know how to find them.

The trick is to meet A LOT of them (30 a day, everyday) and date A LOT of them (75-100 a year, ever year until you find one who you finally want to accept when she begs you to be her BF.)

Next step, learn to figure out if she has all the qualities you want in a woman (if you want loyalty, this is on the list) and ruthlessly, relentlessly and joyfully DISQUALIFY all women who aren't up to your standards and/or aren't what you want in a girl (before long, you'll be getting daily calls from the ever-growing part of your phone book that says "do NOT answer". Accept nothing but the absolute best and that's what you'll get. No, I don't mean standards when it comes to looks. You should always and only talk to girls who you find very beautiful. Why would you talk to a woman you don't think is hot? I'm talking about actually having standards when it comes to everything outside of looks.

I have found clubs and bars to be utterly inefficient (time, money and emotional aggra over the span of months and years) for the man whose goal is meeting, dating and playing with lots of hot LOYAL women (or finding one great one) who have a whole lot going for them outside of their looks. Most of the population doesn't frequent bars and clubs, why limit yourself? (I don't know if you go to bars/clubs so that last bit is addressed at guys who want hot and loyal girls and are discouraged by their results at those venues).

[Samseau]

Jack you talk the big talk, so why don't you make a thread with your advice and how it differs from regular game.

Right now you have some monster posts but there's no substance to them.

[Gmac]

Game is having Charisma and being successful with women. What you do may seem different, but it's not Jack. Everyone has their own style and preferences that suits their current (and always evolving) lifestyle. You use it as your own means to satisfy and end goal, other guys do the same.

[Entropy4]

Gotta say, Jack speaks the truth. It's refreshing to hear someone else step up and say it. I've been saying similar shit for a couple years now. How you game women will determine the women you pick up. So if you go out thinking women are all evil, conniving bitches, who need to be manipulated into bed, then the only women you're going to attract will be evil, conniving bitches who want to be manipulated into bed.

But don't take my word for it, social psychology has demonstrated this in studies time and time again. It's called the "Assortment Effect" and it's been established for decades. (The PUA industry is actually completely clueless on the actual science of attraction, but I'll save that rant for another day.) But the point is that you're always screening for a certain type of woman, no matter what you do. If all the women you attract are backstabbing bitches, then I hate to say the only thing they all have in common is you. Harsh truth.

I'm the opposite of you. I've become less and less misogynistic the more women I've banged. And I've banged a shitload of them at this point. And the quality of women I've been with keeps improving: more loyal, more beautiful, more fun, higher self esteem, less bullshit, less drama. Threads like this really kill me to read now, whereas five years ago I was saying the same shit. Fix your attitude. It's not women who suck. People suck. It's your job to find the good ones, not sit and complain about the bad ones. There are shitty men out there just as there are shitty women. But there are also some awesome people out there. And there are some awesome women too. Adjust your game to find the awesome women. They're out there. And I'll give you a hint: they're rarely drunk in a night club on a Friday night.

[blurb]

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They're out there. And I'll give you a hint:they're rarely drunk in a night club on Friday night.

Church girls were some of the sluttiest women I met in my life. By far they're the worst when it comes to saying they want nice guys but go boning the local drughead high school dropout. Most of them are only being "nice" because they're looking to bag an ignorant husband. A pretty face hides many filthy ways.

[Timoteo]

(10-19-2011 03:28 PM)blurb Wrote:  

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They're out there. And I'll give you a hint:they're rarely drunk in a night club on Friday night.

Church girls were some of the sluttiest women I met in my life. By far they're the worst when it comes to saying they want nice guys but go boning the local drughead high school dropout. Most of them are only being "nice" because they're looking to bag an ignorant husband. A pretty face hides many filthy ways.

You beat me to it about church girls. They are some of the ones that have been repressed for so long, they can't wait to bust out. And those men of the cloth? Don't be surprised to find that they're run through a few members of the congregation.

It seems my post about disloyalty in women sent Jack off on a tangent. Naturally, if you read my post, it was no way near as extreme as he made it out to be. I merely stated that women are inherently selfish and disloyal. I never stated that they'll ALL cheat, and I specified AMERICAN women. It's always easy to say that "you're meeting the wrong women," but it's deeper than that. The overwhelming majority of women here are out for theirs, and looking for a man to get it from. They're only interested in keeping a man happy until they've gotten what they want, then bit by bit, they'll start withdrawing from you. And women are every bit as non-committal as men are accused of being. In my own circle of friends I know a few of them that were ready to step up and WANTED to get settled down, but women brushed them off.

[Entropy4]

Recent studies are showing that both men and women are becoming less committal and having more casual sex. Studies have found a positive correlation between education level and standard of living and propensity to have casual sex. Western societies are the most educated and richest of any in history, particularly our women. Therefore we're seeing social changes across board, with both sexes. Casual sex is up, marriage and relationships are down, and believe it or not marriage infidelity is down as well (by quite a bit).

So yeah, you can say, "women are more selfish and don't commit," but uhh... dude, you're posting this on a forum about banging tons of chicks and not committing to them. It's not just the women. It's the society as a whole. You can complain about women and double-standards as much as you want, but we're sitting here doing the exact same thing. The idea that a whole society of women can change their behavior in a vacuum is nuts. Their behavior is affected by ours and vice-versa. The behavior of men has changed quite a bit in the past few decades as well. I mean, where do you think the pick up community came from?

[Jack D. Serrano]

(10-19-2011 11:29 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Jack you talk the big talk, so why don't you make a thread with your advice and how it differs from regular game.

Right now you have some monster posts but there's no substance to them.

Good idea. Thanks.

I'll have time later this week or early next week for something like that.
However, I will point out that the parts of my post above that specifically give you quite a bit of substance guys could take action on now.

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Church girls were some of the sluttiest women I met in my life.

A girl being sexually wild, crazy, open and adventurous has NOTHING to do with whether she is loyal/disloyal, honest/dishonest, nice/bitches.

Lots of nice girls are not sexual.
Lots of nice girls are sexual.
Lots of messed up girls are not sexual.
Lots of messed up girls are sexual.

Gotta figure out what you want.

But, Entropy's point still stands - If you're looking for the kind of girl, with the kind of looks and attitude that he mentioned - "They're rarely drunk in a night club on a Friday night."

@Timoteo - My apologies. I don't recall reading your post before I made my longer posts. My posts are aimed at addressing the very issue you mentioned - why and how are guys meeting the wrong women? And why, for many guys is it so hard to meet and keep the right women that they end up hating the one thing that they work so hard to get?

[Jack D. Serrano]

@Timoteo - Looking back up I did read your post and addressed it. Typo above.