@blurb
@jase
Here is some advice.
I understand that you guys are trying extra hard to look cool in front of your bro's with your tough-guy act.
Don't get to full of yourselves because I'm responding to your posts. You gave me a lot of easy ways to give value to other guys who might be reading this. It's always fun when guys like you make it easy for me to use your words to my advantage or to make my point. Thank you.
Let's cut to the chase -
This pseudo tough-guy posturing (I'm sure both of you think you are being "Alpha") is making it very difficult for you to ever have anything resembling a happy, long relationship (open or exclusive) with truly high value women who are a 10 in looks and in their general character/attitude, who chase you for incredible sex anytime they're around you, help you make money, are open to ANYTHING sexually, go out and build businesses, are loyal, honest, make your life stress-free and easy, plus a whole bunch of other things I don't have time to write.
You got women like that? I do. Guys I consider my close friends get these same kind of women. We do the same things in our dating lives. They are truly wonderful women and friends and I am thankful to be surrounded by such amazing people in life. But it's no accident that I'm surrounded by a lot of people who make me happy. It's because I ruthlessly drop women (or anyone in life) who don't live up to my standards of being amazing people (regardless of how hot she is).
We've tested the advice that you seem to think is "game."
Does it work? It gets a specific kind of results.
Take a look at the so-called gurus of the PUA world - how many do you see with women like I described above? How many would even think that women like that EXIST? Instead you see a whole bunch of PUA gurus who couldn't find and keep a really high value woman if their life depended on it. You can see it simply in the way that they talk about women (and any really high value women can smell how trashy those PUA gurus are from a mile away. He'll never be more than just a random dude to her.)
Do they get laid? Sure. But that's easy. Anyone can get laid. But for the guy who wants to do more than just masturbate inside a random wet hole that gives them a whole lotta emotional grief, maybe it might help to start questioning the cornerstones of the entire PUA industry.
I don't think Roosh created this forum just so guys could just repeat the same dribble that the big PUA companies spit out every year. It's about being on the cutting edge of what men are capable of. Be independent in your thinking. I see Roosh having the balls, through his site, to question the big PUA companies. How about you?
You want to keep following orders and doing as you're told? Go for it.
You have options.
I've seen too many guys like you who are messing up their chances at women like I just described, leaving themselves with nothing but a shattered ego, their claim to have "Game", and a string of trashy, (sometimes) hot girls who either dump you without mercy for a better guy or they drive you so crazy that you can't stand to be around them. Or, even worse, you get married to the wrong one and she takes half of everything you own.
You want trashy girls? Go for it. It's all good. Everyone has their own taste. It's completely okay. Nobody is judging you.
Personally, I like hot, successful, sober, loyal women who are sexually (very) open-minded and wild, among many other qualities. If you don't want this kind of girl then I recommend you ignore my posts because most of what I do goes against the so-called "rules" of game and I will always challenge pre-existing beliefs if I have a lot of experience with better, faster and easier ways.
Everyone on here is because they want to improve their lives with women.
You, telling guys that - this is the ONLY way - does NOT help them improve. It boxes them into a tiny space where they have no options other than the Game that you preach.
There are a million ways to get laid.
Game (as you think of it) is simply one possible way.
Nothing I say will change the fact that it is possible to have sex using what you call Game (which I'm sure others here disagree with). But, there are lots of other things that exist that will also get you laid - many of which will yield MUCH different results outside of sex, and many of which require you to do much less/different work in order to get results.
Leave it to the adults here to explore the other 999,999 ways to improve guys dating lives. You can play around in the sandbox with the other kiddies.
Quote: (10-19-2011 01:33 AM)blurb Wrote:
O.K. I'm supposed to abandon the 16 Commandments of Poon, the main ideas and theories of Game, despite numerous accounts and experiences by many other men and by myself, just because you claim that Game theory hasn't worked specifically in your particular case?
No.
Don't believe me.
Test out anything I say.
But don't come back here and say you tried it a few times and it doesn't work. That's weak.
Test it out hundreds of times. Doesn't take more than an hour a day to talk to 30 women a day.
If you are actually able to firmly discount or change anything I say because you have massively tested and recorded statistics of your results from doing it hundreds and thousands of times, I will be incredibly happy and you will add a lot of insight here.
Don't believe me or anyone else.
Test anything I, or anyone else says - A LOT
I am suggesting to you that there are better, easier faster ways to get lots of simple, no strings sex with lots of hot women without dealing with Alpha mumbo jumbo or ever worrying about other guys. Girls who never give you LMR, shit tests, bitch shields or any of the other things that some guys believe "just goes with the territory" which then leads them towards a misplaced anger and distrust towards all women rather than just distrusting untrustworthy women.
I am suggesting that the "16 Commandments of Poon" that you talk about are adding unnecessary stress to lots of guys dating lives.
Am I saying Game doesn't work? Sex is easy. Sex with hot women is easy. Sex with how women who don't give you LMR, emotional stress or tests is easy. Game, as you and other "PUA guru repeaters" talk about it, makes it all much harder than it has to be.
If it works or not depends on your goals and definition of work but - If having sex with lots of women and/or finding and keeping a world class woman for the rest of your life is your goal, there are MUCH simpler ways to handle your dating life, improve your skills with women, and enjoy life. I am suggesting that maybe it's time for you to open your eyes, get more experience (trust me, you need a lot more experience if you're going to even try to make a dent in my arguments) and re-examine (by MASSIVE testing) many of the pre-suppositions that exist in the seduction community in it's current form.
I expect that you'll continue with the whole, you're a woman thing.
It's a lot easier for you to do that than present any logic (other than whatever you can repeat from other guys) based on tons of experience with lots of women and testing by YOU and you personally.
In the meantime, I'll be presenting my point of view to guys who would actually like to engage in a real, adult conversation.
Quote:ANACONDA Wrote:
i was gaming from my youth age...now i am 31....i never found any 'loyal' girl or atleast a girl to who i can say she is sincere..in my whole gaming life.
if anyone found her...do tell me......
Hey man, they are out there.
I know this for a fact.
Keep up hope and go meet a lot more women.
It helps to find and interview couples who are in happy relationships and find out what makes it work, especially if the girl is loyal and/or otherwise the kind of woman that you like.
Keeping up hope is much easier when you have lots of examples in life that you can personally reference. Who thinks it is easier to be a billionaire - a millionaire who has met several billionaires or a random homeless guy?
Of course, not all girls are loyal.
There are a lot who aren't loyal.
There are also a lot who are.
Simply have to know how to find them.
The trick is to meet A LOT of them (30 a day, everyday) and date A LOT of them (75-100 a year, ever year until you find one who you finally want to accept when she begs you to be her BF.)
Next step, learn to figure out if she has all the qualities you want in a woman (if you want loyalty, this is on the list) and
ruthlessly, relentlessly and joyfully DISQUALIFY all women who aren't up to your standards and/or aren't what you want in a girl (before long, you'll be getting daily calls from the ever-growing part of your phone book that says "do NOT answer". Accept nothing but the absolute best and that's what you'll get. No, I don't mean standards when it comes to looks. You should always and only talk to girls who you find very beautiful. Why would you talk to a woman you don't think is hot? I'm talking about actually having standards when it comes to everything outside of looks.
I have found clubs and bars to be utterly inefficient (time, money and emotional aggra over the span of months and years) for the man whose goal is meeting, dating and playing with lots of hot LOYAL women (or finding one great one) who have a whole lot going for them outside of their looks. Most of the population doesn't frequent bars and clubs, why limit yourself? (I don't know if you go to bars/clubs so that last bit is addressed at guys who want hot and loyal girls and are discouraged by their results at those venues).