[kirdiesel]

Great thread!

[Avoy]

(01-11-2019 02:26 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

And our thoughts are seen as misogynistic, twisted, deranged, etc.

If a straight male says them, yes. If an empowered feminist blogs or writes an article about it (making the same or similar points) for a mainstream publication then it's perfectly normal and accepted as true.

[The_e_man]

(01-13-2019 11:44 PM)Avoy Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 02:26 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

And our thoughts are seen as misogynistic, twisted, deranged, etc.

If a straight male says them, yes. If an empowered feminist blogs or writes an article about it (making the same or similar points) for a mainstream publication then it's perfectly normal and accepted as true.

True.
Nevertheless, the truth being brought to light will be a net positive for society - even if us "creepy pick-up weirdos" may not get the credit for it.

[Mycon]

It's a rigged game, but I mainly blame the debt-based economy. In the past, there was a high demand for hard-working and responsible men. Today, those traits aren't valuable anymore. It's all about look, and "sense of humor" (like the man should be a clown). I've deleted all my accounts, and now I've been waiting for the economy to explode, that all those debt-broken females will go bankrupt, which teach them a lesson.

[Samseau]

I keep seeing people mention, "the dating market will reach a boiling point."

It ALREADY IS at a boiling point, and our culture and civilization is evaporating away, bit by bit, year by year, and eventually not much is going to be left. 50 years from now, there will be half as many Whites as there are today. 100 years from now? Could easily be reduced to fewer than 100 million.

The current collapse in birth rates is similar to mass castration of dogs or other animals. Our sterile society is utterly doomed, so make the most of it:

(01-19-2019 03:32 PM)Mycon Wrote:  

It's a rigged game, but I mainly blame the debt-based economy. In the past, there was a high demand for hard-working and responsible men. Today, those traits aren't valuable anymore. It's all about look, and "sense of humor" (like the man should be a clown). I've deleted all my accounts, and now I've been waiting for the economy to explode, that all those debt-broken females will go bankrupt, which teach them a lesson.

Won't happen for many decades. Don't neglect to take advantage of the abundance while you can.

It's worth shifting through all avenues of girls, in the chances of finding a good one, because a man never knows where he will be good at finding a girl until you try.

Then, if you chance upon one, must figure out how to create a family in our god forsaken dying civilization, also another herculean task. Don't underestimate the challenge, but don't throw in the towel because there's no point to suicide.

[Aurini]

(03-17-2019 04:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I keep seeing people mention, "the dating market will reach a boiling point."

It ALREADY IS at a boiling point, and our culture and civilization is evaporating away, bit by bit, year by year, and eventually not much is going to be left. 50 years from now, there will be half as many Whites as there are today. 100 years from now? Could easily be reduced to fewer than 100 million.

The current collapse in birth rates is similar to mass castration of dogs or other animals. Our sterile society is utterly doomed, so make the most of it:

(01-19-2019 03:32 PM)Mycon Wrote:  

It's a rigged game, but I mainly blame the debt-based economy. In the past, there was a high demand for hard-working and responsible men. Today, those traits aren't valuable anymore. It's all about look, and "sense of humor" (like the man should be a clown). I've deleted all my accounts, and now I've been waiting for the economy to explode, that all those debt-broken females will go bankrupt, which teach them a lesson.

Won't happen for many decades. Don't neglect to take advantage of the abundance while you can.

It's worth shifting through all avenues of girls, in the chances of finding a good one, because a man never knows where he will be good at finding a girl until you try.

Then, if you chance upon one, must figure out how to create a family in our god forsaken dying civilization, also another herculean task. Don't underestimate the challenge, but don't throw in the towel because there's no point to suicide.

This right here is one of the strongest supporting tactical arguments for your stance on fornication (that it means sleeping with prostitutes, not women who give it away). I have repeatedly seen 'chaste' men fall into simulation and psychosis; they spend all their time looking for a unicorn, and being repeatedly disappointed when it turns out to be an ass with a carrot on it's head. If, instead, they accepted the game as it was, and pursued women, hoping for the best but remaining outcome independent, I expect that they'd get much farther in life.

[CynicalContrarian]

Hinge.

https://hinge.co/

'Designed to be Deleted"

Ha!
Now that is some savvy marketing.

[benopolis]

We all know that looks are just a small part of attraction, and yet dating apps are forcing any guys who choose to be involved to rely only on their looks.

This is a good thing if youre willing to go meet girls in day/night game. Less competition. Other guys are letting their skills erode. Real in person interactions are still much more impactful to her than whatever online chat she has going on

Dont waste your time on dating apps trying to figure out if that retarded 8 is really a 5 with good filter skills

Better to develop actual approach skills which will allow you to date up. Fuck tinder. And I'm saying this after living in Thailand which I certainly have it pretty good compared to most. The same shit still applies

[Kid Twist]

My hope would be similar to Mycon's but less retribution; that suffering would lead to repentance and values of what makes a proper mate. The realist in me sees that the probability is that Samseau is right, however; it would take a LONG time in the cycle to regroup or reconstitute families to traditional status UNLESS there is a major war/famine/plague of casualties with survival again being something not taken for granted. That's the only way back, but there will be a cost for us who complain about such things on the internet here, as well. The odds are that disparities will continue, the haves and have nots will increase in extremes, and most of the middle to bottom will just exit stage left to drugs, transhumanism, etc. Maybe that's the new war, not falling for the Matrix entirely.

It is hard to project, but I'm not as pessimistic as Samseau on the demographic stuff, mainly because big cities dominate news media but are in the worst shape and they will take a back seat to the more remote, traditional areas who will be much more sane in terms of the way they live. Welfare and survival of the takers will not allow for as much of an increase in the coming years in such a broke society where the producers have left the larger, crumbling cities.

[CynicalContrarian]

I'm not posting this cause the Asian girl is a silly & superficial sloot.
That type of mentality is hardly new to us here.
Rather.
Who thought that such a setup was a viable option?

~21 or so people sitting very close to each other, yet only communicating via SMS...?
Serial?

[BortimusPrime]

Huh, if I ran across a girl like her on a dating site I'd be like "ew asian pancake face" and next.

[Bananaman711]

I noticed many guys on message boards like to label western women as hypergamous, reality is asian girls are just as bad. When you go to SEA and you have 100 matches a week you have to realize that these girls liked you because they they see you as high value man and dont forget that they routinely ignore average local guys.

You have low quality brown slum or farm girls matching with engineer from Germany of UK, with dating apps its easy for girls to punch above their weight and once they get used to it how the hell can they ever date someone on their own level? Once you get used to driving BMW you will never be excited by Toyota Camry

[gework]

I firmly believe that if the sexual marketplace and degeneracy are not regulated, then society will fall apart.

Marriage in ancient Greece - The institution of marriage in ancient Greece encouraged responsibility in personal relationships. Marriages were usually arranged by the parents

Marriage in ancient Rome - marriage in ancient Rome was a strictly monogamous institution: a Roman citizen by law could have only one spouse at a time

Marriage in ancient Egypt - Egyptians valued social harmony it makes sense that they would place special emphasis on stories encouraging domestic tranquility. Monogamy was emphasized as a value even among the stories of the gods and male gods usually had only one female wife.

Marriage in ancient China - Within Chinese culture, romantic love and monogamy was the norm for most citizens.

Marriage in Babylon - Monogamy was the rule

Marriage in Western Civilisation - Monogamy

Marriage in ancient India - Hindu marriage joins two individuals for life

If you look at any civilisation, you will likely find there were considerable regulation of the sex market. Even Islam with its four wives was a reform of the previously polygamous pagan desert.

I don't think there is any evidence of how these laws came about; but I think it's safe to assume that kings and priests realised what a cluster fuck polygamy and debauchery are.

Fast-forward to today and we have no ideas why those laws and ideas were put in place; and the idiot left has and is sweeping them away with abandon due to their proximity of the evil empire.

I've seen a good number of stupid, leftist women writing articles saying how we should change our ideas on polygamy as a part of the sex-positive feminist bandwaggon that includes having two years olds taught about gender bending.

The idea of family values has shrunk and is verging on unknown in Northern Europe. If you mention things like this you will be seen as some weird bigot from the Victorian period by mainstream society. The old norms of parents having considerable control over the then courting market are virtually dead.

So much has changed and few have any idea of that past. Now you can have 10,000s of the best boobs and asses wiggle in your face at the click of a button. Three-hundred years ago and your nearest equivalent would be drawing a pair of boobs on a slate. And if you can't pay for internet de Blassio will hook you up so you can wank on his streets. Some of the hair-brain leftists in Europe are even talking about subsidising pros to bat off incels.

This is all far and beyond what someone mentioned above. That king has to pay for a harem of fatties. Historically a harem has required some sort of commitment and maintenance. Now some guys are stacking their harem with zero payment or commitment.

[Easy_C]

(03-17-2019 04:27 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 04:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I keep seeing people mention, "the dating market will reach a boiling point."

It ALREADY IS at a boiling point, and our culture and civilization is evaporating away, bit by bit, year by year, and eventually not much is going to be left. 50 years from now, there will be half as many Whites as there are today. 100 years from now? Could easily be reduced to fewer than 100 million.

The current collapse in birth rates is similar to mass castration of dogs or other animals. Our sterile society is utterly doomed, so make the most of it:

(01-19-2019 03:32 PM)Mycon Wrote:  

It's a rigged game, but I mainly blame the debt-based economy. In the past, there was a high demand for hard-working and responsible men. Today, those traits aren't valuable anymore. It's all about look, and "sense of humor" (like the man should be a clown). I've deleted all my accounts, and now I've been waiting for the economy to explode, that all those debt-broken females will go bankrupt, which teach them a lesson.

Won't happen for many decades. Don't neglect to take advantage of the abundance while you can.

It's worth shifting through all avenues of girls, in the chances of finding a good one, because a man never knows where he will be good at finding a girl until you try.

Then, if you chance upon one, must figure out how to create a family in our god forsaken dying civilization, also another herculean task. Don't underestimate the challenge, but don't throw in the towel because there's no point to suicide.

This right here is one of the strongest supporting tactical arguments for your stance on fornication (that it means sleeping with prostitutes, not women who give it away). I have repeatedly seen 'chaste' men fall into simulation and psychosis; they spend all their time looking for a unicorn, and being repeatedly disappointed when it turns out to be an ass with a carrot on it's head. If, instead, they accepted the game as it was, and pursued women, hoping for the best but remaining outcome independent, I expect that they'd get much farther in life.

Meh.


They exist. But finding and catching them requires a dramatically different mindset and attitude then you tend to find on either side of this discussion. You have to set the bullshit aside and be extremely pragmatic. You can do part of this up front by marketing yourself in a way that's designed to scare off anyone who isn't interested in kids.

My biggest litmus test: a girl should agree with the religious doctrine that contraception is sinful. In my experience that's been the single biggest indicator as to whether she's "like that" and the answer is pretty simple at its core. Contraception is irrelevant to someone who wants to have a big, happy, family and if they do want to use it that's not what they're after.


There's a reason why the divorce rate for Catholics who attend church weekly and don't use contraception is about 2%.

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-19-2019 09:43 AM)gework Wrote:  

I firmly believe that if the sexual marketplace and degeneracy are not regulated, then society will fall apart.
...
If you look at any civilisation, you will likely find there were considerable regulation of the sex market. Even Islam with its four wives was a reform of the previously polygamous pagan desert.

I don't think there is any evidence of how these laws came about; but I think it's safe to assume that kings and priests realised what a cluster fuck polygamy and debauchery are.

Fast-forward to today and we have no ideas why those laws and ideas were put in place; and the idiot left has and is sweeping them away with abandon due to their proximity of the evil empire.
...

Look at the ancient tale of Noah from a different perspective.

Noah resided in a society of mass secular hedonism. That was so far gone, warnings of its imminent demise due to it's hedonism, fell on deaf ears.
Of course as the tale goes, those deaf ears rapidly & readily turned to dead ears.

Hedonism is hollow.
Hedonism is hellish.

[quaker13]

The same can be said for ancient weird ass Greece and their downfall was not due to hedonism unless someone can prove me otherwise.

[Bananaman711]

Carl Marx was arguing capitalism falls because it leads to creation of monopolies where due to design a few end up owning everything until losers had enough and then you have chaos.

This is what is happening in todays dating scene, tiny elite of men get all the sex and there is very little incentive for all the rest to work and spend money.
How can this work in the long run

[putos]

Yeah. I even tested this myself.

I have a Facebook and I sent a friend request to 50 girls and I made a fake account with a picture of a good looking guy and sent it to the exact 50 girls. Results came back with 50% more accepted requests with the fake account.

[for.petes.sake]

It all comes down on supply and demand. The ratio of men versus women is heavily skewed in favor of women in the Western world. They can have top tier men since there is enough of these top tier men to go around.

The forum member Delta has gone really well in depth with this.

Take this example:

A town has 400 singles. 100 of them are women and 300 of them are men. If we treat distribution of looks evenly for both populations (using the 1 to 10 scale) then there would ten 10s for the female side and thirty 10s for male side. Now the female 10s will match up with the male 10s but we still have 20 male 10s left. This means that the 9s and 8s will still have access to the male 10s and there still is male 9s and 8s still left.

My theory of why this skew occurs is because of immigration from the rest of the World to the West.

1. The rich of underdeveloped world all move to the West. Although they might lack game or looks they make it all up in cash. I have seen rich people from 3rd world countries get top picks and barely know any English.

2. People in underdeveloped countries also favor sons so they are more likely to send them off to the West to support the family or get an education. For all you Toronto folk just look at the colleges filled with Indian foreign students. 90 percent of the students from India are male.

3. Immigration of repressed cultures skew the ratio too. You go to a club and will see males of all backgrounds including Muslim men. How often will you see that sort of representation from some Muslim women? Non-Muslim women are highly sought after since they will only be defiling an infidel but every Muslim women must be protected. Although premarital sex is a sin for both genders, their community do not care if the if the men practice it. However the ladies who do will be either shunned from their community, disowned from their family, or even killed.

[Kieran]

(03-19-2019 09:06 PM)putos Wrote:  

Yeah. I even tested this myself.

I have a Facebook and I sent a friend request to 50 girls and I made a fake account with a picture of a good looking guy and sent it to the exact 50 girls. Results came back with 50% more accepted requests with the fake account.

Why would you even be surprised by this? Wouldn't you yourself be more likely to accept a friend request from a better looking girl?

[Psygnosis89]

Breaking News at 10: good looking people have it easier.

[The Stronger Sex]

The difference between men and women is we can get very horny about almost any women if we're thirsty enough, but women can only get very horny for the very top, regardless of their own looks. That's why women have always been prone to headaches.

[Kid Twist]

^ This is what I was about to say, that is, one of the things. In a nutshell, because of biology, as everything is in life.

First, as for.petes.sake reiterates from Delta, supply and demand, something everyone can understand. But look deeper, we're at a moment in history where supply is high because for the time being, our ancient biological realities are shocked and men haven't been killed by animals, wars, plagues, invading tribes, intra-tribal battles or strife, etc.

High numbers of males isn't suitable for our evolved sex roles: The Stronger Sex rightly identifies that males (in the short term) particularly on a dry spell will drop several SMV points for an easy lay. That confuses uncontrolled sluts to think they are worth something, until it happens several times to them, and then it's too late. Please notice that this is contingent on a society NOT controlling its members, particularly women sexually since they are the gatekeepers. Theoretically a controlled sexual atmosphere can have closer to 50-50 ratios of men to women, though less men is still better for both long term.

What's more, men, being principled and activated by achievement, don't need as much outside stresses or pressures to get better. Getting better is the competitive drive in them because of what naturally comes from that (money, power, sex). Whereas women, without pressures, show a race to the bottom without pressures much more easily and significantly than males. Thus, we go full circle as to why few men in supply will activate women to stay fit, offering femininity and caretaking, and thus become worthwhile partners.

Throw technology in, on top of a surplus of men, and you get an exacerbation of the problems = minimal selection to be any better, AND validation from male orbiters, since so many subpar men are still around they'll do anything to get a sniff. Voila, there you have the 21st century "West".

[Bananaman711]

(01-05-2019 03:29 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Whenever a man says dating apps "aren't bad", he lives in New York City (or is traveling through SE Asia). Don't confuse the ease of dating apps with living in NYC, which is the best city in the USA to game, no matter what method you use.

Why some people think NYC is easy for guys to get dates?

That is place where mediocre looking chick Natasha Apont ( she around 5 with makeup, around 4 without) trapped 100 desperate guys and humiliated them in public.

Most of them were decent looking men (4-7 on looks scale) but I doubt they get much action on dating apps, when plain girl like herself manages to get that many dates then imagine what legit 6s, 7s and 8s are getting?

10-15 years ago a male model and PUA guru Paul Janka had to do 60-70 approaches per lay, 1 bang per 22 numbers, so lot of approaches lead nowhere , 97% flake rate from phone numbers he got.

That was before Instagram, Tinder and even smartphones existed,you can only assume things got a lot worse since then

You could argue Chads like him would have better results on dating and SM apps in 2019 compared to his day game yields in mid 2000s

[TheBowery]

https://nypost.com/2019/03/20/millennial...ex-survey/

Cue the hamster wheel GIF...

“If you’re only exposing yourself to people who think like you, you’re living in a silo and missing out on opportunities,” says Fleming. She believes that less intellectual tension could translate to less of a lustful spark in a relationship. She encourages her patients to get out of their comfort zone — in love and in bed. That was the case for Julie, a 27-year-old Brooklyn liberal and senior public relations manager who dated a Republican for three years. For the political opposites, Julie says, “Everything was very extreme” — including the sex. After particularly frustrating, politically charged conversations, “We’d have makeup sex” that was “better than normal,” she says. It wasn’t enough to hold them together, and today Julie — who declined to give her last name for privacy reasons — finds going out with fellow liberals “a breath of fresh air.” But she misses the adventure of being with someone very different from herself. “[We] enjoyed being challenged and challenging each other, and maybe that’s something I’m still looking for,” she says. She’s currently single and open to being with a conservative again, depending on “his beliefs.”

That open-mindedness could pay off. Just ask Jen Winston, from Williamsburg, who says her most memorable time in the sack was with someone whose politics she deemed “disgusting.” “The best sex I’ve ever had was with a guy who I’m fairly sure was a Republican,” says the 30-year-old Democrat. “If I had known he was a Republican, I probably would not have engaged. But if I had known how good the sex was gonna be, I probably would have gone through with it still.” Winston, who runs a feminist Instagram account called @girlpowersupply, isn’t beating herself up over the party-line transgression. After all, “Sex for pleasure is a form of self-care,” she says.