[luigi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_ad..._children/


Long story short:

Guy has 5 sons
Eldest does one of those dna origin tests and gets strange results
Father freaks out and does paternity test on 3 more
4 of them are from 3 different fathers
The youngest still doesnt know so they didnt do any test
With proof in hand, the wife still wont confess

[Heuristics]

(03-31-2019 05:13 PM)luigi Wrote:  

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_ad..._children/


Long story short:

Guy has 5 sons
Eldest does one of those dna origin tests and gets strange results
Father freaks out and does paternity test on 3 more
4 of them are from 3 different fathers
The youngest still doesnt know so they didnt do any test
With proof in hand, the wife still wont confess

The guy is so much of a cuck he wants to stay with her:

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Is there anyway, anyway at all, you think I could or should save my marriage? I've been with my wife my entire life it's almost impossible to see a life without her. I know that the answer should be a clear cut "leave her", but we have 5 kids together. If there's anything that can be done to save our marriage, I want to consider it seriously.

Not only has the wife committed one breach of trust, but multiple ones. Over the course of many years. The guy still won't leave her even though 4 of the 5 kids are not his.

To top it off, the wife has been gaslighting him:

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I keep bringing it up and she keeps brushing it off, getting progressively more annoyed at me. When I bring it up she will try and guilt trip me. "We've been together since highschool, do you seriously not trust me?" etc.

One of the replies on the thread, addressing gas-lighting in females is fucking terrifying, and subject of female psychopaths, and how people will whiteknight for women regardless of the truth... Basically the dude was institutionalized because the female said he had psychosis:

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She individually persuaded my friends to do an intervention on me in my own home. She was attractive and the friends she recruited were very inexperienced in terms of relationships and totally enamoured by her and willing to 'whiteknight' for her when she used crocodile tears.

She had them host a surprise 'intervention' for me, in my own home, where they refused to leave and collectively told me I had psychosis. I lived with her and she wanted a relationship with me but I was not interested. She thought this would change if she persuaded me I had not heard her have the dozen or so one night stands and threesomes she had in the 3 months I lived with her, and that I had full blown hallucinations when I saw random shirtless men in my kitchen or living room some mornings. I never judged her or even acknowledged any of her conquests, it was her business.

On another occasion she persuaded them to barge past security in my workplace so that they could pull me out of the office in order to immediately section me in a mental institution. To this day I never have an adequate answer for why they needed to do this at my workplace since I lived with them so they could have done it before or after work. The real reason she did it was to make nowhere safe and keep increasing the intensity and pressure. We had not talked in weeks at this point as just wanted them to leave me alone, but they would not let up. They fucked up my early career.

Eventually I proved she was lying about me having psychosis and hallucinating by the use of another witness and a secret recording. Rather than backtracking my friends were far more furious at me. The fact I took a secret recording was evidence against my sanity more than proof of her lying. It proved she 'was mistaken' about some of the hallucinations but not all of them, they shouted.

I permanently lost many of my closest friends.

I might be gatekeeping but it angers me when people now call any lie 'gaslighting'. I was truly gaslighted and nobody who has not gone through it will ever understand. When everyone you know is telling you that you are insane over and over, shouting at you, opening your mail, waking you up in the night to tell you how disappointed they are in you, and so on - you start to truly feel paranoid. Friends you've not heard from in years get in touch, have a beer with you, then tell you how worried they are about you and you need help. Entire groups of people you know refuse to talk to you any more and you have no idea why they cut contact as you were good friends who went on holidays together. And your paranoia is used as evidence against you. If you show even a tiny bit of emotion like anger or upset then that is used as evidence against you. It is like being mentally raped, by your closest friends, for months on end. I still have therapy about it.

Most people find it easier to believe I was insane than that any of this happened. I've talked about it online before and some people tell me to kill myself just for saying all of this; people viscerally reject that any of this is possible. Look at all the comments in this thread with excuses for the wife. Those people cant even believe that some women lie and cheat a lot! Some people assert that female psychopaths don't exist at all, only male ones do.

You will not believe how persuasive a clinical psychopath can be. They have mastered the art of lying since age 3. It takes 10 years to be an expert in something. They will lie about things that nobody else could ever lie about, so nobody will believe its a lie as 'who would even lie about that?'. I noticed she could alter my memories by asking me to repeat what I saw then suggesting I saw something different. She would describe the new memory it as if it was always my own idea. She would describe vivid details like a red coat that wasn't there. She would say it so confidently with total eye contact.

My advice:

do not ignore your gut when your gut tells you somebody is lying.

do not trust people who tell you to ignore your gut and to listen to them, especially if you were a primary witness and they are not.

get everything in writing. if you see something important happen write it down in detail.

When someone demands you say what you saw when you saw them do something bad say 'I dont know what you mean'. If they demand over and over that you tell them what you saw keep repeating the line.

[Barron]

Assuming it's real... He went to reddit with this?

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

(03-31-2019 05:21 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

The guy still won't leave her even though 4 of the 5 kids are not his.

At least 4/5. The 5th hasn't been tested, and I wouldn't bet on that one being his either.

4 by 3 other guys. I'm not sure what's worse, that or if they were all from the same other guy.

[CleanSlate]

There should be a death penalty for paternity fraud.

[Geomann180]

This and the asshole friends who are doing the intervention (if that's even true) is the stuff that makes up the beginning of a murder story.

G

[RatInTheWoods]

This is a lot more common than we realise (or maybe not the "we" in this forum)

I think DNA tests should become mandatory at birth before putting the mans name on the birth certificate.

Rollo has a great article here, where he describes it as mans great existential fear:

Rollo Tomassi - The existential fear

[Captainstabbin]

Always get a home DNA kit and do the cheek swab while mom is asleep before you even leave the hospital. Have the results emailed to you. If there's a problem, have a court order an official test, if it's yours no one needs to know you tested it.

Under $100 might save you a fortune.

[Mage]

This is one of those threads that physically hurt to read.

But to make this worthwile looking into we need more then a reddit thread. We need pics and some family history. The great question is were there any red flags apparent to red pill guys that could have hinted to wife's infidelity much sooner.

[sterling_archer]

Whole story reeks of April's fools, but I am not surprised if it's true.

[Barron]

(03-31-2019 07:18 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

There should be a death penalty for paternity fraud.

If a modern beta finds out he's been cucked and knows the penalty is death, he'll be far less likely to out the slut. But imprisoned, certainly.
However long that prison sentence lasts should be commensurate with how long the fraud was perpetrated for, how many children were involved, and for however much money was invested in them by the cuckold.

Before shipping the now motherless children off to an orphanage, both the cuckold and biological father should be contacted and given some say in the matter as to the future of the children (do I want a future with them or nay).

The fact that women can perpetrate this fraud and get off scot-free while maintaining custody of their cuckkids, even after divorce proceedings, exposes the blatant bias against men and fathers in the American family court system.

[eradicator]

April fools?

[CleanSlate]

(04-01-2019 03:46 AM)Barron Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 07:18 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

There should be a death penalty for paternity fraud.

If a modern beta finds out he's been cucked and knows the penalty is death, he'll be far less likely to out the slut. But imprisoned, certainly.
However long that prison sentence lasts should be commensurate with how long the fraud was perpetrated for, how many children were involved, and for however much money was invested in them by the cuckold.

Before shipping the now motherless children off to an orphanage, both the cuckold and biological father should be contacted and given some say in the matter as to the future of the children (do I want a future with them or nay).

The fact that women can perpetrate this fraud and get off scot-free while maintaining custody of their cuckkids, even after divorce proceedings, exposes the blatant bias against men and fathers in the American family court system.

Reasonable argument, and point taken. No matter what the punishment may be for paternity fraud, it should be 100% that the cucked father should be given a way out, no-strings attached, if he wants to take it.

[Beirut]

True story (no april fools) its actually a publically known scandal in lebanon.

A billionaire owner of a oil and gas stations company here has a billionaire friend who is also a now ex deputy/minister.

The deputy was a notorious playboy.

Both are married with kids. Oil guy has 3 boys aged around 18-20.

One day he has a huge fight with his wife and she angrily informs him the kids arent his. Theyre actually the kids of his billionaire deputy friend.

The dude raised the kids for 20 years thinking they were his...

They got divorced and so did the deputy and now the deputy and the oil guys ex are together.

The kids stayed with the oil guy who raised them and considered him their only father.

[debeguiled]

(04-01-2019 02:42 AM)Mage Wrote:  

This is one of those threads that physically hurt to read.

I didn't watch the video of the massacre in Christchurch, and I ain't reading this.

[The Stronger Sex]

I don't think I would be happy if I knew there are children of mine I being brought up by another man.

[Sam Malone]

Jail time would be a hard sell, and you’d get guys that would cuck out and ‘continue to raise the child as their own’ because of that.

Financial restitution should be on the table. That might (and I stress might) motivate not only the woman to be upfront about it (maybe), but may even push the non-bio dad to seek to confirm paternity if there’s doubt.

That aside, it’s unfair to not only the child (for being robbed of a bond between themselves and their real father), but the real father for being robbed/denied a real bond with their child.

And maybe that’s how it needs to be sold to a judge. “Your Honor, it’s a disservice that this woman has deceived not only myself, but the child as well as the biological father of the kind of healthy relationship that a father and child are supposed to have.”

[[email protected]]

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Now that I have rambled and explained what has happened. I guess let me ask a few direct questions for advice

1. How can I reassure my children this doesn't change anything between us? I feel like the way I have reacted, total break downs, has made them second guess this despite however many times I reassure them.

2. How do I handle my youngest daughter? I feel like our marriage is beyond saving, and I will need to tell my daughter something. I don't want her to know the truth until she's older, but I also don't want my wife lying and making me out to be the villain.

3. Is there anyway, anyway at all, you think I could or should save my marriage? I've been with my wife my entire life it's almost impossible to see a life without her. I know that the answer should be a clear cut "leave her", but we have 5 kids together. If there's anything that can be done to save our marriage, I want to consider it seriously.

1. Not his children.
2. Not his daughter.
3. What a delusional cuck.

[Beirut]

Kids thing is tricky. When the scandal i mentioned broke out i wondered how i would react in his shoes.

When you raise kids for 20 years and you have that bond, you don't click your finger and just make it disappear.

[Leonard D Neubache]

7+ billion people in the world.

Who brought you this particular story and why?

[Pride male]

Mandatory paternity tests now.