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08-24-2018, 01:58 AM
Well, not a lot new to note. I am finding not too hard to talk to women when out and about but not getting much farther. I do not go out late at night. Mostly move around in the day. I have noticed in Moscow the number of beautiful women is truly amazing. In my city in America on a day around downtown, I would maybe see 12 or 15 really beautiful women and maybe one that would classify as a 10 if any. In Moscow, I can see that many in an hour or two.
Things are going good and will be going to Prague soon. Then home.
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08-25-2018, 01:20 AM
I wonder when the reputation of ex-USSR women will finally update. I don't really see that many potential housewives among FSU women. A lot of them seem addicted to Instagram and probably have moonlighted as hookers to Turkish tourists when their bank accounts were running low.
One of my gripes too is I've not been able to meet any Russian nor Ukrainian women who were down for small talk. So it just feels weird to run into all these FSU gals who are pretty much only good at being silent trophy wives or eye candy.
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Japan and Korea have a good housewife culture but unfortunately the countries are kind of bad places to live in (unless you're a Weaboo - both are pretty polluted and xenophobic and it's super hard to overlook that stuff).
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08-25-2018, 04:00 AM
Quote: (08-25-2018 01:20 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:
One of my gripes too is I've not been able to meet any Russian nor Ukrainian women who were down for small talk. So it just feels weird to run into all these FSU gals who are pretty much only good at being silent trophy wives or eye candy.
This is a strange statement. Russian women are usually great and witty conversationalists. And as said above, on the whole their intelligence, or at least cultural knowledge, is astounding.
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10-29-2018, 10:08 PM
My best friend just got married and divorced within a matter of two months to a Ukrainian girl, who, externally, was perfectly docile and nice. She cheated on him immediately after the marriage. The affair may have even preceded the wedding. Anyways, he treated her as an American generally treats American women - that is, with equality and respect – and that is not the way to handle women from Russia. Funny story about your lawyers and judges. They are right. Never trust a Ukrainian, or at least be on guard!
Some words of wisdom on the subject from the OG pickup artist:
"If I did not consent I should be tormented by tears, ill-humour, reproaches, melancholy, etc. This had occurred several times before, and so violent had she been that I had been compelled to conform to the custom of the country and beat her. Strange to say, I could not have taken a better way to prove my love. Such is the character of the Russian women. After the blows had been given, by slow degrees she became affectionate again, and a love encounter sealed the reconciliation."
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10-29-2018, 10:20 PM
Dunno if i posted this already but most western men including many on the forum arent suitable for an ltr with a russian woman. Id say that middle eastern men are a better match.
Your mentalities are too far apart. And while the red pill among western men can bed tons of them it still doesnt make them a good ltr match.
In marriage both parties tend to revert to the comfort of their societys value system.
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10-29-2018, 10:38 PM
My experience there this summer was overall pretty good. There were some challenges but there was lots of good times also. Most of the challenges were a result of my own decisions but you live and you learn.
I think my question may have been a bit too unfair. Categorizing all Russian women as good or bad or dangerous. Maybe my perspective should have been a little more nuanced.
Could not tell you about LTR because that was not my goal or my experience. But there are good ones and bad ones nonetheless.
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10-30-2018, 09:11 AM
Quote: (08-25-2018 02:33 AM)WashedUPVet Wrote:
I’m just tired of these threads bashing Russian gold digger, extraction girls. Not my experience. Go live there, I’m sure your experience is different than New York City guy that meets a stripper from Yekanterinburg. I actually had a pretty awesome time with a girl from Yekaterinburg too and she came to see me in California. Just like anywhere, if you are unique you will score. If you are a dumbass with no game, well good luck with that.
Most of the time you go to a foreign country trying to game or looking for a LTR, you tend to attract a certain type of girls, usually not the most pleasant ones. This is especially true if you don't speak the language. Thats why most guys bash Russian women except those who live in Russia and speak Russian.
Everybody (including me) bashes French woman for example, yet I still managed to find a great girl there. There's great girls everywhere, it's a matter of proportion (% much lower in USA vs in FSU/Asia for ex).
This goes against the grain here, but for the optimal experience you should find a great girl from your own culture. If you are marrying her then the most minimalist cultural differences tend to become annoying.
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10-30-2018, 09:46 AM
>>Could you elaborate on how Russian culture and Middle Eastern culture seem to be better suited?
System still won't let me quote. Sorry...
Anyway, when talking of "Middle East", I speculate he was talking of rich, educated, secular guys in Turkey, Egypt who want a trophy wife, and can afford to and want to keep her in style so as to impress everyone. Such men are a good match for Russian women whose main ambition is to be a trophy wife but who didnt make the cut to catch a Russisn oligarch. Not goat herders or even ordinary middle class Middle Eastern guys.
Whereas when an ethnic Russian woman thinks of Dagestan, she is probably thinking of truck drivers and construction workers, because that's who mostly moves from there to northern Russia looking for jobs. The Dagestan elite probably prefer to marry among their own, so they're just not an option.
I have no personal experience in Russia, but I have plenty in Kyiv, Ukraine. A social activity of mine has lots educated, secular Turks and the educated Ukrainian women are quite receptive to them, at least women late 20's and above. These are well-off but not exceptionally rich Turks (doctors, engineers, businessmen).
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10-30-2018, 10:49 AM
@ Dalaran I tend to agree. I think if you immerse yourself more you are more likely to find a better quality woman. My experience has been with the better quality of women maybe I was lucky but I am not sure. It would take more time and experiences. But I have yet to encounter one "goldigger" FSU woman but I have met many goldigger American women. Once again maybe I was lucky. But maybe not. Maybe I keep my wits about me a bit more.
It was an interesting story from Trumps Intern above about his friend marrying a Ukrainian girl and her cheating on him within two months. I have heard this type of story several times. And of course, do not know the details or the people involved. But the story seems to imply that his friend was completely fooled by some sort of ruse by the Ukrainian girl. Until after the marriage was complete and visa was in hand. I am skeptical of this kind of thing. How long were they together? How much quality time did they spend with respective family and friends? Was there a prenuptial agreement. I believe it takes time to vet any person in a relationship. But eventually through quality extended time together the real person shows up. And this usually can be done within a few dates with most women.
But certainly for an LTR over a few months testing her along the way. Just a few things you can do. Take her on a short trip and see if her attitude changes? Many women will alter their behavior on trips. Take her to dive bars or places in the bad part of town a few times. Make sure she sees your not so good qualities as well as the good things. Take her camping. Make sure that you are doing things that are important to you alone and that she knows this and test her for her willingness to participate. Of course, meet her friends and have her meet your friends.
These simple things will tell you a lot about her.
The quote by Casanova is essentially describing a very damaged woman. I cannot imagine ever hitting a woman to get her to like me, and expecting to have any type of a ltr with her as a result of that.
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10-30-2018, 11:28 AM
There are high quality women in Russia, from good families. I did exactly that as well, went on a trip with a Russian woman, she behaved very well all in all. The great thing they are very submissive, far more so than other women. Yes, they can act crazy, but if you get a good one, it's worth the effort.
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10-31-2018, 05:57 AM
If you don't speak Russian and aren't into the culture then you're going to mostly interact with English-speaking Russian lizards who are more open to foreigners, which limits you to a certain kind of girl which we refer to as a gold digger.
The ones who are extremely materialistic can be dangerous in the sense that they're relentlessly mercenary in their obsession with money and very few men are a match for the Russian female brain when it comes to this.
Rawgod wrote this in another thread and it's a good precis of the attitude: "My friend she is a prostitute. I don't mean that in the sense that she rents out her pussy by the hour. I mean in the traditional sense that all men and all cultures have always known about. She's a whore and playing you for a simp who will bankroll her long-term, perhaps even under cover of marriage (if you're wealthy enough). Play accordingly."
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10-31-2018, 08:47 AM
Russian women are gold diggers
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10-31-2018, 09:34 AM
@edlefou and zamfir112, do you have any specific experiences you would like to share? Maybe you can help us to understand how you got to these conclusions.
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10-31-2018, 10:12 AM
I honestly don't understand why people are saying Russians are gold diggers as if they're the only ones who have gold diggers, it's an international phenomenon, wherever you go in the world there will always be a small percentage of gold diggers, it is what it is.
Overall I would say that Russians, even the English speaking open to foreigners kind, aren't gold diggers but they expect that Western men play by the same rules as Ivan who would go all out, pay for everything, maybe a gift after a short while of dating etc. It's cultural but they're not gold diggers, that's for sure.
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10-31-2018, 10:38 AM
@Bikal I seem to have the same experience. If you are in Russia, the man is expected to pay for everything. Dinner, taxi, drinks, tickets to an event. It is their custom. Does this make them golddiggers? I don't think so.
But I have dated American women, British, Canadian, Colombian, Puerto Rican, Mexican, and all of these women have wanted me to pay for everything. And many of them have asked for more, such as commenting on my car not being nice enough, or suggesting we go shopping, or talking about going to the most expensive restaurants in town. Is that a gold digger? Looks like it.
I had one beautiful Russian woman I spent some time with. And she never asked me for a thing. Yes, she let me pay when we went out, but when we were traveling she loved to shop and would stop in many stores along the way. But never once did she ask me for a penny if she bought something she paid for it herself. And she was very good looking. She got stares wherever we went. I dated another one who was very nice looking and we would go out to eat and she would not order anything except maybe a juice or a piece of cake. No drinks or big expensive meals nothing.
I feel like there is a disconnect here. I have heard this gold digger thing from several people.
I believe the custom in Russia is that the man goes all out to impress the woman at first, buying her flowers, paying for everything, opening doors for her, taking her to nice places, carrying her packages for her. So she is is expecting these things. Then over time he finally gets into her panties, usually, at this point, they are girlfriend and boyfriend, since they are not big on casual sex. At this point, I think the man settles in and stops trying so much and eventually starts cheating on her with another woman which is very common.
One other thought. The things I described above are not that expensive. A taxi to go across the city in Moscow is about $5, a drink at a pub or bar is about $2.50, a meal for two at a good restaurant is about $40. A good Airbnb apartment near the city center in Moscow is about $46 a night, the same apartment in another Russian city is about $23 a night. I was just looking at my credit card bill and two metro tickets that I purchased in Moscow that lasted me an entire week, cost about $11. The same things in a major city in the US would be much more expensive.
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10-31-2018, 11:32 AM
Quote: (10-31-2018 10:12 AM)Bikal Wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people are saying Russians are gold diggers as if they're the only ones who have gold diggers, it's an international phenomenon, wherever you go in the world there will always be a small percentage of gold diggers, it is what it is.
Overall I would say that Russians, even the English speaking open to foreigners kind, aren't gold diggers but they expect that Western men play by the same rules as Ivan who would go all out, pay for everything, maybe a gift after a short while of dating etc. It's cultural but they're not gold diggers, that's for sure.
Exactly my experience.
If you select a girl from a good family, do your due diligence, go on a trip, get to know her, the chances of you ending up with a gold digger are very small.
This is if you approach yourself. If you hit a single mom up from a dating site, of course that's a different story.
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10-31-2018, 11:35 AM
Russia certainly has its share of gold diggers, especially in Moscow (and overseas) but they also have a ton of beautiful women who are also great people.
The thing to note is that it's a very different culture and the male family role is to provide for the family so Russian women have a far greater emphasis on finding a partner of means as a result. In western countries where both genders work and get paid equally there is a lot less of the focus on wealth when picking a partner than there traditionally was but Russia very much still has that.
They also have a very different look for attractive men which probably leaves a lot of western men and women thinking that the smoking hot Russian woman is only with the man because of his money. If you're bald and big like a powerlifter, Russia gives you bonus points on looks while western countries take away for that.
The mail order bride thing also has a big carryover. For a lot of people their main experience with Russian women will be the insta-thots in travel hotspots like Budva, Phuket, Punta Cana and the like or people they know that got mail order brides and got burned by it. If you pay on the internet for a woman you really shouldn't expect her to be one of strong moral fibre.
Ultimately though, it's like any other country, walk in flashing money and you'll attract diggers, learn the culture, get out of Moscow in particular to smaller cities and you'll find some truly beautiful conservative perfect mother of your child types. Russia certainly has the best level of beauty of any country I've been to and one of the best cultures if you're looking for a wife and mother of your children. It has plenty of negatives as well but overall it's in the absolute top tier of places people should go for women.
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10-31-2018, 11:58 AM
Never dated one, but been with several Ukrainians and Poles. They tend to be pretty bad in terms of Machiavellianism/gold-digging, and I've heard Russians are even worse. Smoking hot though. I'd place them in the bang-only category, unless you find one from a highly religious family.
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10-31-2018, 12:20 PM
The main problem with Russian girls is their personalities, they are often very serious, light jokes does not go down well with russian women, im the type of guy who prefers light and easy going girls . they also put a lot of weight on income and career like some people said here, something i appreciate is their honesty though, they are good for DTF or a short term relationship but i would never marry one. Ive dated one from Yekateringburg and one from Irkutskt both where travelling in Thailand solo.and two from Moscow they had a bit stinky attitude to them though, the friendliest was from Yekateringburg , i dont speak Russian and never been to Russia itself, im just speaking from experience the russian girls i talked to and dated in Egypt, Thailand etc
