[HD668B]

(04-09-2018 08:51 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Btw good data sheet and +1.

Ditto. This is actually a very realistic and down to earth datasheet with positive and negatives. Not trying to brag, and describing the local culture as it is. +1

I would add something about putting these girls on a pedestral.

Many come to Ukraine and realize girls can be very feminine and charming. So they let their defense down, but it is a big mistake. Just like polar sides of a magnet you need to be very masculine to counter the femininity of these women. Because with that femininity also comes the hysterical drama, the completely emotional temper and the manipulation (slavic shit-test).
I see so many foreigners getting burned because they think they can relax since the dievushka in kabluki is cooking for them. Its quite the opposite. Why do you think local ukr guys or mini-oligarchs are so stoic and serious all the time? Go to CHI or SKybar and you will see top model 9s completely ignored by the guy paying the table or the drinks.

[Belarus1212]

More Turks and even good looking Americans and westerners .

[REXslavicus]

Im somewhat optimistic that wont happen,in mcdonalds I see mostly thin girls ,in Croatia it is similar ,people remained slim

[Belarus1212]

Ukrainian girls will not get fat, they are on survival mode and completely depend on their beauty to get out of misery

[REXslavicus]

About avalon,I went there with a local friend 3 months ago we didnt enter because we noticed a "salon" next door , all the dudes were whoremongers drinking ,we left immediately to avoid any association with the p4p turk crowd

About chi,3 people I know confirmed it has gone down hill

Never been a fan of skybar but I can see how its "better" if only a bit than chi

Nightlife here just kinda sucks

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Very accurate observations from Op, +1 from me

[superschalk]

(04-10-2018 01:43 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

Nightlife here just kinda sucks

Agreed nightlife sucks compared to other capital cities but last summer it was way better than the years before. OP only mentioned the obvious clubs where every foreigner goes but not the clubs which are a bit off the beaten track. There are plenty of clubs with almost not a single Turk or other foreigners. You just need to do your research to find them.

[Belarus1212]

There are indeed other places, but the girls are more hipster and westernized (even when they don't speak English ) . This data sheet is for people looking for more traditional genuine Ukrainian girls

[raspootin]

(04-10-2018 04:09 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:43 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

Nightlife here just kinda sucks

Agreed nightlife sucks compared to other capital cities but last summer it was way better than the years before. OP only mentioned the obvious clubs where every foreigner goes but not the clubs which are a bit off the beaten track. There are plenty of clubs with almost not a single Turk or other foreigners. You just need to do your research to find them.

Yes Turks would are too scared to go to neighbourhood places without a few friends, and a group of Turks wont be allowed into clubs. Also many girls in neighborhood clubs don't speak English, and it can be dangerous

[REXslavicus]

Ive been to places off the beaten track with zero foreigners, they still arent great, maybe summer is better

[raspootin]

Summer worst time in Kiev and Ukraine as a whole. Unless you go to small towns and villages where they can't afford a trip to odessa

[Belarus1212]

We are racing against the clock, but instagram is just quicker than us in spoiling the girls

[Belarus1212]

+1 for rasputin, avoid summer

[REXslavicus]

I meant nightlife,nightlife sucks now but wasnt in clubs in summer

[QAZ]

(04-10-2018 01:43 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

About avalon,I went there with a local friend 3 months ago we didnt enter because we noticed a "salon" next door , all the dudes were whoremongers drinking ,we left immediately to avoid any association with the p4p turk crowd

You mean the ground floor was full of Turks?

Sad to hear if true as Avalon rooftop was always my favourite spot in the city. Great place to take in the view of the sun setting over the city with some chilled music playing. They did fuck with my bill last time I went though. Added on a few 1000 Hryvna for drinks I didn't order. Waitress was apologetic and refunded me when I told her but not sure if it was accident or not. Most likely not. Ground floor always had a different vibe though with lone women at tables trying to make eye contact. Always avoided and took the elevator straight up.

[QAZ]

(04-10-2018 04:17 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

Ive been to places off the beaten track with zero foreigners, they still arent great, maybe summer is better

Yeah foreigners or no foreigners clubs suck in Kiev. People go to pose more than enjoy themselves and let themselves go. Minsk and Kishinev has better clubs.

[REXslavicus]

We didnt enter due to a brothel being next door ,the whole block was infected

[REXslavicus]

Yeah ,daygame is the law of the land

[Belarus1212]

Not sure about Minsk, the situation is getting worst by the minute in clubs. Full of Turks and arabs, maybe more so than Kiev, and 18-19 year olds who are brought every weekend by promoters to entertain the muslims who overpay for tables and drinks

[Tintin]

We need to be blunt about Kiev, Kiev is no place for average guys, whiich of course most people are on the forum. Those who say "looks don't matter" are talking crap also, although we know they are less important than in the west. Having "game" will only minimally make up for your shortcomings in life.

So when someone posts about the country try to get an impression of who he is, Is he 5ft tall? does he dress like a bum? , is he a sex tourist? , is he a male model type?

Losers that come to Ukraine wilk leave the country then afterwards spend their time bad mouthing the place, same applies for other countries

[Belarus1212]

Your comment makes me suspect you have never went to Kiev . Girls there are on survival mode. I have some friends that are banging amazing girls on a regular basis, they are not good looking or dress well, but they have a stable presence in Kiev, and can provide for the girls who in exchange give them sexual pleasure. With the top tier girls, if anything, I could argue that you being too charming, good looking and good game can even work against you, as she will think that she won't be able to lock you down. I once went with a friend who is 190 and has model looks, he quickly left as the girls were still trying to lock him up where as in the west he is banging high quality in ONS and from tinder. Can you find the occasional 9 who has lived in the west and is attracted to a more 'western' approach? Yes, but it is the exception and not the norm. If you are good looking and good game, go to Moscow where girls are not in survival mode and will be able to appreciate those qualities in you

[REXslavicus]

(04-10-2018 06:48 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

Your comment makes me suspect you have never went to Kiev . Girls there are on survival mode. I have some friends that are banging amazing girls on a regular basis, they are not good looking or dress well, but they have a stable presence in Kiev, and can provide for the girls who in exchange give them sexual pleasure. With the top tier girls, if anything, I could argue that you being too charming, good looking and good game can even work against you, as she will think that she won't be able to lock you down. I once went with a friend who is 190 and has model looks, he quickly left as the girls were still trying to lock him up where as in the west he is banging high quality in ONS and from tinder. Can you find the occasional 9 who has lived in the west and is attracted to a more 'western' approach? Yes, but it is the exception and not the norm. If you are good looking and good game, go to Moscow where girls are not in survival mode and will be able to appreciate those qualities in you

Maybe its you who's never been to Kiev, most 9s I've seen are with uglier high school sweethearts(something that also occurs in the west just here ltrs last longer here and girls peak beauty is early so its more noticeable) or good looking local dudes, I've also seen good looking dudes date down, so yeah looks matter and I have a hunch they are going to matter more and more

[QAZ]

The thing that helps more than anything in the the FSU is not looks or wealth but accumulated experience imo. That's why many bail after one trip there when they don't immediately get the girls they want. The FSU is really only worth the effort if you can put boots on the ground for an extended amount of time either on one long trip or multiple return trips. You can come to Poland and bang your first night but in the FSU there is much more nuance to social dating interactions and it takes time to get to understand those nuances more clearly and start solidifying results on a consistent basis. That's also why many go down the soft-sponsorship role with girls there because they don't have the patience for the game and get frustrated. The problem with that is the soft-sponsorship game stunts their growth and so they can't stop interacting with girls in that transactional way. Better to accept there will be struggles for a while and face them but know that with time it will fall into place and the FSU will give you what you originally came for.

[Tintin]

(04-10-2018 06:48 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

Your comment makes me suspect you have never went to Kiev . Girls there are on survival mode. I have some friends that are banging amazing girls on a regular basis, they are not good looking or dress well, but they have a stable presence in Kiev, and can provide for the girls who in exchange give them sexual pleasure. With the top tier girls, if anything, I could argue that you being too charming, good looking and good game can even work against you, as she will think that she won't be able to lock you down. I once went with a friend who is 190 and has model looks, he quickly left as the girls were still trying to lock him up where as in the west he is banging high quality in ONS and from tinder. Can you find the occasional 9 who has lived in the west and is attracted to a more 'western' approach? Yes, but it is the exception and not the norm. If you are good looking and good game, go to Moscow where girls are not in survival mode and will be able to appreciate those qualities in you

Average guys that bang amazing girls regularly in Ukraine = P4P, there are no exceptions.

Yea charm and too good looking (like me) can definitely work against you, you are too experienced for them.

I often spend my time with models in Ukraine, because they speak good English, and they have been overseas, the two things I look for most in a girl. So for me, girls leaving Ukraine to travel and work not such a bad thing at all.

[Tintin]

(04-10-2018 08:00 AM)QAZ Wrote:  

The thing that helps more than anything in the the FSU is not looks or wealth but accumulated experience imo. That's why many bail after one trip there when they don't immediately get the girls they want. The FSU is really only worth the effort if you can put boots on the ground for an extended amount of time either on one long trip or multiple return trips. You can come to Poland and bang your first night but in the FSU there is much more nuance to social dating interactions and it takes time to get to understand those nuances more clearly and start solidifying results on a consistent basis. That's also why many go down the soft-sponsorship role with girls there because they don't have the patience for the game and get frustrated. The problem with that is the soft-sponsorship game stunts their growth and so they can't stop interacting with girls in that transactional way. Better to accept there will be struggles for a while and face them but know that with time it will fall into place and the FSU will give you what you originally came for.

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