[DigitalNomad]

(04-10-2018 08:00 AM)QAZ Wrote:  

The thing that helps more than anything in the the FSU is not looks or wealth but accumulated experience imo. That's why many bail after one trip there when they don't immediately get the girls they want. The FSU is really only worth the effort if you can put boots on the ground for an extended amount of time either on one long trip or multiple return trips. You can come to Poland and bang your first night but in the FSU there is much more nuance to social dating interactions and it takes time to get to understand those nuances more clearly and start solidifying results on a consistent basis. That's also why many go down the soft-sponsorship role with girls there because they don't have the patience for the game and get frustrated. The problem with that is the soft-sponsorship game stunts their growth and so they can't stop interacting with girls in that transactional way. Better to accept there will be struggles for a while and face them but know that with time it will fall into place and the FSU will give you what you originally came for.

Touche.

(04-10-2018 01:24 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

However, nowadays almost all the genuine girls are gone, they get on the Instagram game from 16 if they are hot enough to do it.

How many girls do you think actually do this? There are 3 million people in Kiev and 45 million in Ukraine. 1,000? 10,000? I mean c'mon, that's not going to make a huge difference in the realm of things.

(04-10-2018 01:27 AM)Jungle Wrote:  

Let's try to understand this. You are a foreigner, in their country... a country which has been abused and treated like a toilet by foreigners in its bloody and tragic past... A country which is in the continent of Europe, which at the moment is a place where there is a disproportionately high number per capita of racist and sexist crime against the natives, and then you have the nerve to claim Ukrainians are racist?

To be fair, Ukrainians are pretty fucking racist as a whole.

(04-10-2018 01:43 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

About avalon,I went there with a local friend 3 months ago we didnt enter because we noticed a "salon" next door , all the dudes were whoremongers drinking ,we left immediately to avoid any association with the p4p turk crowd

So you are worried someone is going to see you walk into a high class rooftop bar because they might think you are with some turks at a so called salon nearby? That's why you didn't go in? Give me a break.

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Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a little odd all these newbies are just circle jerking how bad Kiev sucks. Also, the same guys all commenting on the Vilnius thread as well.

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Also, still waiting for this:

(04-09-2018 10:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Can you post pictures of what you consider an 8?

[Belarus1212]

Hahahahahah digitalnomad it genuinely made me laugh

[REXslavicus]

DN, night game is hard enough so we thought if its next to a whorehouse shields of normal girls would be higher than usual, we went to another club

[raspootin]

Well nobody can deny Kiev does not bear the same fruit as in previous years and I will second what QAZ said about Kiev being more for people who invest time there.

[raspootin]

(04-10-2018 09:39 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 08:00 AM)QAZ Wrote:  

The thing that helps more than anything in the the FSU is not looks or wealth but accumulated experience imo. That's why many bail after one trip there when they don't immediately get the girls they want. The FSU is really only worth the effort if you can put boots on the ground for an extended amount of time either on one long trip or multiple return trips. You can come to Poland and bang your first night but in the FSU there is much more nuance to social dating interactions and it takes time to get to understand those nuances more clearly and start solidifying results on a consistent basis. That's also why many go down the soft-sponsorship role with girls there because they don't have the patience for the game and get frustrated. The problem with that is the soft-sponsorship game stunts their growth and so they can't stop interacting with girls in that transactional way. Better to accept there will be struggles for a while and face them but know that with time it will fall into place and the FSU will give you what you originally came for.

Touche.

(04-10-2018 01:24 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

However, nowadays almost all the genuine girls are gone, they get on the Instagram game from 16 if they are hot enough to do it.

How many girls do you think actually do this? There are 3 million people in Kiev and 45 million in Ukraine. 1,000? 10,000? I mean c'mon, that's not going to make a huge difference in the realm of things.

(04-10-2018 01:27 AM)Jungle Wrote:  

Let's try to understand this. You are a foreigner, in their country... a country which has been abused and treated like a toilet by foreigners in its bloody and tragic past... A country which is in the continent of Europe, which at the moment is a place where there is a disproportionately high number per capita of racist and sexist crime against the natives, and then you have the nerve to claim Ukrainians are racist?

To be fair, Ukrainians are pretty fucking racist as a whole.

(04-10-2018 01:43 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

About avalon,I went there with a local friend 3 months ago we didnt enter because we noticed a "salon" next door , all the dudes were whoremongers drinking ,we left immediately to avoid any association with the p4p turk crowd

So you are worried someone is going to see you walk into a high class rooftop bar because they might think you are with some turks at a so called salon nearby? That's why you didn't go in? Give me a break.

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Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a little odd all these newbies are just circle jerking how bad Kiev sucks. Also, the same guys all commenting on the Vilnius thread as well.

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Also, still waiting for this:

(04-09-2018 10:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Can you post pictures of what you consider an 8?

Don't forget Rishboy77, he thinks the best way is to pay girls to come and visit you in your home country

[Rocha]

Just reread the OP with more attention than first time.

I just really dont get that part of racism against Latino looking people.

Yes, most of the Ukrainians (not all of course) are openly racist against blacks, many don't even consider them as people...But against darker festured white people I guess it has more to do with xenophobia than racism. Many Ukrainians specially in the South have those features, plenty of people with ancestry Jewish, Tatar, Greek, Bulgarian, or the Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijani, etc who live there since Soviet Union.

The main split I think is "russkoe govoriachi" (russian speakers) and other slavs, vs all the other foreigners.

I confess that many times I present myself as a native of other Slavic country (cant reveal which one hahaha).

[Count Pierre]

(04-10-2018 12:03 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

..But against darker festured white people I guess it has more to do with xenophobia than racism. Many Ukrainians specially in the South have those features, plenty of people with ancestry Jewish, Tatar, Greek, Bulgarian, or the Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijani, etc who live there since Soviet Union.

If I understand correctly, by "dark-skinned latino", OP meaned a person from american indian descent (meztico) or from african/european mix (mulato in Brasil, don't know in spanish). To describe a "light olive skinned" guy from South Europe (or from Argentina or Southern Brasil ie people from italian descent), he would have used "mediterranean". And yeah, there is surely definitely a racial prejudice against mezticos or mulatos in Ukraine (or Russia for that matter). I've for that matter never really understood the meaning of "latino" from a european perspective. I understand that in the US, it's anyone from south of the border, but in Europe, are northern italians, portugeses, or corsicans "latinos" ? I don't think so, I am myself from Corsica (as i said, dark hair, green eyes, light olive skin), and it would never came into my mind to describe myself as a "latino". But someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[Belarus1212]

Ukrainians are a lot more racist than Russians, and particularly towards Caucasian people (Azerbaijan, daguestan, Georgia Armenia and so on) they call them хач and obviously the Muslim ones are perceived as worse than the Christian ones. If you look Portuguese, southern Italian, Lebanese , or southern Spanish you will be mistaken for being one of them most of the time when speaking to less educated people . Or you will be mistaken for a Turk

[Belarus1212]

One guy mentioned dating modes who travel. Fair enough, but they are hardly traditional, they are rather westernized and enjoying the cock carousel in foreign country and being invited to nice places. Hardly preserved. What I'm trying to say is that Kiev is dead to find a traditional beautiful girlfriend with a low notch count, sure you can go and date hipsters or 'models' if you are good looking enough with game, or you can bang really hot ones by being an alpha provider. But finding a nice genuine girl who is more than an 8 , with traditional values in Kiev, well that is over.

[Count Pierre]

(04-10-2018 12:54 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

Ukrainians are a lot more racist than Russians, and particularly towards Caucasian people (Azerbaijan, daguestan, Georgia Armenia and so on) they call them хач and obviously the Muslim ones are perceived as worse than the Christian ones. If you look southern Italian or southern Spanish you will be mistaken for being one of them most of the time

Southern italians and southern spaniards look more saracen than kavkaz.

[Belarus1212]

Who cares really if they look more this or that. It's not as if Ukrainians knew that (except for the minority who travel and are more educated)

[Rocha]

(04-10-2018 12:29 PM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 12:03 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

..But against darker festured white people I guess it has more to do with xenophobia than racism. Many Ukrainians specially in the South have those features, plenty of people with ancestry Jewish, Tatar, Greek, Bulgarian, or the Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijani, etc who live there since Soviet Union.

If I understand correctly, by "dark-skinned latino", OP meaned a person from american indian descent (meztico) or from african/european mix (mulato in Brasil, don't know in spanish). To describe a "light olive skinned" guy from South Europe (or from Argentina or Southern Brasil ie people from italian descent), he would have used "mediterranean". And yeah, there is surely definitely a racial prejudice against mezticos or mulatos in Ukraine (or Russia for that matter). I've for that matter never really understood the meaning of "latino" from a european perspective. I understand that in the US, it's anyone from south of the border, but in Europe, are northern italians, portugeses, or corsicans "latinos" ? I don't think so, I am myself from Corsica (as i said, dark hair, green eyes, light olive skin), and it would never came into my mind to describe myself as a "latino". But someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

I guess OP could clarify/exemplify what means Latino for him. If Enrique Iglesias or Hugo Chavez.

[Belarus1212]

I would look more like Enrique Iglesias, not as good looking though LOL. But let's be fair , if you'd put Enrique or most Portuguese, Brazilians, Spanish and so on in Istanbul or Beirut there is no way you could defferitiate them . I look like a Latino on the European side, not on the indegenous or black

[Tintin]

(04-10-2018 12:59 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

One guy mentioned dating modes who travel. Fair enough, but they are hardly traditional, they are rather westernized and enjoying the cock carousel in foreign country and being invited to nice places. Hardly preserved. What I'm trying to say is that Kiev is dead to find a traditional beautiful girlfriend with a low notch count, sure you can go and date hipsters or 'models' if you are good looking enough with game, or you can bang really hot ones by being an alpha provider. But finding a nice genuine girl who is more than an 8 , with traditional values in Kiev, well that is over.

Dudes seem to fantasise about finding a sweet, feminine girl who spends her time cooking, cleaning, walking im heels everywhere, making daisy chains and painting Easter eggs. You can find those girls but you'll get bored quickly, you are likely tonhave very little in common

[QAZ]

(04-09-2018 01:24 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

I don't talk about girls who are less than 8, because I don't go to ukraine or FSU to date or bang anything below 8.

Interesting. I'd echo Roosh's post and ask you what you consider an 8.

It's not that I don't believe you are banging 8's, I believe you think you do, I am just not sure you are banging what I personally consider an 8 or if you are you can't believe you are getting laid that often.

Don't take that as hate, i'm ready to be proven wrong, but I reckon I know Ukraine pretty much as well as anyone else, I speak the language, have a wide social circle there and know some very legit guys and yet I don't know any foreigners who ONLY bangs 8's or above. I know foreigners who have banged 8s and I'd include myself in that list but those 8s were always bookended by 7s and even 6s when drunk and horny at the end of the night. If you are only getting 8s or above as you suggest and with the added handicap of being looked down on due to your race as you yourself admit then you are certainly bucking the statistics of foreigners in the country.

[REXslavicus]

Getting back to the main subject

If you are good looking, speak decent Russian and most and foremost, understand the mentality and approach a lot , I don't see how getting an 8 or up is impossible that doesnt involve p4p or sponsorship. I do think guys who focus on nightlife are doing themselves a disservice, I've gotten better results myself hitting the hay early even on weekends , saturday is just 2 days away from monday after all, seeing this nation has a half year project, heck even a year is somewhat premature.


Mastery and going for the gold takes time

[Count Pierre]

(04-10-2018 02:17 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

I would look more like Enrique Iglesias

You look (a bit) like E.Iglesias and a "latino on the European side", and you have "encountered a great amount of racism" as you say ? ....sounds weird, to say the least.

[Belarus1212]

I'm not saying I bang a lot in Ukraine. It used to be a lot easier and now to be honest I don't have the kind of success I used to have. Most good looking girls will try to take you on a ride of you are a foreigner, and even if you do have the occasional westernized girl who just wants to have fun, they are hard to find. They are on survival mode for the most part and will bang if they know they can get something out of you. They are also polluted by Instagram way more than any other nationality. This is why I consider Kiev to be pretty much over, and would recommend Russia over it to anyone. The success you are having in Ukraine is probably just an illusion, in Moscow you will find many traditional girls if you day game and young professionals who actually do interesting things with their lives

[Belarus1212]

To count Pierre, I don't know why you are so focused on the fact I mentioned I have darker skin lol. I've seen good looking tall Turkish guys who would have passed for Italians anywhere else outside of Ukraine get some of the worst shut downs I've seen in my life

[REXslavicus]

(04-10-2018 02:31 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

I'm not saying I bang a lot in Ukraine. It used to be a lot easier and now to be honest I don't have the kind of success I used to have. Most good looking girls will try to take you on a ride of you are a foreigner, and even if you do have the occasional westernized girl who just wants to have fun, they are hard to find. They are on survival mode for the most part and will bang if they know they can get something out of you. They are also polluted by Instagram way more than any other nationality. This is why I consider Kiev to be pretty much over, and would recommend Russia over it to anyone. The success you are having in Ukraine is probably just an illusion, in Moscow you will find many traditional girls if you day game and young professionals who actually do interesting things with their lives

Maybe its personal preference,Russians are thicker and taller, I like the Ukrainian look more ,its also cheaper here

[QAZ]

(04-10-2018 02:31 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

This is why I consider Kiev to be pretty much over, and would recommend Russia over it to anyone.

Agreed that for women Russia is better.

[Belarus1212]

It's not about being cheaper or Ukrainian girls being more beautiful, which I do believe they slightly are. Going to Kiev is signing a ticket to fairy land where the girls will make you live in deslusion. They don't actually care you are a foreigner, for your game or your little pretty face, unless they have been westernized. But why bother going for westernized girls in the first place

[REXslavicus]

(04-10-2018 02:33 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

To count Pierre, I don't know why you are so focused on the fact I mentioned I have darker skin lol. I've seen good looking tall Turkish guys who would have passed for Italians anywhere else outside of Ukraine get some of the worst shut downs I've seen in my life

Yeah I heard Russia and Belarus is somewhat better for darker looking guys, there is a bit of a sex tourism vibe problem at least here in Kiev and also Odessa

[Lika]

(04-10-2018 02:47 PM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 02:33 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

To count Pierre, I don't know why you are so focused on the fact I mentioned I have darker skin lol. I've seen good looking tall Turkish guys who would have passed for Italians anywhere else outside of Ukraine get some of the worst shut downs I've seen in my life

Yeah I heard Russia and Belarus is somewhat better for darker looking guys, there is a bit of a sex tourism vibe problem at least here in Kiev and also Odessa

Personally, I always wanted to go to Russia because I thought girls there are much more racist than in Ukraine.

I have a feeling Ukrainian girls like Latino looks a lot and tens of thousands of them end up fucking and marrying Turks every year (for centuries) because there are not enough dark looking Russian speakers in Ukraine (except in Lviv where girls seem to like Nordic looks as they pretty much identify as banderistas nazis in the first place)

But anyways in Kiev nightlife sucks for anyone and bitches are ignorant peasants. (There are some nice student girls to be found in day game though)

[Rocha]

(04-10-2018 02:31 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  

I'm not saying I bang a lot in Ukraine. It used to be a lot easier and now to be honest I don't have the kind of success I used to have. Most good looking girls will try to take you on a ride of you are a foreigner, and even if you do have the occasional westernized girl who just wants to have fun, they are hard to find. They are on survival mode for the most part and will bang if they know they can get something out of you. They are also polluted by Instagram way more than any other nationality. This is why I consider Kiev to be pretty much over, and would recommend Russia over it to anyone. The success you are having in Ukraine is probably just an illusion, in Moscow you will find many traditional girls if you day game and young professionals who actually do interesting things with their lives

Good observations but I see a counter sense here. You complain that Kiev is done because there is no sweet traditional women anymore, and due mostly to travelling abroad and instagram. While I do not necessarily disagree, on the other side you praise Russia and their women, who travel a lot more and also indulge in Instagram if not more then at least the same as Ukrainians, they have more means to travel, and many have plenty of time for it, any worker that lives East of the Urals has 45 days paid vacation per year...

I have another theory, and it is related to basic needs, in a land where there is no water, water is the most important basic need, not sex. In Ukraine is money the least available resource, and it is like going to the Casino, people can get addicted at extracting money from someone pocket.

Though generally I think that Russians are not as resource $$ oriented as Ukrainians, it is a very big country and different regions might have different mindsets.
The opposite applies too, there is some girls making a living with reasonable paid jobs in Kiev, though certainly not in the same percentage has in Moscow.

What you think about my assessment?