[samifon]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-0...-or-become

The gun grab begins...

Quote:

Authored by Jack Burns via The Free Thought Project,

Residents of a town in Illinois were just handed down an unconstitutional decree from their local government, they now have 60 days to give up their guns or be fined up to $1000 per day...



As the state promises gun rights activists they’re not coming for their guns, behind the scenes they’re pleading for it to happen. And now the feared gun grab is occurring. Residents in Deerfield, Illinois have 60 days to surrender their “assault weapons” or face fines of $1000 per day per gun.

The gun ban ordinance was passed on April 2nd with residents left with few choices of how to dispose of their valuable “assault weapons.” Upon careful reading of the ordinance, residents will be left with revolvers, .22 caliber “plinking” rifles, and double barrel shotguns to defend their homes and families from criminals who could care less about the law.

Fines for not disposing of the weapons range from $250 to $1000 per day per gun for those who choose not to comply with the city’s ordinance. While a fine may seem reasonable to some, as TFTP has reported on multiple occasions, failure to pay fines always results in police action. It is not far-fetched to predict major turmoil and arrests in the event of non-compliance.

One example of the so-called “assault weapon” is the Ruger 10/22 which can accept magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Even though the 10/22 is not listed in the list of guns the village wants to see banned, the gun cannot legally be possessed in the village.

Residents have been instructed to either sell their guns, transfer the ownership to someone who lives outside the village, surrender their guns to Deerfield’s sheriff, or begin paying the fines.

Deerfield mentioned a number of cities where mass shootings took place, including Sutherland Springs, TX where 26 people were killed in the First Baptist Church. That shooting was actually stopped by a man who used the very gun Deerfield voted to ban. No mention was made of that fact in the ordinance.

Also included in the gun ban were semi-automatic pistols which can accept higher than 10 round magazines. That’s virtually all full size semi-automatic pistols.

Even though the village trustees ignored the pleas of residents to leave their guns alone, and passed the ordinance anyway, many residents were encouraged to ignore the gun ban and engage in civil disobedience.

Joel Siegel, a resident of Lincolnwood, warned the village’s residents that governments all across the world have moved to confiscate guns then turned around and ran roughshod over the people. He said,

“There’s an ancient and honored American tradition called disobeying an unjust law…I have urged (people) to listen to their conscience and if so moved do not obey this law.”

Deerfield Mayor Harriet Rosenthal implied the students from the local high school helped sway her decision to bring about the ordinance.

“Enough is enough,” Rosenthal said adding, “Those students are so articulate just like our students. There is no place here for assault weapons.”

The statement mirrors the knee jerk reaction to ban guns following a nationwide public outcry of students who supposedly feared for their own lives following the recent mass shooting in Florida.

Opponents of the gun grab vow to fight the action in court while others praised the trustees decision to ban semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns. Ariella Kharasch, a Deerfield High School senior said she wants more action to be taken on both a local and national level.

“This is our fight…This is our generation’s fight. We’re going to keep fighting and this is part of it. Change happens gradually step by step. The fight does not end at the borders of our village.,” Kharasch said.

Predictably, law enforcement and retired law enforcement members of the community are exempted from the ban. Currently, in the U.S., law enforcement kills around 1,200 citizens per year. Ironically, that number is actually four times higher than those who die from rifles.

As TFTP has reported, cops have killed 450 percent more people than have died in the past forty years of mass shootings.

[John Michael Kane]

You put a (((leftist))) "woman" like Rosenthal in power, this is what you get. Gun grabs and this sour face:



http://www.deerfield.il.us/Directory.aspx?EID=33

She's proud to be on the "League of Women Voters".

Repeal the 19th already.

[C-Note]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tion-suit/

Quote:

The Chicago suburb of Deerfield, Illinois, passed a surrender and confiscation ordinance for “assault weapons” Monday night and the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) responded by filing suit on Thursday.

Breitbart News reported that that ordinance is designed to give Deerfield residents 60 days to get rid of any “assault weapons” and “high capacity” magazines. This includes being sure no such weapons or magazines are in residents’ homes. The ordinance empowers the police chief to confiscate and destroy any “assault weapons” and “high capacity” magazines which residents’ hold to after 60 days.

This builds on a 2013 Deerfield ordinance that banned “assault weapons” but allowed possession of them in one’s home if stored properly.

SAF filed suit against the new ordinance, claiming it violates Illinois’ preemption law. SAF founder and executive vice president Alan Gottlieb said, “We moved swiftly to challenge this gun ban because it flies in the face of state law. While the village is trying to disguise this as an amendment to an existing ordinance, it is, in fact, a new law that entirely bans possession of legally-owned semi-auto firearms, with no exception for guns previously owned, or any provision for self-defense.”

Moreover, Gottlieb noted that the confiscatory nature of the new ordinance, combined with the mandate that all “assault weapons” be moved outside the village or destroyed, “puts the lie to claims by anti-gunners that ‘nobody is coming to take your guns.’”

SAF’s suit is joined by the Illinois State Rifle Association and Daniel Easterday, a private citizen who lives in the village and is a gun owner.

[kamoz]

I legitimately did not believe it when I saw it. Funny how the MSM says nothing about it. Keep us isolated, divide and conquer. I doubt a single owner will abide by this law. People who have researched, invested in, and utilize 'assault weapons' do so very intentionally. It is because they do not trust authority, and know that moves like this are not only just over the horizon, but here. Oh, and a great way to drum up guns sales!

[kaotic]

Lawsuit has already been filed - this measure being enacted is amending something that was preexisting.

Keep in mind this is Illinois we're talking about.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/de...story.html

[SiverFox]

The line must be drawn here. We must protect the republic and our freedom. They have been chipping away at the 2A for years. No more. Every gun regulation is an attack on YOUR freedom. The left's end game is no longer hidden, it is confiscation and the repel of the 2nd amendment.

- Vote anyone out supporting ANY gun control regulation
- Join the NRA
- Buy guns, ammo, etc. Support the industry.
- Stop giving these "heroes" of the left (parkland survivors) a microphone and turn off your TV
- Pin the progs to the confiscation narrative every time they mention "common sense gun control". I say "there are already 92,000 gun laws on the books, what makes you think 92,001st law would have prevented this tragedy. What you really want is to take the guns out of civilian hands, just be honest". There is nothing that will rally the right to the ballot box faster.

I'm sure there are more. Gentlemen, it is up to us to protect the republic.

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

How does the town plan to "collect" any firearms not turned in. Or insure that people no longer own those firearms? Does Illinois have long gun and hand gun registration?

[Remington]

^ Whenever you buy a firearm, you have to pass a background check and register it in the state.

It would be easy for law enforcement to locate a copy of such records.

[torridon747]

Still though, it would be a nightmare to come and forcefully take guns away from citizens. Guns are expensive, viewed as a basic human right, and a lot of people are willing to fight/die to keep them. LEO don't like the idea either from those that I've talked to, a lot of them said they would actively avoid that situation if it ever came up.

The "from my cold dead hands" crowd is alive and well. If they try anything like that you can expect to see lots and lots of civil unrest from people with guns and passion. Not a good idea to do this.

[Higgs Bosun]

(04-06-2018 03:19 PM)Remington Wrote:  

^ Whenever you buy a firearm, you have to pass a background check and register it in the state.

It would be easy for law enforcement to locate a copy of such records.

Yeah, but what would prevent gun owners from simply claiming to have transferred the weapons to family outside Deerfield, or sold them, or even had them stolen? Are the 2 fat middle aged cops who constitute the Deerfield PD going to conduct Gestapo-like house searches for hidden assault weapons on behalf of Kommandant Rosenthal? Will they pry open floorboards to make sure there are no assault weapons being squirreled away in the cellar?

[TigOlBitties]

I'm an Illinois native and so happy to be getting out of this damn state. Conservatives, people that work or people with money need to move out and hit these parasitic cocksuckers where it hurts. Much like California, looney Lefties will destroy this state and learn absolutely nothing from it. And the cuckservative politicians are too weak to change anything.

[YoungBlade]

This'll go down like it did in Baltimore. Three cops were shot dead when they attempted to take lawfully owned firearms. The shooters were let go, as their rights were being infringed upon.

[polar]

^ link?

[kamoz]

(04-06-2018 04:25 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

This'll go down like it did in Baltimore. Three cops were shot dead when they attempted to take lawfully owned firearms. The shooters were let go, as their rights were being infringed upon.

(04-06-2018 05:07 PM)polar Wrote:  

^ link?

Yes please. Link.

[CynicalContrarian]

"Oh I'm terribly sorry officer. Chief Keef & his crew broke into my house just the other day & took all my guns.
Why don't you be a good little police officer & go have a chat to Chief Keef & crew..."

[armenia4ever]

I used to work for several years in Deerfield. It and Bannockburn which is adjacent would be the richest place per capita in the country, but the students at Trinity International University in Deerfield knock down that average per capita.

These people are filthy rich in Deerfield. Lake Forest which is next door is home to some of the most expensive homes in Illinois. I'm not quite sure why they would push this gun law though. These are both places very close to Lake Michigan. The only real crime that comes through is from the towns north.

About 15 minutes north down the road if you take Illinois Route 43 (Waukegan Road) is North Chicago and Waukegan. Go even further North and you hit Zion and Beach Park. Zion is probably the worst, but Waukegan is awful. The tax base has been devastated by civil lawsuits, overspending on "public" servants and is basically overun with crime. It is the ghetto. Go down there on Sheridan Road and any of the nearby streets and there's not just homeless people asking for cigarettes and "Bus fair" money, but tons of trash constantly eyeing you to see if you are an easy weak target.

These people go down to Deerfield and Lake Forest when possible to both beg for money and to steal and look for easy marks. So who is behind this gun law? The mayor of Deerfield knows what lurks just north, so it doesn't make sense. You can go to Waukegan and buy an unregistered AK 47 and banana clips for 1500 - 2k. Easy money for the drug dealers there and particularly the Latin Kings.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Although this law will come to naught, you guys talking about gun confiscators getting shot at the door are not reading the full article.

It goes like this. They outlaw the weapons and impose serious, running fines on anyone that doesn't hand them in. They wont have a thorough list but it will be a damn good start. So you get fine after fine racking up and eventually they just issue a warrant for your arrest. One day the police pull you over for what you assume was a shitty indicator or doing 45 in a 40 zone and suddenly they've got their hand on their gun and they're telling you to put your hands on your vehicle.

Your failure to engage the state on your status as an assault weapon owner is seen as legitimate grounds for some shitbird liberal judge to grant a warrant to toss your house, which by this stage is more the problem of your wife and kids because you wont be going home for a while, particularly if they find those guns or anything else interesting while they're there. Who knows. Maybe they plant something to get their statistics up and get a sweet cut on the foreclosure/auction of your home, car and white goods to pay for those thousands and thousands of dollars of fines you owe.

"Gun confiscators going door to door are going to get shot" is the gravest form of stupidity for American gun owners to fall into.

If that's your fallback for defending your rights then they are already as good as gone.

As a citizen of a nation that has already been neutered (I was barely out of High School at the time) I can tell you this. Nobody went door to door. Most people handed in their guns at the police station because they had real lives and real family to live for. Dad isn't randomly going to turn his house into a two-way shooting range the first time the cops knock on his door for what might even be something benign.

By that stage it doesn't matter. He's now part of a tiny minority of scofflaws who can't buy shit for their illegal guns online, can't talk about illegal guns on the phone or with anyone they don't trust implicitly and who has to buy ammo for his illegal guns in small quantities routinely rather than in bulk lest he gathers scrutiny, and who has to sweat blood every time he takes that gun out to some obscure, distant part of the forest to train, or for that matter whenever he hears a fucking knock on the door.

Long story short. If you allow cunts like this to make these laws and simply hope that they will fall flat during their enforcement then you are fucked. Royally.

[wi30]

(04-06-2018 11:39 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

You put a (((leftist))) "woman" like Rosenthal in power, this is what you get. Gun grabs and this sour face:



http://www.deerfield.il.us/Directory.aspx?EID=33

She's proud to be on the "League of Women Voters".

Repeal the 19th already.

WNB.

[Intuitive]

(04-06-2018 09:21 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Although this law will come to naught, you guys talking about gun confiscators getting shot at the door are not reading the full article.

It goes like this. They outlaw the weapons and impose serious, running fines on anyone that doesn't hand them in. They wont have a thorough list but it will be a damn good start. So you get fine after fine racking up and eventually they just issue a warrant for your arrest. One day the police pull you over for what you assume was a shitty indicator or doing 45 in a 40 zone and suddenly they've got their hand on their gun and they're telling you to put your hands on your vehicle.

Your failure to engage the state on your status as an assault weapon owner is seen as legitimate grounds for some shitbird liberal judge to grant a warrant to toss your house, which by this stage is more the problem of your wife and kids because you wont be going home for a while, particularly if they find those guns or anything else interesting while they're there. Who knows. Maybe they plant something to get their statistics up and get a sweet cut on the foreclosure/auction of your home, car and white goods to pay for those thousands and thousands of dollars of fines you owe.

"Gun confiscators going door to door are going to get shot" is the gravest form of stupidity for American gun owners to fall into.

If that's your fallback for defending your rights then they are already as good as gone.

As a citizen of a nation that has already been neutered (I was barely out of High School at the time) I can tell you this. Nobody went door to door. Most people handed in their guns at the police station because they had real lives and real family to live for. Dad isn't randomly going to turn his house into a two-way shooting range the first time the cops knock on his door for what might even be something benign.

By that stage it doesn't matter. He's now part of a tiny minority of scofflaws who can't buy shit for their illegal guns online, can't talk about illegal guns on the phone or with anyone they don't trust implicitly and who has to buy ammo for his illegal guns in small quantities routinely rather than in bulk lest he gathers scrutiny, and who has to sweat blood every time he takes that gun out to some obscure, distant part of the forest to train, or for that matter whenever he hears a fucking knock on the door.

Long story short. If you allow cunts like this to make these laws and simply hope that they will fall flat during their enforcement then you are fucked. Royally.

This illustrates the importance of fighting against registration laws. If they don't know you have them they can't come for them. In my state there is no requirement to register a firearm.

[godfather dust]

(04-06-2018 09:39 PM)Intuitive Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 09:21 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Although this law will come to naught, you guys talking about gun confiscators getting shot at the door are not reading the full article.

It goes like this. They outlaw the weapons and impose serious, running fines on anyone that doesn't hand them in. They wont have a thorough list but it will be a damn good start. So you get fine after fine racking up and eventually they just issue a warrant for your arrest. One day the police pull you over for what you assume was a shitty indicator or doing 45 in a 40 zone and suddenly they've got their hand on their gun and they're telling you to put your hands on your vehicle.

Your failure to engage the state on your status as an assault weapon owner is seen as legitimate grounds for some shitbird liberal judge to grant a warrant to toss your house, which by this stage is more the problem of your wife and kids because you wont be going home for a while, particularly if they find those guns or anything else interesting while they're there. Who knows. Maybe they plant something to get their statistics up and get a sweet cut on the foreclosure/auction of your home, car and white goods to pay for those thousands and thousands of dollars of fines you owe.

"Gun confiscators going door to door are going to get shot" is the gravest form of stupidity for American gun owners to fall into.

If that's your fallback for defending your rights then they are already as good as gone.

As a citizen of a nation that has already been neutered (I was barely out of High School at the time) I can tell you this. Nobody went door to door. Most people handed in their guns at the police station because they had real lives and real family to live for. Dad isn't randomly going to turn his house into a two-way shooting range the first time the cops knock on his door for what might even be something benign.

By that stage it doesn't matter. He's now part of a tiny minority of scofflaws who can't buy shit for their illegal guns online, can't talk about illegal guns on the phone or with anyone they don't trust implicitly and who has to buy ammo for his illegal guns in small quantities routinely rather than in bulk lest he gathers scrutiny, and who has to sweat blood every time he takes that gun out to some obscure, distant part of the forest to train, or for that matter whenever he hears a fucking knock on the door.

Long story short. If you allow cunts like this to make these laws and simply hope that they will fall flat during their enforcement then you are fucked. Royally.

This illustrates the importance of fighting against registration laws. If they don't know you have them they can't come for them. In my state there is no requirement to register a firearm.

I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable in a deep blue state might need to move to one of these states.

[[email protected]]

I'd hand it in then sell my house and leave the state for Texas. I'm not paying land and income tax to this cucked state. There's power in protest but also in walking away.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Running is only a bet on an inevitable collapse within a suitable timeline, and it's only a deferral of your required duties or worse, shifting them on to your kids or your grandkids.

I'm not casting stones. Nobody wants to be the first over the trench but even Texas is turning blue. If a collapse of the old order doesn't come soon then there will be nowhere left to run.

[kamoz]

Enough of the depressing outlooks! (Turn up volume for maximum effect).

[Bluey]

(04-06-2018 09:21 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Long story short. If you allow cunts like this to make these laws and simply hope that they will fall flat during their enforcement then you are fucked. Royally.

Quote snipped for brevity.

There's supposedly an awful lot of stuff that didn't get handed in too. Keep hearing about tens of thousands of sks carbines came into the country and only a few hundred ever got handed in for example. Hell, I know of a few people who've hinted they buried quite a few rifles. Not that such law abiding people would ever break a stupid law (hello ASIO!).
Occasionally get an old farmer keel over and they find quite the arsenal they never registered too. Heard about one where the police supposedly ended up carting off stuff up to 20mm.

[Kona]

(04-06-2018 02:52 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Keep in mind this is Illinois we're talking about.

Let's call it Illi-soy.

I think this link here will help explain the problem:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1920...us-states/

It seeps into the water supply.

Aloha!