[mpr]

I'm posting to encourage all RVFers to participate in 'Fight Back Friday'! This call to action is to fight back against unjust campus kangeroo courts by contacting the officials below one or before Friday 28th 2017. Let the Trump administration know that we support any efforts to reform or eliminate campus IX tribunals! For decades campus feminists' have been using these courts to circumvent the legal system, and it's constitutional protections. More and more we see title IX accusations being used by female students as a way to go after men they drunkenly hook up with when they have buyers remorse. Or insidiously as a way to get revenge on ex's who break up with them. Now the Trump administration is looking at overhauling the system by bringing back basic protections for the accused, or eliminating it all together.

This is a call to let the executive branch know that rape is a serious crime and should be reported to the police via call to 911. If left the thinks that limited due process tribunals aren't ok for foreigner fighters suspected of terrorism that are captured on the battlefield, then they're not okay for American college-aged males. The executive branch has been getting a lot of heat over this so it's time to show our support! Make sure your message is polite and concise. You don't need to write an entire article. A short statement of support will suffice. The career you save might be your own!

Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights - Candice Jackson: [email protected]

Secretary of Education - Betsy DeVos: [email protected]

The White House - contact form

[kavakid]

Thanks for posting. Rape is a serious accusation and should be treated seriously. I need to read up more on title ix as a college student myself.

[John Michael Kane]

The only people who should oversee rape accusations are the police. They are the ones trained to deal with it, and have experience interviewing witnesses and suspects. Crusty campus cunts in college admin departments do not. Due process of the law, IS THE LAW. No campus should be able to evict someone accused of a crime without a criminal court conviction. If they get a conviction, the student should be suspended until an appeal can be filed. Only after a failed appeal should they be able to permanently ban a student for good. False accusations should be grounds for removal from campus, loss of scholarship funds and referral to local police for prosecution.

[JayR]

(08-31-2017 02:28 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

The only people who should oversee rape accusations are the police. They are the ones trained to deal with it, and have experience interviewing witnesses and suspects. Crusty campus cunts in college admin departments do not. Due process of the law, IS THE LAW. No campus should be able to evict someone accused of a crime without a criminal court conviction. If they get a conviction, the student should be suspended until an appeal can be filed. Only after a failed appeal should they be able to permanently ban a student for good. False accusations should be grounds for removal from campus, loss of scholarship funds and referral to local police for prosecution.

DeVos has officially rescinded the "Dear Colleague" letter.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/...cases.html

[TheOllam]

(09-22-2017 11:52 AM)JayR Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 02:28 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

The only people who should oversee rape accusations are the police. They are the ones trained to deal with it, and have experience interviewing witnesses and suspects. Crusty campus cunts in college admin departments do not. Due process of the law, IS THE LAW. No campus should be able to evict someone accused of a crime without a criminal court conviction. If they get a conviction, the student should be suspended until an appeal can be filed. Only after a failed appeal should they be able to permanently ban a student for good. False accusations should be grounds for removal from campus, loss of scholarship funds and referral to local police for prosecution.

DeVos has officially rescinded the "Dear Colleague" letter.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/...cases.html

This is tremendous, she also talked about common sense reforms on the Fox interview. Education is due for an overhaul, it's time. It's actually very practical and the left has lost credibility with the free speech shenanigans on campus.

[TravelerKai]

We don't have a woman of the year award, but if we did, she or Sarah Huckabee would be the top two candidates. Might have to just give it to Betsy though, because if you really think about it, the bulk of this forum in many ways came together because of the campus hysteria. The campus hysteria was one of the main battles against feminism we took on. Some of the "RVF Golden Age" period when we even had handfuls of liberal members, we had alot of our best work together on this exact topic. I will raise a glass tonight to honor those times.

None of these other women like Sommers, have ever done what Betsy has done. Is it too soon for Roosh to offer her a complementary RVF account to post here, without the tits requirements?

[Thrill Jackson]

(09-22-2017 11:52 AM)JayR Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 02:28 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

The only people who should oversee rape accusations are the police. They are the ones trained to deal with it, and have experience interviewing witnesses and suspects. Crusty campus cunts in college admin departments do not. Due process of the law, IS THE LAW. No campus should be able to evict someone accused of a crime without a criminal court conviction. If they get a conviction, the student should be suspended until an appeal can be filed. Only after a failed appeal should they be able to permanently ban a student for good. False accusations should be grounds for removal from campus, loss of scholarship funds and referral to local police for prosecution.

DeVos has officially rescinded the "Dear Colleague" letter.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/...cases.html

I'm getting fucked up tonight off of this news alone. This calls for a celebration!


9/22/17 mark it down as a RVF holiday!

[Sombro]

Quote:

In today’s announcement, the Department of Education stated that it will develop a new approach to addressing sexual misconduct on campus that takes seriously the rights of victims and the accused. New policy will be implemented through a “notice and comment” process that responds to the input of all stakeholders, according to the department. The department did not solicit feedback for its 2011 letter, prompting a FIRE-sponsored lawsuit last year.

A study released by FIRE earlier this month found that college students are routinely denied even the most basic elements of a fair hearing. Indeed, since the 2011 “Dear Colleague” letter was issued, students have filed more than 180 lawsuits against colleges for allegedly conducting unfair disciplinary procedures.

https://www.thefire.org/dear-colleague-i...11-letter/

[estraudi]

DeVos has officially rescinded the "Dear Colleague" letter.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/...cases.html
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I'm getting fucked up tonight off of this news alone. This calls for a celebration!


9/22/17 mark it down as a RVF holiday!
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What?
You say what?
Betsy DeVos did what?
Ah man, that's hey, that's all good baby
She got rid of the Colleague Letters too?
Ah man, we need to declare this a national holiday
We gonna call this Players Holiday
Roosh V what up man? ...

[budoslavic]

From the U.S. Department of Education Press Office.

Quote:

Department of Education Issues New Interim Guidance on Campus Sexual Misconduct

New Q&A will serve as interim guide until the conclusion of notice and comment rulemaking
Widely criticized 2011, 2014 guidance also withdrawn

September 22, 2017

Washington — Building on her remarks from September 7, 2017, regarding the Department's commitment to protecting all students from discrimination, today U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos announced the release of a new interim Q&A for schools on how to investigate and adjudicate allegations of campus sexual misconduct under federal law.

"This interim guidance will help schools as they work to combat sexual misconduct and will treat all students fairly," said DeVos. "Schools must continue to confront these horrific crimes and behaviors head-on. There will be no more sweeping them under the rug. But the process also must be fair and impartial, giving everyone more confidence in its outcomes."

In the coming months, the Department intends to engage in rulemaking on Title IX responsibilities arising from complaints of sexual misconduct. The Department will solicit comments from stakeholders and the public during the rulemaking process, a legal procedure the prior administration ignored.

In the interim, the newly-released Q&A on Campus Sexual Misconduct explains the Department's current expectations of schools, and the Department will continue to rely on its Revised Sexual Harassment Guidance, which was informed by a public comment process and issued in 2001, as well as the Dear Colleague Letter on Sexual Harassment issued on January 25, 2006.

"In the coming months, hearing from survivors, campus administrators, parents, students and experts on sexual misconduct will be vital as we work to create a thoughtful rule that will benefit students for years to come. We also will continue to work with schools and community leaders to better address preventing sexual misconduct through education and early intervention," DeVos added.

The Department of Education is also withdrawing the Dear Colleague Letter on Sexual Violence dated April 4, 2011, and the Questions and Answers on Title IX Sexual Violence dated April 29, 2014. The withdrawn documents ignored notice and comment requirements, created a system that lacked basic elements of due process and failed to ensure fundamental fairness.

DeVos concluded, "As I said earlier this month, the era of rule by letter is over. The Department of Education will follow the proper legal procedures to craft a new Title IX regulation that better serves students and schools."

FAQs on Updated Campus Sexual Misconduct Guidance

What is the purpose of the Q&A on Campus Sexual Misconduct?
* Describes a school's responsibility to address sexual misconduct complaints
* Discusses the relationship between Title IX and the Clery Act
* Provides examples of interim measures that may be appropriate under the circumstances
* Summarizes what procedures a school should follow to adjudicate a finding of responsibility for sexual misconduct
* Describes what constitutes an "equitable" investigation
* Explains a school's obligations concerning appeals
* Clarifies appropriate evidentiary standards
* Informs schools of their responsibilities concerning notifications to parties of the outcomes of disciplinary proceedings

What are a school's obligations under Title IX regarding sexual misconduct?
* Schools must address sexual misconduct that is severe, persistent or pervasive.
* Schools must conduct a fair and impartial investigation in a timely manner.
* Title IX investigations must be led by a person free of actual or reasonably perceived conflicts of interest and biases.
* Schools must designate a Title IX Coordinator.

Do schools have flexibility to establish fair procedures?
* Schools have the discretion to apply either the preponderance of the evidence standard or the clear and convincing evidence standard.
* Schools are not required to allow appeals; however, a school may choose to allow appeals solely by the responding party or by both parties.
* Schools may permit an informal resolution, such as mediation, if it is appropriate and if all parties voluntarily agree.
* Schools should provide written notice to the responding party of the allegations, including sufficient details and with adequate time to prepare a response before any initial interview.
* OCR recommends schools provide concurrent, written notice of the outcome of disciplinary proceedings to the reporting and responding parties.

Does the rescission letter or the Q&A add legal requirements?
The rescission letter and Q&A do not add requirements to applicable law.

Does the rescission letter or the Q&A limit the right of a person to file a Title IX complaint?
No. A school must adopt and publish grievance procedures that provide for a prompt and equitable resolution of complaints of sex discrimination, including sexual misconduct. Moreover, whether or not a student files a complaint of alleged sexual misconduct or otherwise asks the school to take action, where the school knows or reasonably should know of an incident of sexual misconduct, the school must take steps to understand what occurred and to respond appropriately. In particular, when sexual misconduct is so severe, persistent or pervasive as to deny or limit a student's ability to participate in or benefit from the recipient's school's programs or activities, a hostile environment exists and the school must respond.

How can I get help from OCR?
OCR offers technical assistance to help schools achieve voluntary compliance with the civil rights laws it enforces and works with schools to develop approaches to preventing and addressing discrimination. A school should contact the OCR enforcement office serving its jurisdiction for technical assistance.

Of course, Liberals, Feminists and women's organizations are not happy with Betsy Devos' announcement. They are currently having an epic meltdown over it and tweeted out the same old BS talking points along with twisting Devos' words to fit their narrative.

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[url=https://twitter.com/AmandaMarcotte/status/911252263372562434]

[The Beast1]

All Betsy needs to do is force colleges to treat what otherwise is a criminal act as just that, a criminal act.

Let the police sort out rape by doing a proper investigation.

They don't have the title 9 kangaroo courts try murder cases, why should rape (a heinous and violent crime) be treated the same way?

[MMX2010]

[url=https://twitter.com/mcturk12/status/911347243885703168][/url]

Best meltdown tweet so far.

[CJ_W]

(09-22-2017 11:52 AM)JayR Wrote:  

(08-31-2017 02:28 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

The only people who should oversee rape accusations are the police. They are the ones trained to deal with it, and have experience interviewing witnesses and suspects. Crusty campus cunts in college admin departments do not. Due process of the law, IS THE LAW. No campus should be able to evict someone accused of a crime without a criminal court conviction. If they get a conviction, the student should be suspended until an appeal can be filed. Only after a failed appeal should they be able to permanently ban a student for good. False accusations should be grounds for removal from campus, loss of scholarship funds and referral to local police for prosecution.

DeVos has officially rescinded the "Dear Colleague" letter.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/...cases.html

You know, if Trump happened to fail on EVERYTHING ELSE, I'd be happy I voted for him JUST FOR THIS. This is fucking huge.

[godfather dust]

(09-22-2017 06:15 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

[url=https://twitter.com/mcturk12/status/911347243885703168][/url]

Best meltdown tweet so far.

Yeah, if you fuck a girl without Chapelle consent contracts and don't film it you can be accused of rape... hopefully some semi-woke followers of this broad realize that and jump off the Fight the Evil White Male Oppressor train.

[C-Note]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/19/jud...p-sex.html

Although this case concerns a female student who apparently was accused of sexually assaulting several other female students while they were all blackout drunk, it's still a good sign, because it shows that the US court system is telling universities that if they're going to have their own courts, then they better run them right:

Quote:

In a rare Title IX ruling, a federal judge blocked Ohio State University from expelling a female student accused of two separate instances of sexual misconduct -- fondling and kissing a drunk student and having nonconsensual group sex.

U.S. District Judge Edmund Sargus, a Clinton appointee, ruled Tuesday that OSU violated “Jane Roe’s” constitutional right to cross-examine her accusers. The incidents occurred in 2016.

The public university in Columbus, Ohio is one of the first schools to be on the losing end of a due-process challenge by an accused female student, The College Fix reported.

OSU suspended Roe for two years as a result of the first incident of alleged sexual misconduct, and two months later, it changed the action to an expulsion for a second, independent charge.

In court documents, Roe said because she was unable to cross-examine witnesses during the disciplinary hearings, OSU violated her Sixth Amendment right to due process.

Sargus agreed with Roe and said cross-examination plays a “central role” as a “truth-seeking device in our justice system.”

In the first case, Roe was accused of sexually touching her accuser at the movies. Both had been heavily intoxicated, according to the report, and eyewitnesses claimed the alleged victim said she was “felt up by [Roe] while floating in and out of consciousness.” Roe testified she did not remember kissing or touching her.

OSU’s hearing officer found Roe’s statements “not plausible or credible” but said the alleged victim and other witnesses “presented a consistent and credible account…and together outweighed the contradictory information…”

Sargus rejected OSU’s claim that two absent witnesses were “duplicative” of in-person testimony by the accuser, who refused to answer questions at the hearing.

In the second incident, two new accusers alleged, after “drinks and dancing,” they went to Roe’s house and had “nonconsensual” group sex, but Roe said she “obtained consent from them for every sexual act she performed” after they took her clothes off and that none them were “substantially impaired.”

In statements made to the hearing officer, one of the accusers said she “agreed to intercourse” but was “too drunk to consent,” while the other was “forced” to perform oral sex on Roe while “severely intoxicated.”

Unlike Roe’s first proceeding, the accusers did not attend or testify at the hearing, but a witness who wasn’t present that night did. The result was the same – the officers found the accusers had credible statements, whereas Roe did not. According to the university’s Title IX office, Roe should’ve noticed the alleged victims’ impaired state and obtained “clear, knowing, and expressed consent before and during each sexual act.”

Sargus rejected Ohio State’s claims for a refusal to give Roe her right to cross-examine, adding if the school wants to discipline her, they need to start a new proceeding that includes her constitutional due process but are not obligated to let Roe back on campus.