[Once Was Not]

(02-14-2018 10:49 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I'm just tickled how it's the year 2018 and there's still people who don't believe Jews dominate the power structure in the U.S.

There's nothing conspiracy minded about pointing out that:

Jewish elites have near complete control over the mainstream Republican party and have turned all policies towards the neocon agenda which has been designed around supporting Israel. There are policy papers which outright state this as the case. Even mainstream Democratic policies are weighed heavily towards the neocon agenda. In fact the two parties' foreign policies converge more often than not when it comes to Israel and foreign wars (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, etc..) related to protecting Israel's interests.

Jewish elites and their representatives have dominated the federal reserve for the longest time. Even if you look outside of the fed it's full of powerful Jews in wall street or key figureheads in banking or investment firms...ie. Goldman Sachs.

Academia. Just look at the various chairmen and professors advocating for pro Israel and "progressivist" type policies. Most of them have some kind of background in marxism or they promote a jewish-centric version of Randian style conservativism combined with modern neoconservative policies. Ben Shapiro is a pretty good example of the latter but he's not an academic but is the product of an elite institution run by Jews.

Part of Jewish nepotism is to even go as far as to subvert competition in elite institutions when they feel threatened. You can even see this being done to whites as well as asian-americans when it comes to affirmative action.

The media. Just look at Hollywood and every other mainstream political pundit. Wiki up their profile and check out their family background. Notice how it doesn't matter if they are left or right leaning that they all pretty much advocate for similar policy concerns when it comes to foreign wars or Israel. 'nuff said.

All my doubts were erased when the Prime Minister of Israel came into our house, our capital, and had the nerve to talk shit about our sitting President in front of our Congress. And then, the roaring, long, and numerous standing ovations he got all throughout his speech, from both political parties. It was like nothing I had ever seen before. How seemingly impossible it was to get the Dems and Republicans to agree on something, and they falling over themselves to scream in joy for Netanyahu's words. I didn't like Obama at all, but he was still my President and that shit Netanyahu pulled was unbelievably disrespectful. But seeing my politicians cheering and reacting like trained dogs...there was no doubt anymore. That was what...almost 3 years ago now? How many Prime Ministers have come to our Capital building and spoken before Congress since then?

I don't even really hate Israel or anything, not even Netanyahu. I would really prefer the Holy Land to remain in civilized hands so Christians can visit without being beheaded or enslaved by the Muslim savages. I believe it can exist without the U.S. being it's bitch. But this iron grip they have on the U.S. is just killing us. Not that there's anything we can do. It's like Scorpion said, the brainwashing is full proof, totally ironclad, it's suicide to even suggest bringing up the JQ in public circles.

[Leonard D Neubache]

You only have to wait.

The latest round of anti-Nazi Jewish sympathy porn (Call Of Duty WW2) is falling on deaf ears. Nazi and Holocaust jokes are the in thing among my oldest son's demographic. On the current trajectory in as little as 15 years Jews will simply be another race and Israel will simply be another blob on the world map. The younger generations will laugh at the idea of throwing their lives on the sacrificial altar of Israel and the older generations will either be wise to the JQ or at best ambivalent about protecting them.

Hence I think something big is going to be foisted on us in the meanwhile. We're about one major war away from having the last of our warrior bloodlines tossed into the meat-grinder.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Jewish people as individuals are really nice and I've never had a negative experience with any of them. However, Zionists (whether located in Israel or abroad) are a bunch of disgusting psychos whose mega-maniacal dreams of world domination deserve no aid from decent people.

Furthermore, even without nuclear weapons, USA has enough global firepower to obliterate every surrounding country within a week of it initiating an attack on Israel. All arguments concerning "preemptive wars" are therefore automatically invalid.

Conclusion: fuck Zionists wars.

[blck]

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Rav Ron Chaya, a French rabbi, explains to us how Israel, in its ideological profits, will try of entrainer the western and oriental civilizations in a world war which they will not want.
This even if it will be necessary to pull them by the mop of hair of them hair.

Sorry for those who don't speak french, this link is just the proof that anything said is not out of my own head, this rabbi having the insight that no one else can have already spoke about this.

War between occident and orient will only profit Israël

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-15-2018 05:43 AM)blck Wrote:  

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Rav Ron Chaya, a French rabbi, explains to us how Israel, in its ideological profits, will try of entrainer the western and oriental civilizations in a world war which they will not want.
This even if it will be necessary to pull them by the mop of hair of them hair.

Sorry for those who don't speak french, this link is just the proof that anything said is not out of my own head, this rabbi having the insight that no one else can have already spoke about this.

War between occident and orient will only profit Israël

Ay, but if there are 150 mio. Muslims in Europe and some 50 mio. in the US with huge attacks being triggered wiping out millions in the West, then such a war will come anyway. In my opinion that is why they actively import so many Muslims to the West, why they deport Christian Middle Easterners or Ex-Muslims, but give extra aid to returning Jihadis. It all makes sense if you want to prepare for WWIII. But when it starts, then the West will be in a similar survival situation as Israel. And yes - then the West will help wipe out Israel's enemy.

On the other hand that enemy has been marauding across the West for 1400 years and has wiped out plenty of knowledge and countries (Persia, ancient libraries of Egypt, Constantinople - both the country as well as most of the ancient previous architecture). They attacked Europe hundreds of times while the West only had the few limited crusades and only the 19th century some serious kick-back.

Even Michael Hoffman who speaks frequently about the "Jewish Question" says that Ashkenazi Jews are essentially white. Israel is a white ethno-state. Neither the right nor the Israeli Zionists would want to hear it, but this is true. One could argue whether it is a Western white ethno-state, but I would wager it is since the majority of Ashkenazi Jews were living in Western and Eastern Europe for the last centuries.

I don't want to praise Israel like this beacon of civilization after all the evil spread by Jewish NGOs, but fact is fact:

I could take most of you guys and put them into Israel with a bag of cash, then ban you from ever leaving the country. You would adapt and be fine, be even happy. If I did the same to you and put you into any Muslim country of the Middle East, then I doubt that you would be even half as happy living there. Never mind if you have family and suddenly have to cover up your daughter 24/7.

That of course does not validate the question on whether to support Israel in a fight with Iran. Such a fight won't come anyway anytime soon.

[blck]

(02-15-2018 07:02 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I don't want to praise Israel like this beacon of civilization after all the evil spread by Jewish NGOs, but fact is fact:

I could take most of you guys and put them into Israel with a bag of cash, then ban you from ever leaving the country. You would adapt and be fine, be even happy. If I did the same to you and put you into any Muslim country of the Middle East, then I doubt that you would be even half as happy living there. Never mind if you have family and suddenly have to cover up your daughter 24/7.

That of course does not validate the question on whether to support Israel in a fight with Iran. Such a fight won't come anyway anytime soon.

I like your answer and I want to take a shot at the statement bolded in your comment.
In the serie Altered Carbon, the invisible killer ask a police man, flashing a ring with a David Cross on it, if he was a believer.
This subject started a conversation about how Christianism is being wiped out as an obsolete cult, why Islam would face the same fate and why Judaism would be the last religion living on earth.

The fact is it's the only religion that doesn't go against human nature and vile instincts, the others two monotheist cults tried to led Men on the good path with the pursuit of Divine forgiveness as a reward but the last one (or first one) is doing the complete opposite, the more the better, also I want to point what a "chosen one" friend told me "Look for the real meaning of the name Israël, and if you find it I'll answer all your questions"

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The name Israel in the Bible: Israel is the name given to Jacob during his encounter with the Angel of God at the river Jabbok (Genesis 32:28). Source

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Israel is a Biblical given name. The patriarch Jacob was given the name Israel (Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵל, Standard Yisraʾel Tiberian Yiśrāʾēl) after he "wrestled with the angel" (Genesis 32:28 and 35:10). Source

Those are what I've been led to so I asked and he stated that I was almost right, that the etymology was ok but the meaning was stronger than that.
I stop my rambling here.

[Samseau]

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In my opinion that is why they actively import so many Muslims to the West, why they deport Christian Middle Easterners or Ex-Muslims, but give extra aid to returning Jihadis. It all makes sense if you want to prepare for WWIII. But when it starts, then the West will be in a similar survival situation as Israel. And yes - then the West will help wipe out Israel's enemy.

It makes a lot of sense. But why do the globalists seem so hell bent on turning Israel into an open-borders hellhole as well? The opposition to Lukid in Israel is the Democrat party there.

[beta_plus]

The blunt reality with the muslim world (including Israel) is that they are to the 21st century what the Soviet/Chinese Communist block was to the 20th century.

The only effective strategy against them is a George Kennan inspired containment policy (in this case a USA, Russian, and Chinese alliance).

Except this time anyone trying to escape is not allowed to.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-15-2018 08:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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In my opinion that is why they actively import so many Muslims to the West, why they deport Christian Middle Easterners or Ex-Muslims, but give extra aid to returning Jihadis. It all makes sense if you want to prepare for WWIII. But when it starts, then the West will be in a similar survival situation as Israel. And yes - then the West will help wipe out Israel's enemy.

It makes a lot of sense. But why do the globalists seem so hell bent on turning Israel into an open-borders hellhole as well? The opposition to Lukid in Israel is the Democrat party there.

There is more going on with Israel which points to the reality that there might be a truly dominant group within that has little to do with Judaism at all - but that is my theory.

Israel had quasi open borders for a long time and there was a lot of opposition to end it.

In addition Israel has full feminism on steroids, gay propaganda - gay parades etc. as well as many other points. Some agendas don't take, but that is partly due to no self-guilt like in the West (though there are the self-loathing SJWs there too).

[YossariansRight]

(02-14-2018 03:19 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Aint no Iranian ever called me Goy.

If Israel were a good-faith actor surrounded by insane muslims that wanted them dead simply because they were Jews then I would absolutely go to their aid.

But the reality is that they want us to die for them for free and afterward they'll laugh at our dead and our crippled when the fighting ends.

"Look at those dumb goy cannonfodder? How can they be this stupid?"

I feel sympathy for the common Jew who just tries to get along but history bears out the simple fact that his is the vindictive gamma of races. When the Jewish elite cease pozzing the world and make efforts to unwind the cultural damage they've done to the West? When they put out arrest warrants for the Soros' of the world? Then we can talk.

Amen, amen and amen!

I’ve asked many times: “How the fuck is Schwartz (aka Soros) still alive? Is there not ONE Mossad operative somewhere that wants some payback?”

Obviously, he’s protected. By whom? Do I need to speculate?

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-15-2018 05:22 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Jewish people as individuals are really nice and I've never had a negative experience with any of them. However, Zionists (whether located in Israel or abroad) are a bunch of disgusting psychos whose mega-maniacal dreams of world domination deserve no aid from decent people.

Furthermore, even without nuclear weapons, USA has enough global firepower to obliterate every surrounding country within a week of it initiating an attack on Israel. All arguments concerning "preemptive wars" are therefore automatically invalid.

Conclusion: fuck Zionists wars.

And herein lies the problem. "we can fuck anybody up" is the line used by people who don't believe dominion can be reduced or fail entirely.

The cost in human lives is also another factor. Why should US soldiers and by extension, NATO soldiers have to get thrown into the meat grinder?

There were many powerful Empires who were the USA of their age and their armies could destroy many an enemy but in the end their militaries failed them as a result of the country failing its military.

How long this will go on is up for debate and I am no prepper type wishing for the grand finale of doomsday but if the US and NATO keeps going down this path there will be a series of events that will undermine them all.

[Thomas Jackson]

I dont think this will happen because as powerful as the Israeli military is they don't want a full fledged war with Iran. I don't want Iran to get nukes either, but there is not a good solution at this point. The blood and treasure required to take out the regime is too much. It does seem that western democracy is more realistic there than among the inbred tribalists of the arab world.

[Syberpunk]

Great points Leonard, I honestly think the plan is to flood Europe with migrants, so as to see Jewish scream persecution over the next century and we will be forced to save them, in essence they themselves create another Holocaust (except this time it'll be you know...REAL).

We will come into the war to save their own self destructive tendencies, that work out long term for them spectacularly. They don't mind sacrificing a few of their own.

We might save Europe, but we won't have saved ourselves and native Europeans will far less then they are now.

However, our culture now basically is Jewish now, our comforts and tech, Israel is something I respect as an ethnostate but only that, but Islam is even worse, given the chance I'd rather fight on their side to keep what we have, then live in a caliphate.

But if we win, it'll be even more stratified then it is now and native tendencies culture will seen as dirty like Germany after WW2, except this time it'll be for all of Europe. Expect thousand of (((US))) soldiers stationed in each EU country like in modern Germany, who are going to remain an occupied country forever.

The other possibility is that Islam will be exterminated in some form, when it does begin to effect consumerism in a serious way.
But they won't use nukes they have on us they have it too good and its too delicate and uncontrollable


So we're being fucked. Slowly. On timespans that the average person can't discipline themselves to think about.
Unlike this Australian Gentleman
Brendon O'Connell, people talk like Jordan Peterson is some modern day John The Baptist, this man lost everything he has and could have had for his future, its chilling. This is the definition of the term too often used when it shouldn't be - WOKE.

He's toned down his intense demeanour for this:

[nomadbrah]

(02-18-2018 11:48 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

but Islam is even worse, given the chance I'd rather fight on their side to keep what we have, then live in a caliphate.

See this where you are wrong.

I would always choose to live in a islamic caliphate over living under an official jewish dictatorship.

Why?

Because I would not exist if Israel had its way. The European christian would be GONE under jewish supremacy. Look at what they are doing to us!

Under Islam, yes no alchohol, sucks, virgin wife, more than one, sure I can live with that and Islam holds European muslims in high regard.

[Seth_Rose]

^^^Did you see Handsome Creepy Eel's post above? Your quality of life would be much higher in Israel than in an Islamic theocracy.

Also, I'm skeptical that in a Caliphate Christians would be allowed to prosper and live freely. Christianity is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia so... not a good look.

[911]

(02-18-2018 07:08 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

^^^Did you see Handsome Creepy Eel's post above? Your quality of life would be much higher in Israel than in an Islamic theocracy.

Also, I'm skeptical that in a Caliphate Christians would be allowed to prosper and live freely. Christianity is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia so... not a good look.

Few countries suppress their native Christian populations as much as Israel does. Before the state of Israel was founded, there were 400,000 Christians living in Palestine, mostly Arab Palestinians, along with other communities (Armenians, Europeans etc). They were ethnically cleansed by the Zionists, their population is down to 60,000 and still declining as they face daily persecution from Talmudists, who burn churches and persecute local Chrisitans.

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The state of Israel is blocking the release of details on the recent arson attack against a historical Catholic church by the Sea of Galilee, namely the Church of the Multiplication of the Loaves and Fish in Tabgha. It resides at the site where Christ miraculously multiplied loaves and fish to feed 5,000 people.

Aside from being damaged by the fire, the church was also vandalized with Hebrew graffiti messages such as "Death to non-Jews" and "False idols will be eliminated." The incident marked the second time since last year the building has been attacked.

Sixteen Jewish seminary students were arrested, but they were released hours later. Thus far, the crime remains unpunished.

Although leaders in Israel have condemned the act, critics are skeptical justice will prevail, as Israeli authorities have yet to prosecute a single person in the 43 crimes against churches or mosques that have occurred in Israel within the last three and a half years.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/arti...d-vandaliz

Another Talmudist arson attack on a landmark Holy Land church, one of dozen attacks the last few years:

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A hundred year old church was burned Friday by right-wing Israeli settlers, who broke a number of windows of the church and hurled Molotov cocktails inside.

The damage to the church was substantial, with burn damage throughout the first floor of the building.

The church was built in Jerusalem in 1897, and housed the Palestinian Bible College until 1947, when parishioners were pushed out by armed Jewish gangs during the violence accompanying the creation of the state of Israel.

Christians make up 2% of the population of both Israel and the Palestinian Territories – the number used to be around 15%, but many Christians from the Holy Land have emigrated due to the harsh conditions of the Israeli occupation, and discrimination against them by the Israeli state.

...In 2006, an Israeli couple tried to firebomb an ancient church in Nazareth, the city where Christians believe that Jesus Christ lived 2000 years ago. An Israeli court which tried the case failed to convict the couple of any charges.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...-says.html

Most of these attacks go unpunished. Israeli authorities know the culprits and let it happen. Imagine the headlines if one synagogue was ever burned down anywhere, let alone dozens...

Talmudists spit at Clergy members on a daily basis, as part of their
religious duty:

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SPITTING ON THE CROSS A statement by Professor Israel Shahak

Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, and especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from around A.D. 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of anti-Semitic hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually on the cross or openly before the church.

The increasing strength of the Jewish state has caused these customs to become more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism , organized in Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government is a an act of traditional Jewish piety... This barbarous attitude of contempt and hate for Christian religious symbols has grown in Israel.

...In recent years, anti-Christian feelings are literally exploding in Israel (and among Israel-worshiping Jews in Diaspora too) together with the increase of the Jewish fanaticism in all other areas too.

The real enemies of truth here, as in many other aspects of the Israel reality, are the socialists, "liberals", "radicals", etc. in the USA. Imagine the reaction of the US Liberals, and of such papers as 'The Nation' and 'New York Review of Books', not to speak of the 'New York Times', if in any state whatsoever, the government financed spitting on a Star of David?

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Armenian Archbishop Manougian says he and his colleagues have already learned to live with the spitting. "I no longer get worked up by Jews who turn around and spit when I pass them by in the street; but to approach in the middle of a religious procession and to spit on the cross in front of all the priests of the sect is humiliation that we are not prepared to accept," he said.

"The Israeli government is anti-Christian," Manougian added. "It cries out in the face of any harm done to Jews all over the world, but is simply not interested at all when we are humiliated on an almost daily basis."

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/spitting.htm

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It is “normal” for Jews to spit on Christians in the streets of Jerusalem, a senior Catholic church leader in that city, Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa, custos (Latin for guardian ) of holy sites on behalf of the Vatican has said.

Quoted in an interview in the Haaretz newspaper after a new arson and vandalism attack on a Trappist Monastery in Latrun, upon which the words “Jesus was a monkey” was scrawled in Hebrew, Pizzaballa cautioned Israelis over how Christians are treated in Israel.

In a reference to the long-standing, continual incidents of Orthodox Jewish extremists in Jerusalem spitting at Christian clergy, Pizzaballa said: “When I came to the country, I was told that I should know that if I walk around with a frock in the city [of Jerusalem], people would spit on me, and I shouldn’t be offended, it’s normal.”

No matter how high his position, any priest who makes his way around the city will sooner or later be spat upon and cursed...

[Seth_Rose]

Those acts are heinous and despicable, but I'm still holding by my claim. I don't want to sidetrack this thread, but many of your points can be refuted. For example, the articles you posted are from 2015. Can you provide some recent examples? And had you done some more research on your sources and claims, you would've seen that Bentzi Gopstein, a man featured in on of your articles, was arrested last year for threatening Arabs:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/15-jewish-...ing-arabs/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-rad...ncitement/

This article provides a good overview of life for Christians in Israel:

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-...55770.html

In the nightmarish maelstrom that defines the Middle East today, there are few places of refuge for Christians. While Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Sudan and Libya are disintegrating and Egypt is embattled, the Christians are in dire trouble in a region that is increasingly Islamic radical.

Yet, abandoning the Middle East would be painful for most Christians. Jesus of Nazareth was born in Bethlehem, lived in the Galilee and was crucified in Jerusalem. Many Christian holy places from the Via Dolorosa to the Church of the Annunciation are in Jerusalem and others are in Israel or the West Bank.

In Iraq and Syria Christians face enslavement, torture, massacres and crucifixion at the hands of ISIS. ISIS sees them as the dread Crusaders who need to be destroyed or repressed. ISIS marks Christian houses with an N for Nazarene to single out their victims.

Unlike the Jews after 1948, the Christians have no state to go to. Only Lebanon could be a place of refuge but the Christian population has plunged in 100 years from 78% to 34% of the country.
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By contrast, the 160,000 Israeli Christians live as citizens in a democratic First World country with freedom of religion, rule of law and open elections. Christians can move anywhere, even building a number of churches recently in Tel Aviv. The government safeguards the Christian holy places and is lenient on the right of return of Christian refugees. Since 1967 Christian, Islamic and Jewish holy sites are open to pilgrims of all religions. The Christian churches own a significant part of Jerusalem, including the land on which the Knesset sits.

Their greatest problem often comes from the Muslims. Most Arab Muslims are relatively satisfied with Israel but a growing minority, especially in the north, is virulently anti-Christian, using physical attacks, provocative speech and seditious billboards. These radicals call the Christians, “the descendants of apes and pigs.” While Bethlehem was once 90% Christian, today it is 65% Muslim.
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Today 60% more Christians live in Israel than in the Palestinian territories. A small new Christian party, B’nai Brith, calls on its youth to serve in the Israeli army and hundreds each year do so. Its leader, Reverend Nadaff, declares, “We love this country.”

Israeli Christians have several problems. One is lacking the benefits given to Israelis who serve in the army. Another is the provocative defacing and vandalizing of Christian monuments and cemeteries by a group of radical Jews. Christians complain of the high cost of land and housing. Their small size and internal divisions make them a peripheral political force.

Outside of the Gulf States with over a million mainly Asian Christians laborers, Israel is the only place in the Middle East where the Christians are growing in number. They are excelling in education, doing well in business and feeling relatively safe from their radical tormentors.

My initial point was that your quality of life as a Christian would be higher in Israel than in any other Muslim country. I stand by that point, though I am not exonerating the behavior of the far-right in Israel against Christians, Muslims, and other minorities. Nor am I saying life is perfect for Christians in Israel, but it is a hell of a lot better than being targeted by terrorist groups, being enslaved, or being forced to worship underground.

Again, don't want to get sidetracked, as this is more of a geopolitical thread. Feel free to PM me. I am open to discussion and would like to hear other viewpoints. I am a Jew and a supporter of Israel, but am not blind to the failures of the country.

Edit: I suppose I should actually contribute something to the topic than just shilling for Israel.

My answer: No. No, we should not. The U.S., or should I say the American people, would not benefit from such a war. There's no need to forfeit blood and treasure so Israel can destroy its enemies.

I don't see such a war coming to fruition, however. The only thing I can see happening is a flare-up with Hezbollah and Israel in Lebanon or Southern Syria.

[PharaohRa]

If Israel wants to fulfill the Oded Yinon plan, they can do it themselves! Leave America out!

[WalterBlack]

Christian leaders shut Jerusalem's Church of Holy Sepulchre in protest at Israel imposing taxes

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Christian leaders are taking the rare step of closing the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, built at what is said to be the site of Jesus’ crucifixion, in protest at Israeli tax policies which they say unfairly target the Christian community.

Leaders of the Catholic, Greek, and Armenian denominations said they were indefinitely closing the church, home to Christianity’s holiest sites, because of a “systematic campaign” by Israeli authorities.

The move is the first time the church has been closed since 1990, when it was shut in protest at Israeli settlers taking over a Christian building, and it was not clear when its 1,000-year-old doors will open again.

"This reminds of us all of laws of a similar nature which were enacted against the Jews during dark periods in Europe," the churches said.

The Christian denominations said they were protesting against the decision by Jerusalem city government to start levying taxes on church properties and a proposed bill in the Israeli parliament that would make it harder for them to sell property.

The Christian churches are some of the largest landowners in the city and the mayor of Jerusalem has it is unfair that they do not pay full taxes on their vast property holdings. Church bank accounts have been shut down as officials pursue what they say are unpaid debts.

Israeli ministers are also considering a bill which would stop them selling land in Jerusalem to property developers, raising the prospect that people who live on the land would be forced out of their homes.

The Greek Orthodox church in particular has been making vast land sales in recent years. Several of the sales have been at low prices, prompting allegations that corrupt deals were taking part behind the scenes. The church has strenuously denied these accusations.

Control of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is shared between the Catholic, Greek and Armenian churches, as well as two smaller denominations.

In a joint statement released on Sunday, the leaders of the three largest denominations said the moves by Jerusalem city government and Israeli minsters were part of a “systematic and offensive campaign”.

“These actions breach existing agreements and international obligations which guarantee the rights and the privileges of Churches within the Holy City of Jerusalem and their relationship with the civil authorities,” they said.

“As a measure of protest, we decided to take this unprecedented step of closure of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Together with all Heads of Churches in the Holy land we stand united, firm and resolute in protecting our rights and our properties.”

There was no immediate comment from Israeli authorities.

The churches, which have existed for more than a millennium, have a complicated relationship with the 70-year-old Jewish state.

Israel prides itself as a protector of Christianity at a time when Christians face widespread persecution and violence in the Middle East. More than 500,000 Christian tourists visit Israel each year and tourism is a major part of the Israeli economy.

“I’m proud that Israel is a country in which Christians not only survive, but they thrive,” Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last year at Christmas.

However, most of the churches’ local adherents are Palestinians and the churches often speak out about the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the disastrous humanitarian situation in Gaza.

The two sides also clash regularly over property rights and the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and in east Jerusalem.

The current confrontation appears to be the most serious conflict between the churches and the Israeli state in decades.

Donald Trump stopped at the church during his visit to Jerusalem last year and it is usually a key part of any itinerary for tourists visiting the ancient city.

[Samseau]

^ Wow that's bad. Israel better give tax exempt status to at least the Church of the Holy Sepulcher or they will lose a shitload of Christian support.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< My sympathies for the huge church properties and their respective dabble in all kinds of businesses there are very limited.

I know this because I looked at the deals in Poland and the church after the fall of communism. The church used their immense power to even get back property supposedly taken back by the Germans 150 years ago. Land given to cities and small counties was taken away and given to the church who sits on real estate worth hundreds of billions in a country that simply cannot afford such luxuries.

The Catholic church especially is one of the biggest real estate owners in the world - an organization worth trillions while always claiming to be poor. Their net incomes may not be big, but their net assets are enormous, many of them in prime locations around the world.

I would not be surprised if the churches wanted to capitalize on the real estate spike now in Jerusalem or someone wanted to curb their reach in Isreal. I would recommend doing the same in countries like Poland who simply cannot afford to give the Catholic church charity on the level of 20 billion $.

[zigZag]

(02-26-2018 08:25 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

^ Wow that's bad. Israel better give tax exempt status to at least the Church of the Holy Sepulcher or they will lose a shitload of Christian support.

Hahahahahahahaha that's a good joke.

[nomadbrah]

Jewish history views christianity like european history views islam, mainly as an opponent and oppressor.

[FilipSRB]

One side in this war believes Jesus was a prophet and messenger of God and was after death raised alive to heaven and the other believes that he is boiling in excrement in Hell.

Serbs have survived around five centuries of Ottoman rule. It was hard and it was costly, but we prevailed and saved our culture and our Faith, only to lose it almost entirely in only 50 years of Communist rule.

If you are a Christian I think the choice is easy.

On additional note I also have some sympathy for the Persian people as well as their culture, history and achievements, even in the Islamic era.

[Super_Fire]

(02-26-2018 08:25 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

^ Wow that's bad. Israel better give tax exempt status to at least the Church of the Holy Sepulcher or they will lose a shitload of Christian support.

Israel and the Jews have never had Catholic support.

Cuck evangelicals can believe whatever they want.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church has rightly recognized for more than a millennia that Talmudic Judaism is the anti-Christ.