[Comte De St. Germain]

(12-11-2017 11:46 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 11:31 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 09:56 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 09:29 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 09:10 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

This issue would all be solved if we were able to do meetups...

But last time we tried that, the entire media accused us of attempting to hold "pro rape" rallies. It was the worst case of fake news I've ever seen - just a bunch of RVFers trying to have a drink together, all now being accused of hosting "rape rallies." I was literally worried that then news was going to come to my office and accuse me of holding a "pro rape" rally at my law office, and the SJWs would protest my practice.

I still like the idea of doing meetups, and would even be willing to host in my area, but it got real ugly last time.

Dude...we do meet-ups all the time. We've been doing meet-ups for a long ass time and we'll keep doing meet-ups far into the future. We literally have an entire sub-forum dedicated to organizing meet-ups. There's also a huge thread that exists for the sole purpose of documenting meet-ups that take place.



Just because one "official day of meet-ups" didn't work out, doesn't mean that you can't reach out to other members on your own....like we've been doing for years, are continuing to do and do all the time.

I'm a little confused about how someone allegedly smart enough to be a lawyer could be unaware of this.



Jariel didn't meet people because it was unwise for a person in his situation....not because we haven't successfully organized an official day of meet-ups.

Pro-Tip: You don't need permission to meet other members. We do it all the time.

Smart?

Nah.

I just write okay.

I don't know Jariel one way or another, but it seems he had a lot of respect on the forum.

To each his own.

The last thing I need is a pack of SJWs in front of my office.

There's more than a few lawyers off the forum that have met up. Hell I've met a few myself.

I don't see why you're making excuses for yourself. Granted you live in Philly and no one on here has any reason to visit there and to my knowledge no one from here besides you lives there.

Come have a beer.

It's a cool city.

I'm here? I'm fun? We'll run around town and hit on chicks?

I hate other lawyers. They're the worst.

I plan to do a Northeast road trip at some point so I'll let you know when I'm the neighborhood. There are sadly some unfulfilled promises on my part in terms of people I need to hang with both on and off the forum(most of whom I've already met) so those will have to take priority.

[Tex Cruise]

(12-11-2017 09:29 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Dude...we do meet-ups all the time. We've been doing meet-ups for a long ass time and we'll keep doing meet-ups far into the future.

Speaking of which, weren't you meant to be coming to Australia this week?

Let's have a beer

[Suits]

(12-12-2017 01:33 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 09:29 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Dude...we do meet-ups all the time. We've been doing meet-ups for a long ass time and we'll keep doing meet-ups far into the future.

Speaking of which, weren't you meant to be coming to Australia this week?

Let's have a beer

Would you like me to meet you at the Beijing Capital Airport or will you find your own way to Great Leap Brewing (Liangmaqiao branch)?

[Tex Cruise]

^ Even if the Chinese have made Great Leaps in Brewing, if it's not Foster's from a tinny while floating in an inner tube, then it's not having a beer.

[GlobalMan]

(12-11-2017 06:49 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

However, it was not clear to me from his post if he actually met jariel in person, or just spoke to him offline.

It doesn't need to be clear to you, as it isn't your business what TK or anyone else has done or not done, and whether Jariel has provided great value here or not (he has) does not hinge on knowing the answer to that question, obviously.

Mercenary Wrote:

That's my 2 cents on this...I'm expecting to take heat for this, cause I know how much love jariel has on here. However, I thought this needed to be pointed out.

Nothing needed to be pointed out, except in your mind, but not for the first time you've decided to make this an issue.

You started out by saying "no one knows" what happened to Jariel, then were quickly proven wrong. Why not just say “I didn’t know what I was talking about” and move on?

What you originally meant to say, or should have said, is you don't know, Mercenary, just like you don't have the faintest idea who talks to who outside of the forum or who has met who outside of the forum. There are other members here who have left or been away a long time, similar to Jariel, who I speak to regularly and we know a great deal about each other, even though they have always been very private on the forum. But you don't know that, because it has nothing to do with you. No one owes anyone any explanation, and no one else should be or is required to share those things in order to satisfy some silly Internet Vetting Inquisition.

As I understand it, a fair number of members have met you Mercenary, so I guess you would be considered "vetted" by some. Yet, you are not convinced that Earth is round, you believe that masturbation summons demons, you think a girl seeing a gynecologist means you have been cucked, and you believe that perhaps North Korea is actually a paradise. Nothing wrong with having those thoughts, of course, but I think most would acknowledge that could be considered some real odd ball shit. (This is just an example Merc- a number of members could be used for this example)

Point is, what purpose exactly has the "vetting" served in such a case? To simply verify that one is a human male who can keep it together over a beer for a few hours? Because clearly in some cases that's all the "vetting" amounts to. It often has little or no connection to the value one has provided to other men on the forum (or elsewhere), or the dude's character. A rep alone stating "Met, had a beer, cool dude" is not really a useful piece of information to others at all really. It's one metric, one which may or may not matter. Reading a dozen posts can sometimes give you a better idea than that. Rawmeo met members as well, and he was an obvious loser who also turned out to be a life-destroying criminal. One could go on.

Tuthmosis had a good take on this issue:

Tuthmosis Wrote:

… This is partly why I've always said this "I've met the guy in person" metric--which has gained speed in the last couple of years as the height of vetting processes--has proven to have major flaws. McQ and a certain other member, who was at the center of one of the forum's greatest dramas, are just some prominent data points who were repeatedly vouched for by members, yet proved to be con artists, stalkers, or odd-ball cocksuckers.

Tuthmosis Wrote:

Meeting other members is one of a few metrics one can use to "vet" members. What we don't want is a climate where people start looking askance at every guy who hasn't met 10 different members.

To be clear: There are few things greater in life than tangible friendships. I have said this here before. I've even preached about the importance of treating this place like a real life Men's Club, whether one has met other member or not. So I am not - and would not ever - diminish the value of meeting a member.

Saying that, though, meeting another member in person is in no way required in order to provide great value here, nor is it required to form very sweet, enjoyable and worthwhile friendships, should one either not want to meet or not be able to.

We have all kinds of dudes here. Some are party animals popping X, injecting 950mg of T in their butthole, drinking more in one week than I have in 5 years, and will quit their job to go backpacking for two weeks. Others are sitting in a C Suite when they post here, then drive home in their S Class to their wife of 10 years and kids. Still others are solitary dudes who like sitting in a local cafe with a book or laptop plotting the
Anal-ization of that curly haired half latina barista over there. Some are a mix of all or part of these. Not all of these personalities and lives are conducive to meeting up for the sake of it, and certainly not just to satisfy the requirements of some self appointed vetting authority.

On the forum, as in life, people will naturally gravitate towards others who are of like mind or interest. Sometimes those people are in the same city, sometimes - probably usually - they are hundreds or thousands of miles away. They may meet when circumstances align, or they may not ever. But most still value these connections regardless. I know I do.

[Going strong]

(12-12-2017 03:51 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

you believe that masturbation summons demons,

You mean, we'll end up into the first malebolge of Dante's 8th Circle? And here I was, thinking masturbation and other solitary pleasures would only lead us to the meek, muddy 3rd Circle... I'll stop that shit at once, then!

[Avon Barksdale]

Damn TK just dropped a nuke.

Let that chopper fly!!!

[HankMoody]

Now we're totally off topic, but Philly is a fantastic city for gaming.

It's cheap to live here, there are tons of single girls (because there are like a billion colleges), and you can access the entire place via bike if you want.

MikeC stayed at my place for awhile, and basically said "this is a city where you can live the RooshV lifestyle."

I'll host a meetup at some point.

[Suits]

(12-12-2017 08:36 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I'll host a meetup at some point.

You're missing the point. The vast majority of forum "meet-ups" are just two guys grabbing a beer. There's no hosting, there's no formality and there's no thoughtful meditation about the perfect time to do so.

We just go and do it. You just PM someone who lives in the area you do or a city you plan to visit soon. Handle arrangements like any adult arranging to meet another person for the first time.

It's not complicated. You don't have to do it at some point like it's some optional cosmetic dental work. Just shoot off a PM tonight to a couple guys in the NY crew.

Stop talking about meeting some forum members someday and just go meet some forum members. One-on-one to start, just two guys having a beer.

[Vill@in]

(12-12-2017 03:51 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

you believe that masturbation summons demons

I have fucked some demons when I should have just masturbated.

Does that count?

[Mercenary]

(12-12-2017 12:39 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I wonder if Merc gave NASA Test Pilot a rep point as well.

I never repped NASA test pilot.

In fact, I was one of the very first people to publicly support you when you called NTP out for inconsistencies in May 2016 and I actively helped with that cause with many posts for the entire length that it occured. You will find many of my posts here and here.

(12-12-2017 12:39 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Comparing either one of these guys to GManifesto is laughable and pretty autistic and robotic to be honest (@Merc).

Meeting people in person helps form stronger bonds between men. Trust is established more deeply if you have shared experiences. Respect for one another follows that.

My major issue with jariel is that he would resort to using personal insults with RVF members he did not like and/or that disagreed with him. A simple example of that is this thread where vetted and respected memeber General Stalin raised some valid criticisms of one of his real talk threads. Stalin stuck to the topic at hand..but jariel just wound up attacking him on a personal level in his reply. There are better ways to respond to disagreements.

I think if jariel had met the men he didn't like or disagreed with, he would have argued with them in a different (more constructive) way.

[HankMoody]

Oh God this is female drama.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(12-12-2017 03:51 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

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Excellent post



And to add on. I use to be extremely gung ho about meet ups and meeting as many good people off the forum as I could. I ended up extremely disappointed as length of term on the forum and the expectations that one would hold of someone coming from this place led to disappointments towards people I gave a shot too.

Hell I'm even responsible for a certain person I should not have given his first rep(and meet up rep more importantly) running around the travel forum meeting guys as we speak.

I removed his rep thankfully, but I hadn't scrutinized his behavior as closely as I should have and only took action later after his heavy lying both to my face and sending things to my phone(my spare line thankfully) that had to result in me even blocking his number. I promptly told as many people that I had a line too to avoid him completely.

There's another member here who has also met a fair amount of guys, but there's a reason he has no reps for meeting up even after being on the forum for longer than I have.

Reading someone's posts is much more aggregate of whether a person's worth meeting up with. The "vetted" part just means it's just easier to get a line to them and that they're guaranteed to be worth your time.

But nonetheless you have to vet carefully and you can't take any chances. It's liable you could lose your livelihoods in a second. Especially in the cultural climate we live in.

[HankMoody]

(12-12-2017 09:36 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:36 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I'll host a meetup at some point.

You're missing the point. The vast majority of forum "meet-ups" are just two guys grabbing a beer. There's no hosting, there's no formality and there's no thoughtful meditation about the perfect time to do so.

We just go and do it. You just PM someone who lives in the area you do or a city you plan to visit soon. Handle arrangements like any adult arranging to meet another person for the first time.

It's not complicated. You don't have to do it at some point like it's some optional cosmetic dental work. Just shoot off a PM tonight to a couple guys in the NY crew.

Stop talking about meeting some forum members someday and just go meet some forum members. One-on-one to start, just two guys having a beer.

I'm sort of keeping it low key this month.

I did a Trump meet up with MikeCF last month, and antifa actually tried to find us.

Yes, I know this sounds like a made up post...

Mike had to post a bunch of fake locations online.

The meet up itself was great. About 20 dudes just having drinks. No one in the bar had any idea what we were doing.

I'd like to try and get that group going more regularly, plus any RVFers.

[eradicator]

(12-13-2017 09:30 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:36 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:36 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I'll host a meetup at some point.

You're missing the point. The vast majority of forum "meet-ups" are just two guys grabbing a beer. There's no hosting, there's no formality and there's no thoughtful meditation about the perfect time to do so.

We just go and do it. You just PM someone who lives in the area you do or a city you plan to visit soon. Handle arrangements like any adult arranging to meet another person for the first time.

It's not complicated. You don't have to do it at some point like it's some optional cosmetic dental work. Just shoot off a PM tonight to a couple guys in the NY crew.

Stop talking about meeting some forum members someday and just go meet some forum members. One-on-one to start, just two guys having a beer.

I'm sort of keeping it low key this month.

I did a Trump meet up with MikeCF last month, and antifa actually tried to find us.

Yes, I know this sounds like a made up post...

Mike had to post a bunch of fake locations online.

The meet up itself was great. About 20 dudes just having drinks. No one in the bar had any idea what we were doing.

I'd like to try and get that group going more regularly, plus any RVFers.

What city? Philly?

Apparently a lot of guys in nyc meet up, I've only met one so far, but can change that next year.

[HankMoody]

(12-13-2017 11:16 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:30 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 09:36 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 08:36 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I'll host a meetup at some point.

You're missing the point. The vast majority of forum "meet-ups" are just two guys grabbing a beer. There's no hosting, there's no formality and there's no thoughtful meditation about the perfect time to do so.

We just go and do it. You just PM someone who lives in the area you do or a city you plan to visit soon. Handle arrangements like any adult arranging to meet another person for the first time.

It's not complicated. You don't have to do it at some point like it's some optional cosmetic dental work. Just shoot off a PM tonight to a couple guys in the NY crew.

Stop talking about meeting some forum members someday and just go meet some forum members. One-on-one to start, just two guys having a beer.

I'm sort of keeping it low key this month.

I did a Trump meet up with MikeCF last month, and antifa actually tried to find us.

Yes, I know this sounds like a made up post...

Mike had to post a bunch of fake locations online.

The meet up itself was great. About 20 dudes just having drinks. No one in the bar had any idea what we were doing.

I'd like to try and get that group going more regularly, plus any RVFers.

What city? Philly?

Apparently a lot of guys in nyc meet up, I've only met one so far, but can change that next year.

Philly.

I'd post the name of the restaurant but I don't want the SJWs stalking it.

We went to a good place that can host a decent amount of people while still being low key.

Yes, I recognize that is an amorphous post, but I would do the meetup at the same place again.

I'm trying to put the same group back together.

What really made my night is how well adjusted and cool everyone was. I brought a semi-liberal chick with me, and even she had a good time.

[Suits]

(12-13-2017 11:27 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I brought a semi-liberal chick with me, and even she had a good time.

You brought a girl to a meet-up?

[HankMoody]

(12-13-2017 11:37 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:27 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I brought a semi-liberal chick with me, and even she had a good time.

You brought a girl to a meet-up?

Multi-tasking.

[Sidney Crosby]

Someone tell WIA to start posting again, besides in that one thread about black guy game.

[Fortis]

I mean, I suspect the forum's heavy right-wing tilt has probably had a lot to do with many members (white and non-white) disappearing as of late. As a reasonably tight forum, we like to think we can have our cake and eat it too, but some guys are just not really down for a lot of what is said on this forum. Can't be helped.

[Ringo]

If you can't grasp, based on reading his posts, that jariel has had a ton of first hand experience and knows game, you are either a complete newbie or just straight up helpless.

Is it a shame that he wouldn't meet up with people? Yeah, I guess. But how much of meeting up is morbid curiosity and how much is actual life enhancement? As others have mentioned, some people here are a waste of time (I've met 2 or 3 of those myself).

He probably had his reasons. He still left a bunch of excellent A+ posts on this forum which have helped me (and I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands of others) tremendously. Which is more than 95%+ of RVF members have ever done.

Also, unlike characters like The G Man - who boozes, smokes and "swoops" girls until 7am before hopping on a time machine and surfing before sunrise -, I'm not aware of any absurd claims made by jariel. If anyone's seen one, I'll be happy to take that back.

Either way he has definitely benefited this community greatly and in a permanent way - The Only Rule For Ex's, The Real Talk series and many others should be mandatory read for anyone on this side of the web.

I don't know anything about him other that what everyone else can gather from this thread and his other contributions, but whatever he's doing I wish him all the best.

[Repo]

Hey Hank, I live near Philly, agree it's a great city. I'd be down to grab a beer sometime on a weekday evening, especially if any other Philly members join in. I've yet to meet anyone myself.

[HankMoody]

(12-14-2017 05:01 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Hey Hank, I live near Philly, agree it's a great city. I'd be down to grab a beer sometime on a weekday evening, especially if any other Philly members join in. I've yet to meet anyone myself.

I'll do a meet up. I'm in Fishtown.

The Trump meet up group was real good.

[Chicopicante]

I think Jariel was Lebron James. Possibly another Miami area pro athlete. Seriously.

I really miss him, every post of his I ever read I learned something from. He was clearly a really accomplished and wise dude. I hope he knows how much he's helped many of us.

His posts will last for many years, as long as this forum does, for future guys to learn from and refer to.

[Moma]

(12-14-2017 03:18 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

Someone tell WIA to start posting again, besides in that one thread about black guy game.

Don't you read that thread?