Quote: (11-01-2017 03:52 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:
Quote: (11-01-2017 11:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:
Did Jesus, the Apostle Paul, Socrates, Plato, Descartes, the leader of the First Crusade (never married), Newton, Hume, Kant, and about 10 thousand other bachelors who built the west go extinct?
How about the millions of soldiers whom have died with no children over the past 2000 years, did they go extinct?
Or are they not living on through you and millions of their other children?
They're all dead. Family lines gone. Extinct. One could argue that part of the reason why Europe is in it's current predicament is because of the dysgenic effect of the World Wars on the male populations, killing off generations of masculine, moral, good men twice over.
They aren't dead, the people they preached to have carried on their name and legacy for them. How are they dead if people are still learning their ideas 2000 years later?
As for the World Wars being dysgenic - perhaps, but also not. The post-WW2 baby boom was the largest single increase of White babies in all of recorded history. It didn't impact the White population at all, even if a lot of White males got murdered.
And yet, despite the massive increase in population, because the baby boomers weren't raised right
none of it mattered. They did not grow into Christians and ended up destroying their host societies. 50 years later with mass immigration, record debts, negative birth rates, and a spiritually dead culture, we are reaping the results of "the greatest generation."
Lots of babies with no morals will always have the same result as the fucked up baby boomers. That's why having babies isn't the most important thing. The environment is much more important.
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I understand exactly the point you're making - you can live on through your ideas and contributions to society. Hell, a version of my life's dream when I was younger was to live forever through the memory of men - literally to be taught in schools in textbooks.
Ultimately, the future belongs to those who show up. Boots on the ground.
Nothing lasts without a proper foundation. The simple fact of history proves it: all we have is around 2500 years of recorded history because the other 1 million+ years never survived all the wars and destruction. The only history we have comes from our Christian ancestors. What has made everything we have possible is Christ, and nothing but Christ, and without that foundation having children means nothing.
The true test is the test of time. Boots on the ground mean nothing to father time (God).
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Quote: (11-01-2017 11:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:
The idea that men having kids is necessary is simply anti-Christian. There is a reason both Jesus and the apostle Paul writes so highly of the ascetic life. Any moron can fuck a bitch and have kids, anyone can reproduce like an animal. But creating the world where kids are raised right is 1000000000000000x more important and difficult to do.
Our civilization would have never reached the heights it has if it weren't for men who understood that children are secondary to truth and righteousness. Look at Africa - they are great at reproducing! Boy oh boy such manliness! But until Christian technology came to them, their population was miniscule because none of those kids survived or grew up into anything worth a damn.
Who's telling you that men should just find a fertile women, dump a load of childen in her, and call it a day? I'm certainly not. I'm certainly not saying we follow Africa's example. Are you insinuating this forum is full of morons? Just a bunch of animals?
The point of my counter-example was to show that merely having children isn't enough. It's not the most important thing by a long shot.
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You can create a world where your children are raised right - the family you create. Assuming you don't leave your children to be raised by nannies, trannies, public school, and the state.
Good luck fighting a war by yourself. I'm sure all the other fathers who failed just weren't doing it right, but somehow the next man (yourself included) will be different.
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I imagine you're bringing Christianity in this discussion, despite me not mentioning it, because you hold Christianity responsible for the rise of the West and its greatness. I might actually agree with you here. But just like I'm not beating you over the head with the textbook definition of extinct, you don't need to beat me over the head with repeated doses of the same argument as if I were a petulant 14 year old girl with a hearing problem.
No need to be offended, it's called a counter-example. You asked if it would be extinction, and I provided many counter-examples with rhetorical flourish to answer your objection.
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