Quote: (10-29-2017 11:54 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

She is a teenager, and by definition stupid. Smart teens are the exception not the rule, I would cut her some slack....

I would also cut her some slack because she seems to like her dad and family. She's not some self-hating 200lb feminist bitch with a purple skrillex that's screaming about the patriarchy and hating on her family.

Ironically, she ended up doing more damage to her family because of this...

Her YouTube channel is a sea of red flags and narcissism, boyfriend/fiance needs to run fast and hard away from this cow.

I am unsure whats more dumber....the video or the fact that this vanity plate is something Apple should build confidence over.

Quote: (10-29-2017 09:52 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

It's unfathomable to me that people make videos like that. The narcissism is completely off the charts. You video your entire (mundane) day and then carefully edit it and set it to music and put it on YouTube? It's obvious from the style of the video that she thinks herself the star of her own reality television show. It's just bizarre. What is wrong with these people? How much attention-whoring can people possibly engage in without any self-reflection whatsoever?

Social media honestly might be the most destructive force currently at play in the West. Which is really saying something. But it's unbelievable how quickly and readily social media corrupts young people (especially women) and turns them into narcissistic, attention-whoring drones who literally have no concept of a true identity. When you are constantly anxious about what others think about you, it's impossible to build real self-esteem (hence the constant push to preserve peoples' sensitive feelings), the only thing that matters is how you appear to other people. Everything is facade. There's no inner reality, no sense of being a person independent of the judgment of one's peers. These people don't actually exist in the normal human manner. Rather, they inhabit a pseudo-reality created in their mind based entirely on the perceptions of those who view them. They become disconnected from engaging in the real world and living in the present moment, and their focus shifts to carefully curating a social media image that exists independent of their actual reality. In other words, social media is literally making people insane.

I believe this sort of thing is called "vlogging". Casey Neistat popularised this style and it seems a lot of people copied/imitated the style. Also seems really big in California. I am subscribed to a few of those channels.

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Quote: (10-29-2017 08:47 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Hmmm.

Skynet won't need to assault the world.
The proles will willingly line up around the block to be plugged into the matrix...

Who needs Alien Vs Predator when you've got Terminator Vs. The Matrix?

What's the point of spending decades becoming a successful man and raising a child if they turn out to be as disgusting as this daughter? Where is the incentive? This is how we know our civilization is doomed. It is as bad as the Louis XIV aristocracy, or any other decadent time. Amazing how at the heights of greatness, human societies somehow lose the reason to perpetuate themselves.

I think a lot of people, when looking at the collapse of birth rates, miss the biggest picture. The point isn't to have kids, the point is to have a world where you will be proud of what your kids become. If this means not having kids until such a world is created, so be it. At least you can say you did your Neighborly duty for the next man.

WNB, not sure I could even hold a conversation with her. I truly wonder if raising a child to grow up to be as broken as this girl would be a fate worse than death.

Ok, I watched the whole original video.

At the end of it, as she signs off from her vlog, they are driving away from the Apple campus, with her, and her mom in the front seat...

and the dad riding in the back.

Yep, in a car her dad bought, that sums it all.

Everyone involved in this story is rotten to the core.

The girl is obviously a sick narcissist: what kind of self-obsessed loser films their day-to-day life, then edits it and throws it up on YouTube? She's the embodiment of the Kali-Yuga: a mindless, thoughtless, emotionless creature who lives only to consume that which other people labor to shove in front of her fat face. She's Marie Antoinette with vocal fry.

On the other hand, if there's something wrong with the bitch, there'll be something wrong with the pup. It's clear this broad's black hole of a personality was fostered by her parents' constant indulgences: they spoiled her rotten and never once told her "no." This moron father couldn't even keep his precious princess from publicly producing evidence that he was violating his contract of employment.

I'm reminded of the documentary Hot Girls Wanted, about how the modern porn industry is fueled by "average" girls who answer Craigslist modeling ads and think having sex on camera is easy and glamorous. Filming the parents in that documentary was the most disturbing part: not one of them had the spine to tell their whore daughters off. If my little sisters ever participated in porn, my parents would cut them off without a second thought. But in one case in that movie, one of the porn star's mothers, a fat, vacant-eyed sow, wouldn't even kick her slut daughter out of the house. Why? Where's the discipline?

Answer: white people are soft, weak, hedonistic pieces of shit who can't deal with reality. Whenever we have problems, we either run away or stick our heads in the sand. Daughter screaming and crying? Buy her some toy so she'll shut up. Neighborhood being invaded by ghetto dwellers? Move to the suburbs and claim you did it because of the "schools." Birthrate falling to the point where Social Security is under threat? Import tons of third-worlders in the vain hope they'll get jobs. And it's not a recent phenomenon either: jokes about Catholic priests molesting boys came about because generations of cowardly white parents shipped their fruity sons off to seminary schools rather than deal with the fact that they raised a queer.

The inability of white parents to tell their daughters "no" is why our grandchildren will be speaking Arabic, Spanish, or Chinese in a hundred years.

Quote: (10-29-2017 07:35 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

Everyone involved in this story is rotten to the core.

The girl is obviously a sick narcissist: what kind of self-obsessed loser films their day-to-day life, then edits it and throws it up on YouTube? She's the embodiment of the Kali-Yuga: a mindless, thoughtless, emotionless creature who lives only to consume that which other people labor to shove in front of her fat face. She's Marie Antoinette with vocal fry.

On the other hand, if there's something wrong with the bitch, there'll be something wrong with the pup. It's clear this broad's black hole of a personality was fostered by her parents' constant indulgences: they spoiled her rotten and never once told her "no." This moron father couldn't even keep his precious princess from publicly producing evidence that he was violating his contract of employment.

I'm reminded of the documentary Hot Girls Wanted, about how the modern porn industry is fueled by "average" girls who answer Craigslist modeling ads and think having sex on camera is easy and glamorous. Filming the parents in that documentary was the most disturbing part: not one of them had the spine to tell their whore daughters off. If my little sisters ever participated in porn, my parents would cut them off without a second thought. But in one case in that movie, one of the porn star's mothers, a fat, vacant-eyed sow, wouldn't even kick her slut daughter out of the house. Why? Where's the discipline?

Answer: white people are soft, weak, hedonistic pieces of shit who can't deal with reality. Whenever we have problems, we either run away or stick our heads in the sand. Daughter screaming and crying? Buy her some toy so she'll shut up. Neighborhood being invaded by ghetto dwellers? Move to the suburbs and claim you did it because of the "schools." Birthrate falling to the point where Social Security is under threat? Import tons of third-worlders in the vain hope they'll get jobs. And it's not a recent phenomenon either: jokes about Catholic priests molesting boys came about because generations of cowardly white parents shipped their fruity sons off to seminary schools rather than deal with the fact that they raised a queer.

The inability of white parents to tell their daughters "no" is why our grandchildren will be speaking Arabic, Spanish, or Chinese in a hundred years.

Mine will be speaking Russian before that happens.

Quote: (10-29-2017 07:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

What's the point of spending decades becoming a successful man and raising a child if they turn out to be as disgusting as this daughter? Where is the incentive? This is how we know our civilization is doomed. It is as bad as the Louis XIV aristocracy, or any other decadent time. Amazing how at the heights of greatness, human societies somehow lose the reason to perpetuate themselves.

I think a lot of people, when looking at the collapse of birth rates, miss the biggest picture. The point isn't to have kids, the point is to have a world where you will be proud of what your kids become. If this means not having kids until such a world is created, so be it. At least you can say you did your Neighborly duty for the next man.

WNB, not sure I could even hold a conversation with her. I truly wonder if raising a child to grow up to be as broken as this girl would be a fate worse than death.

Cart before horse in every paragraph.

You have premised your entire argument here on the idea that the responsibility of a man is to sire children and "be successful" and beyond that it's society's job to reward him for playing his part.

Again...

Quote: (10-29-2017 07:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

What's the point of spending decades becoming a successful man and raising a child if they turn out to be as disgusting as this daughter? Where is the incentive? (Raise your kids properly and stay poor if that's what it takes.) This is how we know our civilization is doomed. It is as bad as the Louis XIV aristocracy, or any other decadent time. Amazing how at the heights of greatness, human societies somehow lose the reason to perpetuate themselves.

I think a lot of people, when looking at the collapse of birth rates, miss the biggest picture. The point isn't to have kids, the point is to have a world where you will be proud of what your kids become. (No, the point is to have kids and raise them properly. "The world" isn't producing the end product unless the parents take their hands off of the wheel.) If this means not having kids until such a world is created(WTF?), so be it. At least you can say you did your Neighborly duty for the next man.(Extinction for the West as an act of protest/benevolence. How noble.)

WNB, not sure I could even hold a conversation with her. I truly wonder if raising a child to grow up to be as broken as this girl would be a fate worse than death.(Said child was not raised. It simply grew wild by itself. THAT is the problem.)

News stories like this one are a real winner for MGTOW types to whip up excuses to worship money and the cunt-carousel.

There is one allowance that has to be made for the girl in this case, which is that narcissism is to be expected in teenagers. It is a normal part of development of the personality, one that under normal developmental conditions fades and disappears as the person hits their twenties, their brain fully forms, and they start to realise that other people have fully formed lives that do not intersect with theirs.

The first problem is that the System has essentially programmed adolescence to continue indefinitely. At the present moment it appears to be continuing on to the late thirties if not late forties. The main reason for this is because adolescents tend to be the biggest consumers: narcissism is marked by making yourself a brand, one that other people perpetuate, and the fastest way to become a brand is to use lots of pre-made brands to label yourself.

Second problem is that in addition to mass narcissism, we also have an epidemic -- exemplified in both not objecting when one's daughter decides to become a porn star down to permitting her unrestricted access to an iPhone at the risk of one's job -- of parental insecurity. Handing over once more to the Last Psychiatrist:

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Question: what kind of a person reads parenting books? I'm not being critical, I'm asking. Do the readers feel they are failing and need some advice? Or are they just looking to hate someone and are willing to pay $23.95 for the ammunition? I can see that someone might see the book and say, "hmm, I'd like my child to get into Peking University, let's see what he has to say," but that thinking betrays a cognitive error that both makes these books useless to you and is the reason you need such books: you don't think there's anything wrong with your parenting, you think you just need some helpful tricks.

Hence the popular parenting books/blogs aren't for special populations like Raising The Autistic Child or My Kid Saw A Gorgon, What Now? These are ordinary kids being raised by parents who are worried about what shows are appropriate for kids, but not about the commercials. "What? He's 7. It's not like he's actually going to go buy an Acura." You've failed.

"Good" parenting, apparently, is trying techniques on your kid that were never used on you, even though you still turned out just fine. "I think TV is bad, I won't let my kids watch it." Outstanding. But how do you explain how you watched 5 hours of TV a day for thirteen years straight and still turned out ok? Think it over for a moment. You'll never admit the answer: because you're different. You succeeded despite the TV.

But look around: everyone you know over 30 also did fine despite the TV, no lawyer ever says, "Your Honor, my client saw every episode of Bosom Buddies and McHale's Navy, I move for dismissal." Which is why I am telling you: TV is bad for the kid, but that thinking is much worse.

So too: sugary cereals, bullying, Playboys. None of those things are good for kids, I am not saying to expose your kids to them. But thinking that they will be worse for your kids than they were for you is the fundamental, narcissistic error of parenting. "My kids are weaker than me." Then humanity is doomed.

I know many white doctors who have their kids in Mandarin classes. Did that help them become doctors? "I want them to be able to compete." With whom? Mandarins? Seriously, what world do you envision in which Mandarin is the deciding talent, except working in Mandaria? Which is great if that's what they want to do, great if the kid is interested, but otherwise is this really how you're plotting excellence? "It also teaches you to think logically." So does actual logic. "It looks good on a college application." Everyone hates you.

Parental insecurity, in its acting-out form known as "Helicopter Parenting", has a lot in common with Greek tragedy. Narcissus's parents were given the prophecy "He will live a long life, if he never knows himself." As a result they smashed every mirror in their house so he could never see himself ... never know himself. And the Greek tragedy played out: when Narcissus caught a reflection of himself in the pool, he had never been given any chance to build resilience against that event, and therefore fell into precisely the trap his parents had spent a lifetime trying to avoid.

Same thing with helicopter parents: when they hover over their kids, they project their own insecurity, their fear that the kid won't cope with the world. And like clockwork, for precisely that reason, the kid doesn't.

Helicopter parenting also lingers on to late teens and early twenties. Also see: why a solid swathe of college graduates wind up moving back home and waiting for the perfect job to come along rather than take some risks and start their own businesses.

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(Raise your kids properly and stay poor if that's what it takes.)

Good luck keeping the wife with that strat, bro.

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(No, the point is to have kids and raise them properly. "The world" isn't producing the end product unless the parents take their hands off of the wheel.)

If you think most men can raise children against all negative influences and have a successful career then I'm afraid you're just ignoring painful reality. If you are at work then you are not watching over the kids. Realistically you need to have a wife who does this, but we all know that 80% of women are herd animals who blindly obey the signals they receive. So if you're in a toxic social environment (which constitutes most of the West) then the chance of rearing good children is very low.

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(Extinction for the West as an act of protest/benevolence. How noble.)

Extinction is your path. You seem to think that as long as your tiny little plot of land is maintained, you don't need to worry about anyone else. It's so incredibly shortsighted. Haven't you noticed how fucked up politics in Aussie land is becoming? Only going to get worse mate, because instead of helping your Neighbor you're standing there with your nose held nigh shunning their failures to navigate a destroyed culture.

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(Said child was not raised. It simply grew wild by itself. THAT is the problem.)

Nonsense, these "wild" girls are dime a dozen in the liberal affluent areas of the West. Common as dirt.

Quote: (10-29-2017 07:06 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

At the end of it, as she signs off from her vlog, they are driving away from the Apple campus, with her, and her mom in the front seat...

and the dad riding in the back.

Beta husbands are a disgrace. Beta fathers are a menace.

First, a detail from the Verge article which hasn't been mentioned:

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The video itself may have seemed like an innocent hands-on, but it did include footage of an iPhone X with special employee-only QR codes. A notes app was also shown on the iPhone X in the video, which appeared to include codenames of unreleased Apple products.

That's pretty egregious. The fact that Dad was there as the daughter was filming (obviously for her vlog) makes him entirely culpable in my opinion.

Now, back to Beta Dads . . . There is an epidemic today of weak, nice-guy fathers who are not only complete doormats to their wives, they are downright petrified of their daughters. Specifically they are terrified of ever telling her "no," or doing or saying anything that could be construed as not fully and unconditionally "supporting" her.

These are the fathers who tell their daughters: "You can be ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE, honey! You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO IN LIFE!" (No one tells boys this; the idea is too ludicrous.) These men are so "supportive" of their daughters, they forget that one of the central jobs of a parent is to set boundaries, enforce rules & limitations, and give much-needed adult guidance.

As bad as the image of the father riding in the back of the car is, the earlier part with the mom & daughter shopping is even worse, in my opinion. Two materialistic whores, extra average as hell, running up daddy's credit card while he's at the office working to pay for their junk. They actually complain at one point that the line was too long at one of the upscale stores they visited, so they left.

This father is the definition of a beta: A sucker who has no idea the extent to which he is being used & exploited. His daughter does not love him or respect him; that much is obvious from the second video. How much to you want to bet that Mommy likewise sees this chump as little more than a meal ticket?

And with Daddy now fired from his job, one wonders if Mommy will stick around, or search for greener pastures.....

Quote: (10-29-2017 10:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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(Raise your kids properly and stay poor if that's what it takes.)

Good luck keeping the wife with that strat, bro.

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(No, the point is to have kids and raise them properly. "The world" isn't producing the end product unless the parents take their hands off of the wheel.)

If you think most men can raise children against all negative influences and have a successful career then I'm afraid you're just ignoring painful reality. If you are at work then you are not watching over the kids. Realistically you need to have a wife who does this, but we all know that 80% of women are herd animals who blindly obey the signals they receive. So if you're in a toxic social environment (which constitutes most of the West) then the chance of rearing good children is very low.

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(Extinction for the West as an act of protest/benevolence. How noble.)

Extinction is your path. You seem to think that as long as your tiny little plot of land is maintained, you don't need to worry about anyone else. It's so incredibly shortsighted. Haven't you noticed how fucked up politics in Aussie land is becoming? Only going to get worse mate, because instead of helping your Neighbor you're standing there with your nose held nigh shunning their failures to navigate a destroyed culture.

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(Said child was not raised. It simply grew wild by itself. THAT is the problem.)

Nonsense, these "wild" girls are dime a dozen in the liberal affluent areas of the West. Common as dirt.

My plan of "raise a traditional family in the sticks" beats your plan of "complain, complain and complain."

Hell, I could do both if I wanted but I'm finding the latter to be a testosterone sink.

Thanks for the compliment, though. Apparently I'm daily doing the impossible. What a true boss I am, and I never knew!

But look on the bright side. If Trump wins 20 terms and lives to the ripe old age of 160 then you'll be able to start that family in a perfect America shortly after your hundredth birthday.

Or I can phrase this argument another way. How about our sons carry on the debate in 50 years? How about our grandsons?

I like how around the 2:30 mark in the first video the dad mentions that they will be moving to the new Apple headquarters in December. They will be. But you won't hahaha.

Quote: (10-30-2017 06:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

My plan of "raise a traditional family in the sticks" beats your plan of "complain, complain and complain."

Hell, I could do both if I wanted but I'm finding the latter to be a testosterone sink.

I have no dog in this fight and actually agree with both of you to a certain extent.

I do want to highlight that you assume things that may or may not be true.

In Samseau's case, I think your assumption is wrong. He has spent a lot of his time helping Trump get elected. He isn't just sitting on a forum complaining. He is doing what he believes to be right for all of society.

His point was hiding in the bush to raise your kids won't help cure what ails our society nor will it be enough to stop negative influences. He is right.

Either you believe women are like water or not. If they are, no matter how much parenting you do will have minimal effect if our society is poisonous and they decide to move to the big city. I happen to think that both young men and women are impressionable and our college systems are set up to take advantage of that.

I agree with your point that guys shouldn't give up if they want to have kids and a family. Make it work to the best of your abilities.

Quote: (10-29-2017 07:06 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

Ok, I watched the whole original video.

At the end of it, as she signs off from her vlog, they are driving away from the Apple campus, with her, and her mom in the front seat...

and the dad riding in the back.

I must be a grammar Nazi to the core. I am mostly mad because everything is being referred to as a *campus* these days.

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Quote: (10-29-2017 07:06 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

Ok, I watched the whole original video.

At the end of it, as she signs off from her vlog, they are driving away from the Apple campus, with her, and her mom in the front seat...

and the dad riding in the back.

I must be a grammar Nazi to the core. I am mostly mad because everything is being referred to as a *campus* these days.

I think that this is a normal way to refer to it here on the RooshV Campus

Quote: (10-29-2017 10:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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(Extinction for the West as an act of protest/benevolence. How noble.)

Extinction is your path. You seem to think that as long as your tiny little plot of land is maintained, you don't need to worry about anyone else. It's so incredibly shortsighted. Haven't you noticed how fucked up politics in Aussie land is becoming? Only going to get worse mate, because instead of helping your Neighbor you're standing there with your nose held nigh shunning their failures to navigate a destroyed culture.

Uh, if you don't have any children, is extinction not your path also?

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Quote: (10-30-2017 01:14 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-29-2017 10:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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(Extinction for the West as an act of protest/benevolence. How noble.)

Extinction is your path. You seem to think that as long as your tiny little plot of land is maintained, you don't need to worry about anyone else. It's so incredibly shortsighted. Haven't you noticed how fucked up politics in Aussie land is becoming? Only going to get worse mate, because instead of helping your Neighbor you're standing there with your nose held nigh shunning their failures to navigate a destroyed culture.

Uh, if you don't have any children, is extinction not your path also?

G

I think a number of people here are operating on the assumption that if serious political change isn't achieved then all whites are going to rounded up and genocided in an orderly manner down to the last rural redneck baby.

Also, we are apparently required to attempt to reverse this while being completely racially sensitive and also tip-toeing around (((other certain issues))), not to mention adhering strictly to Christian codes-of-concuck err conduct.

In other words "I demand you participate, I demand you adopt my strategy, I demand you tie both hands behind your back while doing it, and if you refuse then you're part of the problem!"

Yeah, good luck with that.

So this is the greatest "moronic woman attention fishing" case ?
Once more, apple PR engineered the greatest marketing ploy to make applefags go crazy and this could not have come at a better time especially after all the turmoil generated by the exploding iphones 8.

This one might be ranked #1 way before the pretended iphone prototype lost in a bar back in 2010-11
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ap...n-bar.html
https://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-4g-prot...bar-floor/

Quote: (10-30-2017 01:14 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-29-2017 10:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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(Extinction for the West as an act of protest/benevolence. How noble.)

Extinction is your path. You seem to think that as long as your tiny little plot of land is maintained, you don't need to worry about anyone else. It's so incredibly shortsighted. Haven't you noticed how fucked up politics in Aussie land is becoming? Only going to get worse mate, because instead of helping your Neighbor you're standing there with your nose held nigh shunning their failures to navigate a destroyed culture.

Uh, if you don't have any children, is extinction not your path also?

G

Did Jesus, the Apostle Paul, Socrates, Plato, Descartes, the leader of the First Crusade (never married), Newton, Hume, Kant, and about 10 thousand other bachelors who built the west go extinct?

How about the millions of soldiers whom have died with no children over the past 2000 years, did they go extinct?

Or are they not living on through you and millions of their other children?

The idea that men having kids is necessary is simply anti-Christian. There is a reason both Jesus and the apostle Paul writes so highly of the ascetic life. Any moron can fuck a bitch and have kids, anyone can reproduce like an animal. But creating the world where kids are raised right is 1000000000000000x more important and difficult to do.

Our civilization would have never reached the heights it has if it weren't for men who understood that children are secondary to truth and righteousness. Look at Africa - they are great at reproducing! Boy oh boy such manliness! But until Christian technology came to them, their population was miniscule because none of those kids survived or grew up into anything worth a damn.

Quote: (11-01-2017 11:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Did Jesus, the Apostle Paul, Socrates, Plato, Descartes, the leader of the First Crusade (never married), Newton, Hume, Kant, and about 10 thousand other bachelors who built the west go extinct?

How about the millions of soldiers whom have died with no children over the past 2000 years, did they go extinct?

Or are they not living on through you and millions of their other children?

They're all dead. Family lines gone. Extinct. One could argue that part of the reason why Europe is in it's current predicament is because of the dysgenic effect of the World Wars on the male populations, killing off generations of masculine, moral, good men twice over.

I understand exactly the point you're making - you can live on through your ideas and contributions to society. Hell, a version of my life's dream when I was younger was to live forever through the memory of men - literally to be taught in schools in textbooks.

Ultimately, the future belongs to those who show up. Boots on the ground.

Quote: (11-01-2017 11:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The idea that men having kids is necessary is simply anti-Christian. There is a reason both Jesus and the apostle Paul writes so highly of the ascetic life. Any moron can fuck a bitch and have kids, anyone can reproduce like an animal. But creating the world where kids are raised right is 1000000000000000x more important and difficult to do.

Our civilization would have never reached the heights it has if it weren't for men who understood that children are secondary to truth and righteousness. Look at Africa - they are great at reproducing! Boy oh boy such manliness! But until Christian technology came to them, their population was miniscule because none of those kids survived or grew up into anything worth a damn.

Who's telling you that men should just find a fertile women, dump a load of childen in her, and call it a day? I'm certainly not. I'm certainly not saying we follow Africa's example. Are you insinuating this forum is full of morons? Just a bunch of animals?

You can create a world where your children are raised right - the family you create. Assuming you don't leave your children to be raised by nannies, trannies, public school, and the state.

I imagine you're bringing Christianity in this discussion, despite me not mentioning it, because you hold Christianity responsible for the rise of the West and its greatness. I might actually agree with you here. But just like I'm not beating you over the head with the textbook definition of extinct, you don't need to beat me over the head with repeated doses of the same argument as if I were a petulant 14 year old girl with a hearing problem.

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Quote: (11-01-2017 03:52 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

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Did Jesus, the Apostle Paul, Socrates, Plato, Descartes, the leader of the First Crusade (never married), Newton, Hume, Kant, and about 10 thousand other bachelors who built the west go extinct?

How about the millions of soldiers whom have died with no children over the past 2000 years, did they go extinct?

Or are they not living on through you and millions of their other children?

They're all dead. Family lines gone. Extinct. One could argue that part of the reason why Europe is in it's current predicament is because of the dysgenic effect of the World Wars on the male populations, killing off generations of masculine, moral, good men twice over.

They aren't dead, the people they preached to have carried on their name and legacy for them. How are they dead if people are still learning their ideas 2000 years later?

As for the World Wars being dysgenic - perhaps, but also not. The post-WW2 baby boom was the largest single increase of White babies in all of recorded history. It didn't impact the White population at all, even if a lot of White males got murdered.

And yet, despite the massive increase in population, because the baby boomers weren't raised right none of it mattered. They did not grow into Christians and ended up destroying their host societies. 50 years later with mass immigration, record debts, negative birth rates, and a spiritually dead culture, we are reaping the results of "the greatest generation."

Lots of babies with no morals will always have the same result as the fucked up baby boomers. That's why having babies isn't the most important thing. The environment is much more important.

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I understand exactly the point you're making - you can live on through your ideas and contributions to society. Hell, a version of my life's dream when I was younger was to live forever through the memory of men - literally to be taught in schools in textbooks.

Ultimately, the future belongs to those who show up. Boots on the ground.

Nothing lasts without a proper foundation. The simple fact of history proves it: all we have is around 2500 years of recorded history because the other 1 million+ years never survived all the wars and destruction. The only history we have comes from our Christian ancestors. What has made everything we have possible is Christ, and nothing but Christ, and without that foundation having children means nothing.

The true test is the test of time. Boots on the ground mean nothing to father time (God).

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Quote: (11-01-2017 11:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The idea that men having kids is necessary is simply anti-Christian. There is a reason both Jesus and the apostle Paul writes so highly of the ascetic life. Any moron can fuck a bitch and have kids, anyone can reproduce like an animal. But creating the world where kids are raised right is 1000000000000000x more important and difficult to do.

Our civilization would have never reached the heights it has if it weren't for men who understood that children are secondary to truth and righteousness. Look at Africa - they are great at reproducing! Boy oh boy such manliness! But until Christian technology came to them, their population was miniscule because none of those kids survived or grew up into anything worth a damn.

Who's telling you that men should just find a fertile women, dump a load of childen in her, and call it a day? I'm certainly not. I'm certainly not saying we follow Africa's example. Are you insinuating this forum is full of morons? Just a bunch of animals?

The point of my counter-example was to show that merely having children isn't enough. It's not the most important thing by a long shot.

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You can create a world where your children are raised right - the family you create. Assuming you don't leave your children to be raised by nannies, trannies, public school, and the state.

Good luck fighting a war by yourself. I'm sure all the other fathers who failed just weren't doing it right, but somehow the next man (yourself included) will be different.

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I imagine you're bringing Christianity in this discussion, despite me not mentioning it, because you hold Christianity responsible for the rise of the West and its greatness. I might actually agree with you here. But just like I'm not beating you over the head with the textbook definition of extinct, you don't need to beat me over the head with repeated doses of the same argument as if I were a petulant 14 year old girl with a hearing problem.

No need to be offended, it's called a counter-example. You asked if it would be extinction, and I provided many counter-examples with rhetorical flourish to answer your objection.