[The Beast1]

I really don't know a lot about what's going on in Spain. Visited Barcelona years ago, thought it was pretty, and that was really the end of that.

I will say this: looking at some of the "separatists", I don't see people willing to lay down their lives for what they believe in. I see the typical leftist degenerates, making noise, all the while sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

The Spanish government can and should continue to suppress the antics there as much and as violently as possible.

[Long Haired Samson]

(10-09-2017 12:07 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I really don't know a lot about what's going on in Spain. Visited Barcelona years ago, thought it was pretty, and that was really the end of that.

I will say this: looking at some of the "separatists", I don't see people willing to lay down their lives for what they believe in. I see the typical leftist degenerates, making noise, all the while sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

The Spanish government can and should continue to suppress the antics there as much and as violently as possible.

I see that same type of leftists here in California who want to secede from the USA. The idea that Starbucks drinking, skinny jeans wearing, I-need-a-safe-space, beta boys and feminists would take up arms and go to war is hilarious.

[fokker]

^ It'd be better off for all of North America if California secedes. The AIDS risk will go down too.

[John Michael Kane]

(10-09-2017 02:41 AM)fokker Wrote:  

^ It'd be better off for all of North America if California secedes. The AIDS risk will go down too.

Please, someone, send a rescue mission first. Save me from these phaggots before you let the state drift into the Pacific Ocean.

Good grief, I can't wait to move out of here for good.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(10-09-2017 01:44 AM)Long Haired Samson Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 12:07 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I really don't know a lot about what's going on in Spain. Visited Barcelona years ago, thought it was pretty, and that was really the end of that.

I will say this: looking at some of the "separatists", I don't see people willing to lay down their lives for what they believe in. I see the typical leftist degenerates, making noise, all the while sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

The Spanish government can and should continue to suppress the antics there as much and as violently as possible.

I see that same type of leftists here in California who want to secede from the USA. The idea that Starbucks drinking, skinny jeans wearing, I-need-a-safe-space, beta boys and feminists would take up arms and go to war is hilarious.

Your Starbucks drinking, skinny jeans wearing, I-need-a-safe-space, beta boys and feminists don't need to fight you. They just need to support rampant 3rd world immigration until they can vote you into a position where you have to take up arms against the federal government, not them.

Those Starbucks drinking, skinny jeans wearing, I-need-a-safe-space, beta boys and feminists are digging your grave and the graves of your children every single day they run their sanctuary cities and pour billions upon billions of dollars into corporations that purchase DC, lock, stock and barrel. From there they hoover up your tax money, redistribute it to those Starbucks drinking, skinny jeans wearing, I-need-a-safe-space, beta boys and feminists who in turn pour it back into the corporations, all the while impoverishing middle America to the point of negative birth rates and epidemic levels of suicide.

The Starbucks drinking, skinny jeans wearing, I-need-a-safe-space, beta boys and feminists seceding from the union would be the greatest thing that ever happened to America, and you should dare them to try it, because as things stand red America is a dead man walking.

[mensch]

The Guardian has fully reversed and now is a propaganda machine for the so-called 'silenced', 'pro-unity' movement. Yesterday it had a propaganda piece as its main headline, and another 4 linked articles.
Just read through the articles that their correspondent is writing: https://www.theguardian.com/profile/stephen-burgen
The independence of Catalonia could be a harder blow on the EU than thought.

[Germanicus]

Leonard:

(10-08-2017 04:40 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Personally I'd like to see an entire feminist state fall into grinding soviet style poverty.

Canada: Hold my beer.

As soon as our real estate bubble bursts and the continued failures of the government to exploit natural resources properly due to the climate change horseshit as holy writ.

[PapayaTapper]

(10-08-2017 08:28 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:09 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

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Difference with Crimea being, 90% of the Crimeans really wanted to join the Russian Federation. On the other hand and contrarily, not even 50% of Catalan residents want to leave Spain.

If this were the case then they should call for a snap election wherein this issue was of course the major one.

If no election was forthcoming then they should absolutely resort to 'extreme' levels of protest.

Where was this majority when the ballot took place? Why were there no serious counter-protests?
The will to power trumps democracy. If the Catalan Right is too lazy and scared to stand up to the Catalan Left then they have submitted to the outcome.

The anti-separatists staged a huge rally. I think this is the beginning of the end for the separatist movements chances of success (if they ever had a real one). Oh they'll still screech and posture noisily but they don't have the overwhelming public support they claimed (and need) to pull this off.

Quote:

Hundreds of thousands of people have taken to the streets of Barcelona to protest against the Catalan government’s decision to push for independence, as Spain’s prime minister warned that he was prepared to suspend the region’s autonomy to stop it splitting from the rest of the country.
Sunday’s rally – organised by Societat Civil Catalana, the region’s main pro-unity organisation – comes a week after the independence referendum that has plunged Spain into its worst political crisis in four decades.

The march, whose slogan is “Let’s recover our common sense”, was intended to call for a new phase of dialogue with the rest of Spain and featured such luminaries as the Nobel-winning novelist Mario Vargas Llosa and Josep Borrell, former president of the European parliament.
Societat Civil Catalana said more than 1 million people had taken part, but Barcelona police put the turnout at 350,000.

I suspect there will be some back channel concessions to the Catalan government to appease them. That or some of them will start to get arrested and charged with sedition



   

[BortimusPrime]

(10-08-2017 01:47 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

I can definitely see where she probably feels bitter and needs to get laid.



Even the photographer's expression says "would not bang".

I knew the Romulans were behind this.

[budoslavic]

Leader of Catalonia asks parliament to suspend results of independence referendum

[url=https://twitter.com/polNewsInfinity/status/917902682685362176][/url]

[John Michael Kane]

Looks like Clinton supporters at the Javitz Center earlier in the evening of election night, then after, once the results start rolling in.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(10-10-2017 08:47 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Leader of Catalonia asks parliament to suspend results of independence referendum

[url=https://twitter.com/polNewsInfinity/status/917902682685362176][/url]

This is funny, though they clearly said that no matter the vote, they would not accept it.

Also - if they ever became feminist socialist Stalinist state then this would come only shortly before the Islamists would take over from them.

[Mekorig]

8 fricking seconds.....8! Puigdemont is a fucking joke.......i hope Rajoy apply the 155 on their collective asses. Or better, accuse them of sedition.

[The Beast1]

European socialist politicians are all spineless wimps.

They just whip up their constituents into a frenzy and then abandon them, ever single time. It's good to know not even they take these idiots seriously.

[Mekorig]

Rajoy is showing too much clemency. The Catacucks have time until next Monday to clarify if they declared independency or not, and until the 19th to ratify their desition. Only aceptable answers are YES or NO. If by the 19th there is no answer or the answer is YES, he will put the article 155 in action. And that means bye bye Cataluñan autonomy.

[nomadbrah]

(10-11-2017 10:33 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

European socialist politicians are all spineless wimps.

They just whip up their constituents into a frenzy and then abandon them, ever single time. It's good to know not even they take these idiots seriously.

Bernie would have folded even faster.

[Traktor]

(10-11-2017 10:33 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

European socialist politicians are all spineless wimps.

They just whip up their constituents into a frenzy and then abandon them, ever single time. It's good to know not even they take these idiots seriously.

They are too middle class. Do you really think that the Starbucks drinking, pinko liberals would actually pick up a rifle and fight?

It's not the Shia of Lebanon or Northern Irish Catholics who are on the lowest rung of the socio-economic ladder and have nothing to lose, we are talking about here. We are talking about Western European cosmopolitan, bourgeoisie. They don't fight.

The slum and ghetto dwellers in Beirut and Belfast will.

[Samseau]

(10-12-2017 11:35 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 10:33 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

European socialist politicians are all spineless wimps.

They just whip up their constituents into a frenzy and then abandon them, ever single time. It's good to know not even they take these idiots seriously.

Bernie would have folded even faster.

ftfy

[Quintus Curtius]

I'm happy for Spain that it drew a line in the sand to separatists who wanted to fragment and destroy the nation. Contrary to what some people have been saying, the central government in Madrid did exactly what it was supposed to do: protect the integrity of the nation and the authority of the state from the centrifugal forces of separatism, treason, and secession.

It was deftly handled.

1. Madrid allows the party-revellers to play around in their little sandbox and have their little symbolic referendum.

2. The Spanish crown (the king himself) makes a strong statement in support of national unity. He let it be known that no one will be permitted to destroy or fragment the integrity of Spain. This was exactly what needed to be said.

3. Catalans raise the ante by threatening to declare independence unilaterally.

4. Behind the scenes, Madrid makes two smart political moves: it warns the EU to mind its own damn business. This is not Yugoslavia 1990. Second, Madrid puts the army on alert, as well as the special forces. Catalan "leadership" element is warned that any attempt to secede will result in armed intervention.

5. Catalan secessionists back down.

If they had tried to declare independence, the correct move from Madrid at that point would have been to fast-rope or insert special forces commandos to arrest immediately the leadership element of the separatists. If demonstrations or strikes resulted, then you declare martial law, dissolve the parliament, and rule by decree until order is established. Without a muscular response to secession, you risk putting the whole nation in jeopardy.

The message from Madrid was clear: we will allow limited autonomy within the Spanish state, but never full-blown independence.

Well done.

Long live Spain.

.

[scrambled]

Quote:

Puigdemont declara la independencia catalana los lunes, miércoles y viernes. —Sobre el domingo aún no hay consenso

Spanish Onion…



Esta mañana el Govern catalán presidido por Puigdemont ha aprobado un decreto por el cuál Cataluña pasará a ser independiente los lunes, miércoles y jueves. Los martes, jueves y sábado seguirán formando parte de España.

[Extinguished Light]

(10-09-2017 02:50 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:41 AM)fokker Wrote:  

^ It'd be better off for all of North America if California secedes. The AIDS risk will go down too.

Please, someone, send a rescue mission first. Save me from these phaggots before you let the state drift into the Pacific Ocean.

Good grief, I can't wait to move out of here for good.

Best solution is for California to separate, then to immediately invade it and purge it.

[Traktor]

(10-12-2017 03:16 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

I'm happy for Spain that it drew a line in the sand to separatists who wanted to fragment and destroy the nation. Contrary to what some people have been saying, the central government in Madrid did exactly what it was supposed to do: protect the integrity of the nation and the authority of the state from the centrifugal forces of separatism, treason, and secession.

It was deftly handled.

1. Madrid allows the party-revellers to play around in their little sandbox and have their little symbolic referendum.

2. The Spanish crown (the king himself) makes a strong statement in support of national unity. He let it be known that no one will be permitted to destroy or fragment the integrity of Spain. This was exactly what needed to be said.

3. Catalans raise the ante by threatening to declare independence unilaterally.

4. Behind the scenes, Madrid makes two smart political moves: it warns the EU to mind its own damn business. This is not Yugoslavia 1990. Second, Madrid puts the army on alert, as well as the special forces. Catalan "leadership" element is warned that any attempt to secede will result in armed intervention.

5. Catalan secessionists back down.

If they had tried to declare independence, the correct move from Madrid at that point would have been to fast-rope or insert special forces commandos to arrest immediately the leadership element of the separatists. If demonstrations or strikes resulted, then you declare martial law, dissolve the parliament, and rule by decree until order is established. Without a muscular response to secession, you risk putting the whole nation in jeopardy.

The message from Madrid was clear: we will allow limited autonomy within the Spanish state, but never full-blown independence.

Well done.

Long live Spain.

.

Spain in 2017 is not what Tito's Yugoslavia was in 1991. Rajoy knows that Madrid does not have any geo-political enemies, unlike Milosevic and the Serbs (the gatekeepers of Yugoslavia) who found themselves friendless in a very hostile neighbourhood practically overnight.

Geopolitics rules.

[911]

I agree with the spirit of your post above Quintus, but I don't think the Spanish government handled it well, they've stoked the separatist flame really badly. That's a dynamic we in Canada understand, you don't give separatists the satisfaction of making their people feel dominated.

[PapayaTapper]

Looks like the central government is playing hardball and even arrested a couple of the separatist leaders for sedition. (as I predicted)

Quote:

(CNN)The Spanish government said Thursday it would begin the process to impose direct rule on Catalonia in an unprecedented move to crush the region's independence bid.

In a statement from Madrid, the government of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said it would invoke Article 155 of the constitution, a provision that allows the central government to suspend the autonomy of the Catalan regional administration.
Rajoy's Cabinet will meet on Saturday to agree measures to "restore the constitutional order" in Catalonia, where a banned referendum on independence took place earlier this month. The plan will then be put before the Senate, where Rajoy's Popular Party has a majority, for approval.
The statement did not spell out what steps would be taken under Article 155, but the provision gives Madrid the power to take over the running of Catalan institutions and force new elections. It has never been invoked before.

The announcement came minutes after Catalan President Carles Puigdemont threatened that the region could formally declare independence if the Spanish government did not engage in dialogue.
close dialog


Puigdemont also demanded Spain end its "repression" of Catalan separatist leaders, in a letter sent shortly before a Madrid-imposed deadline for the region to drop its independence bid. Two leaders of the Catalan independence movement were taken into custody on suspicion of sedition earlier this week.
Puigdemont: Madrid 'avoiding dialogue'
Puigdemont had already failed to meet an earlier deadline to clarify whether his administration had officially declared independence from Spain.
Catalonia: What you need to know

Catalonia: What you need to know 01:10
"Despite all our efforts and our will for dialogue, the fact that your only answer is canceling our autonomy indicates that that you do not understand the problem and do not wish to talk," Puigdemont wrote Thursday.
If Madrid "persists in blocking dialogue and the repression continues," the Catalan parliament reserved the right to formalize a declaration of independence that was suspended on October 10, he said.
At that session, Puigdemont said that Catalonia had "earned the right" to become an independent republic in its October 1 independence referendum, which was banned by Spain's Constitutional Court. But he suspended the effects of the declaration to allow for talks.
More than 2.25 million people turned out to cast their ballot in the referendum, with the regional government reporting that 90% of voters were in favor of a split from Madrid. But the turnout was low -- around 43% of the voter roll -- which Catalan officials blamed on the central government's efforts to stop the vote.
Violent scenes unfolded as national police sought to prevent people from casting their ballots, leaving hundreds of people injured.
Divisions exposed
The Spanish government opened sedition investigations into two Catalan separatist leaders, Jordi Sanchez and Jordi Cuixart, and the head of the Catalan police force, Josep Lluís Trapero.
Catalan leader: We want to negotiate

Catalan leader: We want to negotiate 00:52
Sanchez and Cuixart were taken into custody earlier this week, while Trapero's passport was confiscated.
Spain's prosecutor's office alleges that Sanchez and Cuixart were not only responsible for demonstrations held on September 20 and 21, but also key in planning the October 1 referendum on independence.
The crisis has caused widespread uncertainty in Catalonia, a wealthy region in Spain's northeast, and prompted some companies to move their legal headquarters to other parts of Spain.
It has also exposed deep divisions between those who back the separatist movement and those who wish to remain part of Spain. Many people from both sides have taken to the streets to make their views heard.
Support for Madrid
Rajoy traveled to Brussels later Thursday for an EU leaders' meeting.
EU leaders have backed the Madrid government's opposition to Catalan independence and its assertion that the unfolding crisis is an internal matter for Spain.
"We are monitoring the situation very closely and support the position of the Spanish government which is also a cross-party position," German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters as she arrived in Brussels.
"Of course this is concerning and we hope there are solutions here which are based on the Spanish constitution."

[PapayaTapper]

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