Quote: (09-20-2017 08:18 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Quote: (09-20-2017 07:52 AM)Suits Wrote:
Quote: (09-20-2017 03:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
I find that people tend to judge these events based more on their fears of police violence overall rather than based on the specific event in question.
If I were the chief of the world police then every squad car would have a pump action shottie with a laser sight. First in the mag tube would be a beanbag round. The next would be a rubber slug. After that it would be deer slugs until the hammer dropped on an empty chamber.
I guess I misjudged your competency when it came to firearms. A plan like this makes sense until you account for the human factor.
Sooner or later, some fuck head is going to forget to load the shells in the right order and someone is going to die before their time.
There's a reason why less lethal shotguns only come in a specific colour and are physically incompatible with lethal rounds.
Another fun fact is that police are actually safer (statistically) if they are alone in their squad car. When cops ride doubled up they are more likely to rush into deadly situations whereas when they have to wait for backup, they have a chance to cool their heads and tend to come out alive more often.
Sure, it goes again commonly held assumptions, but common assumptions often get people killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_bag_round
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The bean bag round consists of a small fabric “pillow” filled with #9 lead shot weighing about 40 grams (1.4 oz). It is fired from a normal 12-gauge shotgun.
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I guess I misjudged your competency when it came to firearms. A plan like this makes sense until you account for the human factor.
Plenty of people kill themselves with guns by accident. By your logic cops shouldn't have guns because they're just too dangerous. Why some fucking idiot specifically unloading the gun and then reloading it in the wrong order somehow reflects on my personal competency is beyond me.
Pardon the pun, Suits, but guns seems to trigger you. Take a deep breath.
The gun gets loaded by the armourer (but not chambered) who then affixes a breakable seal on the pump, much in the same way a break-glass alarm is used. It's not rocket science.
No one said that beanbag rounds cannot be fired from an ordinary shotgun. What I wrote was that less than specially designed lethal shotguns do not accept regular shotgun rounds.
This is because you'd be tempting fate by mixing rounds lethal and less than lethal rounds in a standard issue police shotgun.
Since law enforcement seems to be an interest of yours, I'll provide the following tutorial.
Here's what a typical less than lethal shotgun looks like:
Note the bright green furniture. It's no accident. The weapon is designed to make it as difficult as humanly possible for a police officer to forget which firearm they are holding. Simply affixing a breakable seal to a firearm doesn't remove the possibility of human error. It won't correct the risk of an officer in a high stress encounter accidently squeezing the trigger three times instead of two. It won't doesn't account for the fact that the same officers who you are attempting to train to use a shotgun loaded with different rounds also train to fire handguns (and possibly rifles) that aren't loaded with mixed rounds.
Since fire-fights are not currently a daily activity for police officers, it's best to expect that mistakes can and will be made when law enforcement does end up in a lethal encounter and plan accordingly.
While it's bad juu-juu to refer to any encounter with the public as routine, many aspects of law enforcement work do become routine, as they are repeated literally every day.
Guns are sometimes loaded by people who got two hours of sleep the night before because the kids were sick or by morons who were out drinking till 4 AM.
The best way to prepare for a high stress situation is to reduce the possible complications that can occur in such a situation, not increase them.
Your idea increases the number of things that could go wrong, so the thinking is simply in the wrong direction.
There's nothing wrong with thinking creatively, but sometimes it's just best to leave police work to the professionals.
Mixing ammunitions types in a load out is a terrible gun safety practice. Don't do it.