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08-09-2017, 10:59 AM
Some of the confusion here is due to conflating two terms, "average" and "middle class," which are not really the same. On the contrary, understanding the difference is the key to understanding the difference between rich and poor countries. Let's simplify and call it 80/20: in Australia and other rich countries, 20 percent of the people are poor while 80 percent are middle or upper class. In poor countries, on the other hand, 80 percent are poor and 20 percent are middle or upper class. So, being middle class in Colombia can be quite similar to being middle class in Australia, but it's reserved for a much smaller proportion of the population. The "average" person, on the other hand, is far worse off.
Research shows that the happiest countries (virtually tied) are Norway, Denmark, Iceland and Switzerland. Those are rich countries with a pietistic or Calvinistic heritage that entails a strong work ethic, thrift, and an obligation to be happy about one's lot in life, even if religious belief as such has fallen by the wayside.
I understand where OP is coming from, because I have been an office drone before and know it is a soul-sucking experience. Still, it's not the same as spending 12 hours a day in a rock quarry in 100 degree heat. And it's true, people in poor countries often have a more active social life, for better or worse - in many cases it is the only way to ensure survival.
I would agree that being a member of the elite in a poor country is far better than in a Western country. As a politician, for example, you can enrich yourself by shameless corruption, live in a mansion with countless servants, and have as many mistresses and baby mamas as you want - in general, live a completely baller life and do whatever the fuck you want without any kind of repercussions. Meanwhile, politicians in the West are mostly glorified bureaucrats.
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08-09-2017, 11:04 AM
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They are happy because of them [poverty circumstances] (unless it's excessive).
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You'll often see poor filipinos smiling.
Already addressed. This is a meaningless point. People in almost all circumstances make the best of their lives, enjoying what they can. Especially if they know no different and have no choice.
People in poverty being able to be happy and enjoy life the best they can does not mean poverty has enabled the happiness, clearly.
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08-09-2017, 11:26 AM
Sounds like this thread isn't going in the direction Australia Sucks hoped for...
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08-09-2017, 11:38 AM
Iso from what she told me her experienced employees (without much/any qualifications) were getting something like $1000 USD per month (pre-tax). I remember going on a date with (different girl) a girl in her 30s in Cusco and she said she was making $2000 - $2500 USD per month as a physiotherapist at a private hospital (she could have been bullshitting for all I know). I think for jobs where you have some useful qualifications or skills $1000+ per month is more normal. I think the average figure is low because lots of people work unskilled/entry level jobs. Of course I am no expect on Peru or the Peruvian economy and did not spend enough time there so I could be wrong and take what I say with a grain of salt.
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08-09-2017, 11:57 AM
Hi there Australia sucks.
1."a lot of them seemed to be walking around with hot feminine girlfriends despite being ugly broke losers."
Where did you see this? I have lots of decently looking colombian friends who've been in LTRs for 5-7 years because they have a really tough time with women (they don't have game).The first thing a girl always asks to me when I approach either via online/night game in colombia is where do I work and where do I live at. Colombianas are not snowflakes. They are not. And in bogota, they are getting fatter, maybe not to first world standards, but they are slowly doing it.
2."They probably had a way bigger social circle with more friends and probably spend more time with family also."
It depends, not all colombians are friendly.
3."They probably feel socially isolated and are also either jerking off every night or have a chubby bitchy girlfriend who treats them like garbage."
Well, I will be honest with you man, I've had a hard time with women all of my life (Except when I lived in medellín). I probably know there are some folks here who are killing it. But mostly those are guys with good jobs and alpha male traits. If you are blue pill women will treat you like shit wherever in the world you are. We may not have basements here, but there are a lot of guys into videogames and porn as shelter. I was one.
4."I am not necessarily convinced they have a worse life than the average westerner."
I agree, I used to hate colombia with all of my heart. This forum and the whole ROK taught me there is a lot of this part of the world that I should be proud of. I've come to appreciate little things like dancing, partying, friendships and some colombian girls. I used to be a member of the stormfront forum, now I couldn't care less about that. Unfortunately, I'm planning to leave soon since I don't have a future here, and will never miss not having opportunities.
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08-09-2017, 12:19 PM
Lonewolf:
1) No offense dude I could count on hand the number of good looking guys (no homo) I saw in Colombia. For the most part young guys in Bogota that I saw had a hipster/faggot look and were skinny and weak. The girls were mostly attractive (I was in the nice parts of Bogota as opposed to the slum parts were the ugly girls must congregate). Cartagena for example had a lot of athletic young black guys but they had terrible fashion sense and ridiculous haircuts. Overall in Colombia it was very rare for me to see a guy with a handsome face (no homo). The black girls in Cartagena's old town were hot as fuck (they would not give me the time of day though). In my mind most Colombian guys I saw on the street with their girlfriends were dating up. Maybe my perceptions are warped coming from Australia.
2) Okay.
3) I had at least 3 or 4 cute girls in Bogota that seemed really interested in dating me (from day-game) and I was only there for a week. From memory I only did a few dozen approaches in Bogota. My game is not that good, my Spanish is really basic, I am average looking and I am not rich. I would not say that I am especially alpha either. Quite possibly it could just be the magic of exotic/foreigner value that I experienced.
4) Lonewolf I respect your ambition maybe if you make it to the west after you have stacked enough cash you will come back and live as a king in Colombia. Keep your chin up and keep us up to date on your success. I am sure you will do well.
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08-09-2017, 12:37 PM
AS, here's your challenge:
Fly to Medellin with $5000 kangaroo bucks in your pocket and start a new life. Find a place and try to get a job as a local.
To be blunt, you wouldn't last a month before you dip into your Australian savings and cry uncle.
You're unhappy being an anglosphere drone, then fucking do something about it. Either put up or shut up.
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08-09-2017, 12:41 PM
The Beast I am stacking cash and serving out the remainder of my sentence. I hope to be out of the Anglosphere within the next 3-5 years. Patience is a virtue.
Also as I said before, attacking me does not add to the discussion.
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08-09-2017, 01:09 PM
I plan to be out of the anglo-sphere full time and location independent within 3-5 years (fingers crossed).
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08-09-2017, 01:53 PM
I see what OP was trying to say and the debate he was trying to spark, though I think how it was worded and the general tone of it was not perfect.
I live in Britain, a country with many problems that have been well discussed on this forum, problems which I don't need to go into. However, I am well aware how lucky and blessed I am to live here. Everyday I wake up in good health, I eat four meals a day, I have a roof over my head, I can walk anywhere in the area I live at night and not have to worry about being stabbed, I have clean water to drink, no gang or militia is going to kick down my door and murder me. Financially, I have a lot of opportunities to better myself and to advance, I don't live under a corrupt government that is going to try and screw me over at any moment, I hold the passport of a nationality and speak the language of a country that still has clout in the world.
For a guy living in a developing country, a lot of the above does not apply. While he can better himself, it will be much, much more difficult for him to attain and the mental cycle of poverty, corruption, whatever will have a big baring on him, not to mention a layer of mass corruption within the state that will try and screw him over at every corner.
The thing is, being in the country I am. I am able to change the course of my life with ease, it's all down to me, no one else. The barriers in my way are tiny in comparison to that which most people around the world face.
Honestly, sometimes I'll look at the tap in the kitchen and shake my head and think of how lucky I am to have access to clean drinking water, not have to worry about some parasite or disease. What a time to be alive! The world is literally your oyster!
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08-09-2017, 03:58 PM
Guys Guys...
So much attacking the player not the ball in this thread. Also missing the point of the thread to chew out AS.
When I saw this thread, it got me excited because I wanted to talk about something that has amazed and confused me for a few decades.
Why is it that this Thai boat skipper, who earns fuck all and sleeps on a grass mat in a grass hut is about 7 times happier than the average Aussie (who apparently earns $200K a year in a mining fifo job... lol)
I always thought being brought up in the "lucky country" was a gold pass to happiness, yet when I go to Thailand I can measurably see sustained, consistent massive levels of higher happiness in people that just shouldn't be happy by our objective western standards!
One question I always ask a Thai (in Thai) is "why you so happy" when I catch them making a joke, and smiling so hard it hurts. I love their answers, but I still find the whole thing a mystery.
It's a shame this thread turned into a witch hunt of AS instead of exploring this theme...
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08-09-2017, 04:48 PM
OK, I'll bite:
Do guys in a third world shithole have it better? absolutely not. I'd even make the argument about USA lifestyle being overall better than a second world pussy paradise like Russia or Ukraine. Plenty of corruption, broken infrastructure and crime in those places. It's just not safe. Yes the women are thin, feminine and much hotter than in the USA, but if you are risking getting robbed or killed because of crime all the time, it's not worth it.
The great irony is that we have anti police organizations like BLM protesting the poor behavior of cops in the USA. Try the cops in Mexico or Russia or SEA, or what have you. We are very lucky to be living in the USA, make the most of your options, enjoy your time here.
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08-09-2017, 05:03 PM
Quote: (08-09-2017 03:58 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:
Why is it that this Thai boat skipper, who earns fuck all and sleeps on a grass mat in a grass hut is about 7 times happier than the average Aussie (who apparently earns $200K a year in a mining fifo job... lol)
Why
wouldn't the Thai fisherman be happy? What else does he know, and what else is possible for him?
What does his acceptance and enjoyment with his lot, with his only real option, have to do with what would be fulfilling for a man like you or what would be objectively better circumstances?
Do you want to live on a grass mat and make $12/day?
Why or why not?
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