[Sidney Crosby]

This is almost like a Johnbozz thread.

[Corollary]

(08-09-2017 12:55 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Word to the wise, AS.

When you use terms like "anglosphere drones" my mind's eye immediately assembles an image of you that looks like this:



Using terms like that leaves the reader with an unerring assumption that you have an incredibly high opinion of yourself even though based on what you've written on the forum so far it's difficult to escape the sense that you're frankly little different from all these "drones" you speak of, who you somehow assume lead lesser lives than you.

You really have a penchant for negativity, and honestly just seeing your user name makes me roll my eyes. You should get a gold membership, change your handle and try to look on the bright side of life a bit more often. Try opening a thread titled "10 reasons I'm super lucky to live in a safe and secure nation where I can make bank before travelling and banging exotic snatch."

As for the OP, honestly, who gives a fuck about whether "boring" people in the anglosphere are better off than "real men" in the developing world? More advice. If you're going to post threads that amount to irrelevant navel-gazing then, again,
try to make them positive. This thread would be positive it if were posted on a middle-class Columbian forum. Here it translates to "Check me out, looking down on my fellow countrymen and pontificating about what a bunch of feckless simps they are! Australiasucks, keepin' it real, yo!"

You're not an idiot. But you are a real lead balloon sometimes. Start looking for silver linings for fucks sake, or at least keep your negativity to appropriate threads.

This reads like an attempt to shut down discussion because you don't like the topic and you don't agree with the terms that were used. So far in this thread, there have been some varied and interesting responses, which is enough proof that the topic is worth discussion.

The comparison to a neckbeard looks like a personal attack, especially considering you didn't respond to a single point mentioned by the OP.

Australia Sucks may have a more negative outlook on things than most, but so what? His outlook on life isn't relevant here, and from his posts in other threads, it doesn't seem like he's disrupting the forum with negativity.

I'm all for mocking and insulting posters when they start ridiculous threads, but this thread isn't ridiculous.

[Beyond Borders]

(08-08-2017 06:47 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

After taking a 6 week vacation to Colombia earlier this year I wondered if the local guys really had that bad of a life compared to your average Joe living in an "Anglosphere" country.

Especially for guys that lived in smaller cities in Colombia, they did not have to deal with too much traffic or pollution and were eating better food (e.g. fresh unprocessed fruit and vegetables from the local market stalls, etc) than your average Anglosphere Joe. Add to this the fact that a lot of them seemed to be walking around with hot feminine girlfriends despite being ugly broke losers. They probably had a way bigger social circle with more friends and probably spend more time with family also.

Now compare this to some average guy in his 20s in the U.S.A. or Australia or England. He might have a $50,000 junior accounting or IT helpdesk, etc job which if you are in a big city does not give you much lifestyle. They probably feel socially isolated and are also either jerking off every night or have a chubby bitchy girlfriend who treats them like garbage. Not to mention the food they eat is probably mostly garbage.

I don't want to glorify the poor countries too much because obviously guys living there for the most part they do not have money and cannot afford things like out of country vacations, or nice restaurants, etc and have to deal with rampant corruption, theft, bureaucracy, etc. But when you weigh up the positives and negatives I am not necessarily convinced they have a worse life than the average westerner.

The grass is always greener on the other side right?

The first world and the developing world both have their advantages and disadvantages, obviously. I'd say that in general my friends in the developing world tend to have a steadier baseline of happiness and fulfillment, even if they don't realize it (grass is always greener, etc).

That being said, there are two things to keep in mind.

I agree that being a drone is far from the only way to go in developed nations. That's a drastically simplified, skewed notion that loads the entire question. The first world is a great place to be if you have the presence of mind to take control of your own life and emotions. In other words, all the material for a fantastic life exists in the West, but you've got to go out of your way to put it all together in a manner that fulfills you.

People who don't realize this or are unwilling to try, which is a pretty significant population, tend to have a lonely and depressed baseline, from what I can see. Unfortunately, the gravity of this cultural feature can suck down even the best of us sometimes.

Second, the developing world is a FANTASTIC place to be if you've got a relatively robust budget. All in all, I think both "worlds," so to speak, could stand to learn a lot from each other, or at the least both have a lot to teach the independent thinking man.

[Australia Sucks]

Leonard I do not think I am superior to others. That is not the impression I wanted to give others. At this stage of my life I am pretty much a lowly drone working a dead end low paying job that I hate and also struggling with game/girls. As for my looks I am nothing like the guy in your picture. I have met Dream Medicine and if you p.m. him he can confirm for you that I am very normal looking young guy.

At this stage I would hardly call myself a success. But I am slowly building up my wealth, so for me its a temporary period of my life that will eventually lead to freedom and I just see it as me living out the remainder of my metaphorical prison sentence (albeit a luxury prison) in the west before moving on to greener pastures. I want to eventually have the best of both world's a western income while living in non-western country. Yeah I might be a little on the negative side but everybody has a different personality (not everybody can be Tony Robbins) and also you do not know what my life was/is like so its difficult for you to make a value judgement.

As for your comment about me keeping my negative comments to appropriate threads with all due respect Sir I created the thread! So if you think the thread is useless you are welcome to ignore the thread. You also didn't actually address the topic of the thread.

I will relate the topic to a personal anecdote. Its slightly on a tangent because the character in the story is a girl rather than a man but it does paint a general picture. When I spent 14 weeks in Peru last year I got into a mini-relationship with a Peruvian girl towards the end. So I got to know her, her life, and her family, etc. She lived in Lima and was on the lower end of middle class. She lived with her sisters and mum in an apartment in a decent part of Lima and was earning about $1400 USD a month on average as a partner in a small business. She spoke decent English (self taught).

She would eat lunch at local cheap but tasty restaurants every day while working, would often spend time with her friends and family going on short (1-3 days) mini trips to the mountains, other cities, the jungle, etc.

She had a bunch of hobbies, and also would get invited to house parties, go out dancing with her friends, go to the beach with her friends, go to concerts with her friends, etc. She was positive, upbeat, well adjusted and generally always smiley and outgoing. She was kind and generous and was always trying to do nice things for others and looking after those around her. She seemed much happier, more caring and more well adjusted then the vast majority of soulless "thousand cock stare" girls that you see in the West. She did all this while working on her business and studying full time at the same time.

She was reasonably attractive (not a stunner though) and did have some rich boyfriends when she was younger. Okay she did not save any money and could not afford to buy a property or take long vacations but overall she seemed far happier and lead a more fulfilling life than the average Instagram hoe I meet in the west.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-09-2017 01:33 AM)Corollary Wrote:  

...

This reads like an attempt to shut down discussion because you don't like the topic and you don't agree with the terms that were used. So far in this thread, there have been some varied and interesting responses, which is enough proof that the topic is worth discussion.

The comparison to a neckbeard looks like a personal attack, especially considering you didn't respond to a single point mentioned by the OP.

Australia Sucks may have a more negative outlook on things than most, but so what? His outlook on life isn't relevant here, and from his posts in other threads, it doesn't seem like he's disrupting the forum with negativity.

I'm all for mocking and insulting posters when they start ridiculous threads, but this thread isn't ridiculous.

I'm noting what some people call a "trend". I'm also handing out advice to AS that a relevant and consequential number of people agree with, publicly or privately.

If I started an account called "America Sucks" and set to routinely bitching about America and everyone in it then by the third low-energy, unpatriotic, defeatist thread you'd be a little past "responding to the OP" too.

Case in point, I'd have been banned after the first thread.

You can cheerlead for him if you like rather than motivating him to dig himself out of this rut of self-pity (because that's exactly what this is about). At the rate he's going he'll soon wear out his welcome entirely and from that point on nobody is going to sugarcoat what they think of his attitude.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-09-2017 02:05 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

Leonard I do not think I am superior to others. That is not the impression I wanted to give others. At this stage of my life I am pretty much a lowly drone working a dead end low paying job that I hate and also struggling with game/girls.

At this stage I would hardly call myself a success. But I am slowly building up my wealth, so for me its a temporary period of my life that will eventually lead to freedom and I just see it as me living out the remainder of my metaphorical prison sentence (albeit a luxury prison) in the west before moving on to greener pastures. I want to eventually have the best of both world's a western income while living in non-western country. Yeah I might be a little on the negative side but everybody has a different personality (not everybody can be Tony Robbins) and also you do not know what my life was/is like so its difficult for you to make a value judgement.

As for your comment about me keeping my negative comments to appropriate threads with all due respect Sir I created the thread! So if you think the thread is useless you are welcome to ignore the thread. You also didn't actually address the topic of the thread.

If a picture says a thousand words then I just about have enough of your words to make a flip-book of who you are.

You aren't going to be happy no matter where you go, or with however much money you take with you. Happiness is a choice you make internally. So is unhappiness. You want dialogue about the OP? OK. Those third-worlders are happy or miserable because they choose to be. "Anglosphere drones" are happy or not happy because they choose to be.

You think that you can take a bunch of cash and move to "happy land".

But it's not going to work, because it's abundantly clear that you choose to be miserable. I read it in every sentence you post. I know because I've lived it myself. I recognise it inherently.

And so I tell you all this, not to insult or demean you, but to simply nudge you in a direction that will actually make your life better. Call it tough-dad trolling if you will. But the road you're on now will not take you where you want to go.

[Australia Sucks]

Leonard Rooshv started in part because Roosh more or less thought that America sucked (at least socially). There are plenty of early posts where Roosh is complaining about Washington DC or American women. Later when he got out of the U.S.A. for good his posts generally became more upbeat.

I think happiness is partly internal/mental and partly external. Your environment does affect your happiness, therefore I think its fallacious to say that if somebody is in an environment that actively makes them unhappy that they would not become happier moving to a different environment. Did you feel happier overall in life after you left the hustle of city living and settled into rural living? (I could be wrong but from memory you spent some time living in a city).

[GlobalMan]

(08-09-2017 02:32 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

Your environment does affect your happiness, therefore I think its fallacious to say that if somebody is in an environment that actively makes them unhappy that they would not become happier moving to a different environment.

This is both true, and a perfect example of why your initial observation in this thread is completely flawed.

You, having lived in KangarooLand, have been able to amass some amount of wealth that gives you the option of changing your environment to better suit your desires, and to change it multiple times if you want. This is not possible for the men you who you suggest "live better" than "anglo drones".

And, in AngloLand, that "drone" can wake up if he chooses to, and he can start building a life fairly quickly with possibilities that, again, Colombia droneman can only dream of.

[Dalaran1991]

Suits is correct. The Western world still afford a much better standard of living for the average man.

I'm from a developping country. Having lived in USA for 4 years and now France for 3 years, I still find that the western developed countries give you the most freedom, if freedom is the stick you use to measure "living better" by. That's why despite my recent malaise I still don't make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bathwater and says "fuck the west, let's go home".

People from the West has this illusion that developing countries are some sort of pussy paradise where men are redpilled and hardworking while women are feminine and traditional. I'll address this part later, but here's the thing: you don't get to worry about gender roles / fate of civilizations when you can barely make it in your daily life.

For ex, you have much, much higher chance of getting killed by traffic, or by some psychopath roadrager than getting offed by a terrorist. The running joke is that, no terrorist can ever attack Vietnam because the moment they try to traffick bombs/weapons here, they would have already been robbed blind!

You can forget about your grass-fed beef or healthy, organic food because literally everything is throw-away imports from China, or mass locally produced by greedy but downtrodden farmers. Everything from the most delicious streetfood to freshly boxed fish contain cancer. Government gives zero fuck to environmental protection so industrial waste are dumped in the rivers / sea areas where people are farming and growing the food you eat.

Starting a business can be both easier or harder. You must have the correct connection AND know what wheel to grease.

Now if you think the men live better, look at Russian men or most Asian men. Do they give you envy? Most live day by day and stuck in a tunnel vision of life, plagued by alcoholism and other problems. Women SEEM nicer because the culture is all about keeping face, and some places like in Ukraine they are actually "better". But are you in a position to take advantage of all that?

The rich lives much, much better here because everything is greased on money and corruption. Also people tend to leave tourists alone, even the mafia. It's bad for business if you harm the tourists. Same thing for Brazil from what I've heard. You guys also benefit from the absurd exchange rate, with 1$ = 16 000 VND. That's why people like OP think this is some sort of heaven. It's not.

You have a lot more potential to succeed in poor countries if you are the right type of guys, but you are not. As Leonard said, a lot of Western guys love to mentally masturbate and think themselves better than the average drones. Unless you have fuck you money and can disappear without paying taxes to your government or being tracked at a moment's notice, you are just an average drone.

Stay in Australia and maybe do 3-6 months every year abroad. That's usually the best setup for most guys. Or you can go do an apprenticeship with Suits.

[Ouroboros]

It's hard for anyone to answer this question objectively, and there is something of a false dichotomy between developing countries and developed countries. The differences in culture, women, economy and governance vary considerably within both the developing world and the developed, so the comparison is better made on a country-to country level. To illustrate:

Women: I would rather game in Spain or Norway than for example in India, Saudi Arabia (or almost anywhere in the Middle East), Cambodia or Samoa
Crime: parts of Latin America, the Middle East and Africa are crime-ridden, but most cities in South-East Asia are arguably safer than cities in the U.S.A.
Economy: would you rather pursue a career in a rising Asian country or a declining but still moderately wealthy European country? There are pros and cons to each, but it's not black and white. Let's not pretend New York represents the developed world and Mogadishu the developing world.
Culture: someone made the point that it is easier to make friends and maintain family connections in the developing world. This might be true in certain 'warm' cultures, like in Latin America or Southeast Asia. Is it also the case in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union? I'm not familiar enough with those cultures to say anything definitively, but they have the reputation for being even colder (in attitude) than people in the Anglosphere. Anecdotally, I've actually found Americans to be very friendly and outgoing, more so than most Europeans I've met.
Governance: in this respect the Anglosphere wins hands down. People in the developing world have to put up with levels of corruption and inefficiency that we can't begin imagine living in the first world. Certain 'developed' countries in the Mediterranean have to put up with a lot of inefficiency but not to the same extent.

It's better to compare one country to another, then weigh up the pros and cons according to your own values and priorities. And also to be cognisant of the fact that as a foreigner in a developing country you may have access to benefits that a local would not (e.g. I enjoyed Indonesia in large part because of the local girls' bule fetish and my first-world money). I do sympathise with the OP regarding the situation with women in Australia though (it really is bad, probably worse than the U.S. or Canada).
Edit: misread the title, though the comparison was between the developed world in general and the developing world, not the Anglosphere and the developing world. Still stand by the points I made though.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-09-2017 02:32 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

...Did you feel happier overall in life after you left the hustle of city living and settled into rural living? (I could be wrong but from memory you spent some time living in a city).

Initially, no. I was also living in the illusion that once I made it out I would simply become happy. And I see this play out several times a year. City couple move to the sticks and expect the stress and negativity to simply wash away. They remain miserable and in some cases become more-so for missing all the things about the city that they liked. In the end I had to make a choice to embrace this new life and enjoy it's various difficulties and struggles.

You say that there's a mix of situation and choice in being happy. Call it. What's the split and are you willing to tell me, considering everything you've posted here, that you're holding up your end of that equation?

[Spectrumwalker]

Only in the anglo world from birth are we taught that we can do, be, and accomplish anything if we have the drive and ambition. We were, are, and always have been raised with certain expectations for our lives. Key word here is expectations. And as Shakespeare wrote, "Expectations are the root of all heartaches." Expectations from from our families, a pressure cooker /keeping up with the Jones' culture, and from within our own DNA as the blood from our forefathers is screaming at us to achieve. Men who've had grand visions of success who were driven to leave behind their footprint and make the world a better place all the while benefiting their own lives. We've produced generations and generations of men who do not want to accept their lot in life. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's why almost all inventions, discoveries, and all the wealth and prosperity have consistently come from certain countries of the world. **coughUSAcough**

Zoom out past the realm of our nations. People are born with ZERO expectations for life. Caste systems aren't just relegated to India but take on different forms throughout every country. And unless people live close enough to the borders of North America, the shores of Australia, or the EU where they can make a run for it, the majority of people accept their place in society at an early age. And the acceptance of their lot in life just becomes endurance because there are no other options. Whatever echelon of the public someone is born into that's typically where they stay. Very very few have any hope of upward mobility or opportunities to expand their dreams past their capabilities. And kudos to the ones that do make it on their own. Without the help of government.

I've worked alongside indigenous campesinos in South America on several occasions. All good men. I myself have looked at them with a slight wondrous envy (at the time) and thought how it must be nice in someway to know your place in the world like they do. These are men, who, when they look in the mirror know exactly who they are and what tomorrow brings. Men who know every nook and cranny of the lands they work and are in full command of their surroundings and environment. Men whose lives are in strict accordance to their most raw biological urges and instincts. They know their purpose in life. To work and toil by the sweat of their brow. To mate, reproduce, work by the sweat of their brow some more... until...they drop dead. There is a certain peace in that. Until the industrial revolution that was how life was since the beginning of time. That's man's natural state. But yet they too are "drones". And in many ways even more so than Joe Schmoe the accountant commuting to work five days a week to sit at a desk. I can look at my watch right now, figure out what day and time it is back down there and can tell you precisely what they all are doing. Day after day, after day, after day, after day. And though I never once asked obviously, I believe I can say with fair certainty that they too have looked at me also with an envy knowing that I have the opportunity to pick up my bags and hit the road. To explore more, learn more, see more, and be more.

When you come from the most powerful and prosperous countries where you are encouraged to be all you can be, you refuse to settle. You refuse acceptance. And if you don't meet your expectations of where you had a vision of how you wanted your life to turn out; it turns to sorrow. Which then turns to questions like this being asked.

I do know where you're coming from AS. I really do. And to answer your question directly; no they are not happier. And I would go so far as to say that because now that even many of the poor even have smartphones and wifi they are even unhappier. Actually I don't like to say unhappy as I don't believe they really give it that much thought in the first place. It's more of a such is life/it is what it is attitude. But to sit and watch the world pass them from a Samsung screen with no hopes of better opportunities to "live like they do"; I'm sure it stings. That's like not eating for a week, and then having a nice cut of beef put in front of you and not being able to eat it. And opportunities and lack of hope for a better future aside, for all our faults in our respective countries...South America for instance, as much as I enjoy it... is a wreck. No one trusts each other. There is no "love thy neighbor" mentality. Families are catastrophes. Crime is a constant issue. You're never sure when the next coup is going to be. Always wondering whether or not you really own your property. I mean if a little Genie in a bottle popped out and gave the people you have in mind the opportunity to switch places with you they would take it in a millisecond. I'm sure you know this, at least I hope you do, but consider yourself blessed. Thank your lucky stars every day that out of all the places you could have born, you were born where you were born. And that you have the opportunities you have to grab life by the balls and chart your own destiny. To go off and explore new lands. To meet new and exotic women..and bang them.

(08-08-2017 06:47 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

The grass is always greener on the other side right?

To quote Pitbull in that IAmChino song "Ay mi Dios"....the grass always looks greener on the other side...until you get to the other side.

[worldwidetraveler]

(08-09-2017 02:14 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If a picture says a thousand words then I just about have enough of your words to make a flip-book of who you are.

You aren't going to be happy no matter where you go, or with however much money you take with you. Happiness is a choice you make internally. So is unhappiness. You want dialogue about the OP? OK. Those third-worlders are happy or miserable because they choose to be. "Anglosphere drones" are happy or not happy because they choose to be.

You think that you can take a bunch of cash and move to "happy land".

But it's not going to work, because it's abundantly clear that you choose to be miserable. I read it in every sentence you post. I know because I've lived it myself. I recognise it inherently.

And so I tell you all this, not to insult or demean you, but to simply nudge you in a direction that will actually make your life better. Call it tough-dad trolling if you will. But the road you're on now will not take you where you want to go.

I tend to agree with Leonard.

Honestly, this is a discussion we've had many times on this forum. It isn't anything new and Australia Suck's point of view isn't anything we haven't heard before... many times.

Every place has it's pros and cons. You won't escape to a place that is some magically perfect place.

The reason people think they find happiness in other places is because they concentrate on the good stuff while paying little attention to the bad. The reverse can be said for places they hate.


Australia Sucks:

Your name pretty much says it all...

Anyway, if you're only going to think of bad stuff, your mood is going to be shitty. You will get depressed and hope against hope that if you move you will suddenly find that happy place. Moving could change the way you think and therefore give you a more optimistic mood. The thing is, you don't need to move in order to change the way you think.

Try changing the way you think where you are at. Every morning think of a reason you are grateful. It could be family, friends, a pet, a guy punching a kangaroo, nice weather, great seafood, a walk in the park, a enemy getting bit by a funnel web spider, etc...

You shouldn't run out of things to be grateful for. If you can't think of anything, then that should prove to you the problem is you and not a place.

See how you feel after a month of this. I bet you will feel better or happier or at the very least content.

[Vladimir Poontang]

My thoughts :

- Living in a country that brings out the best in you will increase your happiness. Poorer countries seem to do this well because of the hardship / challenges involved.
- This is a very interesting thread.
- Accusing people of trolling because you disagree with them, is trolling.

[GlobalMan]

(08-09-2017 05:28 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

My thoughts :

- Living in a country that brings out the best in you will increase your happiness. Poorer countries seem to do this well because of the hardship / challenges involved

You wouldn't happen to be selling expensive getaways to a subsistence rice farm would you?

Poverty sucks balls, period. Just as there is no nobility in poverty, there is no magic in it which helps make you more authentically happy or closer to more "genuine" life. Constant hardships suck, and one should be eternally grateful for growing up in a society which has solved or eliminated most of those hardships. If one finds they are less happy under such truly amazing circumstances it is not because they have discovered some greater meaning or because relative wealth is bad or useless- it is because they are an ingrate. And that is exactly what Australia Sucks is.

[Australia Sucks]

Global Man you are again making a straw man argument I have already addressed. I did not say poverty makes people happier.

I pointed out that it is possible in some countries people who are less well off then westerners may be happier despite the disadvantage of less money because they have other social positives which offset the lack of money. Having money is merely one aspect of happiness. All factors need to be considered. I already gave the example of the Peruvian girl I met who I had a mini relationship with.

Also many posters with high rep points on this thread pointed out they have friends in developing countries are are generally happier than their friends in developed countries.

I remember I used to know this Colombian bloke living in Sydney (he is a permanent resident here). He was originally from Medellin and came to Australia some years ago with his wife and now had a young daughter here too. I remember talking to him about his life back home in Colombia and he told me that overall he had a better lifestyle there. He was an auditor with a multinational company back in Colombia and was earning something like $2000 USD pre-tax per month.

He admitted his Colombian wife is ugly (he said he married her because she is a good wife and mother) but back in Medellin he was smashing heaps of hot young girls on the side (mind you he was a below average looking guy) and had heaps of friends and was always socializing and having a good time. He said his life was harder and less fun in Australia but he was here to build up a future so his daughter could enjoy more opportunities. But pretty much he is less happy in Australia and its a sacrifice he is making for his daughters future.

[Dalaran1991]

(08-09-2017 08:42 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

I remember I used to know this Colombian bloke living in Sydney (he is a permanent resident here). He was originally from Medellin and came to Australia some years ago with his wife and now had a young daughter here too. I remember talking to him about his life back home in Colombia and he told me that overall he had a better lifestyle there. He was an auditor with a multinational company back in Colombia and was earning something like $2000 USD pre-tax per month.

He admitted his Colombian wife is ugly (he said he married her because she is a good wife and mother) but back in Medellin he was smashing heaps of hot young girls on the side (mind you he was a below average looking guy) and had heaps of friends and was always socializing and having a good time. He said his life was harder and less fun in Australia but he was here to build up a future so his daughter could enjoy more opportunities. But pretty much he is less happy in Australia and its a sacrifice he is making for his daughters future.

And you believe this guy?



Almost every third worlder I met in France or US had this "back in my country" syndrome where they make up a non-existent reality in their mind that they live much better at home and smashing pussies. Shit some Asian even give me that crap, while talking to them you know immediately they got no game.

"Let's see, I'm an 3rd-worlder who could not successfully integrate into this 1st world country. I suck at making friends and attracting girls because I keep thinking I still live in my old country and expect people to just accept me readily just as my countrymen. Oh I know! Let's tell everyone I was living a baller lifestyle at home and I'm only making the sacrifice for my family. I would appear both cooler and nobler and no one can verify the integrity of my story! In fact it would motivate some Western losers to come live in my shithole countries and free up places for me here! Brilliant!"

Look man, of course your social life is better back home because it's your home culture and you grew up there, with friends you already know. If you, as a Westerner who dont even have much friends in Western world, come to a 3rd world, you really think people would open their big arms to take you in and be showered in pussies?

Ask some local RVF Brazillians who have a good job, are better than average looking, and see if they are smashing pussies that easy. You will see immediately that the guy is full of shit or the pussies he smashes are some throwaway country girls desperate for money, who are usually semi-pro.

Even the Asians who have white god syndrome look down on the local western expats. You are in for a huge surprise if you think it's easier making friends anywhere else than your home countries. People might want to be close to you because you are probably exotic / richer / white god factor but that's like dealing with golddiggers, those are not friends.

[GlobalMan]

(08-09-2017 08:42 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

Global Man you are again making a straw man argument I have already addressed. I did not say poverty makes people happier.

My response was clearly to Vladimir Poontang's post.

Quote:

I pointed out that it is possible in some countries people who are less well off then westerners may be happier despite the disadvantage of less money because they have other social positives which offset the lack of money.

Of course it is possible. People generally make the most of whatever their lot in life is, I have already said this in this thread. That people can be happy while being poor is both true and a non-point. You are creating a "strawman" in this thread by pretending that those in the Anglosphere can't have both financial security and a happy social life.

It is a choice to be a "drone" in the USA, Canada, UK etc. Perhaps it is so deeply ingrained that it may seem like not a choice, I'll give you that, but it is a choice nonetheless.

On the other hand, the average Colombian, Thai etc does not have that choice. They have very limited opportunities compared to you, for example.

The Anglo guy can choose, at any time, to eat better, socialize more if he wants, pursue a different career or education, start a business with relative ease etc. His issues are ones that he can change with just a little bit of thought and effort, to a very high likelihood of success. He is not held back by the country he lives in or its economics.

The Colombian guy can't make his country into a land of attainable wealth and endless opportunity. His problems are ones which can't be easily solved, if they can at all.

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Also many posters with high rep points on this thread pointed out they have friends in developing countries are are generally happier than their friends in developed countries.

Pointing out rep points doesn't add anything to your point. I don't need others' perspective in order to understand something that I've been experiencing since I left the USA for Thailand at 19 years old many years ago.

As for your point, I don't know if you mean native/local friends or if you mean expats friends living in those destinations. Of course there are happy people everywhere- such a fact does not give any weight to whether it is better to grow up in relative poverty or to grow up in Australia for example. It simply shows that people make the most of what they have and get on with life enjoying what they can (except for you for some reason).

If these are expats you are talking about- well no shit it's gravy for relatively wealthy foreigner, I don't need anyone to tell me that, I've lived years in various 3rd world locations. They/we are sure as shit not living like a local, and comparing expats to being a average local is not a comparison at all obviously.

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I remember I used to know this Colombian bloke living in Sydney (he is a permanent resident here). He was originally from Medellin and came to Australia some years ago with his wife and now had a young daughter here too. I remember talking to him about his life back home in Colombia and he told me that overall he had a better lifestyle there.
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He said his life was harder and less fun in Australia but he was here to build up a future so his daughter could enjoy more opportunities. But pretty much he is less happy in Australia and its a sacrifice he is making for his daughters future.

-Of course his life was harder in Oz, he was having to work in a demanding society that rewards hard work and effort, and has exacting standards that make a country like Australia function well, as opposed to the general "manana" attitude of Colombia. Being late with everywhere, getting little actual work done, not having to (or being able to) build any wealth for the family, etc back in Medellin is definitely easier. Doing less and doing it slower can certainly be more enjoyable. That is not a surprise or a revelation, nor is it any kind of indictment on Oz.

-This may seem too convenient as a response, but it is a true story. My first girlfriend in Bogota had a brother who I never met, he left just before I met her (I did bang her in his old room though). He was cook and he desperately wanted to find a way to make a true life out of his passion, not just survival which is what Colombia had to offer him. He first traveled to Chile and worked for a time there in a hotel, but even though it's a step up economically from Colombia it's really not much better for people like him. Pay was low, advancement difficult. So, he left and went to Buenos Aires. He found more options there, but struggled with the Porteño elitist attitude toward any brown hued South Americans, and it was very unlikely he would succeed there.

He finally decided to apply to culinary school in Australia, Melbourne to be precise. He was accepted. Fortunately for him, his parents could just about afford to help him pay, and he need to work as much as was allowed to survive. But the visa that allowed him to study stipulated that he could not leave for X number of years if he wanted to qualify for permanent residency at the earliest possibility (you Aussies will know more about that, this is just from my memory of second hand info years ago). I believe it was 5 years or so that he basically couldn't leave (even if he could he couldn't afford it), and his family could never afford to go there. It was a giant sacrifice, but he made it because it was one of the only ways to fulfill his desire to be a professionl cook. And we are not talking a celebrity chef, just to make what we would consider a decent living at it. It was basically not possible for him in the whole of South America- extremely unlikely at the very least. But it was relatively straight forward for him to achieve this in Melbourne. I remember it being hard as hell for him from what my girl relayed, but at least what he wanted was now possible, and he seemed happy for that.

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AS You are talking about basically retiring in your 30's on passive income and investments, and you are wondering if perhaps your average dude in Colombia has a better life. It's F'n ridiculous.

[The Beast1]

AS, why don't you quit your job and join the Peace Corps? That way you can stop bitching about your horrible 1st world life and live a life of abject poverty while helping others build straw huts. Heck you can use it to get street cred with other soys and libtards.

[Vladimir Poontang]

(08-09-2017 06:49 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 05:28 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

My thoughts :

- Living in a country that brings out the best in you will increase your happiness. Poorer countries seem to do this well because of the hardship / challenges involved

You wouldn't happen to be selling expensive getaways to a subsistence rice farm would you?

Poverty sucks balls, period. Just as there is no nobility in poverty, there is no magic in it which helps make you more authentically happy or closer to more "genuine" life. Constant hardships suck, and one should be eternally grateful for growing up in a society which has solved or eliminated most of those hardships. If one finds they are less happy under such truly amazing circumstances it is not because they have discovered some greater meaning or because relative wealth is bad or useless- it is because they are an ingrate. And that is exactly what Australia Sucks is.

I said poorer countries. I didn't say Somalia.

[Australia Sucks]

The Beast1 if you read the opening post nowhere in that post did I talk about my own life. It was a general observation to be discussed. I did not ask for advice or talk about my own life. As people have asked questions or made comments about my life (not really the point of the thread) I answered them.

I did not start this thread to bitch about my life and nowhere did I say that I would be happier being poorer. In fact I said I am stacking cash in the west to fund my early retirement. Living in a poor country with western style income is the best of both worlds which I am trying to achieve. Now that I got that out of the way please stop derailing the thread. If you think the thread is stupid feel free to ignore it. Also no need to bring out personal insults. Completely uncalled for.

[GlobalMan]

(08-09-2017 10:10 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 06:49 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 05:28 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

My thoughts :

- Living in a country that brings out the best in you will increase your happiness. Poorer countries seem to do this well because of the hardship / challenges involved

You wouldn't happen to be selling expensive getaways to a subsistence rice farm would you?

Poverty sucks balls, period. Just as there is no nobility in poverty, there is no magic in it which helps make you more authentically happy or closer to more "genuine" life. Constant hardships suck, and one should be eternally grateful for growing up in a society which has solved or eliminated most of those hardships. If one finds they are less happy under such truly amazing circumstances it is not because they have discovered some greater meaning or because relative wealth is bad or useless- it is because they are an ingrate. And that is exactly what Australia Sucks is.

I said poorer countries. I didn't say Somalia.

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No matter the degree of poverty, whether severe or less severe, such hardships are not the/a precursor to happiness. There are billions who are happy in spite of such circumstances, to be sure, but not because of them.

[Australia Sucks]

(08-09-2017 09:57 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:42 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

Global Man you are again making a straw man argument I have already addressed. I did not say poverty makes people happier.

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AS You are talking about basically retiring in your 30's on passive income and investments, and you are wondering if perhaps your average dude in Colombia has a better life. It's F'n ridiculous.

Global Man if you read the opening post carefully I asked if the average developing country man is living better than the average Anglo-sphere drone. I never asked if they were living better than me. Why do you try and make the thread personal when it was a generalized question applied at a societal level rather than specific individuals like you or me?

Lets not forget all the western guys who get married and basically work their ass for to pay for their wife's indulgences and their kids private schools/university, etc meanwhile there wife gets fat and nags them possibly while discreetly taking alpha dick on the side before divorce raping them all the while the kids disrespect them growing up and their teenage daughter starts sucking random dick at age 13. You think guys like that have a good life?

[The Beast1]

(08-09-2017 10:16 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

The Beast1 if you read the opening post nowhere in that post did I talk about my own life. It was a general observation to be discussed. I did not ask for advice or talk about my own life. As people have asked questions or made comments about my life (not really the point of the thread) I answered them.

I did not start this thread to bitch about my life and nowhere did I say that I would be happier being poorer. In fact I said I am stacking cash in the west to fund my early retirement. Living in a poor country with western style income is the best of both worlds which I am trying to achieve. Now that I got that out of the way please stop derailing the thread. If you think the thread is stupid feel free to ignore it. Also no need to bring out personal insults. Completely uncalled for.

Between this and all of your other threads:

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Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[GlobalMan]

(08-09-2017 10:25 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

I asked if the average developing country man is living better than the average Anglo-sphere drone.

And my answer is: Definitely not, as should be clear by now, and would be clear to you if you lived in those other countries long term.

You have a romanticized view of how the average man is living in a developing country, while at the same time using overly harsh and generalized view of the Anglo mans life.

(08-09-2017 10:25 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

Lets not forget all the western guys who get married and basically work their ass for to pay for their wife's indulgences and their kids private schools/university, etc meanwhile there wife gets fat and nags them possibly while discreetly taking alpha dick on the side before divorce raping them all the while the kids disrespect them growing up and their teenage daughter starts sucking random dick at age 13. You think guys like that have a good life?

No, I don't.

Now, do you want me to set up an equivalent developing country man's nightmare-but-possible scenario?

Why are you presenting worst case scenario Anglo circumstances and comparing that to (largely imaginary) happy, poor mango juice man?

You understand nothing of the daily life of a man in Colombia, or in the rest of harsh and unforgiving Latin America.

Stop bullshitting the forum and wasting our time.